[01:46] <jonnymind> Hello
[02:14] <yoyo> hello all
[02:16] <yoyo> can somebody help me with PPA pls ? I did a package build on PPA, called the package mplayer - 2:1.0~rc1-0ubuntu13~ppa2 instead of mplayer - 2:1.0~rc1-0ubuntu13 and did add the "deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/myppa/ubuntu gutsy main universe multiverse" to my source.list. but apt-get-upgrade still install mplayer - 2:1.0~rc1-0ubuntu13 and not my PPA version
[02:18] <Hobbsee> 2:1.0~rc1-0ubuntu13~ppa2 is lower than 2:1.0~rc1-0ubuntu13
[02:18] <Hobbsee> you need to use 2:1.0~rc1-0ubuntu14~ppa2
[02:18] <Hobbsee> which means that it'll get replaced by the official 0ubuntu14 release
[02:19] <yoyo> oh!
[02:19] <yoyo> thanks !!
[02:19] <yoyo> it's not easy to understand on the PPA help page.
[02:20] <yoyo> any way, many thanks
[04:49] <poolie> is there any way to remove my comments from abug?
[04:49] <Hobbsee> no
[04:50] <poolie> oh well
[04:50] <Hobbsee> not without an admin doing it
[04:50] <poolie> hello Hobbsee 
[04:50] <poolie> it's not a big deal, it's just incorrect
[04:50] <Hobbsee> heya poolie 
[04:53] <poolie> i always think of you of some kind of composite of a tiger and a philosopher, not having met you
[04:54] <Hobbsee> poolie: tiger and philosopher hey?  how do you get that?
[04:54] <poolie> Hobbes
[04:54] <Hobbsee> ahh
[04:55] <poolie> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hobbes_%28disambiguation%29
[04:55] <Hobbsee> poolie: you're on the central coast of nsw arent you?
[04:55] <poolie> well, Sydney, which is on the central coast, but normally not described that way
[04:55] <thumper> I've not heard Sydney described that way before
[04:55] <poolie> you?
[04:56] <poolie> about 3km from the harbour bridge
[04:56] <Hobbsee> sydney as well, i thought you were further north
[04:56] <Hobbsee> slacker.
[04:56] <Hobbsee> you shoul dhave come to the release party then.
[04:56] <poolie> oh, i thought you were in england
[04:56] <poolie> and insomniac :)
[04:56] <poolie> or nocturnal
[04:56] <Hobbsee> haha
[04:57] <poolie> i think i'd just arrived back from overseas or something
[04:57] <Hobbsee> well, yeah, i'm somewhat of an insomniac by now, i'm afraid.
[04:57] <Hobbsee> makes uni rather hellish
[04:59]  * Hobbsee wishes she was in england.
[05:00] <poolie> to be ontopic for a moment
[05:00] <poolie> launchpad seems to be down...
[05:01] <Hobbsee> poolie: edge appears to be.
[05:01] <Hobbsee> no, now it's back.
[05:01] <poolie> right, it's just edge
[05:02] <Hobbsee> either way, you can do more about it than i can.
[05:03]  * Hobbsee actually looks at teh disambigulation page
[05:03] <Hobbsee> hrm.  hope most peopel don't check that ;)
[05:17] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee: It was edge being upgraded.
[05:17] <Fujitsu> We now have dgetting.
[05:18] <Hobbsee> ahhh
[05:18] <Hobbsee> woot!
[05:18] <Hobbsee> does it work?
[05:18] <Fujitsu> Looks like it.
[05:19] <thumper> dgetting?
[05:20]  * thumper doesn't speak that language
[05:21]  * Fujitsu FTBFSes, ANAISes, NBSes, etc.
[05:23] <Hobbsee> thumper: man dget.
[05:23] <Hobbsee> thumper: clearly you've done little-to-no packaging work :)
[05:23] <thumper> Hobbsee: no, I've done no packaging at all
[05:26] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: ANAIS?
[05:27] <poolie> a perfume? a writer? cross references thick and fast today..
[05:28] <Hobbsee> a Long Pointy Stick of DOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ™
[05:28] <Fujitsu> Achitecture Not Allowed In Source
[05:28] <Fujitsu> *Architecture
[05:36] <poolie> staging is oopsing....
[05:37] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: P-a-S equivalent, or something?
[05:37]  * Hobbsee wonders why you are doing that, with the invention of p-a-s
[05:42] <poolie> http://xkcd.com/353/
[05:46] <Odd_Bloke> \o/
[05:46]  * Hobbsee ponders replacing the NT4 systems with ubuntu tonight, just for randomness.
[06:21] <ubotu> New bug: #174086 in malone "misspelling in notification message after filing a security bug" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174086
[06:29] <thumper> poolie: oopsing on what?
[06:29] <poolie> thumper, the code.staging.launchpad.net homepage
[06:31] <thumper> poolie: didn't for me
[06:31] <poolie> it was persistent for me but it's now gone
[06:32] <poolie> thumper, to follow on from jamesh's comment
[06:32] <thumper> from where?
[06:32] <poolie> maybe the note about the version should so
[06:32] <poolie> say
[06:32] <poolie> "Launchpad uses Bazaar 0.92 (for staging.launchpad.net)" etc
[06:32] <poolie> if it's not on the production server
[06:32] <poolie> because they may vary
[06:32] <poolie> uh
[06:33] <poolie> he pointed out somewhere that the version shown there may not be what you get on bazaar.launchpad.net
[06:35] <thumper> poolie: isn't that part of the point of "edge"?
