| h3sp4wn | Trewas: The difference is - I report this to nvidia they do nothing | 00:00 |
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| h3sp4wn | If XiG is broken I belive that they will fix it (or at least that is what they said when I enquired) | 00:01 |
| h3sp4wn | If you are not one of the customers Nvidia actually makes the drivers for then you are so out of luck | 00:03 |
| Trewas | I guess that is true for a large corporation, they don't have much reason to listen for single customers | 00:04 |
| Trewas | but for me, nvidia cards and drivers have so far worked fine unlike others... matrox never had working tv-out, has pitifully slow 3d, and currently has no working multi-head in xorg anymore, intel has been pretty better but some problems playing video especially with compiz where nvidia works perfectly fine | 00:10 |
| Trewas | and ati has always had reputation for horrible drivers (in windows and linux) so I have never seen any reason to try them :) | 00:10 |
| h3sp4wn | Reputations change over time (I had the original geforce DDR and the drivers were beyond terrible) | 00:12 |
| Trewas | sure, but ati still seems to have lots of horror stories in linux whereas for nvidia most of the whining is because the drivers are closed source | 00:15 |
| h3sp4wn | Trewas: fglrx was pants - I don't think the same thing applies to Windows (my brother has a high end ati and it seems alot more powerful than my similar range nvidia) | 00:16 |
| h3sp4wn | I think the newer version is supposed to be better but I dunno I won't get one of those ati's (The ones that work with XiG cannot be bought on a pci-e card) | 00:18 |
| Trewas | yep, and hopefully the ati drivers will get better if they actually get around to opensourcing them | 00:21 |
| h3sp4wn | Hopefully but that in itself doesn't always mean better drivers | 00:26 |
| Trewas | yeah I know, as I said I have been using matrox cards for a long time ;) (which have free drivers which are bad and miss many of the features the card supports) | 00:28 |
| underwatercow | crimsun: Are you still here? | 00:37 |
| underwatercow | are there any plans to make fstab work better in the future? | 00:58 |
| underwatercow | :-p | 00:58 |
| LiMaO | lol, still lots of work to do for hardy, uh? the 'about' page of alpha 1 still says it's 7.10 =P | 02:07 |
| Hobbsee | ....you expect differently? | 02:07 |
| LiMaO | Hobbsee: in no way =) i like to see how it progresses | 02:10 |
| hydrogen | so why did you comment on it? | 02:12 |
| mrsno | LiMaO im not sure if that would require a bug to be posted, but on random note i did post one to ubuntu-website for a typo the other week, it was updated inside 24hours :) | 02:14 |
| LiMaO | they sure are actively working on it.. better to wait a few more weeks before posting about that.. i guess they're working on more critical stuff at the moment =) | 02:15 |
| LiMaO | i'm pretty sure the 'about' page will be updated before the official release ;) | 02:15 |
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| jscinoz | yay alpha :D | 05:38 |
| pwnguin | is there a way to show the things ubuntu-desktop suggests that aren't already installed? | 07:10 |
| RAOF | pwnguin: I believe there is, in synaptic. | 07:12 |
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| gerr | hello | 09:03 |
| gerr | after upgraded, grub still display ubuntu 7.10 | 09:04 |
| gerr | anyone here? | 09:05 |
| Hobbsee | no | 09:07 |
| Hobbsee | gerr: looks like no one has updated it | 09:08 |
| gerr | oh | 09:10 |
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| pvandewyngaerde | my KDE dcop broke | 12:14 |
| Hobbsee | fix it? | 12:15 |
| pvandewyngaerde | i cant start my kde3 session anymore. im now in my kde4 session | 12:15 |
| Toma- | try moving .kde or deleting it | 12:16 |
| Hobbsee | what version of dbus? | 12:16 |
