=== tonyy is now known as tonyyarusso [01:46] Hello [02:14] hello all [02:16] can somebody help me with PPA pls ? I did a package build on PPA, called the package mplayer - 2:1.0~rc1-0ubuntu13~ppa2 instead of mplayer - 2:1.0~rc1-0ubuntu13 and did add the "deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/myppa/ubuntu gutsy main universe multiverse" to my source.list. but apt-get-upgrade still install mplayer - 2:1.0~rc1-0ubuntu13 and not my PPA version [02:18] 2:1.0~rc1-0ubuntu13~ppa2 is lower than 2:1.0~rc1-0ubuntu13 [02:18] you need to use 2:1.0~rc1-0ubuntu14~ppa2 [02:18] which means that it'll get replaced by the official 0ubuntu14 release [02:19] oh! [02:19] thanks !! [02:19] it's not easy to understand on the PPA help page. [02:20] any way, many thanks === Fujitsu_ is now known as Fujitsu === Hobbsee_ is now known as Hobbsee [04:49] is there any way to remove my comments from abug? [04:49] no [04:50] oh well [04:50] not without an admin doing it [04:50] hello Hobbsee [04:50] it's not a big deal, it's just incorrect [04:50] heya poolie [04:53] i always think of you of some kind of composite of a tiger and a philosopher, not having met you [04:54] poolie: tiger and philosopher hey? how do you get that? [04:54] Hobbes [04:54] ahh [04:55] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hobbes_%28disambiguation%29 === stu1 is now known as stub [04:55] poolie: you're on the central coast of nsw arent you? [04:55] well, Sydney, which is on the central coast, but normally not described that way [04:55] I've not heard Sydney described that way before [04:55] you? [04:56] about 3km from the harbour bridge [04:56] sydney as well, i thought you were further north [04:56] slacker. [04:56] you shoul dhave come to the release party then. [04:56] oh, i thought you were in england [04:56] and insomniac :) [04:56] or nocturnal [04:56] haha [04:57] i think i'd just arrived back from overseas or something [04:57] well, yeah, i'm somewhat of an insomniac by now, i'm afraid. [04:57] makes uni rather hellish [04:59] * Hobbsee wishes she was in england. [05:00] to be ontopic for a moment [05:00] launchpad seems to be down... [05:01] poolie: edge appears to be. [05:01] no, now it's back. [05:01] right, it's just edge [05:02] either way, you can do more about it than i can. [05:03] * Hobbsee actually looks at teh disambigulation page [05:03] hrm. hope most peopel don't check that ;) [05:17] Hobbsee: It was edge being upgraded. [05:17] We now have dgetting. [05:18] ahhh [05:18] woot! [05:18] does it work? [05:18] Looks like it. [05:19] dgetting? [05:20] * thumper doesn't speak that language [05:21] * Fujitsu FTBFSes, ANAISes, NBSes, etc. [05:23] thumper: man dget. [05:23] thumper: clearly you've done little-to-no packaging work :) [05:23] Hobbsee: no, I've done no packaging at all [05:26] Fujitsu: ANAIS? [05:27] a perfume? a writer? cross references thick and fast today.. [05:28] a Long Pointy Stick of DOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ™ [05:28] Achitecture Not Allowed In Source [05:28] *Architecture [05:36] staging is oopsing.... [05:37] Fujitsu: P-a-S equivalent, or something? [05:37] * Hobbsee wonders why you are doing that, with the invention of p-a-s [05:42] http://xkcd.com/353/ [05:46] \o/ [05:46] * Hobbsee ponders replacing the NT4 systems with ubuntu tonight, just for randomness. [06:21] New bug: #174086 in malone "misspelling in notification message after filing a security bug" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174086 [06:29] poolie: oopsing on what? [06:29] thumper, the code.staging.launchpad.net homepage [06:31] poolie: didn't for me [06:31] it was persistent for me but it's now gone [06:32] thumper, to follow on from jamesh's comment [06:32] from where? [06:32] maybe the note about the version should so [06:32] say [06:32] "Launchpad uses Bazaar 0.92 (for staging.launchpad.net)" etc [06:32] if it's not on the production server [06:32] because they may vary [06:32] uh [06:33] he pointed out somewhere that the version shown there may not be what you get on bazaar.launchpad.net [06:35] poolie: isn't that part of the point of "edge"? [06:35] sure [06:35] um [06:36] so, if i as a launchpad beta tester look at edge [06:36] i'll see it says "launchpad is running bazaar 1.0rc1" [06:36] but, that won't be true for the supermirro [06:36] that's