[06:35] <poolie> sure 
[06:35] <poolie> um
[06:36] <poolie> so, if i as a launchpad beta tester look at edge
[06:36] <poolie> i'll see it says "launchpad is running bazaar 1.0rc1"
[06:36] <poolie> but, that won't be true for the supermirro
[06:36] <poolie> that's my point
[06:36] <thumper> hmm, yeah
[06:36] <thumper> so when are we going to get the smart server to announce its version?
[06:37] <poolie> i was going to suggest ian do that soon
[06:37] <poolie> so then it'll show it in bzr info
[06:37] <poolie> but, for now
[06:37] <poolie> i just thought mwh could improve the phrasing of that message
[06:37] <poolie> as it's not factually correct at the moment
[06:39] <poolie> if you see what i mean?
[06:44] <jml> poolie: I'm responsible for the phrasing as is.
[06:44] <jml> poolie: definitely open to suggestion.
[06:45] <poolie> jml, basically just that, if it's not on the "main" launchpad (is that called production or something else?)
[06:45] <poolie> it should say so
[06:45] <poolie> maybe
[06:45] <poolie> "staging.launchpad.net uses Bazaar 0.92"
[06:45] <poolie> do you see what i mean?
[06:48] <jml> ok.
[06:49] <poolie> just to avoid confusion
[06:53] <thumper> fair enough
[08:32] <kiko-afk> I hate curl
[08:32] <kiko-afk> Fujitsu?
[08:32] <Fujitsu> kiko-afk: Morning.
[08:32] <kiko-afk> morning
[08:32] <Fujitsu> (wth are you doing up?)
[08:33] <kiko-afk> Fujitsu, can you dget a dsc?
[08:33] <kiko-afk> I'm waiting for the lab to open as I need a blood test
[08:33] <Fujitsu> kiko-afk: I succeeded in doing so about 5 hours ago.
[08:33] <kiko-afk> woo
[08:33] <kiko-afk> that's great news
[08:33] <Fujitsu> Yep.
[08:33] <kiko-afk> I will try and use the same pattern for PPAs and the upload queue then
[08:34] <Fujitsu> Sounds good.
[08:34] <kiko-afk> that was such a fun bug to fix
[08:34] <Fujitsu> That will make things much nicer for grabbing old versions.
[08:34] <Fujitsu> Why?
[08:34] <kiko-afk> because it was very easy
[08:34] <Fujitsu> Ah.
[08:35] <kiko-afk> and almost everything just fell into place
[08:35] <Fujitsu> That's good to know.
[08:35] <Fujitsu> And there's not much that can go wrong with it.
[08:35] <Fujitsu> Thanks.
[08:36] <kiko-afk> it was a pleasure!
[08:36] <kiko-afk> of course
[08:36] <kiko-afk> curl: (77) error setting certificate verify locations:
[08:36] <kiko-afk>   CAfile: /etc/ssl/certs/ca-certificates.crt
[08:36] <kiko-afk>   CApath: none
[08:36]  * kiko-afk sighs at curl
[08:36] <Fujitsu> Heh.
[08:37] <kiko-afk> my certs dir is ruined, not sure why
[08:37] <kiko-afk> anyway, off to lab, will bbiab. man am I hungry!
[08:37] <Fujitsu> I got a similar thing on something curlish a while ago, and my certs dir wasn't ruined.
[08:37] <Fujitsu> Bye!
[08:37] <Fujitsu> Have fun :P
[09:09] <mpt> Goooooooooooooooooood morning Launchpadders!
[09:11] <Fujitsu> Hi mpt.
[09:26] <PibbRelay> <Matthew Revell> Good morning!
 morning mrevell
[09:27] <matsubara> this is really confusing
 Help, I'm stuck inside a PibbRelay!
[09:32]  * Fujitsu is confused.
 :-)
[09:34]  * Fujitsu is more confused still.
[09:34] <Fujitsu> matsubara: Can you explain?
[09:34] <matsubara> Fujitsu, we're trying this new pibb thing (pibb.com)
[09:35] <Fujitsu> Ah, sounds evil.
 inded
 er, indeed
[09:35] <matsubara> it's specially confusing if you have a real IRC client logged in and a the pibbrelay
[09:35] <Fujitsu> Heh.
 There's an RSS feed.  Imagine the levels of pain during a developer meeting. :p
[09:39] <Odd_Bloke> \o/
[09:39]  * Odd_Bloke is perhaps more excited than he should be.
 ** Fujitsu appears.
[09:41] <Fujitsu> Lag.
[09:43] <Odd_Bloke> Can we use LP pages as OpenID?
[09:43] <Fujitsu> Not yet.
[09:43] <Fujitsu> That's coming very soon, though.
 It's coming :-)
 ** Rinchen gets back to work.
 You're in #launchpad.  That is work, right?
[09:48] <Odd_Bloke> How is the relaying done?
[09:50] <kiko> ahoy
[09:50] <kiko> Odd_Bloke, you just specify a launchpad URL as your login IIRC
[09:53] <Odd_Bloke> kiko: I've just signed up for myopenid.com and used that.  I was actually wondering if the relay is something Pibb provide, because I might be interested in setting up something similar for a couple of other IRC channels.
[09:53] <kiko> Odd_Bloke, you're at the limit of what I know about OpenID now (almost nothing at all). 
