=== sabotage is now known as sabotage_afk === lc is now known as lcstudio [08:22] good morning [08:37] dholbach: Good morning Daniel! [08:38] * jussi01 gives dholbach a Huge hug :) [08:38] * dholbach hugs jussi01 back :) [08:38] :D === dholbach_ is now known as dholbach [11:42] Hello All. [11:53] jussi01: Hello. [11:54] agoliveira: Hi. do you know the process if I wanted to compile ubuntu mobile for arm? and if there are already arm images? [11:55] If you wanted to compile Ubuntu Mobile for ARM, you'd first need to port Ubuntu to ARM, it isn't a platform we support. [11:56] StevenK: ummm...ok. [11:57] jussi01: The primary platform, at least at the moment, it's the Intel's LPIA which is x86 based. Personally, I want to port it to arm but as a pet project, not related to Canonical. [11:58] agoliveira: It should be easy-ish, given Debian supports ARM [11:58] agoliveira: Cool. what is the process?? [11:58] StevenK: Yep. [11:59] Easier than say, lool's toaster. [11:59] StevenK: isnt maemo runnng on arm (n800)? [11:59] jussi01: Well, basically get a arm based device, fix the kernel and try to compile the rest of the applications using crosscompiling generally. [12:00] jussi01: Right, but that doesn't use Ubuntu. [12:00] jussi01: Yes, maemo is the the base of the nseries of web tablets. [12:01] I intend to get a Chumby to do that as the Nokia devices have some proprietary parts that would make difficult to port UME to it. [12:01] agoliveira: Personally, I'd suggest you get a high MHz ARM box as a workhorse for the port. [12:02] agoliveira: I have a custom kernel running on an arm device. How does one go about cross compiling? [12:03] StevenK: That would be nice indeed but too expensive for me here. [12:04] agoliveira: I _may_ have access to one of those in the near future.... [12:05] jussi01: This is quite a lenghy subject to go over here but usually you have a x86 compiler that can produce arm binaries in this example. After compilation you test those binaries on the target device or an emulator. [12:06] jussi01: As I said, *if* I try something, it will be a pet project, just for fun, nothing serious. [12:06] agoliveira: ok. I need to continue something at work, but I will grab you to talk a little more in a little while. [12:06] jussi01: Sure. [12:06] :) [12:21] jussi01: why not try to apt-get the ubuntu sources inside scratchbox and then compile? [12:44] lool: Did you see my email from earlier today? [12:48] agoliveira: whats a Chumby? [12:49] ian_brasil: http://www.chumby.com/ [12:50] Fenario: Got it now [12:50] Fenario: he's jussi01 here :) [12:50] lool: what channel is jussi01 on ? [12:50] jussi01: Fenario (Jon Melamut) is making himself available to contact you [12:50] Fenario: He's here?! [12:51] lool: how would jussi01 be on a Canonical channel? [12:51] Fenario: Hahaha; the email ended in my "admin-cron" folder because of the subject line :) [12:51] Fenario: This isn't a canonical channel; this is a public channel [12:52] Fenario: We're in #ubuntu-mobile on freenode; /me waves [12:52] lool: sorry I realived I am on the wrong channel :- [12:54] agoliveira: way cool, i want one [12:58] jussi01: ping [13:08] ian_brasil: I'm thiking about get one of those in January [13:10] Fenario: pong [13:11] agoliveira: maybe we should import a load to Brazil and sell then from the Manaus free zone ! [13:12] ian_brasil: I know a few fellow geeks who would love one :) [13:13] agoliveira: i imagine, they look awesome and pretty cheap too [13:20] Fenario: ? [13:21] jussi01: hello [14:10] StevenK: I saw you updated the spec for Java in UME. I recommend you not bother with IBM or Blackdown, and instead look just at the IcedTea VM. [14:11] Blackdown effectively died several years ago, and IcedTea is the real thing. [14:12] (Sun's JRE - not IcedTea - would be my first choice but I don't think the license is ubuntu-friendly?) [14:14] Also, I think one key feature that needs to work is Java applet support, which requires a Java plugin for the browser. I'm not sure if any VMs do that yet, other than the offical