=== vorian_ is now known as vorian [00:47] test? [00:47] trying to figure out internet connection at hotel [00:48] jjesse: 3 successful tests so far ;) [06:51] Have you all seen gOS yet? [07:56] hardy alpha1 running well out of box on everex laptop [08:21] good morning folks :) [08:25] sebastian^: hello [08:27] hey mhb === \sh_away is now known as \sh [10:21] hi [10:21] fdoving: ping ? [10:21] hi. [10:21] * Jucato waves around the room [10:21] fdoving: had time to work yesterday ? I will to do something today, so just to be sure to dupe efforts.... [10:21] hey Jucato [10:22] Tonio_: no, busy most of yesterday, no time. [10:22] fdoving: no pb ;) I'll try to do something today and will let you know [11:03] fdoving: talking about the xauthority problems, I noticed that sudo allows to preserve an env variable [11:03] fdoving: if XAUTHORITY is set, and we force sudo to preserve it, there is no need of a tweak with the -H option [11:03] fdoving: is that acceptable doing this this way or not ? [11:05] fdoving: I don't see the point playing with iceauthority vs xauthority, but I may miss something on that point [11:12] Tonio_: they kind of do different things. imagine you have user1 trying to do 'kdesudo -u user2 konuqeror' - if you only preserv the environment-variable which basicailly is the path to /home/user1/.Xauthority - user2 would not be able to read that file and it would fail. [11:13] it would work when kdesudoing to root, and it's the way it's currently done in gutsy iirc. [11:13] oki got it [11:13] the -H is primarily for the $HOME variable. [11:14] fdoving: switching to kprocess worked :) good point, now clean for the hacks done before [11:14] let me know when you have pushed to bzr. [11:14] fdoving: I know concerning the -H, but when no env is set, X looks to $HOME/.Xauthority [11:14] fdoving: that's why sudo konqueror when sudo -H konqueror doesn't [11:14] fdoving: just export your Xauthority and that's it [11:14] fdoving: sure I will [11:15] exporting can work, if your .Xauthority got the right permissions. [11:16] root can of course read everything, once you start using other users it becomes advanced. [11:16] you can of course copy your .Xauthority to some magic place and/or give it less restrictive permissions. [11:16] I've commented about it in the source somewhere. [11:16] The same problem arise when making new xauth keys. [11:16] but they timeout after some set time. [11:17] which is a good thing imo. [11:26] fdoving: can you remind me of a simple example of a problem kshellprocess might create ? [11:26] fdoving: last time you gave me an example, but I can't seem to remember in fact ;) [11:27] Tonio_: it needs properly escaped input. it's easy to trick it into executing things by naming files/directories for example. [11:27] the problem is that everything is executed with the help from /bin/sh [11:27] with kprocess it's not. [11:28] fdoving: yep, but even with kprocess I can reproduce the issue if I don't quote all args.... [11:28] fdoving: tricky isn't it ? [11:28] opening as root "konqueror:konqueror" starts konqueror as root, then as user [11:29] s/:/; [11:29] you didn't set 'setUseShell' did you ? [11:29] it needs to be false. [11:30] fdoving: nope I didn't, isn't false the default ? [11:31] should be. [11:33] what if you use KProcess:quote() ? [11:34] i need to go, back in ~30min, driving to a different house. [11:34] oki ;) === _czessi is now known as Czessi [11:52] apachelogger__ : hi [11:57] * Riddell throws bug 173882 at apachelogger__ [11:58] Launchpad bug 173882 in kopete-plugin-thinklight "changelog error" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173882 [11:58] * Hobbsee throws all but that bug at Riddell [12:00] ^^ [12:00] * Riddell starts swimming [12:01] Riddell: fix them, isntead of swimming through the [12:01] m [12:06] Tonio_: dood, this kpar2 isn't going to stick [12:06] what have archive admin said to you before? [12:10] Riddell: nothing [12:10] Riddell: got removed once by Hobbsee since I uploaded by error on ubuntu instead of revu [12:10] Riddell: now it is reviewed, archived and uploaded to ubuntu [12:10] Riddell: dunno what the problem is.... [12:11] Tonio_: it's GPL 3 [12:12] Riddell: lemme look [12:13] Riddell: COPYING mentions gpl v2 [12:13] all the source files are GPL 3 [12:14] hum, true :/ [12:14] okay I'll have to see that with upstream then :/ [12:17] thanks [12:24] Riddell: sorry for missing that..... stupid copying file.... [12:42] good afternoon, what's up? [12:43] the sky [12:43] or the ground, if you're on your head [12:43] Hobbsee dancing in and out [12:43] or the walls, if you're lying down... [12:43] I think [12:43] X borkage [12:44] awts [12:44] er..I meant ouch [12:44] well, better back to school [12:44] not much fun here :o) [12:46] fdoving: little problem here, you told me not to use a shell process, and connect to a pty [12:46] but usepty sets shellprocess to true... that's the problem :) [12:46] fdoving: http://www.mcs.vuw.ac.nz/technical/software/doc/kde/HTML/en/kdelibs-apidocs/kdecore/html/kprocess_8cpp-source.html [12:47] fdoving: look line 100 [12:51] so, I need a final session for kubuntu tutorial day [12:51] Tonio_: fancy doing the second packaging tutorial? [12:52] Riddell: may not have time today but why not yes [12:52] Riddell: when is it ? [12:52] Tonio_: thu 13th, 18:00utc [12:53] Riddell: I will be in toulouse for work [12:53] Riddell: unsure to have internet connexion :'( [12:54] ooh la la [12:54] et oui :/ [12:54] maybe mhb could take it on [12:54] Riddell: lemme look at the calendar [12:55] Riddell: yes, I'll be in the middle of a class session arround samba.... [12:55] Riddell: hard to do kubuntu at the same time :) [12:55] class session? [12:56] yep [12:57] euh...... [12:57] isn't that correct in english ? [12:57] I'm giving a samba session for 10 users [12:57] it is, I just didn't know your work included that kind of thing [12:57] "class" was bad french translation sorry :) [12:57] Riddell: yep it does [12:58] Riddell: as well as giving interviews to recruit new people and so on [12:58] meh [12:59] or maybe we should have a general getting your work into Kubuntu, intro to PPA, revu, MOTU etc [13:01] Riddell: bug 173882 is all jpatrick's fault :P [13:01] Launchpad bug 173882 in kopete-plugin-thinklight "changelog error" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173882 [13:01] apachelogger__: well he's not around to throw it at :) [13:01] * apachelogger__ is wondering what that line isn't parsable after all [13:02] Tonio_: interessting. tried without a pty then? [13:04] omm [13:04] I am out of disk spaces -.- [13:04] fdoving: works [13:04] Tonio_: great, works as we want it to? [13:04] fdoving: btw, as long as everything is quoted (I used kprocess:quote), a shellprocess might not be that a big problem [13:05] fdoving: I have the feeling that a shellprocess is used in fact [13:05] in theory it is evil even if you quote. [13:05] for such a program. [13:06] fdoving: the problem I have is that I can't seem to read the "passprompt" required to push the password [13:06] fdoving: sudo needs shell on that point [13:06] yep. [13:07] fdoving: fo the moment I'll keep the pty thing, whatever it sets, and will do the quoting correctly, then make hudge tests, and we can rediscuss this later [13:07] also I'll have a look at how does gksu work [13:07] ok. [13:08] does the usePty make it appear as it should in /var/run/sudo/$user ? [13:08] fdoving: the problem is I think that sudo interacts with the user, and for that a shell process is needed [13:08] fdoving: there's no way to use a cmdline option to push the password, that's my concern [13:09] fdoving: stop me if I'm wrong, but I don't think there is an easy solution on that point [13:09] fdoving: concerning the pty I'll test and will let you know [13:09] fdoving: also, always using the same pty would help in making the -k option to work right ? [13:10] no idea. but it might help :) [13:12] fdoving: also what is the kdesu -t option ? [13:12] fdoving: looks that this is the one missing that causes problems with kdevelop and so on right ? [13:12] yep. [13:13] fdoving: hard to implement ? [13:13] don't know. [13:13] but looking at kdesu it's not that simple. === apachelogger__ is now known as apachelogger [13:16] Riddell: fix uploaded [13:19] thanks apachelogger === Shely is now known as MJ086 [13:25] Hobbsee: how do you do nbs? [13:26] Riddell: fix the packages so that nothing depends on the packages in the nbs list [13:26] each nbs package shows the packages which depend on it, so you can fix them [13:30] Hobbsee: where's the list again? [13:30] p.u.c/~u-a/NBS [13:31] ah hah [14:03] fdoving: I'm pretty happy with kdesudo right now [14:03] fdoving: the only problem is that