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[00:15] <rafal> hello
[00:16] <rafal> ubuntu is quite nice distro (despite some bugs I noticed)  :)
[00:16] <gaminggeek> bugs in hardy?
[00:16] <gaminggeek> or in gutsy?
[00:16] <rafal> hmm nope in 7.10
[00:16] <rafal> hardy is the testing version I guess?
[00:16] <Pici> Yes.
[00:16] <gaminggeek> then your in the wrong channel :)
[00:16] <bazhang_> yup
[00:16] <gaminggeek> yea
[00:16] <Pici> We're way in alpha still.
[00:17] <gaminggeek> so what sexyness is planned for hardy?
[00:17] <rafal> I am best alpha/beta tester
[00:18] <rafal> perhaps I can help a bit with next ubuntu?
[00:18] <bazhang_> gaminggeek: try the livecd or join the hardy-changes mailing list or both :}
[00:18] <gaminggeek> ok :)
[00:18] <bazhang_> rafal: there is a launchpad firefox plugin that lets you easily access launchpad
[00:18] <gaminggeek> or I suppose I could look at launchpad :)
[00:19] <gaminggeek> but I was just trying to start a convo :)
[00:19] <rafal> does it make sense to test in qemu or other virtuall?
[00:19] <bazhang_> gaminggeek: that would be #ubuntu-offtopic
[00:19] <rafal> so I can continue work on stable ubuntu, while doing less important stuff in virtuall
[00:19] <bazhang_> rafal: I tried the livecd and then installed it
[00:19] <gaminggeek> but it was ontopic for hardy
[00:20] <gaminggeek> anyway that doesnt matter I will shut up now
[01:08] <jcrawford> how do i get the alpha release and is it just source code or in live cd form?
[01:08] <IdleOne> jcrawford: state your problems in here perhaps someone can give you more info or check out blueprints.launchpad.net
[01:09] <jcrawford> well I have the BCM4328 wifi card and I cannot get it to be recognized at all (except under lspci)
[01:09] <crimsun> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/8.04/alpha-1/
[01:09] <crimsun> note that that image does not have today's 2.6.24-1.1 linux, which sports the shiny b43 driver.
[01:10] <jcrawford> i have tried using madwifi drivers, even the BCM43xx drivers/firmware but it will not be seen with network manager or wifi-radar
[01:10] <jcrawford> i should mention i am o9n a mac pro
[01:10] <IdleOne> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/8.04/alpha-1/
[01:10] <IdleOne> that was a test sorry for the repeat
[01:10] <IdleOne> :)
[01:10] <jcrawford> :)
[01:11] <jcrawford> crimsun: is there not a cd image with the b43 driver?
[01:12] <crimsun> not yet.
[01:12] <crimsun> (which I answered above)
[01:12] <jcrawford> no you didnt answer that lol you just said that the image you stated did not have it, not that there was not an image yet :)
[01:13] <jcrawford> ok cool, maybe i will just wait for the next alpha image then
[01:13] <jcrawford> because i wonder if that would help or not
[01:24] <jcrawford> may have just sole my mac pro lol
[01:24] <jcrawford> if so i am building a nice amd phenom server
[05:16] <LimCore> how to set custom DPI like 110 ?
[05:19] <RAOF> System->Preferences->Appearance->Font -> DPI
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[06:09] <LimCore> how to use skype on amd64 ubuntu?
[06:10] <RAOF> Download it & run it, generally.
[06:11] <RAOF> (You probably want the static-linked i386 binary)
[06:11] <LimCore> RAOF: it fails
[06:11] <LimCore>  error while loading shared libraries: libQtDBus.so.4: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[06:11] <LimCore> the lib is therem but only in 64bit verision
[06:11] <RAOF> Did you get the statically linked version?
[06:12] <RAOF> Failing that, ia32-libs.
[06:13] <RAOF> If that doesn't have it, then you can manually futz with things (download the i386 deb with that binary, unpack it, copy the lib to /usr/lib32)
[06:13] <LimCore> this is interesting http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=474790
[06:13] <LimCore> RAOF: this script seems to be doing this
[06:13] <RAOF> Yup.
[06:13] <RAOF> I think that may even be in the archives.
[06:13] <RAOF> !info getlibs
[06:13] <ubotu> Package getlibs does not exist in gutsy
[06:14] <RAOF> !info getlibs hardy
[06:14] <ubotu> Package getlibs does not exist in hardy
[06:14] <LimCore> hello
[06:15] <LimCore> bah, wrong key
[06:15] <LimCore> are there plans to put that usable script to next ubuntu?
[06:15] <RAOF> I don't think so.  It's not really archive material, in my opinion.
[06:16] <LimCore> yes, doing it all by hand is much more fun
[06:17] <RAOF> Basically, it breaks apt.
[06:17] <RAOF> Kinda.
[06:18] <LimCore> so what is the correct way to run 32 bit apps like skype in amd64 ubuntu?
[06:18] <RAOF> LimCore: To file bugs against the relevant ia32-libs package until it has all the libraries you need.
