[00:01] <ubotu> New bug: #173781 in balazar (universe) "balazar crashed with GLError in _soya.render()" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173781
[00:06] <ubotu> New bug: #173782 in ubuntu "ubuntu 7.10 ppc does not boot into fresh install (hangs with one block in the progress bar)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173782
[00:11] <ubotu> New bug: #173783 in libssh2 (universe) "main inclusion request" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173783
[00:21] <ubotu> New bug: #173786 in ubuntu "nscd required for libnss-ldap to work" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173786
[00:25] <ubotu> New bug: #173787 in libnss-ldap (main) "symlinks in /etc/ required for libnss-ldap to work" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173787
[00:25] <BlackDiamonds> how do I attach files to a bug report ?
[00:28] <Kmos> just open the bug and after do a comment
[00:28] <Kmos> and you've a box there to add the attachment
[00:29] <BlackDiamonds> can I add more than one attachment per comment ?
[00:29] <Kmos> not yet :(
[00:29] <BlackDiamonds> this is my bug report then
[00:29] <BlackDiamonds> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.22/+bug/173790
[00:29] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 173790 in linux-source-2.6.22 "USB Wlan device not detected (Prism2 chipset)" [Undecided,New]
[00:30] <BlackDiamonds> I guess it also effects hardy too since the kernels are the same
[00:30] <BlackDiamonds> could some one tell me if this is a good bug report or not and can it be triaged ?
[00:31] <ubotu> New bug: #173788 in ubuntu "tex-live usepackage a4wide missing required a4.sty" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173788
[00:31] <ubotu> New bug: #173789 in gnome-app-install (main) "[Hardy Test 1] Add/remove crashes on search" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173789
[00:33] <Kmos> hardy will have 2.6.24
[00:33] <BlackDiamonds> oh
[00:33] <Kmos> so don't need to add it
[00:33] <BlackDiamonds> ok
[00:33] <BlackDiamonds> I just hope this gets fixed now or for hardy
[00:33] <Kmos> add attachment one per comment
[00:33] <Kmos> good night
[00:35] <ubotu> New bug: #173790 in linux-source-2.6.22 (main) "USB Wlan device not detected (Prism2 chipset)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173790
[00:35] <ubotu> New bug: #173791 in network-manager-applet (main) "nm-applet will switch from wired to wireless, but not back to wired." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173791
[01:10] <ubotu> New bug: #173794 in gnome-games (main) "aisleriot help" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173794
[01:15] <ubotu> New bug: #173795 in linux-source-2.6.20 (main) "No sound on 2nd Gen MacBook" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173795
[01:20] <ubotu> New bug: #173796 in hal (main) "ac97 has driver but i have no sound" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173796
[01:32] <ubotu> New bug: #173797 in linux-source-2.6.22 (main) "kernel oops on booting" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173797
[01:32] <ubotu> New bug: #173798 in pose (multiverse) "POSE gets "hardware exception #3" on startup" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173798
[01:32] <ubotu> New bug: #173799 in pose (multiverse) "POSE gets "hardware exception #3" on startup" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173799
[01:36] <ubotu> New bug: #173800 in acpi (main) "Suspend locks up my computer with smiley faces" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173800
[01:41] <ubotu> New bug: #173801 in xchat (universe) "XChat should stay in the workspace where it's opened" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173801
[02:20] <persia> Debian 366093
[02:20] <ubotu> Debian bug 366093 in debbugs "[service.in] fix stop regex to match documentation" [Minor,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/366093
[02:30] <ubotu> New bug: #173803 in at-spi (main) "Please upload new at-spi 1.21.3-0ubuntu1" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173803
[02:39] <emkubed> ping
[02:40] <persia> !ping
[02:40] <ubotu> pong
[02:40] <emkubed> hi there. i suppose I expected bugs to be flying by. i take it the mailing list gets the most traffic
[02:41] <persia> Actually, here probably has more traffic than the ML: this gets bugs, chats, and additional bug references.
[02:41] <persia> Or maybe not, as the ML also gets all the bug comments.
[02:41] <emkubed> ah. well i've been using Ubuntu for a while, but I've decided to contribute, and I hear this is the best place to get started
[02:42] <Hobbsee> i think ubotu's having trouble, or most people aren't filing bugs at this time of day
[02:42] <Hobbsee> we got a mass lot in yesterday
[02:42] <persia> I certainly think so.  We've a number of bugs open, and not enough people to triage all the bug reports.
[02:43] <emkubed> so from here, once you get the hang of it, you apply to the bugcontrol team on launchpad?
[02:43] <persia> I'd suggest starting with a read of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs : best things to start are "Bug Triage" or "Fixing Bugs", depending on your interest.
[02:44] <persia> emkubed: That's about right.  Ask here if you want advice on any bugs.
[02:44] <emkubed> i'm reviewing those right now, and it sounded like looking for bugs here was the first step. if there aren't reports showing up here, i can just go find any unassigned bug and get started?
[02:45] <Hobbsee> sure!
[02:45] <persia> emkubed: Yep.
