=== tonyy is now known as tonyyarusso === _jason is now known as jrib [01:31] Hello World! Is it safe to upgrade the hardy kernel to 2.6.24? [01:31] nanley: If you want safe, don't run Hardy. [01:31] lol [01:31] point taken [01:31] * ScottK is not kidding. [01:32] well, safe as in the kernel is the same one that will be in alpha 2? [01:32] or something ready for testing [01:37] * ScottK doesn't know (not running it), but since a lot of kernel stuff is hardware specific, even if I said it worked for me, I don't know what that would really tell you. [01:37] alrighty =] === Fujitsu_ is now known as Fujitsu [04:21] * Hobbsee stabs add & remove programs [04:21] and apport fails too. hurrah [04:26] Hobbsee: but does apport handle its own crashes? :) [04:28] If it doesn't crash repeatedly, maybe it will. [04:28] weird apt-get problem.... dpkg is hanging around defunct for ages after each package.... apt-get is blocking on read(18, ), which is /dev/ptmx === Hobbsee_ is now known as Hobbsee === stu1 is now known as stub [05:14] 0So far, only 8 packages have FTBFS, which is a good sign. [05:16] surely there should be 0 FTBFS packages? [05:22] Hobbsee: You would hope so, but I haven't investigated the exact reasons yet. I'll get as many cleared as ok building and uploaded as I can, then fix up those that FTBFS. [05:49] TheMuso: scary how many packages we still have that depend on glib1.2... [05:49] slomo: They're fighting for buildd attention, I bet [05:51] slomo: Yes, there are heaps. [05:51] 220 odd source packages that need rebuilding. [05:51] they should just disappear *shrug* :) === \sh_away is now known as \sh [07:33] greetings everybody! [07:33] Hola [07:38] hi mpt [07:38] hello MacSlow [07:42] hey MacSlow, mpt [07:43] hi Burgundavia [07:44] how goes facebrowser? [07:46] spec is place... now time for research and devel [07:46] MacSlow, I have a question about Visual Effects [07:46] I remember back in the 1990s it was a huge advance when OSes got live resizing for windows [07:47] and with Visual Effects set to "None", windows have live resizing [07:47] but with the more blingy settings, they don't [07:48] Any particular reason for that? [07:49] mpt, there was no spec or planning at all for the whole set of settings for compiz-plugins [07:49] mpt, I think to remember that some people replied that window-resizing got "terribly slow" for them [07:49] oh, ok [07:49] So live resizing is slower with Compiz than with Metacity? [07:50] mpt, the way the compiz-folks "fixed" it was setting it to this rectangle-mode [07:50] I see [07:50] mpt, only for some GPUs/drivers [07:51] mpt, e.g. on i915 and i965 I don't see the issues [07:54] mpt, I'm certain that the issue people complain about regarding live-resizing windows under compiz will be a thing of the past once the new DRI2 and other Xorg-related things are fully implemented. [07:54] mpt, it will e.g. also provide "zero copy" texture-from-pixmap [07:57] ok [08:07] mpt, there are also some ideas floatint around to speed up live-resize under compiz before those DRI2/Xorg-related pieces are in place... one of them is to allocate larger textures for holding the redirected windows, thus a texture does not have to be reallocated if a window is resized, which in turn speeds up the resizing-process under compiz [08:07] hi pitti [08:09] Hi MacSlow [08:09] Good morning [08:09] hey MacSlow, hi lool [08:10] Salut lool [08:12] keescook: Congrats! [08:20] how do I contribute to the awesome project known as Ubuntu [08:20] sleepster: it depends on what you want to do :) http://www.ubuntu.com/community/participate [08:22] good morning [08:23] you too... [08:23] good Chuck Norris [08:24] question: can I invalid a bug, even if i'm not a member of anything in particular?