[08:05] <Bauer> i just copied the home directory of a template-user to /etc/skel
[08:05] <Bauer> now when, I try to crate a new user, it hangs for 10 seconds, and the user is not created..
[08:06] <Bauer> I have tryed sabayon, but it just crashes...
[08:11] <bettong> how are you adding a new user?
[08:11] <Bauer> System - Administration - users and groups
[08:12] <bettong> ok. open up a terminal, i'll ask you to run some commands
[08:12] <bettong> then i'll disapear for dinner, and hope your here in 40 minutes :)
[08:13] <Bauer> ok
[08:13] <bettong> try running `adduser newusername`, does it give any errors?
[08:14] <bettong> then `ls -lhd /etc/skel` and `ls -lAh /etc/skel/`
[08:14] <bettong> the two ls commands should go to a pastebin
[08:14] <bettong> !pastebin
[08:14] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[08:14] <Bauer> hmm.. it says that the _group_ student01 already exists...
[08:15] <bettong> oh, and `ls -lAh /home/`
[08:15] <bettong> pastebin to please :)
[08:15] <bettong> have you created / tried to create that user before?
[08:15] <bettong> sorry, afk. back in ~45 min, good luck. if your /etc/skel/* isnt owned by root, chown it to root
[08:16] <Bauer> yes, maybe that is the problem ;) i have created that user before, and deleted it
[08:16] <bettong> deluser and delgrp to remove stuf :)
[08:16] <bettong> afk
[08:16] <Bauer> thanks, tried now with a random username, which worked :)
[08:50] <bettong> Bauer, so your problem is probably prexisting stuff for the user you've [half] created ;)
[08:50] <bettong> s/;)/:)
[08:50] <Bauer> yes, I've fixed it now :)
[08:51] <Bauer> but am I the only one with sabayon-problems?
[08:51] <Bauer> if I for example try to change anything under System - Preferences - Sessions, sabayon crashes..
[08:55] <Nurionn> thx Bauer, had just the same error (user created -> deleted -> could not been created anew)
[08:56] <Nurionn> but sabayon I don't know, I used 'System - Administration - users and groups'
[08:58] <bettong> how did you delete the users? (both of you)
[08:59] <bettong> Bauer, run sabayon from your terminal. it might print out some debug info when it crasehs
[08:59] <bettong> *crashes
[08:59] <Nurionn> don't know, I think it was a test... ;)
[09:00] <Nurionn> can you tell me, why the users are not in an alphabetic order (in System - Administration - users and groups )
[09:00] <Nurionn> =
[09:00] <Nurionn> ?
[09:01] <bettong> no i cant.
[09:02]  * bettong doesnt use those tools :)
[09:02] <Nurionn> which tool do you use insteed?
[09:02] <bettong> adduser
[09:02] <bettong>  / deluser / gpasswd
[09:02] <Nurionn> hmm... (I should have known :))
[09:03] <bettong> hehe :)
[09:03] <Nurionn> can you set there the same password for multiple users?
[09:04] <bettong> not per se.
[09:04] <Nurionn> I've here 2 classrooms with thinclients and we would like to create a user per machine, because there are different classes who uses these rooms
[09:04] <bettong> 'passwd username` <put in password> -> open /etc/shadow -> <copy passwd to relevent lines> (i might script it with sed, but thats the rough idea)
[09:05] <Nurionn> so they can share the same user (in fact they only need the machines for surfing/writing texts...)
[09:06] <bettong> what sharing user? the client or the child?
[09:08] <Nurionn> e.g. client one is named 'lese01' -> now I want a user 'lese01' and every person that uses this client uses the user 'lese01'
[09:09] <bettong> not sure how you would bind users to a particular terminal.
[09:10] <Nurionn> hoping they use the correct user :D
[09:10] <bettong> :)
[09:11] <Nurionn> I'm not teacher, thats not my problem -> but they use these rooms rarely and we don't want to create ~1k users...
[09:11] <bettong> 1k users==ldap job ;)
[09:12] <bettong> are you going for a general kiosk feel, or each student has a set terminal to sit at?
[09:12] <Nurionn> he can sit where he like to
[09:14] <bettong> hm. you want kiosk mode. not dealt with it myself though, so i cant help much
[09:14] <Bauer> is there any way to make schooltool work? if not, are there good alternatives?
[09:14] <Nurionn> we tought to create useres 'lese01' to 'lese24' (and same for the other room)
[09:16] <bettong> Bauer, whats that? *heh*
[09:16] <Bauer> http://www.schooltool.org/ it is in the edubuntu repository,, ogra said it was broken yesterday
[09:19] <bettong> ah, i havent heard about that
[09:19] <Bauer> ok :)
[09:20] <Bauer> another thing - is there a way to set a random 8-char password on several users, and get an output to a text file?
