[08:22] <dholbach> good morning
[08:37] <jussi01> dholbach: Good morning Daniel!
[08:38]  * jussi01 gives dholbach a Huge hug :)
[08:38]  * dholbach hugs jussi01 back :)
[08:38] <jussi01> :D
[11:42] <jussi01> Hello All.
[11:53] <agoliveira> jussi01: Hello.
[11:54] <jussi01> agoliveira: Hi. do you know the process if I wanted to compile ubuntu mobile for arm? and if there are already arm images?
[11:55] <StevenK> If you wanted to compile Ubuntu Mobile for ARM, you'd first need to port Ubuntu to ARM, it isn't a platform we support.
[11:56] <jussi01> StevenK: ummm...ok. 
[11:57] <agoliveira> jussi01: The primary platform, at least at the moment, it's the Intel's LPIA which is x86 based. Personally, I want to port it to arm but as a pet project, not related to Canonical.
[11:58] <StevenK> agoliveira: It should be easy-ish, given Debian supports ARM
[11:58] <jussi01> agoliveira: Cool. what is the process??
[11:58] <agoliveira> StevenK: Yep.
[11:59] <StevenK> Easier than say, lool's toaster.
[11:59] <jussi01> StevenK: isnt maemo runnng on arm (n800)?
[11:59] <agoliveira> jussi01: Well, basically get a arm based device, fix the kernel and try to compile the rest of the applications using crosscompiling generally.
[12:00] <StevenK> jussi01: Right, but that doesn't use Ubuntu.
[12:00] <agoliveira> jussi01: Yes, maemo is the the base of the nseries of web tablets.
[12:01] <agoliveira> I intend to get a Chumby to do that as the Nokia devices have some proprietary parts that would make difficult to port UME to it.
[12:01] <StevenK> agoliveira: Personally, I'd suggest you get a high MHz ARM box as a workhorse for the port.
[12:02] <jussi01> agoliveira: I have a custom kernel running on an arm device. How does one go about cross compiling? 
[12:03] <agoliveira> StevenK: That would be nice indeed but too expensive for me here.
[12:04] <jussi01> agoliveira: I _may_ have access to one  of those in the near future....
[12:05] <agoliveira> jussi01: This is quite a lenghy subject to go over here but usually you have a x86 compiler that can produce arm binaries in this example. After compilation you test those binaries on the target device or an emulator.
[12:06] <agoliveira> jussi01: As I said, *if* I try something, it will be a pet project, just for fun, nothing serious.
[12:06] <jussi01> agoliveira: ok. I need to continue something at work, but I will grab you to talk a little more in a little while. 
[12:06] <agoliveira> jussi01: Sure.
[12:06] <jussi01> :)
[12:21] <ian_brasil> jussi01: why not try to apt-get the ubuntu sources inside scratchbox and then compile?
[12:44] <Fenario> lool: Did you see my email from earlier today?
[12:48] <ian_brasil> agoliveira: whats a Chumby?
[12:49] <agoliveira> ian_brasil: http://www.chumby.com/
[12:50] <lool> Fenario: Got it now
[12:50] <lool> Fenario: he's jussi01 here :)
[12:50] <Fenario> lool: what channel is jussi01 on ?
[12:50] <lool> jussi01: Fenario (Jon Melamut) is making himself available to contact you
[12:50] <lool> Fenario: He's here?!
[12:51] <Fenario> lool: how would jussi01 be on a Canonical channel?
[12:51] <lool> Fenario: Hahaha; the email ended in my "admin-cron" folder because of the subject line :)
[12:51] <lool> Fenario: This isn't a canonical channel; this is a public channel
[12:52] <lool> Fenario: We're in #ubuntu-mobile on freenode; /me waves
[12:52] <Fenario> lool: sorry I realived I am on the wrong channel :-
[12:54] <ian_brasil> agoliveira: way cool, i want one
[12:58] <Fenario> jussi01: ping
[13:08] <agoliveira> ian_brasil: I'm thiking about get one of those in January
[13:10] <jussi01> Fenario: pong
[13:11] <ian_brasil> agoliveira: maybe we should import a load to Brazil and sell then from the Manaus free zone !
[13:12] <agoliveira> ian_brasil: I know a few fellow geeks who would love one :)
[13:13] <ian_brasil> agoliveira: i imagine, they look awesome and pretty cheap too
[13:20] <jussi01> Fenario: ?
[13:21] <Fenario> jussi01: hello
[14:10] <smagoun> StevenK: I saw you updated the spec for Java in UME. I recommend you not bother with IBM or Blackdown, and instead look just at the IcedTea VM.
[14:11] <smagoun> Blackdown effectively died several years ago, and IcedTea is the real thing.