[02:46] <emkubed> ok then, i'm going to look for one and I'll fire off any questions I have in here if that'k ok
[02:46] <persia> emkubed: When getting started, I recommend looking for "New" bugs. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?search=Search&field.status=New is the link.
[02:46] <persia> That's great.  Thanks for helping!
[02:46] <emkubed> thanks persia
[02:47] <emkubed> np, i feel like a leech to use ubuntu and not give back. buygin swag isn't enough ;)
[02:51] <emkubed> from the link you provided, it's showing high level bugs and comments that are, in many cases, quite old. the how to triage wiki links here: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.searchtext=&orderby=-importance&field.status%3Alist=Unconfirmed&field.importance%3Alist=Undecided&assignee_option=none&field.assignee=&field.owner=&field.component=1&field.component=2&field.component-empty-marker=1&field.omit_dupes.u
[02:53] <persia> emkubed: Anything "New" needs help, but that list is definitely a better initial target.  I just don't like pasting really long links :)
[02:53] <emkubed> if someone set the importance as high, isn't that past triage, or are we looking to improve the bug report at that point?
[02:54] <persia> If it's still "New", it usually either needs improvement or the status is not correct.  Known bugs that can be reproduced should be "Confirmed", and bugs where everything is known should be "Triaged", although setting "Triaged" doesn't become available until you've been doing it a while and joined the right teams.
[02:55] <persia> On the other hand "New"+"Undecided" usually means nobody has taken a serious look at it first, so that's a better place to start.
[02:56] <ubotu> New bug: #173805 in openoffice.org (main) "Openoffice freeze when try to add an extension" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173805
[02:56] <ubotu> New bug: #173806 in vlc (universe) "mozilla-plugin-vlc has memory leak" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173806
[02:56] <emkubed> hmm, i can look at that vlc bug....
[03:10] <ubotu> New bug: #173808 in ubuntu "Could not commit changes - Adept Updater" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173808
[03:22] <emkubed> ok, hows this look: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openoffice.org/+bug/173805
[03:22] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 173805 in openoffice.org "Openoffice freeze when try to add an extension" [Undecided,Incomplete]
[03:29] <ubotu> New bug: #173809 in ubuntu "at command and atq not working" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173809
[03:50] <ubotu> New bug: #173813 in network-manager-openvpn (universe) "n-m-openvpn not work with manually configured interface" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173813
[04:00] <ubotu> New bug: #173814 in ubuntu "no xorg.conf created on install of hardy alpha" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173814
[04:10] <ubotu> New bug: #173816 in compiz-fusion-bcop (universe) "package compiz-fusion-bcop None [modified: /var/lib/dpkg/info/compiz-fusion-bcop.list] failed to install/upgrade: trying to overwrite `/usr/bin/bcop', which is also in package compiz-bcop" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173816
[04:56] <ubotu> New bug: #173817 in php5 (main) "php5 5.2.3-1ubuntu6.2 causing problem" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173817
[05:09] <eljefe__> how can I launch top in a (new) konsole , with a single command?
[05:09] <eljefe__> sorry wrong forum
[05:49] <dholbach> good morning
[05:50] <pochu> morning dholbach
[05:50] <ubotu> New bug: #173820 in sound-juicer "Deselect should be Ctrl-Shift-A instead of Ctrl-D" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173820
[05:51] <dholbach> hey pochu
[06:06] <ubotu> New bug: #173821 in linux (main) "Plugging in an iPod via USB fails to mount when using ehci-hcd" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173821
[06:06] <ubotu> New bug: #173822 in ubuntu "Atheros 2413 Suddenly Stopped Working" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173822
[06:30] <ubotu> New bug: #173823 in sun-java6 (multiverse) "javaws does not register file extension/mime types" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173823
[06:46] <ubotu> New bug: #173824 in ubuntu "ml-2010 no longer detected as usb device in dapper" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173824
[06:51] <ubotu> New bug: #173825 in ebox (universe) "please add all modules according to ebox-platform and update it to 0.10.99" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173825
[06:51] <ubotu> New bug: #173826 in kubuntu-meta (main) "failed to boot in zyrex cruiser FLP 433" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173826
[07:15] <ubotu> New bug: #173827 in ubuntu "[needs-packaging] indywikia" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173827
[07:20] <ubotu> New bug: #173828 in ubuntu "[needs-packaging] Pinky-tagger" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173828
[07:25] <ubotu> New bug: #173829 in ubuntu "Please package the Saitek X52 MFD library" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173829
[07:36] <ubotu> New bug: #173831 in evolution (main) "Packaged translations for EN_AU incorrect" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173831
[08:20] <ubotu> New bug: #173835 in apt (main) "Source addresses in new PPC install give 404's" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173835
[08:20] <ubotu> New bug: #173836 in libgphoto2 (main) "Canon A75 no longer works" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173836
[08:25] <ubotu> New bug: #173837 in gdm (main) "gdmflexiserver or 'new login in a window' doesn't refresh screen" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173837
[08:30] <ubotu> New bug: #173839 in gimp (main) "GIMP 2.4.0~rc3-1ubuntu7 dumping the core" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173839
[08:35] <ubotu> New bug: #173840 in gnomebaker (universe) "drag'n'drop stop working correctly after insertion/deleteion of some folders" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173840
[08:35] <ubotu> New bug: #173841 in ubuntu "[gutsy] "leave message" and "switch user" buttons in the gnome screensaver unblock desktop dialog are not translated into Polish" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173841
[08:40] <ubotu> New bug: #173842 in afbinit (multiverse) "Please sync afbinit 1.0-3 (multiverse) from Debian unstable (contrib)" [Wishlist,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173842
[08:46] <ubotu> New bug: #173843 in ubuntu "static network settings not applied" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173843
[08:56] <ubotu> New bug: #173844 in ubuntu "update-manager" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173844
[08:56] <ubotu> New bug: #173845 in ltsp (main) "LTSP5 ThinClient Setup: Weird problem with flash-nonfree letting Firefox crash (only on thin client, works fine on server itself)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173845
[09:01] <ubotu> New bug: #173846 in apturl (main) "apturl doesn't speak my tongue" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173846
[09:17] <Chipzz> hi
[09:17] <Chipzz> how can I indicate that one bug depends (blocks) on another bug?