[09:53] <kiko> jamesh and SteveA and Rinchen know much more
[09:55] <Rinchen> Odd_Bloke, it utilizes the PibbRelay id to relay irc back and forth to Janrain's Pibb
[09:55] <Rinchen> Odd_Bloke, it's optional and I was able to request it for testing
[09:55] <Odd_Bloke> Ah, I see.
[09:55] <Rinchen> the benefit is that it forces the use of a singular support channel (in this case, this irc channel)
[09:56] <Rinchen> so you don't fragment
[09:56] <Rinchen> BUT
[09:56] <Rinchen> you get to extend the identity aspect of LP (once we enable OpenID) to communications
[09:56] <Rinchen> it's just an interesting experiment at this point though
[09:56] <Odd_Bloke> Yeah.
[09:58] <Odd_Bloke> We've been looking at a few Java applet IRC clients to embed in the University of Warwick Computing Society's website.  We haven't really come up with anything of much use, so I was thinking about this as an alternative.
[09:59] <Rinchen> they are also going to open up APIs and link it to jabber
[09:59] <Rinchen> so you can sync it with any jabber or QUNU for example
[10:13] <wiggy> anyone here working on https://bugs.launchpad.net/malone/+bug/173096 ?
[10:13] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 173096 in malone "Misleading "Content-Encoding: gzip" header on downloads" [Critical,Confirmed]  - Assigned to Brad Crittenden (bradcrittenden)
[10:13] <wiggy> I'm wondering what the status is after the triage last night
[10:14] <wiggy> james henstridge made a good suggestion for a short term solution
[10:14] <kiko> wiggy, I would want francis or BjornT to talk to you about that
[10:14] <kiko> there is much we can do when we decide what to try first :)
[10:15] <wiggy> are either of them around?
[10:16] <kiko> BjornT should be
[10:16] <kiko> francis I'm not sure is on vacation. do you know Rinchen?
[10:16] <wiggy> he's over 22 hours idle
[10:17] <wiggy> I talked very briefly with him last night
[10:17] <Rinchen> I do!
[10:17] <Rinchen> wiggy, your bug has been triaged and bac is on it
[10:17] <wiggy> excellent
[10:17] <wiggy> we released plone 2.5.5 yesterday and will release 3.0.4 over the weekend
[10:18] <wiggy> so we're getting a lot of downloads now
[10:23] <kiko> wiggy, and bac is already up, so he might keep you posted of what's going on
[10:24] <wiggy> excellent
[10:29] <BjornT> wiggy: i think the plan is to have an admin modify our apache config today, so that the header won't be added.
[10:29] <wiggy> that would be awesome
[10:38] <bac> hi wiggy.  yes, i'm working with our admins and hope to have a solution later today.  feel free to ping me if you have questions.
[10:38] <wiggy> I don't have any further question
[10:56] <wiggy> I ran into something interesting btw
[10:57] <wiggy> when I tried to add a URL to a bugreport about that issue launchpad gave an error
[10:57] <wiggy> 100% reproducible: URL in the comment -> error
[10:59] <kiko> wiggy, can I have an OOPS ID for that?
[10:59] <wiggy> I'm sure I can create a new one
[11:00] <wiggy> OOPS-704A824
[11:00] <ubotu> https://devpad.canonical.com/~jamesh/oops.cgi/704A824
[11:02] <kiko> wiggy, hang on until I can get that OOPS 
[11:03] <wiggy> no worries, I don't need to add that url to the issue anymore
[11:03] <wiggy> it was just interesting to consistently get that error
[11:03] <kiko> well it's not supposed to crash and it might be my fault!
[11:03] <kiko> I changed one thing in the URL matching four days ago on edge
[11:04] <Fujitsu> Why is it matching URLs at all? Just to linkify them?
[11:05] <daou> does someone know about translation .pot file import policies? I uploaded one in July I think. I uploaded another one today, but it needs admin review.
[11:05] <daou> I though only 1 .pot file needs admin review
[11:07] <wiggy> you can linkify by running through something like plone.intelligentext
[11:08] <Fujitsu> daou: Does it, perchance, have a different nam
[11:08] <Fujitsu> *name?
[11:08] <daou> same name
[11:08] <daou> both generated with xgettext
[11:08] <daou> with identical arguments
[11:22] <kiko> wiggy, ho ho ho
[11:22] <kiko> wiggy, that's a gmb or allenap bug!
[11:22] <kiko> gmb, allenap: https://devpad.canonical.com/~matsubara/oops.cgi/2007-12-05/A824
[11:23] <kiko> allenap, I think that goes away with aliases though :)
[11:24] <wiggy> while I'm here anyway :)
[11:24] <wiggy> how long does it normally take before a launchpad bugreport is looked at?
[11:24] <wiggy> I was hoping that https://bugs.launchpad.net/malone/+bug/162008 would be an easy fix as well
[11:24] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 162008 in malone "invalid Message-Id" [Undecided,New] 
[11:24]  * Fujitsu laughs.
[11:24]  * Fujitsu goes back to his cave.
[11:25]  * wiggy finding launchpad emails in his spam folder due to that
[11:25] <gmb> kiko: Yeah, I think that aliases will fix that one.
[11:26] <kiko> wiggy, it can takes seconds to years. it depends on whether we like you. <wink>
[11:43]  * Hobbsee waves
[12:06] <ubotu> New bug: #174131 in launchpad "Similar "project not setted up for translation" strings displayed" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174131
[15:00] <flacoste> barry: meeting time?