(bugsquad or whatelse...) [08:26] pochu I want to do everything [08:27] pochu I want to make this the best dang OS in the WORLD [08:27] where do I sign up? [08:28] no need to sign up anywhere, just do it ;-) [08:28] gaspa: Yes. [08:28] Fujitsu: ok, thanks. [08:30] hey mvo, hey seb128 [08:30] good morning Daniel [08:31] hey dholbach! [08:31] hey seb128 [08:32] how do I get involved with a project? [08:32] I read throught he wiki [08:32] s/he/the [08:32] mvo: I didn't do the vte merge so if you want to work on it today ;-) [08:32] sleepster: do you mean a project in Ubuntu? [08:33] seb128: sure, I can do it today [08:34] * seb128 hugs mvo [08:37] good morning mvo! [08:40] * pitti hugs The"♪ I shot the buildd! ♫"Muso [08:41] TheMuso: wouldn't it make sense to use some delay between uploads for such transitions? [08:42] * persia wonders why [08:43] persia: why what? [08:43] Why delay between uploads for a transition. [08:43] to not overload buildds and let a chance to normal uploads to build [08:46] seb128: well, most of the stuff is universe, so main packages will be built first anyway [08:47] pitti: right but still [08:47] it's more a question of mirror load [08:47] pitti: I though it was good practice to not upload hundred in packages in a row [08:47] right, it still is [08:48] speaking of mirror load, I moved OO.o to gutsy-updates yesterday; the DC will love me, I'm sure [08:49] pitti: do you know if there is any hardy language pack update scheduled? [08:49] seb128: in fact the export was started last week, let me check [08:49] https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/+language-packs [08:49] nothing yet [08:50] oki [08:51] pitti: does language-pack-gnome-*-base get updated in -updates? [08:52] LaserJock: -base is generally stable in a release [08:52] LaserJock: we did a refreshing in dapper because the update packages got too big [08:52] but it's seldom [08:52] ok, so if there are updates they should go in language-pack-gnome-* ? [08:52] right [08:53] * pitti puts a strawberry and a piece of chocolate on top of bug 163794 for mvo :) [08:54] pitti: do they install to the same place? doesn't that create a conflict? [08:54] Launchpad bug 163794 in tzdata "New timezone data 2007j" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163794 [08:54] LaserJock: they do, that's why they Replace: each other [08:54] * mvo hugs pitti [08:54] ah [08:55] pitti: I'm trying to track down why gcompris was not included in the latest lang pack updates [08:55] hm, but it was in the final gutsy ones? [08:56] yes [08:56] I'm told it's in -base but not in the latest updates [08:57] ./language-pack-gnome-sv/data/sv/LC_MESSAGES/gcompris.po [08:57] hm, that's the only one [08:57] (in -updates) [08:58] * pitti does the magic dance to summon carlos [08:58] hmm [08:58] I gave carlos the .pot and I think he said it should be included in the next update [08:59] <\sh> keescook, jdstrand : bug #164501 , gutsy fixes attached...ready for review...thx :) [09:00] Launchpad bug 164501 in wireshark "more security issues with wireshark from 0.99.6 down to ..." [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164501 [09:01] pitti: carlos is on holidays for the month I think [09:06] seb128, pitti: Point taken. They were done in batches, 5 or so minutes appart, once I had confirmed that the packages had built. I still have more left, and I will make an effort to stagger them moreso from now on. [09:07] TheMuso: well, some minutes will make no difference [09:09] seb128: Fair enough, as I said, I'll stagger what I have left moreso than what I tried to do earlier. [09:09] thanks [09:10] pitti: well, I guess I'll email the Rosetta admins and make sure we can make the next lang pack update [09:11] LaserJock: right [09:11] I'll make sure to check the PPA language-pack-gnome-* earlier ;-) [09:12] speaking of which... [09:12] * pitti reenables the dailies [09:13] * LaserJock apologizes to upstream again [09:53] pitti: #163794 is done [09:54] * pitti hugs mvo [09:55] bug #163794 [09:55] Launchpad bug 163794 in tzdata "New timezone data 2007j" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163794 === Amaranth_ is now known as Amaranth [10:05] pitti, are you caring for the pulse transition ? and are you aware that flash wont work with pulse ? [10:06] ogra: transition> ted will do the remainign desktop bits (which mixers to install by default, etc.) [10:06] ogra: flash> no, I'm not; can you please tell my flash plugin that it isn't supposed to work? [10:06] we'll need libflashsupport if we want to use it as default [10:06] ogra: IOW how do you mean? [10:07] Hi [10:07] pitti, http://www.pulseaudio.org/ticket/43 [10:08] there is a lib that fixes the issue, but its very badly packaged upstream and links against lgpl and libssl ... crimsun has a branch linking against tls we should put in the distro https://code.edge.launchpad.net/libflashsupport-pulse [10:08] ogra: doesn't it work for you? flashplugin-nonfree works like a charm for me [10:08] pitti, not on ltsp where we use pulse transport ... [10:09] i'm assuming with pulse as default for the whole desktop the prob will be similar [10:09] ah, then it probably works for me because I don't play anythign over pulse while watching a youtube video, or so [10:10] ogra: can you add that to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Specs/CleanupAudioJumble ? [10:10] i'm not sure, its probably only netwrok transport related (the bug doesnt say much about that)) [10:10] yup, adding [10:10] i'll package the lib anyway, just thought i should point you guys to it [10:10] ogra: thanks [10:11] * TheMuso is actually looking to use padsp to get espeak using portaudio v19 to work via pulse. Initial testing looks good, but I need to play some more. [10:11] ogra: Is setting up LTSP for hardy different to how its done for gutsy et al? [10:11] TheMuso, nope [10:12] ogra: Great, thanks. [10:12] This release, I *REALLY* want speech for that environment to work. [10:12] TheMuso, sudo apt-get install ltsp-server ltsp-server-standalone && sudo ltsp-build-client [10:12] well, it only needs to use the virtual alsa device we have in the users session ... [10:12] ogra: And what needs to happen on the client side? [10:12] nothing [10:13] Ok. [10:13] ltsp-build-client sets up everything for you [10:13] the client just needs to PXE or etherboot from the network [10:13] Ok thanks. [10:14] * TheMuso will obviously have to take down his DHCP server temporarily for this to work, unless theres a way for it to play nice with an existing server [10:14] if i find the time i'll put up a wikipage how to set up a virtualbox thinclient with sound so you can test (indeed its hard to find out if the sound really comes from virtualbox there :) ) [10:14] ogra: Thats why I'd rather use real hardware. [10:15] yea, me too, but i travel a lot and there virtalbox comes in handy ... ;) [10:15] Yep understandable. [10:15] and a thin client in VB doesnt take much (no disk involved) [10:16] Yep. [10:17] ogra: SO does ltsp set up its own DHCP? If so, can that be disabled and adjusted to use an existing server? I'd rather not take down my home network DHCP server if I can help it. [10:18] yup, it can [10:18] Ok thanks. [10:18] ogra: hm, maybe set up the mixer in the VB instance so that it only outputs to the left channel or so? :) [10:18] to make it easier, change my above command to: [10:19] sudo apt-get install ltsp-server libasound2-plugins ltspfs openssh-server nbd-server && sudo ltsp-build-client :) [10:19] that will avoid dhcpd to be installed at all [10:20] but indeed you need some manual work on the existing dhcp server then [10:20] ogra: but then you certainly have to set up your existing dhcp server to have the tftp? [10:20] no, you only need a next-server directive to point to your ltsp server [10:20] so the clients pull their tftp stuff from there [10:20] oh, handy [10:21] ogra: Ok great. What is this virtual alsa device you create, how is it created, and I assume all pulse utilities will see the pulse server anyway and