[09:19] <Chipzz> I have just filed bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xmlrpc-c/+bug/173848 and bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rtorrent/+bug/173850; the former needs to be fixed for the latter to be able to be fixed.
[09:19] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 173848 in xmlrpc-c "Please package more recent version" [Undecided,New]
[09:20] <persia> Chipzz: Aside from mentioning it in a comment, you can't really.  If you use the syntax "Bug #nnnnnn", Malone will create a hyperlink to make it easier for people to navigate.
[09:21] <Chipzz> oh heh, suckage :)
[09:21] <Chipzz> I thought it was best to file 2 bugs since you can do that in bugzilla iirc
[09:22] <persia> Chipzz: In Malone, it's often best to file I bug with two tasks, but it really depends on the nature of the bug.
[09:24] <Chipzz> basically, in this case there's a bug in rtorrent (well, not really; the bug is ubuntu compiling against a version of libxmlrpc-c which is too old to support a specific feature), so I thought it would be best to file a bug about the issue in rtorrent, and another bug to request a more recent version of libxmlrpc-c
[09:25] <persia> Chipzz: Either works.  Sounds like it needs two uploads.  One bug with two tasks might make the person working on it remember more easily, but if you describe it clearly, and add the bug link, it ought work anyway.
[09:26] <Chipzz> uhu, but in that case, which package should the bug be filed against?
[09:26] <Chipzz> rtorrent I suppose?
[09:27] <persia> Chipzz: If two bugs, one for each.  If one bug, one task for each (both)
[09:27] <Chipzz> hrrrm
[09:27] <Chipzz> I'm clearly not familiar enough with the concept of tasks :)
[09:28] <Chipzz> anyway, thx for the explanation :)
[09:28] <Chipzz> I'll go ask on #ubuntu-motu what the best way to get a new version uploaded would be ;)
[09:29] <persia> Chipzz: I can answer that: filing the bug.  If you're up for the work, add the patch to change the current version to the new version.  See the #ubuntu-motu topic for hints.
[09:30] <Chipzz> well I'm not a MOTU
[09:30] <persia> Chipzz: That's fine.
[09:30] <persia> Chipzz: Also, Bug #159338 is a good example for tasks.
[09:30] <Chipzz> I could probably do the packaging, but the thing is I'm not 100% sure if it's appropriate
[09:30] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 159338 in oxine "Re: Heads-up: small xine-lib transition in hardy" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/159338
[09:31] <Chipzz> since the libxmlrpc-c homepage mentions that 1.06 is stable, and the versions beyond that (advanced) are unstable
[09:31] <Chipzz> latest version is 1.12, but only 1.07 would be needed.
[09:32] <persia> Chipzz: Unstable is likely bad for an LTS.  You'd need a really good reason.
[09:32] <Chipzz> now since 1.12 was only released recently, I'm not sure which version would be best to get packaged: 1.08 (which would presumably be the first "kind-of-stable" release which has 64-but support), or 1.12, the latest version, which is more likely to be unstable
[09:33] <persia> Chipzz: You might ask upstream.  They might have an opinion.
[09:33] <Chipzz> uhu idd
[09:33] <Chipzz> but maybe getting the opinion of a MOTU would not be a bad thing either
[09:35] <persia> Well, what did upstream say?
[09:36] <Chipzz> haven't asked yet
[09:36] <ubotu> New bug: #173847 in gnome-system-tools (main) "problems with the windows, I can't move it or do anything with, please I needd to result" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173847
[09:36] <ubotu> New bug: #173848 in xmlrpc-c (universe) "Please package more recent version" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173848
[09:36] <ubotu> New bug: #173849 in linux-meta (main) "[CVE-2007-5500] [linux-source] possible DoS in ptrace attach logic" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173849
[09:36] <ubotu> New bug: #173850 in rtorrent (universe) "XML-RPC reports incorrect values for large files" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173850
[09:36] <ubotu> New bug: #173851 in linux-meta (main) "[CVE-2007-5501] [linux-source] possible remote DoS via crafted TCP ACK responses" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173851
[09:37] <Chipzz> still looking at the sf page to get some clue ;)
[09:37] <persia> It's really a matter of whether 1.07 is good enough.  I like 64-bit support, but not enough to break it: it's better to not ship something than to ship something broken.