| Hobbsee | and what happens when you run "dcopserver &" from a commadn line? | 12:17 |
| pvandewyngaerde | dcopserver works | 12:21 |
| Hobbsee | then how did your kde dcop break? | 12:21 |
| pvandewyngaerde | i also cannot login to consele when i press crt alt f1 | 12:23 |
| pvandewyngaerde | mingetty processes are running | 12:24 |
| pvandewyngaerde | just getty | 12:24 |
| h3sp4wn | gerr: that is strange mine says "title Ubuntu hardy (development branch), kernel 2.6.22-14-generic" | 12:51 |
| Aondo | installing aplha1 on an hp dv9000 now, seems to work very well atleast on live cd, the gutsy stable dont even start without some parameters at boot :D | 13:15 |
| h3sp4wn | Aondo: Is that hppa ? | 13:35 |
| Aondo | h3sp4wn if that means pavilion then yes. | 13:41 |
| h3sp4wn | Its an architecture | 13:42 |
| h3sp4wn | https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-hppa | 13:43 |
| slytherin | h3sp4wn: dv9000 looks to be a pavilion laptop which must be x86 | 13:44 |
| Aondo | indeed | 13:44 |
| h3sp4wn | I was thinking of the HP Visualise 9000 | 13:45 |
| h3sp4wn | or maybe its just HP 9000 | 13:46 |
| bazhang_ | very impressive first alpha release--have it installed without trouble--one question though: is the kmenu item (kubuntu heron) 'lost and found' a stop gap? There are something like 30 items in it. | 14:38 |
| Hobbsee | probably gnome items or something? | 14:38 |
| bazhang_ | mostly system settings type things normally found in the kcontrol section--presumably waiting for the kde4 bits to be integrated. | 14:39 |
| Hobbsee | yeah, probably | 14:41 |
| Hobbsee | if they do get integrated into kde 3 menus at all | 14:41 |
| bazhang_ | very impressed with the amount of work that has gone into this thus far--reading the mailing list for hardy-changes is quite fascinating--though my mailbox gets really clogged on Friday afternoon :} | 14:42 |
| bazhang_ | seen your name on quite a few of those, Hobbsee :} | 14:42 |
| Hobbsee | hehe | 14:43 |
| Hobbsee | and i used to upload more, too | 14:43 |
| bazhang_ | unreal | 14:43 |
| Hobbsee | i'd give out mails of blocks of 10 diffs, to upload. | 14:43 |
| Hobbsee | not sure they liked it :P | 14:43 |
| bazhang_ | no second life for you--more like second second life :} | 14:44 |
| Hobbsee | :P | 14:44 |
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| Aondo | only real noob "problem" i went into was with the nvidia restricted driver installation, i used the manager, but it wasnt very happy when it didnt find the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file, but going around the manager worked fine. | 14:57 |
| bazhang_ | there is a launchpad firefox plugin that allows you to track launchpad bugs, and search ubuntu packages--presumably one could file bugs there as well; in the Gutsy repos now | 15:00 |
| Pici | Theres also a whole bunch on http://mycroft.mozdev.com | 15:01 |
| Hobbsee | it's in hardy too | 15:01 |
| Hobbsee | unfortunately, it doesnt work with ff3 | 15:01 |
| bazhang_ | and since the topic is Hardy Heron and X breakage, one would imagine that X breakage is almost compulsory at this point :] none on my install (yet). | 15:02 |
| Hobbsee | it's mostly stopped breaking | 15:02 |
| bazhang_ | great topic though :} | 15:02 |
| Pici | I still have this nice AMD Testing Only watermark on my screen... | 15:03 |
| bardyr | hey | 15:39 |
| Pici | hi | 15:39 |
| bardyr | Im i the only one tasting that a kernel update is in the air :D | 15:39 |
| bardyr | or atleast linux-libc headers : | 15:39 |
| bardyr | !info linux-image-generic hardy | 15:40 |
| ubotu | linux-image-generic: Generic Linux kernel image. In component main, is optional. Version 2.6.22.14.21 (hardy), package size 24 kB, installed size 52 kB | 15:40 |
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| Pici | @now New York | 15:47 |
