[05:49] <dholbach> good morning
[06:05] <corevette> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Mobile_and_Embedded_Edition
[07:51] <lool> StevenK: Did you get my question about the changes to modest you did?
[07:51] <lool> StevenK: Is there an initial tarball you started with which I could compare to the .dsc you handed?
[07:52] <lool> StevenK: The idea is to not drop your changes when moving to a new SVN snapshot, yet not to have to search for them in the diff between your snapshot and the new one
[07:53] <StevenK> lool: I can run svn di, which should show you all of the changes I made.
[07:55] <lool> StevenK: Would be nice; are there many changes?
[07:56] <StevenK> lool:  6 files changed, 24 insertions(+), 15 deletions(-)
[07:57] <StevenK> lool: http://wedontsleep.org/~steven/modest.diff
[08:00] <lool> StevenK: Ok; thanks
[08:45] <StevenK> lool: And that's with an up to date svn checkout of modest, too.
[08:47] <lool> StevenK: I needed more changes for some reason
[08:47] <lool> StevenK: Dirk said he merged all the changes I sent yesterday already
[08:47] <lool> Except the ones from my last mail of yesterday evening
[08:52] <StevenK> lool: What other changes?
[08:53] <lool> Misc stuff really
[08:53] <lool>                 my_type = g_type_register_static (TNY_TYPE_MOZ_EMBED_HTML_MIME_PART_VIEW,
[08:53] <lool>                                                   "ModestMozembedMimePartView",
[08:53] <lool> -                                                 &my_info, 0);
[08:53] <lool> +                                                 &my_info, GTypeFlags(0));
[08:53] <lool> That kind of changes
[09:07] <lool> Good summary of the available apps at http://arstechnica.com/reviews/hardware/nokia-n810-review.ars/3
[09:08] <StevenK> lool: Is that on top of my changes?
[09:08] <StevenK> lool: And does yours actually build?
[09:15] <lool> StevenK: Mine built yesterday, yes
[09:21] <lool> StevenK: Concerning tinymail, what's your plan?
[09:21] <lool> StevenK: Philip merged most of our changes he says
[09:22] <lool> And indeed, I only see the LIBTINYMAILUI_MOZEMBED_CFLAGS in configure.ac missing
[09:45] <StevenK> lool: I was going to upload it, and then modest blew up. And then I got distracted. :-)
[09:46] <StevenK> lool: Would you mind sending me what's different between my modest changes and yours?
[09:47] <lool> StevenK: When I've merged them, I will
[10:14] <asac> any update on tinymail/modest :) ?
[10:37] <lool> asac: Well as I said yesterday, it built for me, and StevenK built it this morning as well
[10:37] <lool> Most of my fixes have been merged upstream, except XUL stuff and a couple of warnings which I seem to be the only one to get
[10:48] <asac> ok, does it work?
[10:49] <lool> It shows a dialog before crashing here :)
[10:49] <lool> I'm cleaning up the patches, merging stuff upstream and downstream and midstream and will investigate after that
[10:49] <lool> I found an urgent bug in osso-af-settings though
[10:51] <asac> k
[11:00] <asac> lool: do you have a bt of the crash? is it mozilla related?
[11:06] <lool> asac: I don't have it yet; it was too late yesterday evening
[11:06] <lool> asac: Did you see the Mozilla backtrace by Philip?
[11:06] <lool> StevenK: Ah BTW, you need to change tinymail to build against openssl or nss; philip confirmed this is required
[11:06] <lool> No idea about nspr though
[11:06] <lool> I suppose nspr isn't required per se
[11:06] <StevenK> Change it how?
[11:07] <lool> StevenK: Build-dep on libnss-dev and configure with --mozilla-nss-pc=nss or something similar
[11:07] <lool> Grepping for usage of the nss and nspr pc files would be best
[11:08] <lool> StevenK: You saw Philip's mail, right?
[11:08] <StevenK> lool: I glanced through it.
[11:08] <StevenK> lool: But, right, NSS would be preferable to OpenSSL
[11:10]  * StevenK wonders off to discover the wereabouts of his sister in law.
[11:10] <StevenK> wanders. Oh well
[11:40] <lool> StevenK: Dirk recommended using the gtkhtml frontend, not mozembed; any reason you picked this one and not the other?
[11:45] <lool> StevenK: Cool, Dirk merged *all* my changes in SVN r993!  The only thing I need to build modest is the wp_editor() func, which I know where to find now hehe
[11:49] <StevenK> Way cool.
