[00:00] <h3sp4wn> Trewas: The difference is - I report this to nvidia they do nothing
[00:01] <h3sp4wn> If XiG is broken I belive that they will fix it (or at least that is what they said when I enquired)
[00:03] <h3sp4wn> If you are not one of the customers Nvidia actually makes the drivers for then you are so out of luck
[00:04] <Trewas> I guess that is true for a large corporation, they don't have much reason to listen for single customers
[00:10] <Trewas> but for me, nvidia cards and drivers have so far worked fine unlike others... matrox never had working tv-out, has pitifully slow 3d, and currently has no working multi-head in xorg anymore, intel has been pretty better but some problems playing video especially with compiz where nvidia works perfectly fine
[00:10] <Trewas> and ati has always had reputation for horrible drivers (in windows and linux) so I have never seen any reason to try them :)
[00:12] <h3sp4wn> Reputations change over time (I had the original geforce DDR and the drivers were beyond terrible)
[00:15] <Trewas> sure, but ati still seems to have lots of horror stories in linux whereas for nvidia most of the whining is because the drivers are closed source
[00:16] <h3sp4wn> Trewas: fglrx was pants - I don't think the same thing applies to Windows (my brother has a high end ati and it seems alot more powerful than my similar range nvidia)
[00:18] <h3sp4wn> I think the newer version is supposed to be better but I dunno I won't get one of those ati's (The ones that work with XiG cannot be bought on a pci-e card)
[00:21] <Trewas> yep, and hopefully the ati drivers will get better if they actually get around to opensourcing them
[00:26] <h3sp4wn> Hopefully but that in itself doesn't always mean better drivers
[00:28] <Trewas> yeah I know, as I said I have been using matrox cards for a long time ;) (which have free drivers which are bad and miss many of the features the card supports)
[00:37] <underwatercow> crimsun: Are you still here?
[00:58] <underwatercow> are there any plans to make fstab work better in the future?
[00:58] <underwatercow> :-p
[02:07] <LiMaO> lol, still lots of work to do for hardy, uh? the 'about' page of alpha 1 still says it's 7.10 =P
[02:07] <Hobbsee> ....you expect differently?
[02:10] <LiMaO> Hobbsee: in no way =) i like to see how it progresses
[02:12] <hydrogen> so why did you comment on it?
[02:14] <mrsno> LiMaO im not sure if that would require a bug to be posted, but on random note i did post one to ubuntu-website for a typo the other week, it was updated inside 24hours :)
[02:15] <LiMaO> they sure are actively working on it.. better to wait a few more weeks before posting about that.. i guess they're working on more critical stuff at the moment =)
[02:15] <LiMaO> i'm pretty sure the 'about' page will be updated before the official release ;)
[05:38] <jscinoz> yay alpha :D
[07:10] <pwnguin> is there a way to show the things ubuntu-desktop suggests that aren't already installed?
[07:12] <RAOF> pwnguin: I believe there is, in synaptic.
[09:03] <gerr> hello
[09:04] <gerr> after upgraded, grub still display ubuntu 7.10
[09:05] <gerr> anyone here?
[09:07] <Hobbsee> no
[09:08] <Hobbsee> gerr: looks like no one has updated it
[09:10] <gerr> oh
[12:14] <pvandewyngaerde> my KDE dcop broke
[12:15] <Hobbsee> fix it?
[12:15] <pvandewyngaerde> i cant start my kde3 session anymore.  im now in my kde4 session
[12:16] <Toma-> try moving .kde or deleting it
[12:16] <Hobbsee> what version of dbus?
[12:17] <Hobbsee> and what happens when you run "dcopserver &" from a commadn line?
[12:21] <pvandewyngaerde> dcopserver works
[12:21] <Hobbsee> then how did your kde dcop break?