[15:00] <barry> hello everybody!  for the next 45 minutes or so we'll be conducting the americas/europe launchpad reviewers meeting.  who's here today?
[15:00] <gmb> me
[15:01] <barry> flacoste: :)
[15:01] <salgado> me
[15:01] <BjornT> me
[15:01] <ddaa> me
[15:01] <mwhudson> me
[15:01] <intellectronica> me
[15:02] <flacoste> mw
[15:02] <flacoste> sinzui: ping
[15:02] <flacoste> statik: ping
[15:02] <barry> bac: ping
[15:02] <statik> me
[15:02] <bac> me
[15:02] <barry> == Agenda ==
[15:02] <barry>  * Roll call
[15:02] <barry>  * Next meeting
[15:02] <barry>  * Action items
[15:02] <barry>  * Queue status
[15:02] <barry>  * Mentoring update
[15:02] <barry>  * Review process changes
[15:02] <barry>    * On-call reviewer
[15:03] <barry>    * Cover letter
[15:03] <barry>    * Death to [trivial]
[15:03] <barry>    * Tool update
[15:03] <barry>  * Re-combining with Asia``Pac?
[15:03] <barry> welcome everyone!
[15:03] <barry>  * Next meeting
[15:03] <barry> week += 1 ?  anybody know they can't make it?
[15:03] <barry> 5
[15:03] <barry> 4
[15:03] <barry> 3
[15:03] <barry> 2
[15:03] <barry> 1
[15:03] <barry>  * Action items
[15:04] <barry>  * Barry to edit him some wikis about on-call procedures
[15:04]  * barry sucks
[15:04]  * barry still needs to edit him some wikis
[15:04] <sinzui> me
[15:04]  * bac won't make next week (and only watching with one eye this week)
[15:04]  * sinzui NEEDED coffee
[15:04] <barry> bac: np, thanks
[15:05] <barry>  * Queue status
[15:05] <barry> can i say how awesome the queue looks now?
[15:05] <flacoste> on-call reviewers rocks
[15:05] <statik> on-call reviewers are amazing
[15:05] <mwhudson> no branches more than a day old
[15:05] <barry> flacoste: oh yes
[15:06] <barry> the funny thing is, even doing a full day of on-call reviewing, i feel much more productive than before
[15:06] <intellectronica> i forgot to look in the general queue when starting. i'll do the one branch that's there later
[15:06] <bac> on-call seems to be working well
[15:06]  * intellectronica <3 on call reviews
[15:06] <mwhudson> i have one concern, but i'll raise that in a second :)
[15:06] <barry> mwhudson: cool, we'll be there momentarily
[15:06] <barry>  * Mentoring update
[15:06] <mwhudson> right
[15:07] <mwhudson> mentors aren't reviewing any branches
[15:07] <barry> i don't think there's much to say about this
[15:07]  * ddaa feels concerned about not reviewing anything
[15:07] <mwhudson> because the on-call reviewing is working excessively awesomely well
[15:07]  * gmb feels the same as ddaa
[15:07] <barry> mwhudson: good point :)
[15:07] <statik> what about having the mentee work with the on-call reviewer?
[15:07] <intellectronica> gfm
[15:07] <statik> screen sharing?
[15:07] <mwhudson> so my idea
[15:07] <ddaa> And I cannot spare one fully day to be on-call ATM.
[15:07] <intellectronica> gmb, ddaa: why don't you take on shifts together with your mentors?
[15:07] <mwhudson> was that a mentoree should sign up to be on call at the same time as a reviewer
[15:07] <ddaa> intellectronica: see previous message :)
[15:08] <flacoste> ddaa: it needs to be the whole day
[15:08] <mwhudson> i have another point, which is that a whole day of being on call is a pretty long time
[15:08] <intellectronica> it usually doesn't work to a full day. i've done coding last week, and today i have plenty of time too
[15:08] <flacoste> more so that your day is in a different tz than barry
[15:09] <mwhudson> flacoste: i don't understand what you are saying here
[15:09] <barry> intellectronica: i also found on monday that there was nothing left to review at some point in the day
[15:09] <sinzui> I'm tempted to say that I will stop accepting reviews two hours before I stop.
[15:09] <flacoste> mwhudson: i meant that the whole day for ddaa doesn't make sense since it doesn't coincide with barry (because of time zones)
[15:10] <barry> flacoste: but if i had a review or two of ddaa's to mentor at the start of my day, that would be fine
[15:10] <mwhudson> flacoste: ah
[15:10] <sinzui> barry: There was nothing left because I accepted some large branches on Friday. I did them over the weekend,
[15:10] <Am|Birthday> So is the team merging stuff in now?
[15:10] <barry> sinzui: you just have to do that every weekend, then. :)
[15:11] <salgado> Am|Birthday, yep, it is. file a question at https://launchpad.net/launchpad/+addquestion to get teams merged
[15:11] <Am|Birthday> and that doesn't merge the users?
[15:11] <Am|Birthday> i don't want the users from the one team, i just want all of its bug assignments and such
[15:11] <mwhudson> so for a proposal: when a reviewer is on call
[15:11] <barry> so i'm +1 on recruits signing up for on-call coinciding with their mentors
[15:11] <bac> i did nothing but reviews yesterday and didn't get to them all
[15:11] <mwhudson> he should consider asking his mentorees to do some of the reviews that come his way?