[09:38] <Chipzz> well chances are that you're going to get bug-reports filed against rtorrent if you ship with the current version of libxmlrpc-c ;)
[09:40] <Chipzz> going to check something else first
[09:40] <ubotu> New bug: #173855 in rhythmbox (main) "Rhythmbox does not remember selected item from Library" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173855
[09:40] <ubotu> New bug: #173856 in openoffice.org (main) "installing dictionaries in openoffice too complicated" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173856
[09:41] <persia> I think you're right.  If you don't mind investigating a little, and adding some information to the bugs, there's a good chance the bugs can get fixed.
[09:41] <Chipzz> (how much packages depend on libxmlrpc-c)
[09:42] <persia> Chipzz: apt-cache rdepends libxmlrpc-c might tell you, but you might need the binary package.  I'm out of time, but if you get stuck, ask in #ubuntu-torrent, #ubuntu-motu, or here.
[09:45] <ubotu> New bug: #173858 in ubuntu "Applications in a secondary screen doesn't show the title bar" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173858
[09:50] <ubotu> New bug: #173859 in firefox (main) "firefox crashes" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173859
[09:50] <ubotu> New bug: #173860 in evince (main) "Greyscale printing from Evince" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173860
[10:16] <ubotu> New bug: #173865 in gnome-games (main) "Aisleriot lacks launchpad integration" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173865
[10:17] <ubotu> New bug: #173861 in libcairo (main) "firefox crashes after upgrading to libcairo 1.4.10-1ubuntu4.1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173861
[10:17] <ubotu> New bug: #173863 in nautilus (main) "Nautilus modal error dialog blocks all further interaction on all workspaces" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173863
[10:17] <ubotu> New bug: #173864 in ubuntu "Accents and umlauts don't work in KDE apps with some catalan locales" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173864
[10:36] <ubotu> New bug: #173867 in hal (main) "unable to install Planex GW-NS54GM" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173867
[10:36] <ubotu> New bug: #173868 in postfix (main) "postfix-doc unremovable if postfix not installed" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173868
[10:36] <ubotu> New bug: #173869 in sun-java6 (multiverse) "[hardy alpha 1] Java plugin and Jre doesn't work" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173869
[10:51] <ubotu> New bug: #173873 in debian-installer (main) "weather applet crashes on logout" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173873
[10:57] <ubotu> New bug: #173875 in xsensors (universe) "There is no way to open the tool" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173875
[11:01] <ubotu> New bug: #173876 in gnome-system-tools (main) "network-admin does not report errors in /etc/network/interfaces" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173876
[11:15] <ubotu> New bug: #173877 in firefox (main) "firefox is slow and doesn't respond, especially during flash work" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173877
[11:26] <ubotu> New bug: #173784 in gnome-terminal (main) "gnome-terminal crashed with SIGSEGV" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173784
[11:50] <ubotu> New bug: #173880 in ubuntu "rtl8187b error while compiling" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173880
[11:55] <ubotu> New bug: #173881 in wesnoth (universe) "the option "turn_cmd" can stall a computer or maybe start another application" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173881
[12:01] <ubotu> New bug: #173882 in kopete-plugin-thinklight (universe) "changelog error" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173882
[12:01] <ubotu> New bug: #173884 in tork (universe) "copyright error" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173884
[12:05] <ubotu> New bug: #173885 in ekiga (main) "package ekiga None [modified: /var/lib/dpkg/info/ekiga.list] failed to install/upgrade: Unterprozess post-removal script mit Signal (Interrupt) getötet" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173885
[12:10] <ubotu> New bug: #173886 in pidgin (main) "Pidgin SIGSEGV (gnome proxy settings)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173886
[12:31] <ubotu> New bug: #173887 in linphone (universe) "libortp7-dev should conflict libortp5-dev" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173887
[12:31] <ubotu> New bug: #173888 in ubiquity (main) "Window maximizing bug" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173888
[12:40] <ubotu> New bug: #173890 in flashplugin-nonfree (multiverse) "flashplugin-nonfree fails to install... new version?" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173890
[12:50] <ubotu> New bug: #173891 in openoffice.org (main) "basic won't access spreadsheet row > 255" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173891
[12:55] <ubotu> New bug: #173892 in ubuntu "can't change wallpaper" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173892
[13:05]  * emgent heya
[13:06] <ubotu> New bug: #173893 in acpi-support (main) "flickering display on samsung p35" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173893
[13:12] <ubotu> New bug: #173894 in scim-bridge (main) "Enable SCIM render deadkeys useless in KDE/QT apps" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173894
[13:16] <ubotu> New bug: #173895 in ubuntu "Different panel-applets don't work" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173895
[13:23] <ubotu> New bug: #173896 in firefox (main) "Firefox crashes" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173896