my point [06:36] hmm, yeah [06:36] so when are we going to get the smart server to announce its version? [06:37] i was going to suggest ian do that soon [06:37] so then it'll show it in bzr info [06:37] but, for now [06:37] i just thought mwh could improve the phrasing of that message [06:37] as it's not factually correct at the moment [06:39] if you see what i mean? [06:44] poolie: I'm responsible for the phrasing as is. [06:44] poolie: definitely open to suggestion. [06:45] jml, basically just that, if it's not on the "main" launchpad (is that called production or something else?) [06:45] it should say so [06:45] maybe [06:45] "staging.launchpad.net uses Bazaar 0.92" [06:45] do you see what i mean? [06:48] ok. [06:49] just to avoid confusion [06:53] fair enough === thumper is now known as thumper-afk === \sh_away is now known as \sh [08:32] I hate curl [08:32] Fujitsu? [08:32] kiko-afk: Morning. [08:32] morning [08:32] (wth are you doing up?) [08:33] Fujitsu, can you dget a dsc? [08:33] I'm waiting for the lab to open as I need a blood test [08:33] kiko-afk: I succeeded in doing so about 5 hours ago. [08:33] woo [08:33] that's great news [08:33] Yep. [08:33] I will try and use the same pattern for PPAs and the upload queue then [08:34] Sounds good. [08:34] that was such a fun bug to fix [08:34] That will make things much nicer for grabbing old versions. [08:34] Why? [08:34] because it was very easy [08:34] Ah. [08:35] and almost everything just fell into place [08:35] That's good to know. [08:35] And there's not much that can go wrong with it. [08:35] Thanks. [08:36] it was a pleasure! [08:36] of course [08:36] curl: (77) error setting certificate verify locations: [08:36] CAfile: /etc/ssl/certs/ca-certificates.crt [08:36] CApath: none [08:36] * kiko-afk sighs at curl [08:36] Heh. [08:37] my certs dir is ruined, not sure why [08:37] anyway, off to lab, will bbiab. man am I hungry! [08:37] I got a similar thing on something curlish a while ago, and my certs dir wasn't ruined. [08:37] Bye! [08:37] Have fun :P [09:09] Goooooooooooooooooood morning Launchpadders! [09:11] Hi mpt. === meduxa is now known as toscalix [09:26] Good morning! [09:27] morning mrevell [09:27] this is really confusing [09:28] Help, I'm stuck inside a PibbRelay! [09:32] * Fujitsu is confused. [09:33] :-) [09:34] * Fujitsu is more confused still. [09:34] matsubara: Can you explain? [09:34] Fujitsu, we're trying this new pibb thing (pibb.com) [09:35] Ah, sounds evil. [09:35] inded [09:35] er, indeed [09:35] it's specially confusing if you have a real IRC client logged in and a the pibbrelay [09:35] Heh. [09:39] There's an RSS feed. Imagine the levels of pain during a developer meeting. :p [09:39] \o/ [09:39] * Odd_Bloke is perhaps more excited than he should be. [09:41] ** Fujitsu appears. [09:41] Lag. [09:43] Can we use LP pages as OpenID? [09:43] Not yet. [09:43] That's coming very soon, though. [09:43] It's coming :-) [09:43] ** Rinchen gets back to work. [09:44] You're in #launchpad. That is work, right? === kiko-afk is now known as kiko [09:48] How is the relaying done? [09:50] ahoy [09:50] Odd_Bloke, you just specify a launchpad URL as your login IIRC [09:53] kiko: I've just signed up for myopenid.com and used that. I was actually wondering if the relay is something Pibb provide, because I might be interested in setting up something similar for a couple of other IRC channels. [09:53] Odd_Bloke, you're at the limit of what I know about OpenID now (almost nothing at all). [09:53] jamesh and SteveA and Rinchen know much more [09:55] Odd_Bloke, it utilizes the PibbRelay id to relay irc back and forth to Janrain's Pibb [09:55] Odd_Bloke, it's optional and I was able to request it for testing [09:55] Ah, I see. [09:55] the benefit is that it forces the use of a singular support channel (in this case, this irc channel) [09:56] so you don't fragment [09:56] BUT [09:56] you get to extend the identity aspect of LP (once we enable OpenID) to communications [09:56] it's just an interesting experiment at this point though [09:56] Yeah. [09:58] We've been looking at a few Java applet IRC clients to embed in the University of Warwick Computing Society's website. We haven't really come up with anything of much use, so I was thinking about this as an alternative. [09:59] they are also going to open up APIs and link