parsing -c option and all args correctly results an horrible command with the quotes [14:04] fdoving: I'm not sure we want to show the command to the user.... [14:04] fdoving: btw gksu doesn't [14:04] Riddell: have any opinion on that point ? [14:05] fdoving: I think the solution would be a "details" clickable button for those who want to check out the command [14:05] Tonio_: what's the question? [14:05] Riddell: do we want to always show the command to the user with kdesudo [14:06] Riddell: some commands are pretty ugly, like the dolphin's "run as root " [14:06] Tonio_: I've always thought it a horrible security risk not to, but as you say gksudo doesn't and it's pretty ugly at times [14:06] Riddell: I suggest to put a "details" button with the command in it [14:06] Tonio_: maybe you should ask kees for a justification for it to be hidden [14:07] Riddell: well the comprimise idea doesn't comprimise security, but doesn't show the command for all users everytime, I'd say [14:08] Tonio_: yes, seems sensible [14:08] Riddell: most kdesudo problems will be fixed toonight, thanks for fdoving's suggestions for the code [14:08] Riddell: next will be finishing kio-apt [14:10] * Riddell hugs Tonio_ [14:17] hey everyone, I have some updated info on bug 173770. Would someone be able to take a look? [14:17] Launchpad bug 173770 in kdelibs "kdelibs-data is un-uninstallable" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173770 [14:17] Tonio_: how is it ugly? - very quoted? [14:18] rexbron: gutsy or hardy? [14:18] Riddell: Hardy [14:18] Tonio_: i don't mind hiding the command. i belive gksu got this option to enable showing it. probably gconf-key thing. [14:18] is there #kubuntu+1? [14:19] lol, guess not [14:20] rexbron: there is, adn we dont use it [14:20] Riddell: I should also mention that it is kdelibs in Ubuntu [14:22] fdoving: every component of the command is quoted [14:22] Tonio_: like: "some" "magic" "command" ? [14:22] yep [14:22] hard to read for the user [14:23] fdoving: I'll try to "pseudo hide" it, with a details button or something [14:25] rexbron: just installed and removed kdelibs-data in a chroot, no problems at all [14:25] wow weird [14:26] I'm entirely out of ideas what could cause your problem [14:26] I don't know what to do other than a reinstall [14:26] as apt it completely borked [14:26] mkdir /usr/share/icons/crystalsvg then apt-get remove? [14:26] Apt tried to remove that package first, and since it fails, refuses to do anything else [14:26] i'll give that a try [14:27] Tonio_: hmm.. does kdesu quote like that? - or gksu? [14:27] Riddell: <3 :D [14:27] rexbron: the problem is the script /var/lib/dpkg/info/kdelibs-data.postrm [14:27] so maybe it's an issue with update-icon-caches in hardy [14:28] Tonio_: gksu tells you: The application 'bah' lets you modify essential parts of your system. [14:28] Riddell: if that last message did not convey my meaning properly, it worked, thanks a lot [14:29] rexbron: ah hah, I recreated it [14:29] I wonder where that update-icon-caches script came from [14:29] the kdelibs one [14:29] rexbron: if I have gtk installed that brings in update-icon-caches and the problem appears [14:29] so iz gtk bug :) [14:30] time to reassign :P [14:30] well maybe the kdelibs script is just not using it correctly [14:31] hmm, no, that postinst is automatically created [14:31] fdoving: we already put the application name to the user, and the command [14:31] that, I'd like to get rid of in fact [14:32] pushed anything to bzr yet? [14:42] http://tinyurl.com/2fbk9s kde-look poll :) [14:42] tho opensuse is catching up.... [14:42] (broken link?) [14:42] oh nvm [14:44] well it's on kde-look.org [14:52] apachelogger: ping [14:53] Krasu: hi [14:53] well? [14:53] Krasu: sorry, didn't have time to look at the tarball yet [14:53] * apachelogger tells amarok peeps to wait ;-) [14:53] ok... [14:54] I just wanted to know [14:54] Krasu: well, the tarball should be ok if you fixed everything I mentioned [14:55] apachelogger: I just want be sure that incoming 0.8.0 (not 0.7.6 :) ) will be added to KUbuntu withou problems. Ok, let me know when you test tarball, ok? [14:55] yep [14:56] * apachelogger notes that his konqueror is lagging like hell -.