[12:23] <pvandewyngaerde> i also cannot login to consele when i press crt alt f1
[12:24] <pvandewyngaerde> mingetty processes are running
[12:24] <pvandewyngaerde> just getty
[12:51] <h3sp4wn> gerr: that is strange mine says "title     Ubuntu hardy (development branch), kernel 2.6.22-14-generic"
[13:15] <Aondo> installing aplha1 on an hp dv9000 now, seems to work very well atleast on live cd, the gutsy stable dont even start without some parameters at boot :D
[13:35] <h3sp4wn> Aondo: Is that hppa ?
[13:41] <Aondo> h3sp4wn  if that means pavilion then yes.
[13:42] <h3sp4wn> Its an architecture
[13:43] <h3sp4wn> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-hppa
[13:44] <slytherin> h3sp4wn: dv9000 looks to be a pavilion laptop which must be x86
[13:44] <Aondo> indeed
[13:45] <h3sp4wn> I was thinking of the HP Visualise 9000
[13:46] <h3sp4wn> or maybe its just HP 9000
[14:38] <bazhang_> very impressive first alpha release--have it installed without trouble--one question though: is the kmenu item (kubuntu heron) 'lost and found' a stop gap? There are something like 30 items in it.
[14:38] <Hobbsee> probably gnome items or something?
[14:39] <bazhang_> mostly system settings type things normally found in the kcontrol section--presumably waiting for the kde4 bits to be integrated.
[14:41] <Hobbsee> yeah, probably
[14:41] <Hobbsee> if they do get integrated into kde 3 menus at all
[14:42] <bazhang_> very impressed with the amount of work that has gone into this thus far--reading the mailing list for hardy-changes is quite fascinating--though my mailbox gets really clogged on Friday afternoon :}
[14:42] <bazhang_> seen your name on quite a few of those, Hobbsee :}
[14:43] <Hobbsee> hehe
[14:43] <Hobbsee> and i used to upload more, too
[14:43] <bazhang_> unreal
[14:43] <Hobbsee> i'd give out mails of blocks of 10 diffs, to upload.
[14:43] <Hobbsee> not sure they liked it :P
[14:44] <bazhang_> no second life for you--more like second second life :}
[14:44] <Hobbsee> :P
[14:57] <Aondo> only real noob "problem" i went into was with the nvidia restricted driver installation, i used the manager, but it wasnt very happy when it didnt find the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file, but going around the manager worked fine.
[15:00] <bazhang_> there is a launchpad firefox plugin that allows you to track launchpad bugs, and search ubuntu packages--presumably one could file bugs there as well; in the Gutsy repos now
[15:01] <Pici> Theres also a whole bunch on http://mycroft.mozdev.com
[15:01] <Hobbsee> it's in hardy too
[15:01] <Hobbsee> unfortunately, it doesnt work with ff3
[15:02] <bazhang_> and since the topic is Hardy Heron and X breakage, one would imagine that X breakage is almost compulsory at this point :] none on my install (yet).
[15:02] <Hobbsee> it's mostly stopped breaking
[15:02] <bazhang_> great topic though :}
[15:03] <Pici> I still have this nice AMD Testing Only watermark on my screen...
[15:39] <bardyr> hey
[15:39] <Pici> hi
[15:39] <bardyr> Im i the only one tasting that a kernel update is in the air :D
[15:39] <bardyr> or atleast linux-libc headers :
[15:40] <bardyr> !info linux-image-generic hardy
[15:40] <ubotu> linux-image-generic: Generic Linux kernel image. In component main, is optional. Version 2.6.22.14.21 (hardy), package size 24 kB, installed size 52 kB
[15:47] <Pici> @now New York
[15:47] <ubotu> Current time in America/New_York: December 03 2007, 10:47:12 - Next meeting: Server Team meeting in 1 day
[18:17] <dr_evil> is there a known-issues wiki or something like that for hardy alpha 1?