just work? [10:22] thats actually all you need nowadays, since we dont use nfs anymore you dont even need rootpath set :) [10:22] ogra: Oh, much nicer! [10:22] ogra: what do you uuse then? [10:23] TheMuso, pulse runs on the client listening for connections from the server ... in the users session we a) set PULSE_SERVER to point to the client on login and b) run asoundconf set-pulseaudio which creates a virtual alsa device for that etwork tunnel ... usually apps only need to make use of this alsa device then [10:24] Right. [10:24] Chipzz, nbd+squashfs+unionfs :) imagine a liveCD netbooting :) [10:24] oh :) [10:25] th only prob here is that you actually need to reboot all clients if you make changes to the image .... so we keep nfs as an option, but the default is ndb ... which makes ltp booting 10x faster (literally) [10:25] *ltsp [10:30] ogra: nbd == network block device? [10:32] Fujitsu, yep [10:33] I haven't tried LTSP recently... I probably should soon. [10:33] yeah :) [10:34] its just in a massive change though since we make the code ready for fedora upstream ... so things might break along the way to hardy ... [10:35] Is the new stuff in Gutsy? [10:36] yep [10:38] Phew.. I think the dpkg merge is done now. [10:38] * soren wipes sweat off of his brow [10:40] Heh [10:42] soren: Yay! [10:44] eep [10:44] remind me to not upgrade dpkg for a couple days ;) [10:44] * pitti hugs soren [10:44] soren: how bad is the remaining diff? [10:45] soren: debian bug #308285 mentions triggers, but doesn't point to iwj's patch [10:45] Debian bug 308285 in dpkg "Implement triggers to allow running ldconfig" [Wishlist,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/308285 [10:46] pitti: Not all that bad now. A lot of this merge was formatting changes that I needed to inspect to see if they snuck some other bits in that way. [10:46] (nor in any of the 5 duplicates) [10:47] pitti: It's been discussed a bit on the dpkg-dev list. I don't know what the status is, though. [10:47] pitti: I honestly don't know what's keeping it back. [10:49] http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-dpkg@lists.debian.org/msg11922.html [10:49] is the start of the thread, ah [10:50] Yeah. Don't waste your time reading all of it. :) [10:51] It branches off into a discussion about whether git is clever or not. :) [10:51] yeah, I noticed [10:51] but at least the guys are well aware of its existence, and there were a lot of "I want it, too" replies :) [10:59] pitti: Right. I was kind of hoping they'd adopt it before I had to do the merge, but no such luck. With my luck, they'll probably upload a new version tomorrow with trigger support. :( [11:00] ... that doesn't use iwj's implementation [11:00] soren: still better than uploading in half a year :) [11:00] * StevenK watches soren run screaming [11:00] pitti: point :) === pedro is now known as pedro_ [11:05] pedro_: do you have some time today to verify bug 163794? it's rather urgent [11:05] Launchpad bug 163794 in tzdata "New timezone data 2007j" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163794 [11:06] pedro_: sorry, wrong bug; I mean bug 116193 [11:06] Launchpad bug 116193 in tzdata "error upgrading tzdata_2007e to tzdata_2007f" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/116193 [11:06] pitti: sure i'll do it now [11:06] pedro_: thanks a lot [11:08] pitti: in the test case it say have a clean feisty and then upgrade to current gutsy updates is that correct? [11:08] ArneGoetje, ping [11:08] pedro_: you don't need to upgrade the entire distro; merely upgrading tzdata to gutsy final or -proposed is sufficient [11:09] pedro_: (i. e. to gutsy final to reproduce the bug, and feisty->gutsy-proposed to check the fix) [11:09] ok cool [11:09] pedro_: unfortunately feisty->gutsy-final will ruin /etc/timezone, so you have to reconfigure it when reverting to feisty version for the second test [11:13] pitti: ok, thanks you [11:25] pitti: please give-back: urca unison. Thanks. [11:25] geser: done [11:35] pitti: we're done! [11:35] verification done [11:35] pedro_: rock, thanks! [11:36] you're welcome :-) === iceman_ is now known as iceman === dholbach_ is now known as dholbach [11:42] * Hobbsee waves [11:43] Hi, Hobbsee! [11:43] hey soren! how's it going? [11:43] Better now that I (think I) am done merging dpkg. [11:44] hey Hobbsee ;-) [11:44] soren: hah. how'd you get stuck with it? TIL principle? [11:44] hey again seb128 :) [11:44] Hobbsee: I honestly don't know. [11:44] Hobbsee: that applies from now on :) [11:44] heya pitti! [11:44] pitti: heh [11:44] Hobbsee: Ian TIL, but he's not around. [11:44] ahhh [11:47] TheMuso: there is a new at-spi available, it has been uploaded to debian experimental if you want to merge the new version [11:48] TheMuso: the only ubuntu change has been commited to the debian svn too so it'll be syncable after the next update [11:49] seb128: I knew about the at-spi release, I'm on gnome-announce now. I filed a bug with the bits needed for upload, but I'll merge with Debian and adjust the bug accordingly. [11:49] TheMuso: ok, thanks [11:49] TheMuso: no need to bother [11:50] TheMuso: if you already did the update I'll sponsor this one, there is no debian change [11:50] seb128: Ok. [11:51] anyone know who maintains ubuntustats.com? [11:52] oh dear, they're in trouble [11:53] Haha. [11:58] highvoltage, see info in footer at: http://209.85.173.104/search?q=cache:VCatX8TNPdsJ:bugs.ubuntustats.com/+contact+site:ubuntustats.com&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=au&client=firefox-a [11:58] * elkbuntu <3's google caching :) [11:59] mvo: any plans to make command-not-found work for zsh? [11:59] (and why doesn't it already?) [11:59] highvoltage: beuno is here :) [12:00] * Hobbsee pokes infinity with a large stick [12:02] * Hobbsee hopes for some l-u-m soon [12:03] <\sh> lol [12:03] * Hobbsee would like some wifi [12:04] Riddell: oh, did you NEW the linux binaries? [12:04] Riddell: they FTBFSed on most arches, so I'd rather have rejected them [12:05] (just in case something is wrong in e. g. linux-libc-dev) [12:08] pitti: mm, which ones? [12:09] seb128: weird, your devhelp upload just seems to work; when I built it locally with that change I got a segfault, which is why I didn't upload it [12:09] Riddell: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/2.6.24-1.1 [12:09] pitti: dunno why you had a segfault, it was working correctly for me so I uploaded [12:09] yeah, and the debs from the archive work fine as well [12:09] *shrug* [12:10] pitti: I'm pretty sure that wasn't me [12:10] * Hobbsee looks innocent [12:10] Riddell: ah, ok [12:11] seb128: "Who always understands what he is doing stays below his capabilities" :) [12:11] pitti: I prefer the other side of that quote. [12:11] I didn't new linux [12:12] it was slangasek's archive day before mine, possibly him [12:12] seb128: I alluded to me not understanding the devhelp crash, not NEWing [12:12] slangasek has archive days? Which day is that? [12:12] soren: Monday [12:12] you guys have been doing some good job, NEW was empty yesterday evening [12:12] all of 'em [12:12] still is. gotta upload more crack, i think [12:12] pitti: Mithrandir doesn't have archive days, then? [12:13] * pitti restrains Hobbsee; it was hard hard work to get it like that :) [12:13] soren: not any more [12:13] pitti: I know, I was just pointing it because I though I might be next on the list of people who could have accepted it ;-) [12:13] * Hobbsee tickles pitti [12:13] pitti: Ok. I didn't know. [12:13] seb128: when I have an archive day, I don't stop until the job is done :) [12:13] seb128: it's all GTK's fault anyway, and so is the linux FTBFS! [12:13] doh [12:13] Hobbsee: I don't use zsh, the readme has some hints on how to make it work. yeah, we should do that by default I guess [12:13] ;-) [12:14] soren: Mithrandir hasn't done