it to jabber [09:59] so you can sync it with any jabber or QUNU for example [10:13] anyone here working on https://bugs.launchpad.net/malone/+bug/173096 ? [10:13] Launchpad bug 173096 in malone "Misleading "Content-Encoding: gzip" header on downloads" [Critical,Confirmed] - Assigned to Brad Crittenden (bradcrittenden) [10:13] I'm wondering what the status is after the triage last night [10:14] james henstridge made a good suggestion for a short term solution [10:14] wiggy, I would want francis or BjornT to talk to you about that [10:14] there is much we can do when we decide what to try first :) [10:15] are either of them around? [10:16] BjornT should be [10:16] francis I'm not sure is on vacation. do you know Rinchen? [10:16] he's over 22 hours idle [10:17] I talked very briefly with him last night [10:17] I do! [10:17] wiggy, your bug has been triaged and bac is on it [10:17] excellent [10:17] we released plone 2.5.5 yesterday and will release 3.0.4 over the weekend [10:18] so we're getting a lot of downloads now [10:23] wiggy, and bac is already up, so he might keep you posted of what's going on [10:24] excellent [10:29] wiggy: i think the plan is to have an admin modify our apache config today, so that the header won't be added. [10:29] that would be awesome [10:38] hi wiggy. yes, i'm working with our admins and hope to have a solution later today. feel free to ping me if you have questions. [10:38] I don't have any further question [10:56] I ran into something interesting btw [10:57] when I tried to add a URL to a bugreport about that issue launchpad gave an error [10:57] 100% reproducible: URL in the comment -> error [10:59] wiggy, can I have an OOPS ID for that? [10:59] I'm sure I can create a new one [11:00] OOPS-704A824 [11:00] https://devpad.canonical.com/~jamesh/oops.cgi/704A824 [11:02] wiggy, hang on until I can get that OOPS [11:03] no worries, I don't need to add that url to the issue anymore [11:03] it was just interesting to consistently get that error [11:03] well it's not supposed to crash and it might be my fault! [11:03] I changed one thing in the URL matching four days ago on edge [11:04] Why is it matching URLs at all? Just to linkify them? [11:05] does someone know about translation .pot file import policies? I uploaded one in July I think. I uploaded another one today, but it needs admin review. [11:05] I though only 1 .pot file needs admin review [11:07] you can linkify by running through something like plone.intelligentext [11:08] daou: Does it, perchance, have a different nam [11:08] *name? [11:08] same name [11:08] both generated with xgettext [11:08] with identical arguments [11:22] wiggy, ho ho ho [11:22] wiggy, that's a gmb or allenap bug! [11:22] gmb, allenap: https://devpad.canonical.com/~matsubara/oops.cgi/2007-12-05/A824 [11:23] allenap, I think that goes away with aliases though :) [11:24] while I'm here anyway :) [11:24] how long does it normally take before a launchpad bugreport is looked at? [11:24] I was hoping that https://bugs.launchpad.net/malone/+bug/162008 would be an easy fix as well [11:24] Launchpad bug 162008 in malone "invalid Message-Id" [Undecided,New] [11:24] * Fujitsu laughs. [11:24] * Fujitsu goes back to his cave. [11:25] * wiggy finding launchpad emails in his spam folder due to that [11:25] kiko: Yeah, I think that aliases will fix that one. [11:26] wiggy, it can takes seconds to years. it depends on whether we like you. === neversfelde_ is now known as neversfelde [11:43] * Hobbsee waves [12:06] New bug: #174131 in launchpad "Similar "project not setted up for translation" strings displayed" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174131 === salgado is now known as salgado-brb === salgado-brb is now known as salgado === ember_ is now known as ember === kiko is now known as kiko-phone === cprov is now known as cprov-lunch === Profanephobia is now known as profanephobia [15:00] barry: meeting time? [15:00] hello everybody! for the next 45 minutes or so we'll be conducting the americas/europe launchpad reviewers meeting. who's here today? [15:00] me [15:01] flacoste: :) [15:01] me [15:01] me [15:01] me [15:01] me [15:01] me [15:02] mw [15:02] sinzui: ping [15:02] statik: ping [15:02] bac: ping [15:02] me [15:02] me [15:02] == Agenda == [15:02] * Roll call [15:02] * Next meeting [15:02] * Action items [15:02] * Queue status [15:02] * Mentoring update [15:02] * Review process changes [15:02] * On-call reviewer [15:03] * Cover letter [15:03] * Death to [trivial] [15:03] * Tool update [15:03] * Re-combining with Asia``Pac? [15:03] welcome everyone! [15:03] * Next meeting [15:03] week += 1 ? anybody know they can't make it? [15:03] 5 [15:03] 4 [15:03] 3 [15:03] 2 [15:03] 1 [15:03] * Action items [15:04] * Barry to edit him some wikis about on-call procedures [15:04] * barry sucks [15:04] * barry still needs to edit him some wikis [15:04] me [15:04] * bac won't make next week (and only watching with one eye this week) [15:04] * sinzui NEEDED coffee [15:04] bac: np, thanks === Hobbsee_ is now known as Hobbsee [15:05] * Queue status [15:05] can i say how awesome the queue looks now? [15:05] on-call reviewers rocks [15:05] on-call reviewers are amazing [15:05] no branches more than a day old === kiko-phone is now known as kiko [15:05] flacoste: oh yes [15:06] the funny thing is, even doing a full day of on-call reviewing, i feel much more productive than before [15:06] i forgot to look in the general queue when starting. i'll do the one branch that's there later [15:06] on-call seems to be working well [15:06] * intellectronica <3 on call reviews [15:06] i have one concern, but i'll raise that in a second :) [15:06] mwhudson: cool, we'll be there momentarily [15:06] * Mentoring update [15:06] right [15:07] mentors aren't reviewing any branches [15:07] i don't think there's much to say about this [15:07] * ddaa feels concerned about not reviewing anything [15:07] because the on-call reviewing is working excessively awesomely well [15:07] * gmb feels the same as ddaa [15:07] mwhudson: good point :) [15:07] what about having the mentee work with the on-call reviewer? [15:07] gfm [15:07] screen sharing? [15:07] so my idea [15:07] And I cannot spare one fully day to be on-call ATM. [15:07] gmb, ddaa: why don't you take on shifts together with your mentors? [15:07] was that a mentoree should sign up to be on call at the same time as a reviewer [15:07] intellectronica: see previous message :) [15:08] ddaa: it needs to be the whole day [15:08] i have another point, which is that a whole day of being on call is a pretty long time [15:08] it usually doesn't work to a full day. i've done coding last week, and today i have plenty of time too [15:08] more so that your day is in a different tz than barry [15:09] flacoste: i don't understand what you are saying here [15:09] intellectronica: i also found on monday that there was nothing left to review at some point in the day [15:09] I'm tempted to say that I will stop accepting reviews two hours before I stop. [15:09] mwhudson: i meant that the whole day for ddaa doesn't make sense since it doesn't coincide with barry (because of time zones) [15:10] flacoste: but if i had a review or two of ddaa's to mentor at the start of my day, that would be fine [15:10] flacoste: ah [15:10] barry: There was nothing left because I accepted some large branches on Friday. I did them over the weekend, [15:10] So is the team merging stuff in now? [15:10] sinzui: you just have to do that every weekend, then. :) [15:11] Am|Birthday, yep, it is. file a question at https://launchpad.net/launchpad/+addquestion to get teams merged [15:11] and that doesn't merge the users? [15:11] i don't want the users from the one team, i just want all of its bug assignments and such [15:11] so for a proposal: when a reviewer is on call [15:11] so i'm +1 on recruits signing up for on-call coinciding with their mentors [15:11] i did nothing but reviews yesterday and didn't get to them all [15:11] he should consider asking his mentorees to do some of the reviews that come his way? [15:12] mwhudson: we could try that [15:12] Am|Birthday, that's right, members are not carried from one team to the other. (we're in a meeting here, btw) [15:12] bac: but hopefully it evens out statistically in the end [15:12] oh, sorry [15:13] * mwhudson doesn't have any mentorees, so this doesn't affect him too much :) [15:13] intellectronica: sure. just throwing out another data point [15:13] bac: it's fine if you can't get to them all on your day. just kick it to the next on-call reviewer [15:13] you can only do what you can do [15:13] mwhudson: See, the problem is there that you're losing the upside of being