[18:31] <dr_evil> looks like ubuntu deteced my primary harddisk as sdb and thus installed grub on the wrong harddisk
[18:51] <h3sp4wn> dr_evil: You can fix that quite easily
[18:58] <dr_evil> h3sp4wn well, I think I fixed it by setting installation of bootloader to hd1
[18:59] <dr_evil> but this is a new system and the BIOS does insist that no bootable volumes are found
[19:01] <h3sp4wn> dr_evil: Did you set it to boot from hd1 in the bios ?
[19:02] <dr_evil> sure, but this BIOS sucks big time, I doubt I'll ever buy an intel board again, its not even allowed to setup memory clock options
[19:03] <dr_evil> an Intel DG33TL, the only board with embedded graphics and DVI output I could find
[19:52] <dr_evil> h3sp4wn after bios update things are looking better, I also edited grub command line and it booted successfuly
[19:59] <h3sp4wn> dr_evil: It took me a year to get a working bios for this gigabyte motherboard
[19:59] <h3sp4wn> (i.e every feature properly working)
[20:00] <h3sp4wn> So I will just replace the cpu shortly (keep the board / ram etc)
[20:01] <dr_evil> the Bios on the board was the "initial production release" from january, there have been 5 or 6 updates inbetween. but the Intel BIOS still sucks imo
[20:05] <h3sp4wn> dr_evil: Is virtualisation working ? (i.e kvm)
[20:05] <h3sp4wn> and is it stable (if it is that is all I am bothered about)
[20:05] <dr_evil> sorry I never used that, don't know how to test
[20:06] <h3sp4wn> sudo modprobe kvm-intel
[20:07] <h3sp4wn> then you can try loading hardy inside hardy
[20:08] <dr_evil> FATAL: Error inserting kvm_intel (/lib ...): operation not supported
[20:09] <h3sp4wn> It may have to be enabled in the bios - or the cpu might not support it
[20:10] <dr_evil> Q6600 and it's not disabled in the bios
[20:10] <h3sp4wn> Its specifically enabled ?
[20:10] <dr_evil> no I think there is no such setting, but wait, I'll look again
[20:11] <h3sp4wn> dr_evil: see if intel mentions it on the webpage its nice to have
[20:11] <h3sp4wn> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/KVM
[20:15] <asker> have an AMD testing use only sign in the bottom right of my screen.. does anyone know what that is? is it my video card?
[20:17] <dr_evil> "VT technology" was disabled, but the IDE/RAID/AHCI setting in the bios is misbhaving again now :/
[20:20] <h3sp4wn> asker: I don't know but it a common issue by the sounds of it
[20:20] <h3sp4wn> asker: did you check launchpad ?
[20:20] <h3sp4wn> dr_evil: You should use ahci
[20:21] <h3sp4wn> Do you need raid ?
[20:23] <dr_evil> I don't need RAID, I'm trying to use AHCI, but the bios is, errrm, strange
[20:24] <dr_evil> I wrote a AHCI driver for Haiku OS a few weeks ago, so I know what I'm doing here. however, the bios doesn't load grub when AHCI is selected
[20:25] <dr_evil> and it makes a looong pause during boot whenever I change the boot order
[20:27] <dr_evil> and bios is sooo slow anyway, this board just doesn't like me
[20:32] <dr_evil> this is insane
[20:33] <h3sp4wn> Most boards seem to be poor these days I thought intel was one of the better makes
[20:34] <dr_evil> this is the worst bios I've seen so far
[20:35] <h3sp4wn> Recent ATI/Amd ones are pants that I have
[20:35] <h3sp4wn> Or should I say the one I have
[20:35] <dr_evil> seems to only work when "Load Optimal defaults" is selected. any (correct) change, and it wont work anymore
[20:37] <dr_evil> there we go, "Load Optimal defaults", then "VT enabled", boots fast, no strange delay, and grub is loaded
[20:37] <dr_evil> but thats ide mode
[20:38] <dr_evil> (sure this is using a SATA disk)
[20:40] <dr_evil> booting again, this just took 35 minutes to setup...