[09:21] <bettong> theres password generating tools available in apt, not sure how they work though
[09:21] <bettong> that or DIY ;)
[09:27] <Bauer> have tried some of them, they just spit out passwords in the terminal,, would be nice to make it set the password for users automatic
[09:28] <Nurionn> now I tried to add the users with 'useradd' but they don't have any privileges (couldn't log on a thinclient).
[09:28] <Nurionn> ist there another command to do that?
[09:31] <bettong> Bauer, set automatic in whta way?
[09:31] <bettong> no no no!
[09:31] <bettong> *adduser*
[09:31] <bettong> *never* useradd
[09:33] <Bauer> bettong: so that I can run a command which set a random password on x number of users automatic, and also get the result in a text file or in the terminal. now i just get an output in the terminal, and would have to set the password for each user manually
[09:33] <bettong> looked at libpam-pwdfile - PAM module allowing authentication via an /etc/passwd-like file
[09:33] <bettong> libpam-pwgen - a password generator
[09:33] <bettong> :
[09:44] <Nurionn> little problem:
[09:45] <Nurionn> I deleted ALL content from /home/ -> what to do?
[09:47] <bettong> hope you have backups :)
[09:48] <Nurionn> I cloned the vmware-machine...
[09:51] <Nurionn> apparently it was good to do so.
[09:52] <bettong> hehe
[09:56] <Nurionn> vmware is great, now I've anew a running system
[11:25] <pips1> how come edubuntu doesn't feature on the fridge calendar anymore?
[11:25] <pips1> what time will today's meeting take place?
[11:26] <ogra> the early one (in 1h ??)
[11:26] <ogra> err 30 min
[11:27] <RichEd> yep ... early one
[11:27] <RichEd> pips1: laserjock will addd the events ... i needs to send him an email ... will try to do that today
[11:29] <pips1> oh, meeting in 30 mins. ok.
[11:30] <riot_le> hi, i am having trouble gegtting
[11:34] <riot_le> hi, i am having trouble getting the dhcp server up. when i try /etc/init.d/dhcp3-server start this fails. i used the example config in /etc/ltsp/. in /var/log/syslog i get "no subnet declaration for eth0. i added "interface "eth0"; no change. also DHCPD_INTERFACE="etho"; does not help.
[11:35] <riot_le> if anyone could help me that would be greatl.
[11:36] <ogra> dont change /etc/default
[11:36] <stgraber> ogra: funny, using "gnome-session-save --kill" closes the gnome session on a thin client but shows the session logout box on a desktop computer :)
[11:37] <stgraber> I'll need to find a better way to logout for my next italc upload ...
[11:37] <ogra> stgraber, pretty sure it checks gdm
[11:37] <stgraber> gdm-signal also doesn't seem to work here (I'm testing with Feisty at the moment)
[11:37] <ogra> did you try setting --display ?
[11:37] <riot_le> i dont touch /etc/default
[11:38] <ogra> riot_le, " i added "interface "eth0"; no change. also DHCPD_INTERFACE="etho""
[11:38] <ogra> thats what you just wrote
[11:38] <ogra> dont do that
[11:38] <stgraber> ogra: ica is running as a session script, so DISPLAY is set correctly, on a real client : "gdm-signal" just doesn't do anything and gnome-session-save shows the logout window
[11:39] <ogra> just make sure to have a proper static interface with an IP that matches the range you defined in /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf
[11:39] <stgraber> ogra: I like KDE on that point, I have 3 different dcop signal to send an that's all :)
[11:39] <ogra> check for LTSP_CLIENT so you can have two different ways
[11:40] <ogra> LTSP_CLIENT is always set in ltsp sessions
[11:41] <riot_le> i did not insert both at the same time ;-)
[11:42] <stgraber> yes, but gdm-signal and gnome-session-save --kill don't work on a real desktop PC (no thin client), that's my current problem :)
[11:43] <stgraber> "gnome-session-save --kill" correctly kills gnome on a thin client (gdm-signal doesn't work, I'm waiting for local apps to have shutdown/reboot working)
[11:47] <ogra> riot_le, just revert that change, make it DHCPD_INTERFACE="" as it used to be, then make sure the interface has the right ip and try again
[11:47] <stgraber> argh, irssi crash
[11:49] <ogra> hardy ?