- [14:58] hi mzungu [14:58] hi Riddell [14:59] mzungu: am I right in thinking your nick is Swahili for "white person"? [14:59] lol - yes [15:00] excellent, I have now doubled my Swahili vocabulary [15:00] hehe :) [15:00] ...and (if you check the wili, or launchpad) you'll see it's really my name ;) [15:00] s/wili/wiki/ [15:01] and it's what guys in the street call out ;) [15:01] "Tony White" it all fits together now [15:02] :D [15:03] here's two more - hakuna matata [15:03] (np) [15:03] Timon and Pumbaa? [15:03] does it really mean "no worries"? [15:03] yup [15:03] :D [15:03] disney is so educational [15:03] but more for the tourists [15:03] hahah ) [15:04] we usually say - hakuna tabu [15:04] walt has a LOT to answer for! [15:04] imbrandon: looks like mplayer failed miserably [15:07] Riddell: needs rebuilt against new x264-54 package [15:07] Riddell: should work afterwards [15:07] Tonio_: he did that, it failed to compile in a nasty way === milian_ is now known as milian [15:12] Riddell: ah.... [15:29] Riddell: just gotten the -k option to work with kdesudo, hehe :) [15:29] now kdesu -s will work as expected [15:29] Tonio_: what does that do? [15:29] forget passwords [15:29] kdesu -s = sudo -k [15:29] Riddell: I remember you tried that one out, but it didn't work [15:30] Riddell: connect to pty makes it to work as expected [15:30] as well as using the user name in /var/run/sudo [15:30] hey everyone [15:31] fdoving: I'll commit today, so that you can review the changes [15:31] Tonio_: you got it to connect to a pty? [15:31] hi dragon76 [15:32] has anyone else had trouble getting kdm to start using 2.6.24 in hardy? [15:32] Riddell: well just kprocess::setusepty seems to work [15:32] Tonio_: doesn't it set a different pty for every use? [15:32] nope [15:32] well I didn't look [15:32] hrm, I'm sure it did when I tried [15:32] run kdesu twice and see if it remembers the password [15:33] it always sets the same pty from the same pty :) [15:33] means used with command line [15:33] Riddell: would be interesting to test with desktop files, let me check [15:36] Riddell: that works [15:36] Riddell: what is interesting is if once launched via desktop file I can empty the password cache using kdesu from the shell [15:37] if tat works it'd be perfect [15:38] Riddell: works as expected [15:38] Riddell: password is remembered as long as you run kdesu -s [15:38] ;) [15:39] hehe, don't ask me how I did, c++ is still a mystery for me, but as long as it works... ^_^ [15:39] has anyone tested 2.6.24 kernel in hardy??? [15:39] Riddell: we may have to consider a security update for gutsy once tested [15:40] dragon76: can't say I have actually [15:41] kdm doesn't want to start... I don't need it but just wanting to help out developement with testing [15:41] 2.6.22-14 is ok [15:45] Heya [15:45] dragon76: kdm or X? [15:45] hello bddebian [15:45] Hello dragon76 [15:46] hmmm.... can't say I remember... that was 3 this morning.... don't I feel stupid [15:47] would I look in /var/log/messages for any pertinant info? [15:48] I'll go poke around a bit and come back and report. Have to reboot into the other kernel... Anything I should check that would help out? [15:50] dragon76: just try starting X on its own [15:51] will do... [16:11] oi oi [16:12] Riddell: I may ditch on Thursday, actually more than likely I will, so I can do some talking if needed [16:20] nixternal: eek, don't skip class on our account [16:24] Jucato: moin [16:26] Riddell: only for you :) [16:29] nixternal: there's a Q&A session at 1900utc [16:40] groovy [16:56] ta da https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuTutorialsDay [16:56] Tonio_: we should also make a manpage for kdesudo, bug 162823 can be confusing. [16:56] Launchpad bug 162823 in kdesudo "wrong manpage for kdesu is shown" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/162823 [16:57] and the diverting should also include the manpage. [16:57] if that approach is still valid. [16:58] so no documentation then I take it [16:59] "branch your svn with bzr"? :D [16:59] hi DaSkreech [16:59] Jucato: I'm hoping I can work out how before next week [16:59] Then dump it all in git :) [16:59] lol [16:59] Riddell: that stuff is next week? hahaha, I thought it was this week :) [17:00] damn, I might not be able to ditch, that is finals [17:00] but I can probably make time [17:01] Final Evaluations/Culminating Activities: Dec. 13 to 19 [17:01] nixternal: sorry, it's next week indeed [17:01] hrmm, I might be able to make it then especially if we do