[20:41] <dr_evil> modeprobe kvm-intel worked this time
[20:41] <h3sp4wn> So you can use kvm if you want
[20:42] <dr_evil> I need to configure the hardware raid now (7TB), it's unfortunate that hardy still includes the broken parted 1.7.1
[20:43] <h3sp4wn> Why do you need parted ?
[20:43] <dr_evil> to create a GPT partition table, and a single partition
[20:47] <h3sp4wn> dr_evil: with lvm2 ?
[20:47] <dr_evil> is network configuration broken? ifconfig doesn't show what I entered in "Network Settings" (and it doesn't work of cause)
[20:54] <dr_evil> h3sp4wn I never used that. It's also not installed. I successfully used gnu parted (current version) before to setup up a >2TB partition
[20:57] <dr_evil> ok I configured networking (fixed IP) from Terminal, seems like the GUI config is broken
[21:01] <h3sp4wn> dr_evil: With lvm2 you can grow and shrink partitions
[21:01] <h3sp4wn> dr_evil: and take snapshots of partitions and loads of other funky stuff that really makes sense with so much space
[21:03] <dr_evil> I really don't want to try that. I'm using a hardware raid controller (Areca ARC-1261ML) that presents the harddisks as a single scsi device. I know that parted 1.8.8 from ftp.gnu.org works, and that Ubunutu still includes stuff that doesn't work
[21:06] <h3sp4wn> dr_evil: Does the controller have nvram ?
[21:07] <h3sp4wn> Still makes sense to have a volume manager
[21:07] <h3sp4wn> dr_evil: http://blogs.sun.com/bonwick/entry/raid_z (If you don't have NVRAM or raidz (on Solaris) you have that issue)
[21:08] <dr_evil> yes it has, see http://www.areca.com.tw/products/pcie341.htm if you want more into
[21:09] <h3sp4wn> I think there is one you have anyway but nevermind (people have used volume managers since forever)
[21:10] <telexicon> Its too bad hardy alpha doesnt boot in qemu :(
[21:11] <h3sp4wn> telexicon: just qemu or kvm ?
[21:14] <telexicon> h3sp4wn, just qemu, full emulation no kqemu
[21:14] <telexicon> h3sp4wn, i keep ending up with a busybox shell
[21:14] <telexicon> i guess it cant find the cdrom once it boots
[21:15] <h3sp4wn> telexicon: Interesting strange as it has the hardy kernel afaik
[21:15] <telexicon> gutsy?
[21:21] <telexicon> ok.. ideas of what I could modprobe to make it load the cdrom?
[21:24] <h3sp4wn> yeah the gutsy kernel (or at least that is the one in the repos I never actually used the CD)
[21:27] <Raptor45> I installed the alpha 1 and have no xorg.conf, although the system runs fine... is this an issue or by design? should I run dpkg-reconf to make one?
[21:28] <h3sp4wn> Raptor45: Its by design
[21:28] <Raptor45> h3sp4wn: is there no way to get the restricted manager to go atm now? to install the nvidia driver?
[21:28] <h3sp4wn> Raptor45: You theoretically only need to add changes (although if you need to change something I think using the whole file might be easier for the time being)
[21:29] <h3sp4wn> Raptor45: No clue
[21:30] <Raptor45> anyone know the "right" way to do nvidia in hardy, then?
[21:31] <Raptor45> hmm I'll wait and see if anyone else responds, thanks h3sp4wn
[21:31] <h3sp4wn> Raptor45: Don't think there is a right way yet - install it and nvidia-xconfig should work
[21:32] <h3sp4wn> Actually there is that linking hack - I don't know
[21:32] <IdleOne> so I read on the hardy blueprints page that there is going to be a windows installer based on wubi that will install to c:\ubuntu if you choose or format and do a full install. any case where can I get this so I can test on my xp box
[21:32] <IdleOne> ?
[21:32] <h3sp4wn> IdleOne: Its unlikely it yet exists
[21:32] <telexicon> h3sp4wn, think i should report it as a bug?