[11:49] <stgraber> feisty server
[11:49] <ogra> oh
[11:50] <riot_le> that doesnt help, it fails again
[11:50] <ogra> put your /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf and the output of the ifconfig -a command on paste.ubuntu-nl.org and point me to the paste ...
[11:51] <ogra> ************ Reminder, edubuntu meeting in #ubuntu-meeting in 10 min ************
[11:52] <riot_le> im on another pc, can't paste now cause i dont have internet @ the server
[11:53] <ogra> use a usb key :)
[11:53] <ogra> ifconfig -a >ifconfig.txt (then copy it over)
[11:53] <riot_le> i have temporari no usb key avivable
[11:54] <ogra> riot_le, hmm, hard to help then :)
[11:54] <riot_le> i will ask if someone other here has a key
[11:56] <ogra> ************ Reminder, edubuntu meeting in #ubuntu-meeting in 5 min ************
[11:56] <riot_le> which file does the dhcp server use? i think it's /etc/dhcp3/dhcpd3.conf. what use is /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf?
[11:57] <ogra> /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf is used by default
[11:57] <riot_le> /etc/dhcpd.conf
[11:57] <ogra> (if it exists)
[11:57] <ogra> (which is the case if you have ltsp installed)
[11:57] <riot_le> ok, that is an important info. i tested ltsp on a debian etch box recently and this file appeared to be ignored.
[11:57] <ogra> yeah
[11:58] <ogra> etch is a) very old ltsp implementation, debian needs some time to port our stuff every time b) not using the patched dhcpd
[11:58] <ogra> their dhcpd requites a lot more configuration all over
[11:58] <ogra> *requires
[11:59] <ogra> hile ours only exects an interface with IP from the 192.168.0.X range to work out of the box (as explained on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall)
[12:00] <ogra> *while
[12:00] <riot_le> according to the log it does ignore the file in /etc/ltsp. the log sais "the subnet declaration for eth0 (192.168.50.118) ... which is the value i am using in the conf. but i just replaced /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf and will try.#
[12:01] <ogra> hmm, why did you replace it ?
[12:01] <ogra> just change 192.168.0 to 192.168.50 everywhere in the default file
[12:01] <riot_le> ok working
[12:02] <ogra> good
[12:02]  * riot_le notes: if ltsp is used, use that conf, not the old dhcp's. ;-)
[12:02] <riot_le> thank you
[12:02] <ogra> but please mention exactly that you replaced the file in case you need further support later so suporters know they dont deal with the easy default file
[12:03] <ogra> (i might remembr that but others wont know and assume the default :) )
[12:03] <ogra> ************ Reminder, edubuntu meeting in #ubuntu-meeting NOW ************
[12:03] <riot_le> i trying to restart the dhcp-server now
[12:16] <Nurionn> where can I find freemind (apparently the
[12:17] <Nurionn> which repository must I add?
[12:31] <Nurionn> ah I think I found them.
[12:33] <ogra> Nurionn, sorry we're all in #ubuntu-meeting in the weekly edubuntu meeting
[12:34] <ogra> i think its in multiverse since its still depending in the nonfree java
[12:34] <stgraber> Nurionn: it's in multiverse
[12:35] <stgraber> Nurionn: it's in multiverse since Gutsy
[12:36] <ogra> should move to universe once icedtea java is done :)
[12:48] <Nurionn> no problem, I found functional repositories in the ubuntu-forum (http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=348920)
[12:49] <Nurionn>  deb http://eric.lavar.de/comp/linux/debian/ experimental/
[12:49] <Nurionn>  deb-src http://eric.lavar.de/comp/linux/debian/ experimental/
[12:50] <Nurionn> now I could install with 'sudo apt-get install freemind'
[12:56] <ogra> ouch, be careful thats a debian repo
[12:57] <ogra> it might break your system if there is other stuff in it
[12:57] <Nurionn> what would you counsel instead?
[13:03] <stgraber> ogra: I'm reading the eeePC specs, it has L2 cache !!! :), hardware looks good, just have to wait for a bit for the price to get a bit lower
[13:04] <Bauer> is it much work to have several servers working in a cluster?
[13:06] <stgraber> not really, you'll just need a central server for authentication/home directory
[13:06] <stgraber> then the others to use it for authentication and mounting /home
[13:08] <Bauer> ok. i have one server ready, and some of the schools here can try it if they want. if they like it, we will probably set up more and let all the schools use it :)
[13:08] <stgraber> load-balancing can be done with ldm (IIRC) or using things like DNS (and multiple A record)
[13:08] <Bauer> is there a guide for managing edubuntu cluster-mode some place?