regular archive days since mobile started taking all his time, as far as I know [12:14] mvo: right, will look then [12:14] Riddell: http://people.ubuntu.com/~ubuntu-archive/testing/hardy_outdate.txt KTHXBYE :) [12:14] Riddell: Oh. I should stop bothering him about that sort of thing then :) [12:14] soren: it's him you want to bug about givebacks [12:14] * pitti nudges soren to upload dpkg to resolve some of the depwaits on hardy_outdate.txt [12:15] pitti: Dude, that shit is scary. [12:15] soren: (just joking) [12:16] soren: so how about the cdbs merge, for some light relief? [12:16] "Light" [12:16] pitti: I'm pushing it to my ppa in a few minutes. [12:16] Hobbsee: but your long pointy stick is now long enough to reach to the buildd's retry knobs, too [12:16] pitti: indeed :P [12:16] pitti: people seem to know this far too well [12:16] cdbs merge? isn't that mine? [12:16] pitti: did you merge it first for hardy? [12:17] ages ago AFAIK [12:17] oh goody [12:17] cdbs was like the first thing uploaded after the toolchain [12:17] geser: was supposed to. *shakes fist* [12:17] Hobbsee: I've got plenty of merges on my list already, thank you very much. :) [12:17] http://merges.ubuntu.com/c/cdbs -> 404 [12:17] pitti: well, thankyou. that means i can continue to ignore the idea of cdbs and merging :) [12:17] Hobbsee: it's one of my pet packages and it's rather toolchainish, so it went in very early [12:18] excellent! next time, i'll make you sponsor the changes :P [12:18] pitti: oh yes, that's right, because i called you out on the changelog. [12:18] Hobbsee: did that happen? I didn't see anything in bzr [12:18] pitti: when did it go in bzr? [12:18] pitti, could you please give-back cdd on hardy? [12:18] * Hobbsee did the sponsorship in late feisty [12:18] DktrKranz: i'll do it [12:19] DktrKranz: given back [12:19] Hobbsee, thanks [12:19] Hobbsee: erm, dunno, must be years [12:19] pitti: then there are 2 changes that i have never merged in then, sorry :) [12:19] pitti: does it not have a vcs link, or did i ignore it? [12:20] $ asrc cdbs|grep Bzr [12:20] Vcs-Bzr: https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/cdbs/ubuntu [12:20] hmmm [12:20] * Hobbsee wonders why she didn't see this [12:21] pitti: why asrc, btw? [12:21] pitti: asrc == apt-cache showsrc ? [12:21] right, sorry [12:21] * Hobbsee uses showsrc [12:21] * pitti believes in Huffmann encoding for often-used aliases [12:22] * Hobbsee wonders how long it's going to take before she's learned that the rmadison aliases have changed [12:22] pitti: Take almost every letter until every person needs to ask what it expands to? [12:22] doesn't help that i occasionally have to do stuff on gutsy, where it's reversed [12:23] How did rmadison change? [12:23] the default distro [12:23] StevenK: I don't normally paste them in alias form in IRC, was just a mistake [12:23] * Hobbsee was using rmadison and urmadison [12:23] you should know, you merged it. [12:23] I did not. [12:23] soren did [12:23] I think irssi nick completion does this; it expands a substr to the most used version of the complete nick. However, that isn't as predicatable (for the human) as pure maximum prefix expansions [12:24] I just changed the default distro since cjwatson said it probably should [12:24] Hobbsee: Ubuntu was the default already. I just updated rmadison --help to actually show that that was the case. [12:24] StevenK: it's your name on the changelog. you cant blame soren, i'm afriad. [12:24] and Ctrl-R in bash already gets you more recent, most unique substr completition [12:24] * Change the default URL parameter of rmadison to be ubuntu. The old [12:24] behaviour can be used by 'rmadison -u debian'. [12:24] -- Steve Kowalik Sun, 11 Nov 2007 08:14:51 +1100 [12:25] Hobbsee: Oh, it's that recent? I thought I had gone mad! [12:25] Bwahaha [12:25] StevenK/cjwatson: if you fixed it, can you mark the bug report as closed... bug #152424 [12:25] Launchpad