[21:33] <h3sp4wn> telexicon: You could do - I think they do alot of testing on vmware so you could try it in vmware player if you wanted
[21:34] <Raptor45> h3sp4wn: so would you just recommend doing the manual nvidia install for now then?
[21:34] <telexicon> yea, i tend to want to use open source tools just because :) .. but I guess I could use vmware
[21:34] <h3sp4wn> Raptor45: I would try to use the nvidia-glx in the repos
[21:35] <h3sp4wn> Raptor45: If that didn't work - I think I would build the one from Debian Sid (as apposed to using the nvidia.com installer)
[21:36] <telexicon> h3sp4wn, it was the same in gutsy i guess.. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.22/+bug/120316
[21:36] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 120316 in linux-source-2.6.22 "gutsy install cd (alternate or desktop) will not detect cdrom within qemu" [Medium,Triaged]
[21:37] <h3sp4wn> telexicon: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.22/+bug/120316/comments/7
[21:37] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 120316 in linux-source-2.6.22 "gutsy install cd (alternate or desktop) will not detect cdrom within qemu" [Medium,Triaged]
[21:37] <IdleOne> h3sp4wn: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/installer-for-windows says there is a beta available
[21:37] <telexicon> h3sp4wn, yea i saw that :) im trying it out
[21:39] <Raptor45> h3sp4wn: nvidia-glx-new installed okay. do I have to do anything to make sure it prioritizes the nvidia driver over nv or vesa?
[21:40] <h3sp4wn> !info nvidia-kernel-source
[21:40] <ubotu> nvidia-kernel-source: NVIDIA binary kernel module source. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1:1.0.9639+2.6.22.4-14.10 (gutsy), package size 1723 kB, installed size 1820 kB
[21:40] <h3sp4wn> !info nvidia-kernel-source hardy
[21:40] <ubotu> nvidia-kernel-source: NVIDIA binary kernel module source. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1:96.43.01+2.6.22.5-14.1 (hardy), package size 1725 kB, installed size 1820 kB
[21:41] <h3sp4wn> Thats not nice - who knows what hackery it normally uses
[21:41] <Raptor45> ah, perhaps this is it "To enable the driver, run "sudo nvidia-glx-config enable"."
[21:42] <Raptor45> "Error: /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 or /var/lib/x11/XF86Config-4.md5sum
[21:42] <Raptor45> are missing from your system. Please be sure that your xserver package is
[21:42] <Raptor45> installed correctly."   seems related to the lack of an xorg.conf
[21:42] <Raptor45> oops didn't mean to spam that
[21:42] <h3sp4wn> do you have the kernel module ?
[21:43] <Raptor45> yes, modinfo nvidia returns stuff... appears to be in order
[21:43] <Raptor45> should I just restart x and see what happens?
[21:43] <h3sp4wn> Raptor45: No but remember now there is 3 nvidia.ko's
[21:44] <h3sp4wn> and the normal one I would guess is 96.43.01
[21:45] <Raptor45> brb
[21:47] <Raptor45> still seems to be using the other driver
[21:50] <Raptor45> perhaps I'll just wait for the restricted manager to get updated
[21:51] <dr_evil> do I need 854.687.744 inodes?
[21:57] <dr_evil> is it correct that I need 1 inode for every single file that is stored?