[13:36] <ubotu> New bug: #173691 in firefox (main) "firefox-bin crashed with SIGSEGV in FPX_SoundOutput_Latency()" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173691
[13:36] <ubotu> New bug: #173898 in system-config-printer (main) "system-config-printer.py does not find network printers (Gutsy/amd64)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173898
[13:37] <ubotu> New bug: #173897 in osso-af-settings (universe) "Missing "datarootdir" entry in the pkg config file." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173897
[13:56] <ubotu> New bug: #173900 in sound-juicer (main) "first part of set titles is interpreted as composer/artist" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173900
[13:57] <ubotu> New bug: #173323 in firefox (main) "firefox-bin crashed with SIGSEGV in __kernel_vsyscall()" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173323
[13:58] <ubotu> New bug: #172982 in firefox (main) "firefox-bin crashed with SIGSEGV in __kernel_vsyscall()" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172982
[14:01] <ubotu> New bug: #172699 in firefox (main) "firefox-bin crashed with SIGSEGV in pa_threaded_mainloop_lock()" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172699
[14:06] <ubotu> New bug: #173903 in ubuntu "Genius Webcam works on a 32-bit laptop, but doesn't on a 64-bit" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173903
[14:11] <ubotu> New bug: #173904 in aptitude (main) "[gutsy] (un)markauto tries to remove packages" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173904
[14:11] <ubotu> New bug: #173905 in apache (universe) "Gutsy - apache-ssl missing in gutsy repositories" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173905
[14:15] <ubotu> New bug: #173906 in ubuntu "[needs-packaging] AstroMenace" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173906
[14:15] <ubotu> New bug: #173907 in glipper (universe) "clipper makes lyx(or qt in general ?) unusable" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173907
[14:25] <ubotu> New bug: #173909 in ubuntu "Kubuntu doesn't see files with special characters in NTFS external drive" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173909
[14:30] <ubotu> New bug: #173912 in gnome-volume-manager (main) "problem when importing medias from a camera" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173912
[14:35] <ubotu> New bug: #173911 in ubuntu "soundcard master slider does not work" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173911
[14:45] <ubotu> New bug: #173914 in ebview (universe) "Please sync ebview 0.3.6-4 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173914
[14:51] <ubotu> New bug: #173916 in nautilus (main) "file-rolle can't display chinese file name from zip format file." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173916
[14:56] <ubotu> New bug: #173917 in hal (main) "tv card medion tv-tuner 7134 not detected" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173917
[15:06] <ubotu> New bug: #173918 in ubuntu "passwd doesn't honour -o switch" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173918
[15:06] <ubotu> New bug: #173920 in ubuntu "xorg 7.3 no font" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173920
[15:06] <ubotu> New bug: #173921 in nautilus (main) "nautilus right-click to run script does not showup" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173921
[15:09] <kagou> hi
[15:11] <ubotu> New bug: #173922 in ubuntu "MIR - please include xulrunner-1.9 in hardy main" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173922
[15:25] <ubotu> New bug: #173926 in ekiga (main) "Ekiga fails to register on SIP server, Linphone OK" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173926
[15:25] <ubotu> New bug: #173927 in ubuntu "boot fails after upgrade to kernel 2.22.14" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173927
[15:30] <ubotu> New bug: #173930 in evolution (main) "Saving all attachements in Evolution requires selecting parent directory" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173930
[15:41] <ubotu> New bug: #173931 in ubuntu-dev-tools (universe) "Please merge ~rainct/ubuntu-dev-tools/dev revison 43 into ~ubuntu-dev/ubuntu-dev-tools/trunk" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173931
[15:45] <bddebian> Boo
[15:50] <Kirrus> who
[15:52] <bddebian> Don't cry :)
[15:56] <ubotu> New bug: #173932 in apt (main) "apt-get cannot install packages - Hash Sum mismatch" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173932
[16:07] <afflux> hi
[16:15] <ubotu> New bug: #173933 in gnome-screensaver (main) "gnome-screensaver-gl-helper crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173933
[16:19] <afflux> anyone able to tell me what to do with bugs about broken package updates (i.e. post-processing scripts), which are not reproducable via apt-get install <pkgname> and don't contain more informationt than "ErrorMessage: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1"?
[16:26] <ubotu> New bug: #173935 in ubuntu "Resume from suspend fails when power cord is removed or inserted" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173935
[16:26] <ubotu> New bug: #173937 in systeminstaller (universe) "Please sync systeminstaller 1.04-4  (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173937
[16:33] <ubotu> New bug: #173938 in kwave (universe) "kwave doesn't start on 64-bit Kubuntu Gutsy" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173938
[16:33] <ubotu> New bug: #173939 in aolserver4 (universe) "Please sync aolserver4 4.5.0-12  (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173939
[16:35] <bdmurray> afflux: ask for /var/log/apt/term.log maybe
[16:36] <afflux> bdmurray: I'll try it, thanks.
