[06:55] <nysosym> good morning
[06:57] <nysosym> I have seen the meeting log, a lot to to right?
[07:01] <nysosym> If it possible i'll made some icon mockups for future releases
[07:05] <nysosym> In my opinion, we should made a realistic ultra detailed look. Sure, you can it's maybe a "waste" of time, but i think it's incredible useful for the experience of the "main" user. I know so many people, where love to see the detail in the icons of OSX 10.5. Well the Folder icons are a kick in my balls, but the rest is truly amazing.
[08:31] <nysosym> http://img106.imageshack.us/my.php?image=historiassmessyjy8.png
[08:31] <nysosym> amazing style!
[08:41] <nysosym> These color palette could maybe match with the new ubuntu style
[08:43] <kwwii> hi nysosym
[08:43] <nysosym> hi kwwii  :)
[08:44] <nysosym> how are you?
[08:47] <kwwii> good, busy
[08:47] <kwwii> and you?
[08:48] <nysosym> ohh fine, 4 weeks holiday now, after 8 weeks of night work :-/
[08:49] <nysosym> some time for artwork now :)
[08:51] <kwwii> cool
[08:52] <nysosym> what can i do to support ubuntu? :)
[08:53] <kwwii> as always, there is a lot to do :-9
[08:53] <kwwii> as far as Hardy artwork goes, we are still collecting ideas
[08:54] <kwwii> but within a couple of days the official art direction will be announced
[08:54] <nysosym> well i have seen the log of the meeting
[08:54] <nysosym> Hardy will be the last  release with the "old" style?
[08:55] <kwwii> I am guessing so, but it is not fact yet
[08:55] <kwwii> I might be wrong
[08:56] <nysosym> sure the last word comes from mark
[08:57] <kwwii> and others
[08:58] <nysosym> is it planed to have a todo list for the artwork team, something like "New color palette, new icon design". To see what we have and what we need
[08:59] <kwwii> well, we are planning on replacing everything
[08:59] <kwwii> so the list is:
[08:59] <kwwii>  * everything
[09:00] <elkbuntu> ha
[09:00] <nysosym> hehe ok :D
[09:00] <nysosym> in these way the next (+1) ubuntu release could have completely different colors?
[09:01] <kwwii> no, no...we are going to define all that
[09:01] <kwwii> but we are looking at changing things a good bit
[09:01] <kwwii> but we will not be blue or green anytime soon
[09:02] <nysosym> ahh ok fine :)
[09:05] <nysosym> kwwii: have you seen this, what do you think about?
[09:05] <nysosym> http://img106.imageshack.us/my.php?image=historiassmessyjy8.png
[09:06] <kwwii> nysosym: erm, seems like a bit of overkill to me
[09:06] <kwwii> well done and all, but not something I would use on my desktop
[09:06] <nysosym> sure it's messy, but i love the details
[09:08] <nysosym> but really difficult to do with vektor art
[09:08] <nysosym> *vector
[09:08] <kwwii> no doubt
[09:09] <darkmatter> nysosym: lol. looks like a trashy version of a 'retro' theme I've been sketching on paper
[09:10] <nysosym> hehe trashy or not is a matter of taste :D
[09:10] <darkmatter> well. time to get back to working on narcissus
[09:11] <nysosym> narcissus?
[09:11] <darkmatter> theme I'm working on. will end up as an engine, just trying to get a pixmap-hybrid prototype done to show to the suse guys :)
[09:12] <nysosym> sounds good :)
[09:14] <darkmatter> nysosym: basically, I've been considering for some time what a modern gnome should/could look like. needs to be professional, elegant, stylish (clearlooks is more suited to the 'classic' look, ala windows) and I kinda had the funny thought that if gnome ever saw itself in a mirror, it should fall head over heels in love
[09:14] <darkmatter> thus the name narcissus
[09:14] <darkmatter> ;)
[09:15] <nysosym> yes i like these name :D
[09:17] <darkmatter> designing it to look good with tango (since tango styling is the default for gnome, suse, and others). nicely unified, inspired  (to a very small degree) by the old NLD 10 mockups and by the unification experiment I had called glory.