[22:06] <h3sp4wn> yes
[22:07] <dr_evil> thanks, I thought so
[22:08] <dr_evil> still 850E6 files is more than I need
[22:08] <dr_evil> reducing to 150E6, I know I will regret that someday ;)
[22:14] <h3sp4wn> You might regret not using zfs one day
[22:16] <dr_evil> sure, but I decided on ext3 now, since I'm afraid of reiser and know too little about zfs
[22:18] <dr_evil> 7TB with maxomum 150E6 files, that errmm
[22:18] <h3sp4wn> If you have a ups then xfs is pretty safe - jfs is pretty safe - ext3 is safe but not very fast
[22:19] <dr_evil> I had an ups but it turned into getting quite hot, and I removed it a few years ago
[22:19] <dr_evil> but power is very stable here in germany
[22:20] <Raptor45> dr_evil left the room (quit: power loss)
[22:20] <Raptor45> :p
[22:30] <dr_evil> h3sp4wn well it seems to work now. and hardy looks pretty good, too, except the broken network config and outdated parted. I need some sleep :)
[22:31] <h3sp4wn> dr_evil: It looks identical to gutsy to me
[22:31] <h3sp4wn> Just without most of the slowdown (as it usually is)
[22:31] <dr_evil> well I had a lot of strange issues with gutsy, and never updated it
[22:32] <dr_evil> and kept runnung edgy on my other machine
[22:32] <h3sp4wn> I did until I changed the kernel
[22:32] <choudesh> is hardy "jerky" for anyone? it seems that opens to open smoothly - but instead jerk.
[22:32] <graft> hey how come xorg 7.3 isn't in the repository?
[22:32] <h3sp4wn> !info xserver-xorg
[22:32] <ubotu> xserver-xorg: the X.Org X server. In component main, is optional. Version 1:7.2-5ubuntu13 (gutsy), package size 409 kB, installed size 1272 kB
[22:33] <h3sp4wn> !info xserver-xorg-core
[22:33] <ubotu> xserver-xorg-core: X.Org X server -- core server. In component main, is optional. Version 2:1.3.0.0.dfsg-12ubuntu8 (gutsy), package size 3591 kB, installed size 10288 kB
[22:33] <h3sp4wn> !info xserver-xorg-core hardy
[22:33] <ubotu> xserver-xorg-core: Xorg X server - core server. In component main, is optional. Version 2:1.4.1~git20071119-1ubuntu1 (hardy), package size 3983 kB, installed size 10904 kB
[22:33] <h3sp4wn> !info xserver-xorg hardy (sorry for spam)
[22:33] <ubotu> xserver-xorg: the X.Org X server. In component main, is optional. Version 1:7.3+7ubuntu2 (hardy), package size 298 kB, installed size 976 kB
[22:33] <nanonyme> sigh
[22:33] <h3sp4wn> It is ^^
[22:33] <graft> hrmrm
[22:33] <nanonyme> what are you doing and can't you seriously get that information anywhere else? ;)
[22:34] <nanonyme> you'd think there was a database of the packages...
[22:34] <graft> eh, this channel is low traffic enough
[22:35] <graft> i appreciated it, h3sp4wn :)
[22:35] <nanonyme> ah, shared information :)
[22:35] <nanonyme> fair enough then
[22:36] <nanonyme> finalbeta, aren't you here a bit early? ;)
[22:37] <graft> nanonyme: that's a typo, he meant to call himself finalberta, after the famous Canadian angler
[22:37] <finalbeta> nanonyme: no my last name is vista
[22:43] <h3sp4wn> What is this - "System restart required" WTF
[22:43] <Raptor45> what about it?
[22:43] <h3sp4wn> Shouldn't be necessary
[22:44] <h3sp4wn> except to boot a new kernel
[22:44] <Raptor45> they say that when its not strictly necessary sometimes, when its just the simplest solution I think
[22:45] <Raptor45> like display drivers for example
[22:45] <h3sp4wn> just restart X no issue with that (remove a kernel module if you need to)
[22:46] <Raptor45> to a random user "restarting X" would be unnecessarily confusing
[22:46] <Raptor45> and I guess they haven't gotten a way to handle it nicely yet
[22:46] <graft> if the thing is showing them a system restart dialog, why can't it show a restart X dialog instead?
[22:46] <Tm_T> .
[22:46] <Raptor45> don't know, probably just that no one has done it yet
[22:47] <Raptor45> not fun enough
[22:47] <Tm_T> umm, and remove kernelmodule for you? etc etc
[22:47] <h3sp4wn> Think about how much wasted time that will be (everyone needlessly rebooting)
[22:47] <Tm_T> h3sp4wn: nah
[22:48] <h3sp4wn> Tm_T: If it takes 1m and everyone running ubuntu does it then thats alot of minutes
[22:49] <h3sp4wn> Can I disable update manager easily ?