[16:52] <ubotu> New bug: #173942 in ubuntu "volume increases uncontrollably on Dell 1420n" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173942
[16:52] <ubotu> New bug: #173943 in inkscape (main) "gutsy - inkscape - horizontal aligned font characters are not rendered correctly, they are put on each other instead of next to each other" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173943
[17:00] <ubotu> New bug: #173945 in mplayerplug-in (multiverse) "Merge mplayerplug-in 3.50 from debian" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173945
[17:06] <ubotu> New bug: #173946 in evolution (main) "Evolution crash with Croatian spellchecker" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173946
[17:11] <ubotu> New bug: #173947 in efax-gtk (universe) "Merge efax-gtk 3.0.16-1 from debian " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173947
[17:16] <ubotu> New bug: #173948 in sing (universe) "[CVE-2007-6211] sing in debian is vulnerable" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173948
[17:16] <ubotu> New bug: #173949 in ubuntu "Printing on my HP4650 always chooses wrong format and tray" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173949
[17:25] <ubotu> New bug: #173950 in ubiquity (main) "Keyboard layout choice in installer confusing" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173950
[17:36] <ubotu> New bug: #173951 in evolution (main) "On startup Evolution crashes" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173951
[17:36] <ubotu> New bug: #173952 in totem (main) "[hardy] ogg files do not start playing in mozilla plugin" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173952
[17:41] <ubotu> New bug: #173953 in k3b-i18n (main) "k3b-i18n should be split or included in language-pack-kde-*" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173953
[17:45] <ubotu> New bug: #173954 in partman "Installer deletes entire disk without warning" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173954
[18:07] <ubotu> New bug: #173957 in ubuntu "Random reboot" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173957
[18:07] <ubotu> New bug: #173958 in netfilter-extensions (universe) "build process failes" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173958
[18:07] <ubotu> New bug: #173962 in evince (main) "no display of some text of pdf file" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173962
[18:08] <ubotu> New bug: #173955 in blackbox (universe) "Merge blackbox 0.70.1 from debian" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173955
[18:08] <ubotu> New bug: #173956 in ubuntu ""The applet apparence does not change the desktop background"" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173956
[18:08] <ubotu> New bug: #173959 in xorg (main) "X server ignoring FontPath directive" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173959
[18:08] <ubotu> New bug: #173960 in ubuntu "Screen Goes Black After Attempt To Run Apt-Get Install On Ubuntu Server 7.10" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173960
[18:32] <ubotu> New bug: #173969 in language-pack-de (main) ""Erscheinungsbild" dialogue has a spelling mistake" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173969
[18:33] <ubotu> New bug: #173965 in samba (main) "Samba Folder Attributes Copy Fail" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173965
[18:33] <ubotu> New bug: #173966 in firefox (main) "java not working in firefox on kubuntu 8.04" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173966
[18:33] <ubotu> New bug: #173967 in samba (main) "Samba Folder Attributes Copy Fail" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173967
[18:33] <ubotu> New bug: #173968 in openoffice.org (main) "openoffice cannot open a file from a samba server on all kubuntu releases" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173968
[18:34] <ubotu> New bug: #173964 in samba (main) "Samba Folder Attributes Copy Fail" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173964
[18:39] <ubotu> New bug: #173971 in gtk+2.0 (main) "libgtk2.0 crashes at execution; gtk+2.0_2.12.2-1 OK" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173971
[18:41] <ubotu> New bug: #173973 in network-manager (main) "NetworkManager restarted on Ubuntu update - connections and transfers are lost" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173973
[18:51] <ubotu> New bug: #173975 in gnome-games (main) "Glchess doesn't apply correctly chess rules" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173975
[19:00] <ubotu> New bug: #173977 in network-manager (main) "Network-Manager safe-upgrade failed" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173977
[19:36] <ubotu> New bug: #173979 in ubuntu "[kubuntu] gnome language pack missing" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173979
[20:16] <ubotu> New bug: #174002 in glibc (main) "asks termnal question on dapper->hardy upgrade" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174002
[20:17] <ubotu> New bug: #174003 in samba (main) "Install Samba 3.0.26a-lubuntu fails on R 8.04 (hardy)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174003
[20:20] <ubotu> New bug: #174004 in kubuntu-meta (main) "kubuntu-desktop metapackage has unresolved dependencies" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174004
[20:30] <ubotu> New bug: #174006 in pcsx (universe) "After running pcsx, the keyboard repeat will stop working" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174006
[20:50] <ubotu> New bug: #174008 in ubuntu "Ubuntu Gusty Bibbon Live CD Fails to load, returns errors" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174008
[21:00] <ubotu> New bug: #174010 in ubuntu "Free ShipIt Kubuntu "Gutsy" Install Wants to Upgrade to Gutsy?" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174010
[21:07] <ubotu> New bug: #99646 in ubuntu "Login then Gnome crashes" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/99646
[21:16] <ubotu> New bug: #174011 in banshee (universe) "Banshee won't correctly sync to 2nd generation ipod shuffle." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174011
[21:16] <ubotu> New bug: #174012 in digikam (main) "digikam crashes when using light table" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174012
[21:25] <ubotu> New bug: #174014 in mozilla-firefox-adblock (universe) "Merge mozilla-firefox-adblock 0.5.3.043-4 (universe) from Debian (unstable)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174014
[21:25] <ubotu> New bug: #174015 in linux-source-2.6.22 (main) "keyboard / log off / shutdown stop working intermittently (bcm43xx related?)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174015
[21:31] <ubotu> New bug: #174016 in epiphany "Middleclick on boomark openes the new tab in the background" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174016
[21:31] <ubotu> New bug: #174017 in command-not-found (main) "command-not-found crashes when string "NULL" is entered" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174017
[21:40] <ubotu> New bug: #174018 in ndisgtk (universe) "Kubuntu ndisgtk menu entry cannot start due to bad argument" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174018
[21:40] <ubotu> New bug: #174019 in evince (main) "evince printout doesn't work but lp command does" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174019
[21:51] <ubotu> New bug: #174021 in tzdata (main) "tzdata2007j released to address change in .ve" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174021
[21:51] <ubotu> New bug: #174022 in alsa-driver (main) "Feisty Fawn: No sound on compaq v3000 laptop after hibernate" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174022
[22:06] <ubotu> New bug: #174020 in decibel-audio-player (universe) "decibel-audio-player.py crashed with DBusException in __new__()" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174020
[22:08] <wolfger> hello
[22:11] <ubotu> New bug: #174024 in update-manager (main) "update-manager shows wrong changelog" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174024
[22:11] <ubotu> New bug: #174028 in ubuntu "[Sync request] Sync kic (2.4a-1) from Debian non-free" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174028
[22:28] <bdmurray> wolfger: hey! how is it going?