[11:50] <StevenK> Is there any reason? Nope, not other than the fact that I'd worked to get libtinymail-mozembed working
[11:54] <StevenK> r993 | djcb | 2007-12-04 22:28:07 +1100 (Tue, 04 Dec 2007) | 2 lines
[11:54] <StevenK> * fixes
[11:54]  * StevenK slaughters Dirk
[11:54] <lool> Oh eh, the debian/changelog and the SVN log aren't really useful; I more or less mentionned that to him indirectly, I hope he'll do better
[11:54] <lool> Also, there's no ChangeLog
[11:55] <StevenK> Of course. Because that would be useful in tracking stuff down
[12:00] <lool> StevenK: We shouldn't use libwpeditor-plus at all actually
[12:00] <lool> It seems wpeditor is what we want
[12:01] <StevenK> Hah
[12:01] <lool> I'm not sure whether we need libwpeditor-plus, but I think it's a fork which isn't needed anymore
[12:02] <StevenK> Right.
[12:02] <StevenK> Where does wpeditor hide, then?
[12:03] <lool> I'm still investigating; I found a version in the repository, but I'd like to check whether there's an official SVN
[12:32] <lool> StevenK: So, wpeditor required some porting (I'm on amd64) and some fixes; it just built fine here, but will require packaging cleanup
[12:33] <StevenK> Fair enough
[12:33] <StevenK> Send me a mail with where you found it, and your patches and I'll look at cleaning it up
[12:35] <lool> And modest built  \o/
[12:36] <lool> Some other breakage introduced by last night fixes by Dirk, but nothing too big
[12:36] <lool> StevenK: It seems to me we can drop libwpeditor-plus; I'm confirming with Dirk
[12:36] <StevenK> Excellent.
[12:36] <StevenK> I need to figure out why yours built and mine doesn't?
[12:36] <StevenK> Oh, right -- do I need to do that nasty hack of .c -> .cpp any more?
[12:37] <lool> StevenK: You do because he forgot to commit or to rm the .c file, but the .cpp file is there
[12:38] <lool> And the missing header file is there too
[12:38] <lool> But there's a C issue he introduced
[12:38] <StevenK> Heh
[12:38] <StevenK> I'm pondering blowing away my tree and reintroducing the changes
[12:38] <lool> StevenK: The changes to build modest SVN are: 1) MODEST_MOZEMBED_CFLAGS, 2) rm src/widgets/modest-mozembed-mime-part-view.c, 3) src/modest-account-mgr-helpers.c fixes
[12:39] <lool> (replace has_errors ||  with if (!has_errors) )
[12:45]  * lool deserves a lunch break
[12:45] <StevenK> lool: Before you go?
[12:45] <lool> StevenK: Hmm?
[12:45] <StevenK> lool: About your mail, checked how? If they build, or what?
[12:45] <asac_> lool: you sure you can remove the part-view?
[12:45] <lool> StevenK: Yeah, if they use the vars and need a rebuild
[12:46] <StevenK> Ah
[12:46] <lool> asac_: The .c file was renamed .cpp
[12:46] <asac_> lool: right :)
[12:46]  * asac_ lunch as well
[12:46] <StevenK> lool: I'll take -control-panel and -applets, you can check -desktop?
[12:46] <lool> asac_: If you leave the .c file around (like in current SVN), it's confusing automake and it builds two objects or so and it fails to link
[12:46] <lool> StevenK: Yup
[12:46] <lool> StevenK: Might want to wait that osso-af-settings pops up though
[12:47]  * lool hungry &
[12:47] <StevenK> Sure.
[13:18] <jussi01> Hmmm, who are the canonical staff responsible for Ubuntu Mobile? 
[13:18] <lool> re
[13:19] <lool> jussi01: "reponsible"?
[13:20] <jussi01> lool: hehe, who is working on it and who is the project lead/s?
[13:21] <agoliveira> StevenK: ...because lool is smarter than you and knows how to tinker with auto* files?
[13:21] <agoliveira> StevenK: Ooops, old joke.
[13:21] <StevenK> agoliveira: I think I'll have to get you for that
[13:22] <lool> jussi01: The tech lead is Mithrandir; there are many people from canonical giving a hand and some people full time ont he project; it depends on the topic
[13:23] <agoliveira> StevenK: bring a beer when you do! :)
[13:23] <lool> The casual suspects for mobile stuff would be Mithrandir, StevenK, agoliveira I guess
[13:23] <jussi01> lool: ok. How about the business lead?
[13:23] <lool> jussi01: But then we get help from kernel team, from mozilla folks etc.
[13:24] <lool> jussi01: It "depends" :)
[13:24] <StevenK> agoliveira: I was pondering bringing over some .au beer - would we drink it?
[13:24] <lool> jussi01: If you can tell a little more, we can look for proper contact
[13:24] <lool> jussi01: Unless it's private or something?
[13:24] <agoliveira> StevenK: Absolutely!
[13:25] <jussi01> lool: Are you canonical staff?