[22:49] <Tm_T> .
[22:51] <Raptor45> h3sp4wn: yeah, its in software sources
[22:53] <h3sp4wn> Raptor45: So If I turn off Check for updates then that is it ?
[22:53] <Raptor45> yes
[22:54] <h3sp4wn> Thanks - I usually mess with gconf-editor when I want to change stuff as I can never find anything :/
[22:55] <h3sp4wn> Raptor45: restricted driver manager is back unless you didn't notice
[22:55] <h3sp4wn> (well at least on the mirror I am using)
[22:56] <Raptor45> h3sp4wn: well it was in the repo, but if you try using it it complains about the lack of xorg.conf
[22:57] <h3sp4wn> Raptor45: I don't know anything about Gnome, I won't comment anything to do with it again (only ask questions)
[22:58] <h3sp4wn> 1st - how to add a run button somewhere sane (top level of applications or right mouse click ? either is ok)
[22:58] <Raptor45> hmm what do you mean?
[22:59] <Raptor45> alt-f2 does run
[23:00] <Raptor45> if you want to add an app to applications, right click on applications and hit edit menu
[23:00] <h3sp4wn> Ah that is ok - I must have pressed ctrl when I tried it 5 mins ago (Although Solaris Express does have it as a button by default)
[23:00] <Raptor45> oh okay, that's what you watned
[23:00] <h3sp4wn> Thats good enough
[23:04] <graft> what's this new KDE vesion in hardy?
[23:04] <graft> is it just to be compatible with xorg 7.3?
[23:06] <InfinityCircuit> graft: the idea is to move to kde4 in sync with the debian repos, i believe
[23:07] <pvandewyngaerde> i compile from svn
[23:08] <graft> InfinityCircuit: definitely not - i doubt kde4 will be the default in hardy
[23:08] <graft> InfinityCircuit: the version is 3.5.8 anyway
[23:10] <pvandewyngaerde> it will be the 3.5.8,  but kde 4 packages will be available
[23:11] <pvandewyngaerde> its an LTS remember
[23:24] <h3sp4wn> pvandewyngaerde: Hopefully this time it means more than last time
[23:25] <h3sp4wn> (e.g on Servers if something is supposed to be LTS it should be able to be installed on New Server hardware throughout the period)
[23:25] <pvandewyngaerde> Letst Test Somenting
[23:30] <javaJake> Hey guys
[23:30] <javaJake> I've got some complex initrd.img questions to ask
[23:30] <magnetron> !ask > javaJake
[23:30] <javaJake> I'm trying to debug a modprobe issue with a friend, and I'm editing /conf/functions' load_modules() to do it
[23:30] <javaJake> magnetron, getting to it, getting to it
[23:31] <javaJake> Now, I'm thinking of at least using sleep, or perhaps less
[23:31] <javaJake> The question is, in initrd.img's limited scope, will they work?
[23:33] <javaJake> OK, wait
[23:33] <javaJake> Answered myself...
[23:33] <javaJake> I ran "find | grep sleep" and see ./bin/sleep exists
[23:34] <javaJake> But I don't see less
[23:34] <javaJake> So I'll just have the sleep command run, have my friend write down whatever he sees, and then it can go some more, he'll write down some more, etc... fun fun fun
[23:34] <javaJake> :)
[23:35] <alex-weej> when filing bugs against hardy are we supposed to tag or subscribe something?
[23:47] <vanberge> would anyone be willing to help me take a look at WPA2?
[23:48] <vanberge> When i was running 7.10, ubuntu would connect to my wpa secured wlan
[23:48] <vanberge> since 8.04, i can only get it to connect to WEP
[23:49] <vanberge> :-(
[23:49] <vanberge> thanks in advance if anyone can help me look at it.