an on-call reviewer, which is that you clear your deck deliberately. [15:13] gmb, we can give that a try tomorrow. what do you think? [15:13] barry: did that. [15:13] gmb: true [15:14] salgado: That works for me, but I'd rather treat it as on-call time. If I don't it means that I'm going to be task-switching, which isn't great. [15:15] PPA question, my lpia build is failing for gutsy with packages not avail. Yet 386/64bit are ok and all three in hardy are ok. Anything I can do/should I do to get the lpia working? [15:15] Q: have we reduced the branch size limit? there was some discussion. [15:15] hmm, so there's still some experimentation to be had with mentors + on-calls. perhaps those of us mentoring should contact your recruit and work something out. then let us know how it goes. [15:15] rick_h_: got a link to the build log? [15:15] three on call reviewers tomorrow then, we should blaze through the queue :) [15:15] Hobbsee: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/10746560/buildlog_ubuntu-gutsy-lpia.gnome-do_0.1%7Ebzr101_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz [15:16] mwhudson, good point. it may not be a good idea to have all three of us tomorrow... not sure [15:16] let's see how it goes [15:16] mwhudson: three? are you counting jml? [15:16] barry: no, me, salgado and gmb [15:16] Just to make it clear: I want to do on-call reviews. It's just the logistics need figuring out :) [15:16] mwhudson: oh right :) [15:17] we need more on call reviewers to sign on on other days too. people shouldn't be afraid, it doesn't have to steal all your time [15:17] barry, we need to find another mentor for gmb as I'm leaving on vacation next week. (not sure it is the right time to raise this, though) [15:17] * gmb was going to raise the same point :) [15:17] intellectronica: you mean to sign up for more than one day? [15:17] * barry looks to mwhudson :) [15:17] i can mentor gmb from now until xmas [15:17] mwhudson: awesome, thanks [15:18] (then i'm off for a chunk of time) [15:18] rick_h_: looks like a lpia gutsy build problem (missing deps) [15:18] mwhudson: right! good luck :) [15:18] mwhudson: Thanks :) [15:18] (and not coming back to this meeting, come to think of it) [15:18] bac: no, for reviewers who still haven't signed up at all to sign up for some of the empty slots [15:18] gmb: let us know how it goes, what works, and what doesn't [15:18] barry: Will do. [15:18] Hobbsee: right, but the control file hasn't changed from the last build, the other versions built fine, and the hardy version (only change changelog to hardy and reuploaded) works for lpia [15:18] intellectronica: i thought all eligible reviewers had signed up [15:18] intellectronica: the only reviewers who haven't signed up are team leads [15:18] and maybe jamesh [15:19] and the recruits [15:19] bac, mwhudson: jamesh is signed up, but we want to get the recruits in [15:19] jamesh, is there [15:19] james is on monday [15:19] ah, ok, i am out of date :) [15:19] mwhudson: actually, you're right. guess we simply need more reviewers :) [15:19] intellectronica: +1, though we decided to wait at least to the end of this cycle [15:19] rick_h_: do you care sufficiently about lpia for gutsy? [15:20] * barry wouldn't be adverse to his recruit signing up for a slot [15:20] Hobbsee: honestly not sure. I've not messed with it at all and without lp stats I can't know how many use it ;) [15:20] barry: glad to but not right now [15:20] Hobbsee: I figured I'd see if there was something I can do. New to packaging so maybe this is a "learning" oppertunity [15:20] ddaa: okay. please keep it in mind though. we want to get you some branches to review! [15:21] anything else? [15:21] 5 [15:21] I'm struggling under a couple of items I want to get rolling without distractions. [15:21] 4 [15:21] ddaa: cool [15:21] size limit [15:21] 3 [15:21] has it changed? [15:21] bac: didn't we say 800 lines? [15:21] over that and you need special dispensation [15:22] thanks [15:22] rick_h_: not overly - looks like some stuff hasnt' built yet due to the new stuff in security. [15:22] 2 [15:22] 1 [15:22] * Review process changes [15:22] * On-call reviewer [15:22] actually, the 800 lines wasn't official [15:22] see above :) [15:22] * barry thinks we've covered this [15:22] flacoste: no? [15:22] the official limit is still 2000 [15:22]