[14:12] <smagoun> (Sun's JRE - not IcedTea - would be my first choice but I don't think the license is ubuntu-friendly?)
[14:14] <smagoun> Also, I think one key feature that needs to work is Java applet support, which requires a Java plugin for the browser. I'm not sure if any VMs do that yet, other than the offical Sun VM.
[14:15] <StevenK> Sun's JRE is not very friendly, no
[14:15] <mjg59> We can distribute the Sun VM
[14:16] <mjg59> It's non-free, but the same is true of Blackdown and IBM
[14:16] <StevenK> smagoun: I'll update the mini-spec to drop IBM or Blackdown
[14:18] <smagoun> (The IBM VM supports java 5 while Java 7 is on the way from Sun)
[14:18] <StevenK> smagoun: mini-spec updated, thanks
[14:19] <smagoun> cool
[15:39] <raji> asac, You there?
[15:39] <smagoun> Hmm, more LPIA bustage - agoliveira's evince patches didn't make it into gutsy/LPIA: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/evince/2.20.0-0ubuntu3/+build/403195
[15:40]  * smagoun thinks the LPIA build queue needs a babysitter, this has happened a number of times
[15:40] <raji> asac, How do I hack networkmanager to run wpasupplicant with -dd option.?
[15:41] <agoliveira> smagoun: Weird... I can see my patch on the source
[15:42] <smagoun> agoliveira: lpia build failed because of a dep problem
[15:43] <agoliveira> smagoun: Yes, libhildon-1-dev is missing and makes sense as it's a requirement for evince on LIPA.
[15:43] <agoliveira> LPIA
[15:43] <smagoun> ...
[15:44] <agoliveira> As a matter of fact, not many applications will build there with this one missing
[15:53] <lool> smagoun: The buildd admins should be given back builds which are failing for some archive temporary problem and the uploader should be dealing with build failures AFAIK
[15:54] <lool> Looking at this build log, I think the buildd admin will deal with it
[15:54] <smagoun> lool: when? The failure is almost 2 months old. :)
[15:54] <asac> raji: wait a sec
[15:55] <smagoun> lool: Several other packages aren't correct in gutsy/lpia, like tasks and freetype1. It's a systemic problem that needs to be fixed
[15:55] <lool> smagoun: I wonder whether this build was attempted before ppas would pull from universe
[15:55] <lool> smagoun: It looks like the buildds would only pull from gutsy/main in the log
[15:56] <lool> smagoun: I don't know who's exactly supposed to look into missing builds; if you find out, I'm interested
[15:56] <smagoun> lool: I added an action item for tomorrow's meeting, I want to find out too. :)
[15:57] <asac> raji: http://people.ubuntu.com/~asac/nm_supp_debug.diff
[15:57] <lool> smagoun: But then, apart of StevenK, I'm not sure who would be knowledgeable on this during the meeting
[15:57] <agoliveira> smagoun: I remember that Tollef was looking into this.
[16:13] <raji> asac, thanks
[18:32] <kyleN> davidm: ping
[18:32] <davidm> kyleN, pong, what's up?
[18:33] <kyleN> i got an email on the list from a fellow I met at UDS/cambridge and he's wasking about location-based activities on UME.
[18:33] <kyleN> not sure what to say, can you give me something?
[18:33] <davidm> Not sure what you are looking for?
[18:33] <kyleN> what will UME do to support location based apps liked GPS, if anything
[18:34] <kyleN> any API we might support, etc
[18:35] <davidm> Well some will have GPS's and we are planning on have gpsd in the build to support that.
[18:36] <davidm> Beyond that for hardy I'm not sure we have plans yet.
[18:36] <kyleN> is gspd an open source daemon package or something?
[18:37] <kyleN> s/gspd/gpsd
[18:38] <kyleN> i found it on wikipedia, thanks
[18:41] <davidm> NP, gpsd is quite handy since it will allow several applications at a time share the gps data stream.
[18:43] <kyleN> cool. And i just realized the email was to me and another fellow personally, not to the list. I responded withe the gspd info. 
[18:44] <kyleN> The fellow was in the mobile room much of the week at UDS.
[18:46] <kyleN> usm7f5
[18:46] <kyleN> wrong window
[18:47] <ian_brasil> kyleN: apt-get install gpsd :)
[18:47] <kyleN> thanks Ian! ;)
[18:49] <ian_brasil> geoclue can get location based info either from gpsd (if a gps device is attached) or from hostip.info ,plazes and other web based location services if not 
[18:55] <ian_brasil> geoclue  can also be used by any application that would like to use location information (YMMV with this though a.t.m)
[19:29] <ToddBrandt> asac: would you support a patch to network-manager-applet, that adds a file called "src/load.c" which mirrors the behavior of "src/main.c" but builds nm-applet into a hildon status bar library instead of an executable?