Sun VM. [14:15] Sun's JRE is not very friendly, no [14:15] We can distribute the Sun VM [14:16] It's non-free, but the same is true of Blackdown and IBM [14:16] smagoun: I'll update the mini-spec to drop IBM or Blackdown [14:18] (The IBM VM supports java 5 while Java 7 is on the way from Sun) [14:18] smagoun: mini-spec updated, thanks [14:19] cool === cprov is now known as cprov-lunch === asac_ is now known as asac [15:39] asac, You there? [15:39] Hmm, more LPIA bustage - agoliveira's evince patches didn't make it into gutsy/LPIA: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/evince/2.20.0-0ubuntu3/+build/403195 [15:40] * smagoun thinks the LPIA build queue needs a babysitter, this has happened a number of times [15:40] asac, How do I hack networkmanager to run wpasupplicant with -dd option.? [15:41] smagoun: Weird... I can see my patch on the source [15:42] agoliveira: lpia build failed because of a dep problem [15:43] smagoun: Yes, libhildon-1-dev is missing and makes sense as it's a requirement for evince on LIPA. [15:43] LPIA [15:43] ... [15:44] As a matter of fact, not many applications will build there with this one missing === cprov-lunch is now known as cprov [15:53] smagoun: The buildd admins should be given back builds which are failing for some archive temporary problem and the uploader should be dealing with build failures AFAIK [15:54] Looking at this build log, I think the buildd admin will deal with it [15:54] lool: when? The failure is almost 2 months old. :) [15:54] raji: wait a sec [15:55] lool: Several other packages aren't correct in gutsy/lpia, like tasks and freetype1. It's a systemic problem that needs to be fixed [15:55] smagoun: I wonder whether this build was attempted before ppas would pull from universe [15:55] smagoun: It looks like the buildds would only pull from gutsy/main in the log [15:56] smagoun: I don't know who's exactly supposed to look into missing builds; if you find out, I'm interested [15:56] lool: I added an action item for tomorrow's meeting, I want to find out too. :) [15:57] raji: http://people.ubuntu.com/~asac/nm_supp_debug.diff [15:57] smagoun: But then, apart of StevenK, I'm not sure who would be knowledgeable on this during the meeting [15:57] smagoun: I remember that Tollef was looking into this. [16:13] asac, thanks === sabotage_afk is now known as sabotage === henrix_ is now known as henrix [18:32] davidm: ping [18:32] kyleN, pong, what's up? [18:33] i got an email on the list from a fellow I met at UDS/cambridge and he's wasking about location-based activities on UME. [18:33] not sure what to say, can you give me something? [18:33] Not sure what you are looking for? [18:33] what will UME do to support location based apps liked GPS, if anything [18:34] any API we might support, etc [18:35] Well some will have GPS's and we are planning on have gpsd in the build to support that. [18:36] Beyond that for hardy I'm not sure we have plans yet. [18:36] is gspd an open source daemon package or something? [18:37] s/gspd/gpsd [18:38] i found it on wikipedia, thanks [18:41] NP, gpsd is quite handy since it will allow several applications at a time share the gps data stream. [18:43] cool. And i just realized the email was to me and another fellow personally, not to the list. I responded withe the gspd info. [18:44] The fellow was in the mobile room much of the week at UDS. [18:46] usm7f5 [18:46] wrong window [18:47] kyleN: apt-get install gpsd :) [18:47] thanks Ian! ;) [18:49] geoclue can get location based info either from gpsd (if a gps device is attached) or from hostip.info ,plazes and other web based location services if not [18:55] geoclue can also be used by any application that would like to use location information (YMMV with this though a.t.m) [19:29] asac: would you support a patch to network-manager-applet, that adds a file called "src/load.c" which mirrors the behavior of "src/main.c" but builds nm-applet into a hildon status bar library instead of an executable? === cprov is now known as cprov-out === asac_ is now known as asac