| ubotu | Current time in America/New_York: December 03 2007, 10:47:12 - Next meeting: Server Team meeting in 1 day | 15:47 |
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| dr_evil | is there a known-issues wiki or something like that for hardy alpha 1? | 18:17 |
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| dr_evil | looks like ubuntu deteced my primary harddisk as sdb and thus installed grub on the wrong harddisk | 18:31 |
| h3sp4wn | dr_evil: You can fix that quite easily | 18:51 |
| dr_evil | h3sp4wn well, I think I fixed it by setting installation of bootloader to hd1 | 18:58 |
| dr_evil | but this is a new system and the BIOS does insist that no bootable volumes are found | 18:59 |
| h3sp4wn | dr_evil: Did you set it to boot from hd1 in the bios ? | 19:01 |
| dr_evil | sure, but this BIOS sucks big time, I doubt I'll ever buy an intel board again, its not even allowed to setup memory clock options | 19:02 |
| dr_evil | an Intel DG33TL, the only board with embedded graphics and DVI output I could find | 19:03 |
| dr_evil | h3sp4wn after bios update things are looking better, I also edited grub command line and it booted successfuly | 19:52 |
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| h3sp4wn | dr_evil: It took me a year to get a working bios for this gigabyte motherboard | 19:59 |
| h3sp4wn | (i.e every feature properly working) | 19:59 |
| h3sp4wn | So I will just replace the cpu shortly (keep the board / ram etc) | 20:00 |
| dr_evil | the Bios on the board was the "initial production release" from january, there have been 5 or 6 updates inbetween. but the Intel BIOS still sucks imo | 20:01 |
| h3sp4wn | dr_evil: Is virtualisation working ? (i.e kvm) | 20:05 |
| h3sp4wn | and is it stable (if it is that is all I am bothered about) | 20:05 |
| dr_evil | sorry I never used that, don't know how to test | 20:05 |
| h3sp4wn | sudo modprobe kvm-intel | 20:06 |
| h3sp4wn | then you can try loading hardy inside hardy | 20:07 |
| dr_evil | FATAL: Error inserting kvm_intel (/lib ...): operation not supported | 20:08 |
| h3sp4wn | It may have to be enabled in the bios - or the cpu might not support it | 20:09 |
| dr_evil | Q6600 and it's not disabled in the bios | 20:10 |
| h3sp4wn | Its specifically enabled ? | 20:10 |
| dr_evil | no I think there is no such setting, but wait, I'll look again | 20:10 |
| h3sp4wn | dr_evil: see if intel mentions it on the webpage its nice to have | 20:11 |
| h3sp4wn | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/KVM | 20:11 |
| asker | have an AMD testing use only sign in the bottom right of my screen.. does anyone know what that is? is it my video card? | 20:15 |
| dr_evil | "VT technology" was disabled, but the IDE/RAID/AHCI setting in the bios is misbhaving again now :/ | 20:17 |
| h3sp4wn | asker: I don't know but it a common issue by the sounds of it | 20:20 |
| h3sp4wn | asker: did you check launchpad ? | 20:20 |
| h3sp4wn | dr_evil: You should use ahci | 20:20 |
| h3sp4wn | Do you need raid ? | 20:21 |
| dr_evil | I don't need RAID, I'm trying to use AHCI, but the bios is, errrm, strange | 20:23 |
| dr_evil | I wrote a AHCI driver for Haiku OS a few weeks ago, so I know what I'm doing here. however, the bios doesn't load grub when AHCI is selected | 20:24 |
| dr_evil | and it makes a looong pause during boot whenever I change the boot order | 20:25 |
| dr_evil | and bios is sooo slow anyway, this board just doesn't like me | 20:27 |
| dr_evil | this is insane | 20:32 |
| h3sp4wn | Most boards seem to be poor these days I thought intel was one of the better makes | 20:33 |
| dr_evil | this is the worst bios I've seen so far | 20:34 |
| h3sp4wn | Recent ATI/Amd ones are pants that I have | 20:35 |
| h3sp4wn | Or should I say the one I have | 20:35 |
| dr_evil | seems to only work when "Load Optimal defaults" is selected. any (correct) change, and it wont work anymore | 20:35 |