[09:18] <nysosym> :) is there any wip picture?
[09:18] <nysosym> a picture says more than 1000 words ;)
[09:19] <darkmatter> not yet, but there are pictures of the old novell mockups and of glory kicking about the net ;) (just started some basic work on narcissus)
[09:21] <darkmatter> nysosym: heres the old novell mockups http://www.flickr.com/photos/gamehack/sets/1506658/ and here's glory
[09:22] <darkmatter> http://www.flickr.com/photos/92826085@N00/sets/72157594488098254/ and http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Glory-Simplex?content=60326
[09:22] <darkmatter> and http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Oxygenated?content=60734
[09:23] <darkmatter> nysosym: the basis of the inspiration (minus the oxygen icons :P)
[09:24] <nysosym> yeah i know these gnome mockups, hope to see some of the ideas in gnome 3.0. Anyway keep up the good work :)
[09:24] <kwwii> good to see that kde artwork is helping gnome :-)
[09:26] <nysosym> yeah, oxygen is amazing! Something like that for ubuntu +1 :)
[09:26] <nysosym> but with a different color palette :D
[09:27] <darkmatter> kwwii: I was thinking (I'll have to see how it will look though) of unifying the titlebars and the gtk, and having a slightly concave, contrasting menubar with slightly rounded corners. h
[09:27] <nysosym> oxygen is the perfect way between details and simplicity :)
[09:28] <kwwii> we still hve a long way to go on the oxygen style and windeco, I think
[09:28] <kwwii> but there is only so long you can radically change things before release
[09:29] <nysosym> Ohh well sry, i had oxygen associated with the icons
[09:29] <darkmatter> and btw, I wan't influenced by oxygen. I just repackaged the icons after someone said they though it would look good ;)
[09:30] <darkmatter> and funnily enough it did :O
[09:31] <darkmatter> and I believe I found a solution to gtks funky-arsed progessbars
[09:34] <darkmatter> kwwii: yeah, oxygen isnt anywhere near as polished looking as the mockups yet. but thats what you get transitioning gfx t code
[09:42] <kwwii> no doubt
[09:42]  * kwwii takes a short break
[09:51] <darkmatter> hmmm.. if I do monochromatic glyphs for the toolbar icons...
[10:08] <nysosym> hi andreasn
[10:08] <andreasn> hi nysosym, what's up?
[10:09] <nysosym> i had created some fast folder concepts :D
[10:10] <nysosym> http://img227.imageshack.us/my.php?image=folderconceptsbb7.png
[10:10] <nysosym> i hope you get the idea ^^
[10:21] <lapo> hi
[10:21] <andreasn> the second on the right would probably work we
[10:21] <andreasn> hi lapo
[10:21] <andreasn> well
[10:21] <lapo> 'morning andreasn
[10:22] <nysosym> andreasn: yes this is also the one that i like the most :D
[10:22] <andreasn> or, well, it would probably be closest to what people expect
[10:24] <nysosym> about the "new" color palette, would it be better with brighter colors like the current one, or do we preffer pastel/darker ones?
[11:29] <andreasn> nysosym: sorry for the delay, had to pick up the cat at the vet
[11:30] <andreasn> nysosym: well, kwwii and Mark is going to lock themselves up in a room until they have reached a decision
[11:31] <nysosym> ahh ok fine :D
[11:31] <andreasn> but I think it was going to be in a couple of days
[11:35] <Toma-> http://members.iinet.net.au/~haste/Genpo48.png
[11:35] <Toma-> Would that pass a Tango test?
[11:37] <andreasn> Toma-: oh, cool. You should probably make the stroke a bit lighter, make a inner stroke and make the shadow less heavy
[11:38] <Toma-> cool thanks :)
[11:41] <Toma-> there an easy way to make an inner stroke in inkscape?