[15:12] <barry> mwhudson: we could try that
[15:12] <salgado> Am|Birthday, that's right, members are not carried from one team to the other. (we're in a meeting here, btw)
[15:12] <intellectronica> bac: but hopefully it evens out statistically in the end
[15:12] <Am|Birthday> oh, sorry
[15:13]  * mwhudson doesn't have any mentorees, so this doesn't affect him too much :)
[15:13] <bac> intellectronica: sure.  just throwing out another data point
[15:13] <barry> bac: it's fine if you can't get to them all on your day.  just kick it to the next on-call reviewer
[15:13] <barry> you can only do what you can do
[15:13] <gmb> mwhudson: See, the problem is there that you're losing the upside of being an on-call reviewer, which is that you clear your deck deliberately.
[15:13] <salgado> gmb, we can give that a try tomorrow. what do you think?
[15:13] <bac> barry: did that. 
[15:13] <mwhudson> gmb: true
[15:14] <gmb> salgado: That works for me, but I'd rather treat it as on-call time. If I don't it means that I'm going to be task-switching, which isn't great.
[15:15] <rick_h_> PPA question, my lpia build is failing for gutsy with packages not avail. Yet 386/64bit are ok and all three in hardy are ok. Anything I can do/should I do to get the lpia working?
[15:15] <bac> Q: have we reduced the branch size limit?  there was some discussion.
[15:15] <barry> hmm, so there's still some experimentation to be had with mentors + on-calls.  perhaps those of us mentoring should contact your recruit and work something out.  then let us know how it goes.
[15:15] <Hobbsee> rick_h_: got a link to the build log?
[15:15] <mwhudson> three on call reviewers tomorrow then, we should blaze through the queue :)
[15:15] <rick_h_> Hobbsee: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/10746560/buildlog_ubuntu-gutsy-lpia.gnome-do_0.1%7Ebzr101_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[15:16] <salgado> mwhudson, good point. it may not be a good idea to have all three of us tomorrow... not sure
[15:16] <mwhudson> let's see how it goes
[15:16] <barry> mwhudson: three? are you counting jml?
[15:16] <mwhudson> barry: no, me, salgado and gmb
[15:16] <gmb> Just to make it clear: I want to do on-call reviews. It's just the logistics need figuring out :)
[15:16] <barry> mwhudson: oh right :)
[15:17] <intellectronica> we need more on call reviewers to sign on on other days too. people shouldn't be afraid, it doesn't have to steal all your time
[15:17] <salgado> barry, we need to find another mentor for gmb as I'm leaving on vacation next week.  (not sure it is the right time to raise this, though)
[15:17]  * gmb was going to raise the same point :)
[15:17] <bac> intellectronica: you mean to sign up for more than one day?
[15:17]  * barry looks to mwhudson :)
[15:17] <mwhudson> i can mentor gmb from now until xmas
[15:17] <barry> mwhudson: awesome, thanks
[15:18] <mwhudson> (then i'm off for a chunk of time)
[15:18] <Hobbsee> rick_h_: looks like a lpia gutsy build problem (missing deps)
[15:18] <barry> mwhudson: right!  good luck :)
[15:18] <gmb> mwhudson: Thanks :)
[15:18] <mwhudson> (and not coming back to this meeting, come to think of it)
[15:18] <intellectronica> bac: no, for reviewers who still haven't signed up at all to sign up for some of the empty slots
[15:18] <barry> gmb: let us know how it goes, what works, and what doesn't
[15:18] <gmb> barry: Will do.
[15:18] <rick_h_> Hobbsee: right, but the control file hasn't changed from the last build, the other versions built fine, and the hardy version (only change changelog to hardy and reuploaded) works for lpia
[15:18] <bac> intellectronica: i thought all eligible reviewers had signed up
[15:18] <mwhudson> intellectronica: the only reviewers who haven't signed up are team leads 
[15:18] <mwhudson> and maybe jamesh
[15:19] <barry> and the recruits
[15:19] <kiko> bac, mwhudson: jamesh is signed up, but we want to get the recruits in
[15:19] <salgado> jamesh, is there
[15:19] <bac> james is on monday
[15:19] <mwhudson> ah, ok, i am out of date :)
[15:19] <intellectronica> mwhudson: actually, you're right. guess we simply need more reviewers :)
[15:19] <barry> intellectronica: +1, though we decided to wait at least to the end of this cycle
[15:19] <Hobbsee> rick_h_: do you care sufficiently about lpia for gutsy?
[15:20]  * barry wouldn't be adverse to his recruit signing up for a slot
[15:20] <rick_h_> Hobbsee: honestly not sure. I've not messed with it at all and without lp stats I can't know how many use it ;)
[15:20] <ddaa> barry: glad to but not right now
[15:20] <rick_h_> Hobbsee: I figured I'd see if there was something I can do. New to packaging so maybe this is a "learning" oppertunity
[15:20] <barry> ddaa: okay.  please keep it in mind though.  we want to get you some branches to review!
[15:21] <barry> anything else?
[15:21] <barry> 5
[15:21] <ddaa> I'm struggling under a couple of items I want to get rolling without distractions.
[15:21] <barry> 4
[15:21] <barry> ddaa: cool
[15:21] <bac> size limit
[15:21] <barry> 3
[15:21] <bac> has it changed?