[13:09] <stgraber> I don't know, but there are for LDAP auth server and shared /home directory, that's basically what you'll need
[13:09] <stgraber> (and some scripts to syncronise the package lists between the servers)
[13:11] <Bauer> ok. i guess you will be hearing from me later :p
[13:12] <ogra> there is a wikipage for failover clustering from dtrask, i dont know the url though
[13:13] <Nurionn> ogra: I comment these lines now out with a #, for I don't think I will need them for a while
[13:13] <stgraber> I played a bit with LDAP auth recently and it's lot easier with Gutsy than it was before :)
[13:13] <ogra> Nurionn, yeah, thats safer
[13:15]  * Nurionn writes down, what he had done on his server. (just in case...)
[13:30] <Nurionn> I have just the Problem, that my ThinClient can't access their usb-key, and I found out, that it was because of the rights in (System - Administration - users and groups)
[13:30] <ogra> right
[13:31] <Nurionn> can I grant these rights (safe root-privileges) in the console?
[13:31] <ogra> you need to add them to the fuse group
[13:32] <Nurionn> is there a command to do so with multiple users?
[13:39] <ogra> Nurionn, uid=$(cat /etc/passwd|cut -d ':' -f3);for id in $uid;do if [ "$id" -gt "1000" ] ;then user=$(grep $id /etc/passwd|cut -d ':' -f1|grep -v nobody); sudo adduser $user fuse ;fi ;done
[13:39] <ogra> copy and paste that line
[13:40] <ogra> note that will add *all* users above uid 1000 to fuse
[13:40] <ogra> (below 100 are the system users)
[13:40] <ogra> *1000
[13:41] <Nurionn> I started with my users at uid 1011, I will take this number in your skript...
[13:45] <Nurionn> i've errors for the first 8 users:
[13:45] <Nurionn> adduser: Nur ein oder zwei Namen erlaubt.
[13:45] <Nurionn> (-> only one or two names allowed)
[13:45] <ogra> well add them manually then :)
[13:45] <ogra> its only 8 :)
[13:45] <ogra> instead of *all* now
[13:46] <ogra> (that script was quickly hacked down from the top of my head, no error catching here apart from adduser ;) )
[13:47] <stgraber> Nurionn: you have accounts with space in their username ? (trying to understand the adduser error)
[13:47] <Nurionn> no
[13:48] <ogra> stgraber, its likely an error in my line
[13:48] <Nurionn> they're named lese01, lese02, lese03, .... until 24 (and same for other rooms)
[15:03] <bddebian> Heya
[17:33] <Belutz> ogra, ping
[17:33] <ogra> Belutz, hey
[17:33] <Belutz> is there any special way to go into bios in cmpc?
[17:33] <Belutz> hitting "del" and "F11" on boot do nothing :(
[17:35] <johnny_> try f2..
[17:35] <johnny_> hehe
[17:35] <johnny_> no.. i don't know the cmpc
[17:36] <Belutz> :)
[17:53] <ogra> Belutz, i think F10
[17:53] <ogra> i dont have my CMPC around atm
[17:53] <ogra> F11 is the bootdevice selection ...
[17:54] <Belutz> F11 didn't work too
[17:56] <ogra> hmm, del just gets me to the BIOS here
[18:00] <Belutz> is it the keyboard or ... :(
[18:34] <Goosemoose> anyone using a network install and a preseed file with apt-cacher?
[18:35] <Goosemoose> i keep getting told the specified mirror is not available or does not have a valid release file on it
[19:46] <das-t_> good evening, i am new @ edubuntu. i am trying to find a documentation on how to setup a server-client. the client is booting ok over the network, but i cannot log in. do i need to register the machine somewhere? how?
[19:46] <das-t_> i just cannot find the correct howto for that.
[19:46] <johnny> did you setup a user?
[19:47] <das-t_> yes, during install. and i set up a test user uid 1001. and i tried setting up a user in the chroot of /opt/ltsp/i386/
[19:48] <johnny> you don't set it up in the chroot
[19:48] <johnny> the chroot isn't supposed to have any users
[19:48] <johnny> except root for debugging sometimes
[19:48] <das-t_> ok, it was just a try.
[19:49] <das-t_> i do have a test user in the normal system. do i need a special group for it or something?
[19:49] <johnny> no
[19:49] <johnny> i don't think so..
[19:49] <das-t_> though the client sais something like "cannot register themachine" ...
[19:50] <johnny> register? hmm
[19:50] <johnny> that's not enough info
[19:50] <das-t_> ok then. i don't have the system here.