[11:42] <andreasn> lapo: you know a trick for this, right?
[11:42] <andreasn> I mostly copy the object and shrink it down a bit
[11:42] <Toma-> yeh but i have 5 of em :/
[11:42] <nysosym> hmmm how well does illustrator svgs works with gnome?
[11:43] <andreasn> they work, but there are some rendering differences between Illustrator and librsvg
[11:44] <andreasn> Inkscape and librsvg render pretty much the same though
[11:44] <nysosym> hmm damn, my current work machine is a mac and i couldn't check the compatibility
[11:45] <Toma-> you can run illustrator in wine i think
[11:45] <andreasn> have you managed to get inkscape to run on it? could test to open the illustrator svg in that
[11:45] <lapo> andreasn: projection or linked projection work nicelly for inner stroke
[11:46] <lapo> nysosym: you'll have to tweak the svg, it add a lot of cruft to it usually
[11:47] <nysosym> hmm ok :)
[11:47] <lapo> nysosym: anyway I work with inkscape only for ages so I don't know how are things now
 there an easy way to make an inner stroke in inkscape?
[12:35] <troy_s> Linked offset
[12:35] <Toma-> oh?
[12:35] <troy_s> I have a chrome tutorial on the blog that uses it.
[12:35] <troy_s> Works rather well and is dynamically attached to the source object.
[12:36] <troy_s> you end up with two objects and the 'bigger' one is your stroke.
[12:36] <troy_s> if i am reading you correctly.
[12:36] <Toma-> did you see the icon?
[12:36] <troy_s> Toma-: no
[12:36] <Toma-> basically need a thin trace inside the stroke
[12:37] <troy_s> try linked offset
[12:37] <Toma-> ok thanks
[12:37] <Toma-> actually, i read about that on your blog :)
[12:37] <troy_s> it is a rather elegant way to do strokes that are more dynamic and give you more control.
[12:37] <troy_s> the main issue at hand is that anything that gets complicated gets nasty when you want to make changes.
[12:38] <Toma-> http://members.iinet.net.au/~haste/Genpo48.png
[12:38] <Toma-> trying to tango-ify that
[12:39] <andreasn> you can also probably try to make the pipes slightly more rounder
[12:43] <troy_s> Toma-: Dynamic offset does the same but doesn't link to the object.
[12:43] <troy_s> Toma-: Linked keeps the object attached...
[12:44] <troy_s> Toma-: Although if you are planning direct SVG rendering, some of the SVG features aren't fully supported in libsvg -- as it appears l.apo already suggested.
[12:45] <kwwii> illustrator has a perfect offset function, it works sooo well
[12:45] <Toma-> so i cant even render it right? :S
[12:45] <troy_s> Toma-: Nope, it works pretty amazingly.
[12:45] <Toma-> oh cool then
[12:45] <troy_s> Toma-: I am just warning that not everything is equal in librsvg.
[12:46] <Toma-> ok :)
[12:46] <troy_s> Toma-: There are some features that are bogged in librsvg -- for example, draw an object and have it extend past the page dimensions.  Blur it.  The object in librsvg will blur the entire object clipped to the page where the original should only blur the edges up to the page.
[12:47] <troy_s> Toma-: Also page colour etc. doesn't have any effect in librsvg.
[12:47] <troy_s> Toma-: There are more, but those are pretty good examples of 'odd' behaviour.  I am pretty sure that librsvg is harsher with gradients on smaller sizes too.
[12:48] <Toma-> yeh ive notices a couple little sneeky render bugs
[13:34] <lapo> Toma-: nice icon, try shading the tubes with a 3 point gradient, dark-light-darker
[13:36] <Toma-> ahh yeh. thanks
[13:47] <Toma-> Ummm anyway to recover that youre working on if gimp crashes?
[13:48] <andreasn> save more often :/
[13:48] <Toma-> ...plz dont say i just lost 2 hrs worth of animation :(
[13:49] <darkmatter> weee... this is taking forever... -.-
[13:51] <andreasn> :(
[13:52] <Toma-> Biggest let down ever.