[15:21] <barry> bac: didn't we say 800 lines?
[15:21] <barry> over that and you need special dispensation
[15:22] <bac> thanks
[15:22] <Hobbsee> rick_h_: not overly - looks like some stuff hasnt' built yet due to the new stuff in security. 
[15:22] <barry> 2
[15:22] <barry> 1
[15:22] <barry>  * Review process changes
[15:22] <barry>    * On-call reviewer
[15:22] <flacoste> actually, the 800 lines wasn't official
[15:22] <mwhudson> see above :)
[15:22]  * barry thinks we've covered this
[15:22] <barry> flacoste: no?
[15:22] <flacoste> the official limit is still 2000
[15:22] <ddaa> oops wrong window
[15:22] <rick_h_> Hobbsee: ok, then I won't worry about it for now and I'll see if the next update I do works out
[15:22] <rick_h_> Hobbsee: thanks for taking a peek at it
[15:23] <barry> flacoste: let's make it official then :)
[15:23] <flacoste> no, i suggested reducing it to 800 lines
[15:23] <flacoste> if barry says its official, it is!
[15:23] <barry> of course, i'll probably be the first to violate it :)
[15:23] <sinzui> barry: say official
[15:23] <Hobbsee> rick_h_: no problem.
[15:23] <barry> official
[15:24] <salgado> who can give the special dispensation?
[15:24] <barry> salgado: the reviewer
[15:24] <sinzui> \0/
[15:24] <gmb> This is what's lacking in IRC meetings - the chairman needs a gavel.
[15:24]  * barry will send a message to launchpad@ and edit him some wikis
[15:24] <Hobbsee> lamont: i'm not sure if i missed something...but isnt concordia supposed to take all the security builds?  otherwise, what's the point of having it?
[15:24] <wiggy> there's always /kick
[15:24] <barry>    * Cover letter
[15:25] <flacoste> please send them to Launchpad reviews!!!!
[15:25] <barry> pastebin and email seems to be working well.  any comments?
[15:25] <flacoste> some cover letters didn't make it on-list
[15:25] <flacoste> which i find sad
[15:25] <gmb> barry: For the ones I've received, email is much nicer :)
[15:25] <barry> flacoste: should we outlaw pastebin?
[15:25] <flacoste> i'd love to read them (instead of whole)
[15:25] <mwhudson> also, please reply to the cover letters that are on launchpad reviews
[15:25] <gmb> barry: +1!
[15:25] <mwhudson> when sending your review
[15:26] <flacoste> barry: I don't care about pastebin, if they are also mailed to launchpad-reviews, i'm fine with them being in two places
[15:26] <barry> mwhudson: that's trickier because utilities/review doesn't play nice with emailed cover letters
[15:26] <kiko> I get mad when cover letters go missing!
[15:26] <Hobbsee> oh noes, a mad kiko!
[15:26] <intellectronica> mwhudson: the problem with that is that my email "client" doesn't give me good options when formatting those emails, so i prefer to edit in emacs and use the script to send it out. i do see the value in replying, though
[15:27] <mwhudson> barry: maybe utilities/review nees to grow some smarts then
[15:27]  * barry looks to mwhudson and gmb
[15:27]  * gmb saw that coming
[15:27] <mwhudson> let's not make it a requirement for now then
[15:27] <flacoste> intellectronica: doesn't your email client have a 'Insert file' option?
[15:27] <mwhudson> and we'll have a think about tool support
[15:28] <barry> should cover letters be emailed only when you know who's reviewing your branch?
[15:28] <intellectronica> flacoste: i don't think it will inline it, no
[15:28] <flacoste> intellectronica: get a real email client :-p
[15:28] <barry> flacoste: such a beast does not exist
[15:28] <BjornT> barry: you haven't use mutt? :)
[15:28] <flacoste> barry: i think it is fine to email launchpad-reviews in general if you don't have a reviewer
[15:28] <gmb> mutt ftw!
[15:29] <mwhudson> ........ like ..... the review submission script could generate the message id and store it in the db, then utilities/review could retrieve it and put in an in-reply-to header ....
[15:29] <barry> :)
[15:29] <barry> BjornT: does mutt run in xemacs? :)
[15:29] <mwhudson> mutt is terrible
[15:29] <gmb> mwhudson: We need a tool to that. Oh, wait...
[15:29]  * mwhudson hides
[15:29] <ddaa> what about we go back to topic?
[15:29] <mwhudson> ddaa +1
[15:29] <flacoste> and say Cover letter: mailed to list
[15:29] <flacoste> on PendingReviews
[15:29] <intellectronica> another thing about cover letters - it would be good if we had a template that matches the template on PR. sometimes not all the relevant information ends up in the cover letters. if it did we could slowly but surely get rid of PR
[15:30]  * sinzui ponders ftw--free the weasels.
[15:30] <BjornT> barry: well, that can probably be arranged :) at least you can use emacs as the editor in mutt
[15:30] <mwhudson> intellectronica: ah yes
[15:30] <barry> BjornT: :)
[15:30] <mwhudson> a cover letter template would be a good thing
[15:30] <barry> does someone want to volunteer to write this template?
[15:30] <barry> and check it in
[15:31] <flacoste> intellectronica: +1
[15:31] <intellectronica> ok, i'll do it
[15:31] <BjornT> talking about cover letters, i personally prefer the actual diff being attached to the e-mail as well.