[06:19] <RAOF> But the *real* way to run 32bit apps in x86-64 Ubuntu is to not use crappy proprietary stuff ;)
[06:20] <RAOF> There's not really a good way, frankly.
[06:21] <RAOF> But the it's only a problem for (relatively few) proprietary programs, so it's hard to really get worked up about it.
[06:28] <LimCore> RAOF: so, we do have some open source software ready to replace software with several departments of developers to polish up, QA teams, not to mention hosting costs for milions of users?
[06:29] <LimCore> I only tried wengophone, but it didnt worked back then
[06:29] <RAOF> LimCore: Ekiga?
[06:29] <pbandjco> can anyone help me with a problem accessing my raid array. i get an $MFT has invalid magic error. and it wants me to mount the raid device under "/dev/mapper" ?
[06:30] <LimCore> RAOF: isnt ekiga older name for wengo?
[06:30] <RAOF> I don't think so.  Check it out, it's Gnome's official VoIP app.
[06:30] <crdlb> ekiga is gnomemeeting renamed
[06:30] <RAOF> Of course, it won't connect to skype's network.
[06:30] <LimCore> LimCore: about replacing propertiray... in some places I do not see any alternative... like say Flash
[06:31] <LimCore> even if I would say "ok lets ignore milions of flash movies there, I will use something totally different" is there any free format?  like OOP is a full replacement for MS doc format
[06:31] <RAOF> LimCore: Flash we deal with.
[06:31] <RAOF> LimCore: Plus, gnash is getting pretty good.
[06:32] <LimCore> don't want to complain.. but gnash seemed to have trouble playing youtube even
[06:32] <RAOF> Works now, I think.
[06:32] <RAOF> Or maybe not, maybe youtube broke it again.
[06:33] <LimCore> tested today on 7.10 amd64, movie itself was very very low quality, and buttons in the embbed player flash where in wrong positions
[06:33] <RAOF> Ok.
[06:34] <RAOF> Well, we make flashplugin-nonfree work on x86-64 by sticking in a small 64-32bit shim.
[06:34] <LimCore> mhm
[06:34] <RAOF> Which isn't awesome, but mostly works.
[06:35] <pbandjco> any help with mdraid?
[06:35] <pbandjco> dmraid
[06:35] <RAOF> Basically, proprietary stuff will *always* me more of a pain than open stuff (see the vmware-server stuff in gutsy-partner, for example)
[06:36] <RAOF> pbandjco: No, sorry.  Although mounting the raid under /dev/mapper seems perfectly reasonable.
[06:36] <LimCore> RAOF: on the other hand..  why OS did not invent own, better, flash-like format... or skype-like thing; and make it actually work (from program through QA and polish/help up to marketing/support)
[06:36] <pbandjco> RAOF: how would i go about doing that? sorry i have only been using Linux for about 3hrs
[06:38] <RAOF> pbandjco: Then this isn't where you want to be asking.  This is for support/questions about the development version of Ubuntu, Hardy Heron.  If you're new, you *really* don't want to be running this.
[06:38] <RAOF> pbandjco: Support for Gutsy (Ubuntu 7.10) and below is in #ubuntu.
[06:39] <pbandjco> RAOF: i am on that channel but no one is answering, so i came here
[06:39] <RAOF> LimCore: On the skype front: In what way does ekiga not work for you?  And on the flash front: probably because flash *exists*.
[06:39] <RAOF> pbandjco: You might just have to be patient.  #ubuntu is a bit noisy, generally.  You may also want to try the forums: http://ubuntuforums.org
[06:39] <LimCore> RAOF: will ekiga work if both people are behind NAT/firewall, and are conference calls suported?
[06:39] <pbandjco> RAOF: ok thanks
[06:40] <RAOF> LimCore: Yes to the first, and I'm not sure about the second.
[06:40] <RAOF> LimCore: But probably.
[06:40] <LimCore> hmm
[06:40] <LimCore> well, then too bad OS is late (same for flash)
[06:41] <RAOF> We can still implement flash.  That's what gnash is, after all.
[06:41] <RAOF> It's a reasonably transparent standard, from what I gather.
[06:42] <LimCore> hmm in general I think OS is doing stuff... but it fully catches up after several years
[06:43] <vincenz> Is this the place for help with gutsy?
[06:43] <LimCore> vincenz: #ubuntu better
[06:43] <RAOF> vincenz: No, that'd be #ubuntu
[06:44] <RAOF> In some ways it's ahead, in some ways it's behind.  I'm not sure how Windows does on network-transparent audio, for example.
[06:44] <RAOF> Pulseaudio is *awesome*.
[06:45] <LimCore> RAOF: as for skype on amd64
[06:45] <LimCore> can we write a package that will automatically download skype from skype.com, and also install needed 32 bit libs?
[06:45] <LimCore> it would be much more comfortable then googling forums...
[06:46] <RAOF> Possibly.  If that's not against the license.
[06:46] <LimCore> or at least write like "Now press ENTER to lunch web browser, click there to Download, and then press ENTER back here to unpack & run"
[06:47] <RAOF> No, not really.