[13:53] <Toma-> why the hell doesnt gimp have crash recovery!?@?!#
[13:53] <Toma-> inkscape does, ardour does
[13:53] <Toma-> grrrrrrrrrrrrr
[13:55] <_MMA_> baby
[13:56] <darkmatter> yes sweety?
[13:57] <darkmatter> meh. why does cairo have to take so much work....
[14:03] <TheSheep> pink and teal???
[14:03] <TheSheep> I was hoping for pink and orange :(
[14:08] <darkmatter> VIOLET AND LIME
[14:08] <darkmatter> sheesh. pink is just so... metro
[14:47] <TheSheep> purple
[14:48] <TheSheep> with tiny little brown elephants
[14:58] <nysosym> ohh well the contrast of brown and pink is very nice :)
[15:00] <TheSheep> nysosym: do you want fries with that?
[15:00] <nysosym> hm?
[15:00] <TheSheep> nah, ignore me
[16:29] <DShepherd> pink and teal? what??
[16:38] <DShepherd> kwwii, pink and teal? what??
[16:38] <cleaton> i dun get it either
[16:41] <DShepherd> maybe its some joke or something
[16:43] <_MMA_> Pink n' Teal FTW!
[17:08] <Cimi> kwwii, do you know which is the command to redirect irc users from a file to another chan?
[17:08] <Cimi> as /j #ubuntu-art -> artworkl
[17:08] <Cimi> *from a chan to another
[17:28] <_MMA_> andreasn: Who did the splashscreen in GIMP 2.4.2?
[17:37] <kwwii> sorry don't know that one
[17:37] <kwwii> erm, too late as well
[17:38] <luisbg> you might find it in the credits page
[17:38] <luisbg> hey kwwii
[17:39] <luisbg> two replies to go for the art people list
[17:39] <kwwii> howdy luisbg
[17:39] <luisbg> doing good... working a little
[17:39] <kwwii> cool
[17:39] <kwwii> just make sure that wierd ubuntu-studio guy takes care of all of the work
[17:41] <kwwii> luisbg: cool, I am making my son dinner, be back a bit later and we can talk about it
[17:41] <luisbg> sure
[17:42]  * luisbg looks at _MMA_ 
[18:11] <andreasn> _MMA_: hm, I can't recall the name by heart, but jimmac might know
[18:13] <andreasn> _MMA_: Paul Davey
[18:13] <andreasn> http://gimp.org/about/splash/stable.html
[18:25] <_MMA_> andreasn: Ahh... Looks like mattahan.
[18:28] <andreasn> http://mattahan.deviantart.com/ - same dude apparently
[18:28] <_MMA_> Oh hell. Yeah. :D
[18:30] <_MMA_> I hope he used GIMP to do it.
[21:58] <nothlit> btw, recession is always nice https://people.fluxbuntu.org/~nothlit/fluxbuntu/artwork/mock_usplash.png
[22:26] <lapo_> hi
[22:26]  * _MMA_ waves.
[23:22] <DShepherd> ok
[23:23] <DShepherd> can someone tell me whats up with the pink and teal topic?
[23:26] <_MMA_> Its the new theme colors.
[23:26] <_MMA_> w00t!
[23:38] <DShepherd> _MMA_, for?
[23:38] <DShepherd> hardy?
[23:38] <_MMA_> Yep.
[23:38] <DShepherd> interesting
[23:38] <_MMA_> pink and teal=hottness.
[23:39] <DShepherd> heheh
[23:39] <DShepherd> i guess it does
[23:39] <_MMA_> Come on man. Its a joke. ;)
[23:39] <DShepherd> great!
[23:39] <DShepherd> good joke!
[23:39] <DShepherd> :-)
[23:39] <DShepherd> now..
[23:39] <DShepherd> now i can spread the love
[23:39] <DShepherd> love = joke
[23:40] <DShepherd> kwwii, you prankster you