[13:25] <StevenK> agoliveira: I'll see if I have a room for an 8-pack
[13:25] <StevenK> (The beer I'm thinking of comes in 8-packs, not 6-packs :-)
[13:25]  * lool would be curious to taste Australian beer to, but doesn't want to commit to drinking the full beer
[13:25] <lool> jussi01: I am
[13:25] <StevenK> lool: The stuff I'm planning to bring is *dangerously* smooth
[13:25] <lool> jussi01: But I'm not only working on mobile stuff
[13:26] <lool> StevenK: That's what I suspected
[13:26] <StevenK> Heh
[13:26] <lool> And I'm pretty sure Australien beer flows from bottom to top
[13:26] <lool> Which is why people easily get drunk with this stuff
[13:26] <StevenK> Well, it's also 1.8 standard drinks, which helps
[13:27] <lool> Your country and your beers are too large!
[13:27] <StevenK> Haha
[13:27] <agoliveira> StevenK: I had some great beer-related experiences at LCA in 2002 so I'm all for it :)
[13:27]  * agoliveira misses LCA, not so much the trip itself...
[13:28]  * StevenK grins
[13:28] <agoliveira> specially because of a dork trying to play a didgeridoo at the airport lounge for some 2 or 3 hours...
[13:31] <agoliveira> The trip was Joinville/São Paulo/Buenos Aires/Wellington/Brisbane and the return Brisbane/Sidney/Wellington/Buenos Aires/São Paulo/Curitiba/Joinville (last part by bus). Not fun at all.
[13:31] <StevenK> I bet
[13:31]  * StevenK gets impatient for Eyas to mail him
[13:32] <agoliveira> Oh, and a gentleman died of a heart atack right in front of me at Wellington's airport lounge.
[13:33] <StevenK> !
[13:33] <agoliveira> Yeah, as I said, this trip was no fun at all...
[13:36] <lool> agoliveira: What did you do to the poor guy?  "boo!"?
[13:38] <StevenK> Hah
[13:38] <agoliveira> lool: He was an old guy that passed running for some reason. After a few minutes, he returned and sat just in front of me, gasping for air (from the running I suppose). He quiet down, started to read a magazine and a few minutes later, he simply dropped the magazine and felt on his side. Me and another guy ran to help, tried CPR while the airport staff came to help with defribilators and everything, worked on him for about 30 minut
[13:39] <lool> agoliveira: Cut at "30 minut"
[13:39] <agoliveira> ...worked on him for about 30 minutes but was too late.
[13:40]  * agoliveira -> lunch
[13:44] <lool> agoliveira: Ah, it seems we all have to die at some point
[13:44] <StevenK> lool: I've done the 3 things to modest. So it should build?
[13:44] <lool> agoliveira: (I'm not saying this because you're heading off to lunch)
[13:44] <lool> StevenK: It should... with wpeditor
[13:45] <StevenK> Which you still haven't mailed me about! :-P
[13:46] <davidm> agoliveira, I'm in 
[13:49] <lool> davidm: 14:40  * agoliveira -> lunch
[13:49] <lool> That was 10 mns ago or so
[13:49] <lool> StevenK: Hehe
[13:49] <lool> StevenK: I'd like to clarify where it's hosted
[13:50] <lool> StevenK: I can hand you a .dsc for you to test
[13:50] <davidm> lool, thanks, yea I saw that, just wanted him to know I was in, he wanted to talk with me.
[13:50] <lool> StevenK: I'm not confident with one change to the source, but it should only affect the runtime
[13:51] <StevenK> lool: If you don't get any clarification soon, mail me a link to the .dsc
[13:51]  * StevenK is going to chat to Colin about daily mobile builds
[13:52] <lool> StevenK: http://people.ubuntu.com/~lool/packages/wpeditor/2.12-0ubuntu1/hardy/wpeditor_2.12-0ubuntu1.dsc
[13:52] <lool> StevenK: So that you can play with modest
[13:53] <lool> StevenK: I'd suggest not working on wpeditor until we clarify
[13:53] <StevenK> I'll build it only
[15:02] <agoliveira> lool: About the guy who died, we have a saying here that roughly translated "the turkey don't die the day before (the dinner)". Day in day out you can read about people that survive disasters with minor scratches while some just trip on the shoelace, hit the head and die on the spot so yes, it was really that guy's turn.
[17:50] <lool> StevenK: So I got confirmation that we can drop libwpeditor-plus, it was used "during the time there were no proper releases available"
[17:51] <lool> StevenK: I mailed my first round of fixes to wpeditor; they are looking to move to a SCM
[17:52] <lool> StevenK: The current place to get wpeditor is http://repository.maemo.org/pool/chinook/free/w/wpeditor/
[18:19] <raji> asac, you there?