[22:31] <wolfger> good bdmurray. I just had a question on how I should mark a bug's status.
[22:32] <Kmos> bug 162901
[22:32] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 162901 in ubuntu "Planet Ubuntu lacks author div ids" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/162901
[22:33] <wolfger> bdmurray: in the absence of any fast response, I decided on "fix released". Bug is https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/adept/+bug/164139
[22:33] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 164139 in adept "adept manager crashes after downloading some package. This is the bug's report" [Undecided,Fix released]
[22:34] <Kmos> who take care of planet ubuntu ?
[22:35] <usien_> hi all
[22:35] <ubotu> New bug: #163032 in compiz (main) "compiz.real crash report as live DVD desktop starts" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163032
[22:36] <bdmurray> wolfger: "fix released" is fine however usually if I can not root cause the bug but is magically fixed I use Invalid
[22:36] <usien_> ny1 here?
[22:37] <wolfger> ok. I decided on fixed because I had same/similar problem myself some time back, but I was wondering if it should be invalid
[22:37] <wolfger> hello usien
[22:37] <usien_> hi wolfger
[22:37] <usien_> am new here
[22:37] <usien_> just joined the bugsquad
[22:37] <usien_> at launchpad
[22:38] <usien_> can someone help a bit
[22:39] <Kmos> bdmurray: bug 162901 - do you know where to address it ?
[22:39] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 162901 in ubuntu "Planet Ubuntu lacks author div ids" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/162901
[22:41] <bdmurray> usien_: What in particular do you need help with?
[22:42] <usien_> just a bit guidance
[22:42] <usien_> on how to proceed further
[22:42] <wolfger> usien_: I'm pretty new here myself. I trust you've read the info on the wiki?
[22:42] <usien_> i need help in how to help you people :)
[22:42] <usien_> oh ok
[22:42] <usien_> yes i have read that
[22:42] <usien_> how to start triaging bugs
[22:43] <usien_> have you started doing that
[22:44] <wolfger> yes. I just go to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.searchtext=&orderby=-datecreated&search=Search&field.status%3Alist=New&field.assignee=&field.owner=&field.omit_dupes=on&field.has_patch=&field.has_no_package=on and look for bugs I can determine a package for
[22:44] <bdmurray> usien_: We have a list of bugs without a package listed at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20071205 .  That might be a good starting point
[22:44] <wolfger> well, that's a shorter URL ;-)
[22:44] <usien_> ok
[22:44] <bdmurray> That page also includes some documentation about finding the right package
[22:44] <usien_> thanx a lot
[22:44] <usien_> when does the hug day start
[22:45] <bdmurray> I think now in Australia
[22:45] <usien_> ok
[22:45] <usien_> are there different channels for that?
[22:45] <bdmurray> Kmos: I'm not certain but https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PlanetUbuntu might be helpful
[22:46] <Kmos> bdmurray: thanks
[22:46] <bdmurray> Nope, this is the right channel
[22:47] <bdmurray> usien_: so if you have a question about a specific bug feel free to ask
[22:48] <usien_> ok thanx
[22:49] <usien_> this is my first time here so i am just getting used to it and rite now checking the bugs without packages
[22:49] <usien_> can i just pick any bug i like and start working in it
[22:49] <bdmurray> absolutely, if you want to walk through one step by step we could do that
[22:50] <usien_> sure
[22:50] <usien_> i wud luv to
[22:51] <Kmos> bug 162788
[22:51] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 162788 in ubuntu "Request for explicit warnings/messages on package transitions b/n releases" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/162788
[22:52] <bdmurray> usien_: okay, do you want to pick a bug then?