| dr_evil | there we go, "Load Optimal defaults", then "VT enabled", boots fast, no strange delay, and grub is loaded | 20:37 |
| dr_evil | but thats ide mode | 20:37 |
| dr_evil | (sure this is using a SATA disk) | 20:38 |
| dr_evil | booting again, this just took 35 minutes to setup... | 20:40 |
| dr_evil | modeprobe kvm-intel worked this time | 20:41 |
| h3sp4wn | So you can use kvm if you want | 20:41 |
| dr_evil | I need to configure the hardware raid now (7TB), it's unfortunate that hardy still includes the broken parted 1.7.1 | 20:42 |
| h3sp4wn | Why do you need parted ? | 20:43 |
| dr_evil | to create a GPT partition table, and a single partition | 20:43 |
| h3sp4wn | dr_evil: with lvm2 ? | 20:47 |
| dr_evil | is network configuration broken? ifconfig doesn't show what I entered in "Network Settings" (and it doesn't work of cause) | 20:47 |
| dr_evil | h3sp4wn I never used that. It's also not installed. I successfully used gnu parted (current version) before to setup up a >2TB partition | 20:54 |
| dr_evil | ok I configured networking (fixed IP) from Terminal, seems like the GUI config is broken | 20:57 |
| h3sp4wn | dr_evil: With lvm2 you can grow and shrink partitions | 21:01 |
| h3sp4wn | dr_evil: and take snapshots of partitions and loads of other funky stuff that really makes sense with so much space | 21:01 |
| dr_evil | I really don't want to try that. I'm using a hardware raid controller (Areca ARC-1261ML) that presents the harddisks as a single scsi device. I know that parted 1.8.8 from ftp.gnu.org works, and that Ubunutu still includes stuff that doesn't work | 21:03 |
| h3sp4wn | dr_evil: Does the controller have nvram ? | 21:06 |
| h3sp4wn | Still makes sense to have a volume manager | 21:07 |
| h3sp4wn | dr_evil: http://blogs.sun.com/bonwick/entry/raid_z (If you don't have NVRAM or raidz (on Solaris) you have that issue) | 21:07 |
| dr_evil | yes it has, see http://www.areca.com.tw/products/pcie341.htm if you want more into | 21:08 |
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| h3sp4wn | I think there is one you have anyway but nevermind (people have used volume managers since forever) | 21:09 |
| telexicon | Its too bad hardy alpha doesnt boot in qemu :( | 21:10 |
| h3sp4wn | telexicon: just qemu or kvm ? | 21:11 |
| telexicon | h3sp4wn, just qemu, full emulation no kqemu | 21:14 |
| telexicon | h3sp4wn, i keep ending up with a busybox shell | 21:14 |
| telexicon | i guess it cant find the cdrom once it boots | 21:14 |
| h3sp4wn | telexicon: Interesting strange as it has the hardy kernel afaik | 21:15 |
| telexicon | gutsy? | 21:15 |
| telexicon | ok.. ideas of what I could modprobe to make it load the cdrom? | 21:21 |
| h3sp4wn | yeah the gutsy kernel (or at least that is the one in the repos I never actually used the CD) | 21:24 |
| Raptor45 | I installed the alpha 1 and have no xorg.conf, although the system runs fine... is this an issue or by design? should I run dpkg-reconf to make one? | 21:27 |
| h3sp4wn | Raptor45: Its by design | 21:28 |
| Raptor45 | h3sp4wn: is there no way to get the restricted manager to go atm now? to install the nvidia driver? | 21:28 |
| h3sp4wn | Raptor45: You theoretically only need to add changes (although if you need to change something I think using the whole file might be easier for the time being) | 21:28 |
| h3sp4wn | Raptor45: No clue | 21:29 |
| Raptor45 | anyone know the "right" way to do nvidia in hardy, then? | 21:30 |
| Raptor45 | hmm I'll wait and see if anyone else responds, thanks h3sp4wn | 21:31 |
| h3sp4wn | Raptor45: Don't think there is a right way yet - install it and nvidia-xconfig should work | 21:31 |
| h3sp4wn | Actually there is that linking hack - I don't know | 21:32 |
| IdleOne | so I read on the hardy blueprints page that there is going to be a windows installer based on wubi that will install to c:\ubuntu if you choose or format and do a full install. any case where can I get this so I can test on my xp box | 21:32 |