[15:31]  * barry will rs a branch to add such a thing to utilities
[15:31] <barry> intellectronica: thanks
[15:31] <mwhudson> BjornT: my tool does that :)
[15:31]  * barry looks to mwhudson and gmb
[15:31] <gmb> BjornT: Me too.
[15:31]  * gmb saw that coming too.
[15:31] <BjornT> mwhudson: good, let's use your tool then :)
[15:31] <sinzui> BjornT: Me too
[15:32] <flacoste> mwhudson: should we use your tool now?
[15:32]  * barry skips ahead
[15:32]  * mwhudson is waiting for barry to say "Tool update"
[15:32] <barry>    * Tool update
[15:32] <mwhudson> so i wrote https://launchpad.canonical.com/LPReviewPluginDocs
[15:32] <kiko> now we're talking
[15:33] <mwhudson> i think the plugin is usable now
[15:33] <mwhudson> it has the plumbing but is not yet set up to talk to gmb's thingy
[15:33] <kiko> mwhudson, will it CC: launchpad-reviewers? 
[15:33] <mwhudson> feedback would be nice, i guess :)
[15:33] <kiko> mwhudson, or can we put that in a config file?
[15:33] <mwhudson> kiko: it will
[15:34] <flacoste> mwhudson: i have a suggestion
[15:34] <kiko> I guess a config file is what I'm looking for, but we can use aliases
[15:34] <mwhudson> kiko: well, it reads from bzr's locations.conf
[15:34] <flacoste> mwhudson: could it be made to output a PendingReviews stanza?
[15:34] <flacoste> so that we could add it easily to PendingReviews?
[15:34] <mwhudson> flacoste: i guess it could, yes
[15:34]  * kiko hates PendingReviews
[15:34] <flacoste> old them
[15:34] <kiko> mwhudson, so
[15:34] <mwhudson> flacoste: we are trying to kill PR of course, but in the mean time...
[15:35] <kiko> mwhudson, would the same plugin update the stanza?
[15:35] <flacoste> that's my idea
[15:35] <flacoste> until gmb finishes his side
[15:35] <kiko> or would there be a do-review stanza?
[15:35] <kiko> err command
[15:35] <barry> just make pending-reviews work and i'd happily kill PendingReviews
[15:35] <mwhudson> kiko: currently there is a review-submit command
[15:35] <kiko> ah
[15:35] <mwhudson> kiko: at some point there should be a way of registering an in-process branch
[15:36] <mwhudson> that doesn't exist yet
[15:36] <kiko> mwhudson, and that would submit a reply and/or update the stanza.
[15:36] <kiko> gotcha
[15:36] <mwhudson> (shouldn't be too hard though)
[15:36] <barry> mwhudson: i propose that you email launchpad@ about this and encourage users to start banging on it
[15:36] <BjornT> mwhudson: can it send/compose the mail using a specific mail client?
[15:36] <mwhudson> barry: ok
[15:36] <mwhudson> BjornT: not really
[15:36] <barry> mwhudson: awesome
[15:37] <barry> okay we have 8 minutes left, and i have one more topic (i'm skipping [trivial] for now)
[15:37] <BjornT> mwhudson: ok. i might send you a patch later, then :)
[15:37] <mwhudson> BjornT: it uses $EDITOR to edit the cover letter (the content of the email) or you can write it in whatever editor you like and say --cover ~/cover.txt
[15:37] <barry>  * Re-combining with Asia``Pac?
[15:37] <mwhudson> (then it just sends it with smtplib)
[15:37] <barry> mwhudson: apologies for cutting the tool talk short
[15:38] <mwhudson> barry: no, go ahead
[15:38] <barry> jml and i had a discussion last week about recombining the reviewers meetings
[15:38] <barry> the big problem is that asiapac feels that their meetings are kind of pointless
[15:39] <kiko> was there a suggestion to addressing the timezone split?
[15:39] <barry> i often feel like it's difficult to communicate with them, or come to decisions, etc. because of the lag
[15:39] <kiko> rotating meetings like the distro team does?
[15:39] <barry> kiko: shared/rotating pain
[15:39] <kiko> yeah
[15:39] <mwhudson> it seems like a combined meeting is going to be inhumane to someone
[15:40] <kiko> right
[15:40] <kiko> but it doesn't have to be inhumane every week to the same person
[15:40] <barry> mwhudson: yeah.  if it werent't for the eu though i'd propose a time in the us evening, au morning
[15:40] <mwhudson> true enough i guess
[15:40] <barry> but that's in the middle of the night for eu so that sucks
[15:40] <barry> oh, one other thing
[15:40] <mwhudson> barry: well, if it weren't for the us, etc
[15:41] <barry> we talked about doing these meetings only once a cycle
[15:41] <barry> instead of every week
[15:41] <barry> mwhudson: :)
[15:41] <flacoste> barry: you mean the combined meeting would happen only once a cycle?
[15:41] <barry> so once a cycle would reduce the pain further. but is that enough?
[15:41] <flacoste> we would still have a weekly regional reviewers meeting?
[15:41] <BjornT> barry: have you considered moving the AsiaPac meeting so that you can attend it?
[15:42] <barry> flacoste: well asiapac doesn't feel like they need weekly meetings
[15:42] <mwhudson> this sounds like a discussion that could happen on list
[15:42] <barry> BjornT: that's another possibility.