bug 152424 in devscripts "rmadision should default to 'ubuntu' URL when under Ubuntu." [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/152424 [12:25] soren: it's changed in hardy and gutsy [12:25] er, between hardy and gutsy [12:25] so gutsy uses old behaviour, hardy uses changed. [12:25] sladen: Aye, thanks [12:26] Hobbsee: I see. [12:26] * soren curses dholbach for not telling him about listadmin a *long* time ago. [12:27] listadmin FTW! [12:27] soren: *g* [12:27] You all knew? [12:27] And noone told me? [12:27] I hate you all. [12:27] Right. [12:27] cjwatson: enlightened me when giving me access to ubuntu-devel [12:27] soren: Kiss kiss [12:27] * Hobbsee did u-u-s all by hand though, for ages [12:27] * soren feels Hobbsee's pain [12:27] * Hobbsee would prefer not to see StevenK and soren kissing, thanks. [12:27] * Hobbsee covers eyes [12:27] * sladen does u-u-e-n-c-o-d-e- by hand though... [12:28] Hobbsee: Did what? It was what, one message every two weeks? [12:28] StevenK: before you sanitized the filter [12:28] Oh on revu [12:28] Yeah well [12:28] sladen: bug 152424 nailed shut, thanks [12:28] Launchpad bug 152424 in devscripts "rmadision should default to 'ubuntu' URL when under Ubuntu." [Wishlist,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/152424 [12:28] StevenK: now try jpeg in your head [12:29] Treenaks: u-u-s, ubuntu-universe-sponsors, smartalec [12:29] StevenK: uhr, I meant to say sladen: [12:29] StevenK: just steal his camera. [12:29] StevenK: pressed tab too often [12:30] Hobbsee: Ha, still scared of that? :) [12:30] Treenaks: cameras are evil! [12:30] * soren goes to lunch [12:30] * Hobbsee is not photogenic, and therefore hates all cameras. [12:30] * StevenK isn't either [12:30] unless, somehow, the sky falls in, and they manage to take decent pictures, whcih don't make me look like i'm on drugs or something. [12:30] So I switched sides of the camera, I like them better that way [12:31] StevenK: why do you think I'm behind the camera :) [12:32] * StevenK grins [12:32] StevenK: fixed in 2.10.10ubuntu1, *documented* in 2.10.10ubuntu2 :-P [12:33] Actually, it was changed in 2.10.10ubuntu2 [12:34] maybe the changelog is lying; I could ask the person who did the update [12:37] TheMuso: could you try to include the LP number in the changelog so the bugs are closed on upload? [12:37] TheMuso: I did sponsor your at-spi and gnome-orca updates, thanks for the work on those [12:45] ogra: Re: "certificate exception workflow in ffox 3" ... its now like this: http://people.ubuntu.com/~asac/ogra/ [12:46] * Hobbsee waves to asac [12:46] hi Hobbsee !! [12:46] asac: any chance of getting firefox addons upgraded at some point, so it works with ff3? [12:47] asac, is there a chance to skip shot 3 and 4 ? like it was before ? [12:47] ogra: no [12:48] ogra: imo it does a good job [12:48] ogra: its not just "click through" anymore. [12:49] Hobbsee: yes ... I wanted to sort out xulrunner and the gecko embedders first [12:49] asac: ahhh, okay. cool. [12:50] well, the clicking-through just becomes more lengthy and frustrating now :) [12:50] Hobbsee: of course it depends on extension authors supporting ffox 3 [12:51] asac: well, of course. most of them appear to work (more or less) fine when forced. [12:51] the extensions, that is, not the authors. [12:51] asac, id the url prefilled in the dalog ? [12:51] *dialog [12:51] ogra: yes [12:53] mvo: ping [12:54] asac, perfect then :) [12:55] ogra: good. === cjwatson_ is now known as cjwatson [12:56] pitti: hmmm ... remember that you don't add exceptions every day ... so making it a bit harder isn't that bad on its own. imo this solution does a good job in getting users attention while not getting in their way [12:56] asac: I agree [12:56] asac: the root problem is still that people got used to the fact of bad certificates [12:57] asac: however, I see a huge benefit in making a big fuss if a cert *changes* [12:58]