| IdleOne | ? | 21:32 |
| h3sp4wn | IdleOne: Its unlikely it yet exists | 21:32 |
| telexicon | h3sp4wn, think i should report it as a bug? | 21:32 |
| h3sp4wn | telexicon: You could do - I think they do alot of testing on vmware so you could try it in vmware player if you wanted | 21:33 |
| Raptor45 | h3sp4wn: so would you just recommend doing the manual nvidia install for now then? | 21:34 |
| telexicon | yea, i tend to want to use open source tools just because :) .. but I guess I could use vmware | 21:34 |
| h3sp4wn | Raptor45: I would try to use the nvidia-glx in the repos | 21:34 |
| h3sp4wn | Raptor45: If that didn't work - I think I would build the one from Debian Sid (as apposed to using the nvidia.com installer) | 21:35 |
| telexicon | h3sp4wn, it was the same in gutsy i guess.. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.22/+bug/120316 | 21:36 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 120316 in linux-source-2.6.22 "gutsy install cd (alternate or desktop) will not detect cdrom within qemu" [Medium,Triaged] | 21:36 |
| h3sp4wn | telexicon: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.22/+bug/120316/comments/7 | 21:37 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 120316 in linux-source-2.6.22 "gutsy install cd (alternate or desktop) will not detect cdrom within qemu" [Medium,Triaged] | 21:37 |
| IdleOne | h3sp4wn: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/installer-for-windows says there is a beta available | 21:37 |
| telexicon | h3sp4wn, yea i saw that :) im trying it out | 21:37 |
| Raptor45 | h3sp4wn: nvidia-glx-new installed okay. do I have to do anything to make sure it prioritizes the nvidia driver over nv or vesa? | 21:39 |
| h3sp4wn | !info nvidia-kernel-source | 21:40 |
| ubotu | nvidia-kernel-source: NVIDIA binary kernel module source. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1:1.0.9639+2.6.22.4-14.10 (gutsy), package size 1723 kB, installed size 1820 kB | 21:40 |
| h3sp4wn | !info nvidia-kernel-source hardy | 21:40 |
| ubotu | nvidia-kernel-source: NVIDIA binary kernel module source. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1:96.43.01+2.6.22.5-14.1 (hardy), package size 1725 kB, installed size 1820 kB | 21:40 |
| h3sp4wn | Thats not nice - who knows what hackery it normally uses | 21:41 |
| Raptor45 | ah, perhaps this is it "To enable the driver, run "sudo nvidia-glx-config enable"." | 21:41 |
| Raptor45 | "Error: /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 or /var/lib/x11/XF86Config-4.md5sum | 21:42 |
| Raptor45 | are missing from your system. Please be sure that your xserver package is | 21:42 |
| Raptor45 | installed correctly." seems related to the lack of an xorg.conf | 21:42 |
| Raptor45 | oops didn't mean to spam that | 21:42 |
| h3sp4wn | do you have the kernel module ? | 21:42 |
| Raptor45 | yes, modinfo nvidia returns stuff... appears to be in order | 21:43 |
| Raptor45 | should I just restart x and see what happens? | 21:43 |
| h3sp4wn | Raptor45: No but remember now there is 3 nvidia.ko's | 21:43 |
| h3sp4wn | and the normal one I would guess is 96.43.01 | 21:44 |
| Raptor45 | brb | 21:45 |
| Raptor45 | still seems to be using the other driver | 21:47 |
| Raptor45 | perhaps I'll just wait for the restricted manager to get updated | 21:50 |
| dr_evil | do I need 854.687.744 inodes? | 21:51 |
| dr_evil | is it correct that I need 1 inode for every single file that is stored? | 21:57 |
| h3sp4wn | yes | 22:06 |
| dr_evil | thanks, I thought so | 22:07 |
| dr_evil | still 850E6 files is more than I need | 22:08 |
| dr_evil | reducing to 150E6, I know I will regret that someday ;) | 22:08 |
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| h3sp4wn | You might regret not using zfs one day | 22:14 |