[15:42] <kiko> strines don't need no steenkin meetings
[15:42] <barry> mwhudson: yes.  i wanted to give y'all a heads up here though. but definitely will move this to the m.l.
[15:43] <mwhudson> barry: cool
[15:43] <flacoste> barry: do you feel we don't need a weekly meeting?
[15:43] <barry> quick poll: do you all feel like weekly ameu reviewer meetings are useful, or would less often be okay?
[15:43] <flacoste> or is the suggestion that the current reviewers meeting continue
[15:43] <flacoste> but no weekly AsiaPac
[15:43] <barry> flacoste: that's an open question
[15:43] <flacoste> and once a cycle there's a full-team meeting
[15:43] <mwhudson> i think the weekly meetings are useful
[15:44]  * flacoste too
[15:44] <statik> less often would be ok now that the on-call reviewer thing is working so well. before I felt like weekly meetings were more necessary
[15:44] <mwhudson> though maybe two of the three groups could meet each week
[15:44] <salgado> I think we could try having it less often and see how it goes
[15:44] <mwhudson> (options, options)
[15:44] <flacoste> well, on-call reviewers is still an ongoing experiment
[15:44] <flacoste> and we do a lot of useful feedback during these meetings
[15:45] <flacoste> and we want more experiments in the future
[15:45] <flacoste> so having weekly meetings to feel how these experiments are going
[15:45] <flacoste> is very useful
[15:45] <flacoste> imho
[15:45] <bac> weekly meetings are useful.  once-per-cycle is too infrequent.
[15:45] <barry> flacoste: good feedback, thanks
[15:45] <flacoste> it sucks thought that AsiaPac feels that they are out of the feedback loop
[15:46] <flacoste> and the fact that they feel their weekly meeting is useless is something that needs addressing
[15:46] <barry> flacoste: yes, absolutely
[15:46]  * barry will schedule more time to discuss options with jml
[15:46] <barry> okay, we're over.  any last minute comments on anything?
[15:47] <kiko> salgado needs to send me my review.
[15:47] <barry> 5
[15:47] <kiko> or else nobody has lunch today
[15:47] <barry> 4
[15:47] <barry> 3
[15:47] <barry> 2
[15:47] <barry> 1
[15:47] <salgado> we still have plenty of time, kiko. we never have lunch before 1400 anyway. ;)
[15:47] <barry> MEETING ENDS
[15:47] <barry> thanks everyone!
[15:47] <flacoste> thanks barry
[15:48] <mwhudson> thanks barr
[15:48] <mwhudson> y
[15:48] <kiko> ha ha
[15:48]  * barry goes to write a new branch just so he can try review-submit
[15:53] <radix> review-submit??
[15:55]  * mwhudson has been writing bzr plugins
[15:57] <kiko> radix, you said it man
[15:57] <radix> mwhudson: do the bzr plugins do something totally awesome?
[15:58] <mwhudson> radix: https://launchpad.canonical.com/LPReviewPluginDocs
[15:58] <mwhudson> radix: it might be a bit launchpad-process specific in places
[15:59] <radix> oh yeah, ok
[15:59] <radix> what I need is a submit-review plugin that adds a comment to a given ticket number that says the fix is available and adds the "review" tag to the ticket :)
[15:59] <radix> (or a real review system in LP ;)
[15:59] <mwhudson> python-bug-helpers!!
[15:59] <mwhudson> yeah, working on that too
[16:00] <radix> :-)
[16:01] <mwhudson> i'm not sure any of the things my plugin does would really help for what you want to do
[16:10] <Rinchen> hi kiko-fud 
[16:16] <kiko-fud> bac, is there a workaround for https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/162535 ?
[16:16] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 162535 in launchpad "no way to change details for download file" [Undecided,Confirmed]  - Assigned to Brad Crittenden (bradcrittenden)
[16:16] <kiko-fud> hi Rinchen 
[16:16] <bac> kiko-fud: not yet
[16:18] <sidnei> hey bac, kiko told me to nag you about a bug :)
[16:19] <kiko-fud> heh
[16:19] <kiko-fud> I do that sort of thing
[16:19] <bac> hi sidnei.  consider me nagged 
[16:19] <bac> :)
[16:19] <sidnei> it's #162535, just been bitten by it
[16:21] <bac> sidnei: yeah, i'm aware of that one and will be triaging it soon.  sorry for the inconvenience.
[16:22] <sidnei> bac: great, thank you!
[16:22] <bac> sidnei: np.  it was nice to chat with you last friday, btw.
[16:23] <sidnei> bac: wish i could have said more, i was in a rush, about to leave
[17:00] <ubotu> New bug: #174186 in malone "https redirects pose download problem" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174186
[19:00] <ubotu> New bug: #174204 in launchpad "Librarian needs to store encoding" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174204
[20:02] <thumper> morning
[20:30] <ubotu> New bug: #174218 in launchpad "Better code browsing paths" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174218
[20:50] <ubotu> New bug: #174224 in launchpad "launchpadlibrarian sends wrong content-type header" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174224
[23:43] <rgov> I have found a vulnerability in Launchpad, whom should I contact?
[23:44] <sidnei> the hackers!
[23:44] <sidnei> :)
[23:44] <Peng> You could file a bug with the security flag checked.
[23:44] <Peng> Or send it to full-disclosure. :)
[23:44] <rgov> Nah it's not very interesting
[23:47] <Kmos> rgov: try mail: feedback@launchpad.net