our finals for this class the following week [17:01] we should be good to go then [17:01] nixternal: well if you can't no problem, I can do it [17:01] man, I have a lot of project work I gotta finish up [17:13] fdoving: there is a manpage [17:13] fdoving: but we should also divert the kdesu manpage [17:13] fdoving: I'm just reading at all the little bugs and fix them === \sh is now known as \sh_away [17:44] good evening to all good folks out here [17:44] * DaSkreech waves [17:44] * Jucato waves goodnight [17:45] why are we doing this on Thursday? [17:45] tutorial day, that is [17:46] lol!! I was wondering why Dec 13 was tuesday on my calendar :) [17:46] * Jucato was looking at november... [17:47] that is our Jucato [17:47] :) [17:47] bye :) [17:48] umm... [17:48] Wed Dec 5 01:48:10 PHT 2007 [17:48] that cries "bed" :D [17:48] have I missed a new person in our midst? [17:49] c ya Jucato [17:49] who's that? [17:49] mhb: the day was picked by Jono, seems as good as any [17:49] txwikinger [17:49] Riddell: not sure who we are aiming at, but audiences under 60 usually have their days filled with doing stuff [17:50] workdays [17:50] people often have weekend filled too [17:51] oh sure, we cannot find a date for everyone, but my unproved theory states that statistically, people have more time on weekends [17:52] that is why we wanted meetings take place at weekends, because people have time [17:53] usually [17:53] meh, why do I care? [17:53] I wish you luck. [17:54] you care because you're an elite kubuntu developer? [17:54] nigh Jucato [17:56] Riddell: you are right, I better get back to work to earn that title :o) [18:06] Riddell: is d3lphin's source code actively put somewhere? [18:06] or should I fork it? [18:06] from apt-get source [18:08] hmm, forking it, I guess [18:08] mhb: fixing dolphin? cool [18:09] nosrednaekim: someone has to do it [18:11] nosrednaekim: fixing the KDE3 one [18:12] :) [18:12] you know c++? [18:12] me? [18:12] no [18:12] nosrednaekim: I know everything :o) [18:13] nosrednaekim: well, I know everything except for the thing that I know everything [18:13] hehe.... [18:13] mhb: huh? [18:13] the day is never complete without a strange loop [18:14] mhb: you mean you know everything except for what you dont know? [18:14] cause in that case [18:14] i know everything too [18:14] :P [18:19] Imagine you are a person with just one year to live, and yet the ones you love really care about you and try to make you shine in your last days... [18:20] Then you know how my branch of D3lphin must feel [18:20] hehe [18:20] hey.... the kde4 dolphin is amazing.. [18:20] if you can make the KDE3 one as good.. [18:21] its'll be ayear well spent [18:21] *it'll be a year [18:21] for the year it will be used :) [18:21] nosrednaekim: indeed, having a brother that will take all the glory while you rot on the scrapyard must be a bit depressing thought [18:21] hehe [18:22] on the other hand, I'm going to rot there too, in time [18:22] so let's get to work while I still can [18:23] d3lphin has quite a few bugs [18:24] im just hoping that the kde4 one will be better [18:24] gtg now [18:30] mhb: are you putting the dolphin source in bzr on kubuntu-members or something like that ? [18:31] fdoving: you know me well [18:31] fdoving: let me just apply the debian patches to the code itself [18:31] and review them [18:31] then I'll put the code there [18:31] great. [18:32] fdoving: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/dolphin/hardy-fork will be the address [18:32] nice, i'll fetch it when you've pushed. [18:32] mhb: I don't think it's in revision control anywhere [18:33] Riddell: right, I'm putting it in LP [18:37] mhb: good plan [18:44] pushed, should be available soonish === jpetso is now known as jpetso_away === jpetso_away is now known as jpetso [18:53] mhb: will you push the debian directory too, to it's own place? [19:00] fdoving: I'll put it there, not sure if it'll work tho [19:00] I've branched the upstream package, not our debian one [19:01] ok. but that doesn't matter, if we push our debian directory, maybe removing the patches, the result should be the same. [19:05] fdoving: pushed [19:07] mhb: ah, you put it there. i was thinking about having a separate branch for the debian/ directory, like the other kde packages we have in bzr. [19:12] fdoving: do as you think [19:12] I'm fine with it [19:13]