[19:50] <das-t_> mainly i am trying to find a place to read ;-)
[19:50] <das-t_> i might come back then tomorrow when i am at the machines themselves.
[19:51] <ogra> whats the error you get if you try to log in ?
[19:52] <das-t_> someting that makes me suspect i need to register the client somewhere. something like "cannot register machine". that does not sound like there is  a wrong user at all.
[19:52] <das-t_> not wrong password or the like
[19:53] <ogra> this workstation is not authorized ?
[19:53] <das-t_> yes, very possible.
[19:53] <das-t_> how do i authorize it?
[19:54] <ogra> sudo ltsp-update-sshkeys && sudo ltsp-update-image
[19:54] <ogra> i guess you changed your ip after install
[19:54] <das-t_> ok, yes, that is correct
[19:54] <ogra> the client needs to know abut that in its ssh key settings :)
[19:54] <das-t_> ok, i remember i saw a passage about changing the ip
[19:54] <ogra> so the first command copies new keys into place ...
[19:55] <ogra> the second rebuilds an image from your chroot
[19:55] <ogra> (the image is what the clients use by default)
[19:55] <das-t_> but i was obviously too blind to realize i needed that
[19:56] <das-t_> i am all new to ltsp, so thank you very much, i very much believe this is it.
[19:57] <das-t_> thank you very much, i am quite sure you helped. i will try tomorrow.
[19:58] <ogra> btw the edubuntu handbook is the best source for ltsp info ;) its installed by default in the help system in every edubuntu
[19:59] <ogra> (in (k)ubuntu just install the edubuntu-docs package)
[20:00]  * HedgeMage peeks in
[20:00] <HedgeMage> hey, ogra, I was hoping to catch you today.
[20:00] <lns> Ogra! =)
[20:00] <ogra> hey HedgeMage lucky girl you are :) i was about to close the lid :)
[20:00] <das-t_> ok, thank you, i was searching online. the ltsp documentation seems good, but i was too blind. ;-) if you are at an edubuntu, which version of ltsp is inside edubuntu? i am at ltsp.org too right now.
[20:01] <ogra> 5.0.39
[20:01] <HedgeMage> ogra:  I might be recommending an LTSP setup for a local school, and will need to help them decide what hardware to purchase.  Do you have a favorite brand of thin clients?
[20:01] <ogra> its the very latest (ltsp was developed in ubuntu for the last two years, that recently changed)
[20:02] <HedgeMage> I've never shopped for them before
[20:02] <ogra> HedgeMage, http://www.disklessworkstations.com/cgi-bin/web/200104.html?id=zinCjRNS is pretty good , http://www.disklessworkstations.com/cgi-bin/web/200029.html?id=zinCjRNS as well but expensive
[20:03] <das-t_> as a thank you ... i have no clue what kind of music you enjoy, i am just listening to this ... http://www.jamendo.com/de/album/14943/ ... and enjoy it quite a lot. it features a new instrument i saw life not long ago. absolutely fascinating. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hang_(musical_instrument) - if you are interested great, if not take it as my way of saying thank you ;-)
[20:03] <ogra> dont get that one, thats utter crap http://www.disklessworkstations.com/cgi-bin/web/200110.html?id=zinCjRNS
[20:03] <das-t_> thank you and good night
[20:04] <HedgeMage> ogra:  thanks!
[20:04] <ogra> HedgeMage, http://www.koolu.com/content/view/94/241/ is also very good, but has broken Xserver drivers in gutsy
[20:04] <ogra> its the best price for HW you can pay i think
[20:05] <lns> oops, was about to mention koolu =)
[20:05] <HedgeMage> ogra:  thanks :)
[20:06] <ogra> 800Mhz and 512M is pretty good for $199 but it uses an amd chipset which has a broken X in gutsy .... and no solution forseeable yet
[20:06] <lns> also check out http://www.thesymbiont.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=blogcategory&id=80&Itemid=109 - their SYM1110 seems promising, although I haven't tested it yet
[20:09] <HedgeMage> thanks both of you :)
[20:12] <lns> Just passing on the knowledge ;)
[21:12] <airjump> bye and a good n8
[21:33] <jimcooncat> have a regular ltsp setup, finally. I'm using some thin clients, but also want to make use of the environment from my regular fiesty desktop. I'm currenty running vnc4server on the ltsp server, but was wondering what others use for remote access?
[21:43] <johnny> uhmm.. ssl..
[21:43] <johnny> err ssh
[23:19] <ScorpKing> hi guys. if i want to install a LTSP server, which option do i choose from the livecd?