| dr_evil | sure, but I decided on ext3 now, since I'm afraid of reiser and know too little about zfs | 22:16 |
| dr_evil | 7TB with maxomum 150E6 files, that errmm | 22:18 |
| h3sp4wn | If you have a ups then xfs is pretty safe - jfs is pretty safe - ext3 is safe but not very fast | 22:18 |
| dr_evil | I had an ups but it turned into getting quite hot, and I removed it a few years ago | 22:19 |
| dr_evil | but power is very stable here in germany | 22:19 |
| Raptor45 | dr_evil left the room (quit: power loss) | 22:20 |
| Raptor45 | :p | 22:20 |
| dr_evil | h3sp4wn well it seems to work now. and hardy looks pretty good, too, except the broken network config and outdated parted. I need some sleep :) | 22:30 |
| h3sp4wn | dr_evil: It looks identical to gutsy to me | 22:31 |
| h3sp4wn | Just without most of the slowdown (as it usually is) | 22:31 |
| dr_evil | well I had a lot of strange issues with gutsy, and never updated it | 22:31 |
| dr_evil | and kept runnung edgy on my other machine | 22:32 |
| h3sp4wn | I did until I changed the kernel | 22:32 |
| choudesh | is hardy "jerky" for anyone? it seems that opens to open smoothly - but instead jerk. | 22:32 |
| graft | hey how come xorg 7.3 isn't in the repository? | 22:32 |
| h3sp4wn | !info xserver-xorg | 22:32 |
| ubotu | xserver-xorg: the X.Org X server. In component main, is optional. Version 1:7.2-5ubuntu13 (gutsy), package size 409 kB, installed size 1272 kB | 22:32 |
| h3sp4wn | !info xserver-xorg-core | 22:33 |
| ubotu | xserver-xorg-core: X.Org X server -- core server. In component main, is optional. Version 2:1.3.0.0.dfsg-12ubuntu8 (gutsy), package size 3591 kB, installed size 10288 kB | 22:33 |
| h3sp4wn | !info xserver-xorg-core hardy | 22:33 |
| ubotu | xserver-xorg-core: Xorg X server - core server. In component main, is optional. Version 2:1.4.1~git20071119-1ubuntu1 (hardy), package size 3983 kB, installed size 10904 kB | 22:33 |
| h3sp4wn | !info xserver-xorg hardy (sorry for spam) | 22:33 |
| ubotu | xserver-xorg: the X.Org X server. In component main, is optional. Version 1:7.3+7ubuntu2 (hardy), package size 298 kB, installed size 976 kB | 22:33 |
| nanonyme | sigh | 22:33 |
| h3sp4wn | It is ^^ | 22:33 |
| graft | hrmrm | 22:33 |
| nanonyme | what are you doing and can't you seriously get that information anywhere else? ;) | 22:33 |
| nanonyme | you'd think there was a database of the packages... | 22:34 |
| graft | eh, this channel is low traffic enough | 22:34 |
| graft | i appreciated it, h3sp4wn :) | 22:35 |
| nanonyme | ah, shared information :) | 22:35 |
| nanonyme | fair enough then | 22:35 |
| nanonyme | finalbeta, aren't you here a bit early? ;) | 22:36 |
| graft | nanonyme: that's a typo, he meant to call himself finalberta, after the famous Canadian angler | 22:37 |
| finalbeta | nanonyme: no my last name is vista | 22:37 |
| h3sp4wn | What is this - "System restart required" WTF | 22:43 |
| Raptor45 | what about it? | 22:43 |
| h3sp4wn | Shouldn't be necessary | 22:43 |
| h3sp4wn | except to boot a new kernel | 22:44 |
| Raptor45 | they say that when its not strictly necessary sometimes, when its just the simplest solution I think | 22:44 |
| Raptor45 | like display drivers for example | 22:45 |
| h3sp4wn | just restart X no issue with that (remove a kernel module if you need to) | 22:45 |
| Raptor45 | to a random user "restarting X" would be unnecessarily confusing | 22:46 |
| Raptor45 | and I guess they haven't gotten a way to handle it nicely yet | 22:46 |
| graft | if the thing is showing them a system restart dialog, why can't it show a restart X dialog instead? | 22:46 |
| Tm_T | . | 22:46 |
| Raptor45 | don't know, probably just that no one has done it yet | 22:46 |
| Raptor45 | not fun enough | 22:47 |
| Tm_T | umm, and remove kernelmodule for you? etc etc | 22:47 |