[22:52] <usien_> if you know an easy one plz tell me otherwise i'll pick
[22:53] <usien_> i have to pick one from here rite? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20071205
[22:54] <bdmurray> usien_: lets look at 172396
[22:54] <bdmurray> er bug 172396
[22:54] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 172396 in ubuntu "no audio with card intel82801g ich7 family" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172396
[22:55] <usien_> rite am there
[22:56] <ubotu> New bug: #174031 in ubuntu "[hardy] gdm does auth. but no more" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174031
[22:56] <ubotu> New bug: #174032 in lvm2 (main) "lvresize fails attempting to call fsadm with --resizefs parameter" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174032
[22:56] <ubotu> New bug: #174033 in serpentine (main) "Serpentine ignores "Add two seconds" preference" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174033
[22:56] <bdmurray> So drivers for sound cards are provided by the kernel.  Is there any indication in that bug as to what kernel they are using?
[22:57] <usien_> 2.6.22-14-generic?
[22:58] <bdmurray> Right, so the package in this case would be linux-source-2.6.22
[22:58] <bdmurray> Additionally there is a whole page in the ubuntu wiki dealing with debugging sound problems
[22:59] <mgunes> hi all
[22:59] <bdmurray> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingSoundProblems and we want the information from the reporting sound bugs section
[22:59] <bdmurray> mgunes: hello
[22:59] <usien_> mgunes hi
[22:59] <mgunes> just kicked three bugs off the list
[22:59] <bdmurray> awesome! thanks for helping out
[23:00]  * mgunes looks for more
[23:00] <usien_> ur 23meg rite?
[23:00] <usien_> *mgunes
[23:00] <mgunes> yes
[23:00] <usien_> i just read ur interview ;)
[23:00] <mgunes> ah, cool :)
[23:01] <usien_> bdmurray: shud i report the package then?
[23:01] <bdmurray> usien_: right you would want to change the package you can do this by clicking on the downwards arrow type thing on the right hand side of the yellow line
[23:01] <bdmurray> This will also present some other areas you can change
[23:02] <bdmurray> Like setting the Status to Incomplete, adding a comment asking for debug information and the checkbox for e-mail me changes
[23:02] <usien_> yes
[23:03] <usien_> shud i set the status to incomplete?
[23:04] <bdmurray> Yes, since we don't have all the information we need the status should be Incomplete
[23:05] <usien_> shud i keep assigned to no boady?
[23:05] <bdmurray> usien_: that is correct you can learn more about assignment at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Assignment
[23:06] <bdmurray> For the most part people will assign bugs to themselves when they are fixing them
[23:07] <usien_> ok thanx a lot
[23:08] <usien_> so now i have triaged that bug?
[23:09] <mgunes> bdmurray, /Bugs/HowToTriage recommends that we assign bugs to ourselves when triaging though
[23:10] <wolfger> bdmurray: I picked up 163585 and discovered it already had a package assigned (adept), but I think it might actually belong to a different package (xfce). Advice?
[23:10] <bdmurray> usien_: I don't see that you actually asked for additional debugging information though
[23:10] <bdmurray> bug 163585
[23:10] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 163585 in adept "adept manager cannot run in Xfce intalled in Kubuntu" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163585
[23:11] <bdmurray> mgunes: thanks, I'll update that page
[23:11] <usien_> What kind of further information should i ask for
[23:11] <ubotu> New bug: #106614 in ubuntu "zip drive doesnt exist" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/106614
[23:12] <bdmurray> usien_: the information detailed at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DebuggingSoundProblems#head-b6a8376cdf0f686715eda6c8d393479f5502a559
[23:12] <mgunes> bdmurray, thank you too; I've been puzzled about this for a while
[23:13] <bdmurray> mgunes: Assigning it to yourself was the best way at the time to be able to find the bugs you had asked for more information about
[23:13] <bdmurray> Now there are some new feature in Launchpad that allow you to find bugs you have commented on which helps
[23:13] <mgunes> right
[23:15] <ubotu> New bug: #174034 in texmacs (universe) "Sync texmacs 1.0.6.11-2 (universe) from Debian (unstable)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174034
[23:16] <mgunes> bdmurray, the standard GNOME documentation for the capplets is part of ubuntu-docs, right?
[23:18] <bdmurray> mgunes: I'm not certain but dpkg -L ubuntu-docs might be helpful
[23:21] <bdmurray> wolfger: I think there is a xubuntu-meta package and that is where I have been putting xubuntu specific bugs
[23:23] <usien_> bdmurray can you please check the bug now
[23:23] <usien_> i have requested more info
[23:28] <bdmurray> usien_: looks good - now you have triaged the bug!
[23:28]  * bdmurray hugs usien_ 
[23:29] <usien_> thanx thats my first bug!!!
[23:29] <mgunes> bdmurray, does the graph in the hug day page show the number of bugs without a package assigned?
[23:31] <bdmurray> mgunes: no it only shows those that are New and w/o a package
[23:31] <ubotu> New bug: #174036 in update-manager (main) "No "new distribution release available" button to upgrade to Gutsy" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174036
[23:36] <mgunes> bdmurray, what do you use to plot it?
[23:38] <bdmurray> mgunes: gnuplot plots the data which is gathered using bughelper but could be done with some python web scraping
[23:40] <mgunes> cool