[06:47] <RAOF> It's in Gutsy-partner, though, isn't it?
[06:47] <LimCore> hm?
[06:47] <RAOF> Not for amd64, obviously, because they don't support that.
[06:47] <LimCore> so.. if we can, then... lets do it :) ?
[06:48] <RAOF> Do you have ia32-libs-kde installed?  That may well have the library you're after, anyway.
[06:48] <LimCore> amd64 not ia32 ?
[06:49] <RAOF> ia32-libs-* are a bunch of arch:amd64 packages containing ia32 libraries.  Kinda a poor-man's multiarch.
[06:50] <LimCore> any plans for full multiarch for ubuntu?
[06:50] <RAOF> Not going to happen until Debian do it.  That big a divergence from Debian would *kill* universe.
[06:51] <RAOF> (Where we have tens of active devs, and ~20K packages)
[06:53] <LimCore> Failed to fetch the changelog for wesnoth
[06:53] <LimCore> URI was: http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/universe/w/wesnoth/wesnoth_1.2.6-1ubuntu2.2/changelog
[06:53] <LimCore> I get this all the time, is all ok?
[07:26] <hwilde> I  have ubuntu installed on a 2G compact flash.  it went into read-only mode somehow.  why would this happen?  I am thinking extreme fragmentation.  anybody have links on the topic?
[07:31] <hwilde> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=133785
[07:31] <hwilde> similar issue described there
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[12:46] <BUGabundo> hy there!
[12:46] <BUGabundo> azureus  (both form reps, and site) gives a core dump on hardy
[12:46] <BUGabundo> *from
[12:46] <BUGabundo> anyone having that trouble too?
[13:01] <void^> BUGabundo: xcb related?
[13:06] <BUGabundo> what's xcb void^?
[13:07] <void^> BUGabundo: well, does it say anything besides core dumped?
[13:07] <void^> (sorry, i'll be away for ~30 minutes)
[13:08] <BUGabundo> let me check void^
[13:09] <BUGabundo> java: xcb_xlib.c:82: xcb_xlib_unlock: Assertion `c->xlib.lock' failed., void^
[13:09] <BUGabundo> brb
[13:12] <crimsun> BUGabundo: that's a bug in sun-bin[56]*
[13:12] <crimsun> BUGabundo: use icedtea instead
[13:13] <webjames> Hi, has anyone ran hardy in virtualbox?
[13:24] <void^> BUGabundo: as crimsun said, or export LIBXCB_ALLOW_SLOPPY_LOCK=true
[13:27] <void^> (strangely enough, icedtea in hardy doesn't fix the problem for me on 64bit)
[13:29] <BUGabundo> back
[13:30] <BUGabundo> void^ are you here now?
[13:30] <Amaranth> BUGabundo: It's java being stupid with threading, use iceatea instead
[13:31] <BUGabundo> so, should I just edit the az script and change the java path, Amaranth ?
[13:31] <void^> BUGabundo: are you on 32bit or 64bit?
[13:31] <BUGabundo> 32
[13:32] <Amaranth> I don't think you have to change the path in the script but sure
[13:32] <BUGabundo> that way it is always set to iceatea
[13:33] <BUGabundo> ok, new prob
[13:33] <void^> ubuntu's azureus script uses icedtea automatically if present, the original script just uses the default jre (java -version)
[13:33] <BUGabundo> icedtea-java7-bin:  Depends: icedtea-java7-jre but it is not going to be installed ;  Depends: libgif4 but it is not going to be installed
[13:35] <void^> libgif<>libungif collission, you can force it with apt-get install icedtea-java7-bin
[13:48] <BUGabundo> void^ forcing that lib, removes some other gnome libs.
[13:48] <BUGabundo> aint there any other way ?
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[15:15] <void^> BUGabundo: like i said earlier, 'export LIBXCB_ALLOW_SLOPPY_LOCK=true' should fix it
[15:16] <LimCore>  /j #allegro
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[15:23] <BUGabundo> almost LimCore
[15:24] <BUGabundo> trying void^
[15:26] <BUGabundo> its seems to work. thanks!
[16:01] <dr_evil> good evening h3sp4wn
[16:43] <h3sp4wn> dr_evil: Hi
[16:45] <dr_evil> sorry, need to leave now, the notebook power supply broke down...
[18:54] <pwnguin> is there a way to get pidgin to hide the buddy list on startup?
[18:55] <coNP[uni]> pwnguin: sure
[18:57] <pwnguin> coNP[uni]: and it is?
[18:57] <coNP[uni]> I tried to find the setting, but cannot
[18:57] <coNP[uni]> It seems to behave so by default
[18:57] <pwnguin> well me too
[18:58] <coNP[uni]> sorry, I have no more ideas
[18:58] <pwnguin> hmm. im on a gutsy workstation right now. maybe it changed in hardy.
[18:58] <pwnguin> i'll test there
[22:07] <graft> anyone experience an issue with xvideo playback shaking up and down with the latest fglrx drivers?
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