| h3sp4wn | Think about how much wasted time that will be (everyone needlessly rebooting) | 22:47 |
| Tm_T | h3sp4wn: nah | 22:47 |
| h3sp4wn | Tm_T: If it takes 1m and everyone running ubuntu does it then thats alot of minutes | 22:48 |
| h3sp4wn | Can I disable update manager easily ? | 22:49 |
| Tm_T | . | 22:49 |
| Raptor45 | h3sp4wn: yeah, its in software sources | 22:51 |
| h3sp4wn | Raptor45: So If I turn off Check for updates then that is it ? | 22:53 |
| Raptor45 | yes | 22:53 |
| h3sp4wn | Thanks - I usually mess with gconf-editor when I want to change stuff as I can never find anything :/ | 22:54 |
| h3sp4wn | Raptor45: restricted driver manager is back unless you didn't notice | 22:55 |
| h3sp4wn | (well at least on the mirror I am using) | 22:55 |
| Raptor45 | h3sp4wn: well it was in the repo, but if you try using it it complains about the lack of xorg.conf | 22:56 |
| h3sp4wn | Raptor45: I don't know anything about Gnome, I won't comment anything to do with it again (only ask questions) | 22:57 |
| h3sp4wn | 1st - how to add a run button somewhere sane (top level of applications or right mouse click ? either is ok) | 22:58 |
| Raptor45 | hmm what do you mean? | 22:58 |
| Raptor45 | alt-f2 does run | 22:59 |
| Raptor45 | if you want to add an app to applications, right click on applications and hit edit menu | 23:00 |
| h3sp4wn | Ah that is ok - I must have pressed ctrl when I tried it 5 mins ago (Although Solaris Express does have it as a button by default) | 23:00 |
| Raptor45 | oh okay, that's what you watned | 23:00 |
| h3sp4wn | Thats good enough | 23:00 |
| graft | what's this new KDE vesion in hardy? | 23:04 |
| graft | is it just to be compatible with xorg 7.3? | 23:04 |
| InfinityCircuit | graft: the idea is to move to kde4 in sync with the debian repos, i believe | 23:06 |
| pvandewyngaerde | i compile from svn | 23:07 |
| graft | InfinityCircuit: definitely not - i doubt kde4 will be the default in hardy | 23:08 |
| graft | InfinityCircuit: the version is 3.5.8 anyway | 23:08 |
| pvandewyngaerde | it will be the 3.5.8, but kde 4 packages will be available | 23:10 |
| pvandewyngaerde | its an LTS remember | 23:11 |
| h3sp4wn | pvandewyngaerde: Hopefully this time it means more than last time | 23:24 |
| h3sp4wn | (e.g on Servers if something is supposed to be LTS it should be able to be installed on New Server hardware throughout the period) | 23:25 |
| pvandewyngaerde | Letst Test Somenting | 23:25 |
| javaJake | Hey guys | 23:30 |
| javaJake | I've got some complex initrd.img questions to ask | 23:30 |
| magnetron | !ask > javaJake | 23:30 |
| javaJake | I'm trying to debug a modprobe issue with a friend, and I'm editing /conf/functions' load_modules() to do it | 23:30 |
| javaJake | magnetron, getting to it, getting to it | 23:30 |
| javaJake | Now, I'm thinking of at least using sleep, or perhaps less | 23:31 |
| javaJake | The question is, in initrd.img's limited scope, will they work? | 23:31 |
| javaJake | OK, wait | 23:33 |
| javaJake | Answered myself... | 23:33 |
| javaJake | I ran "find | grep sleep" and see ./bin/sleep exists | 23:33 |
| javaJake | But I don't see less | 23:34 |
| javaJake | So I'll just have the sleep command run, have my friend write down whatever he sees, and then it can go some more, he'll write down some more, etc... fun fun fun | 23:34 |
| javaJake | :) | 23:34 |
| alex-weej | when filing bugs against hardy are we supposed to tag or subscribe something? | 23:35 |
| vanberge | would anyone be willing to help me take a look at WPA2? | 23:47 |
| vanberge | When i was running 7.10, ubuntu would connect to my wpa secured wlan | 23:48 |
| vanberge | since 8.04, i can only get it to connect to WEP | 23:48 |
| vanberge | :-( | 23:49 |
| vanberge | thanks in advance if anyone can help me look at it. | 23:49 |
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