[00:19] Is there anyone that can mentor me? [00:20] * Flare183 hopes that someon could mentor him [00:24] anyone? [00:25] !motuy [00:25] Sorry, I don't know anything about motuy - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi [00:25] !motu [00:25] motu is short for Masters of the Universe. The brave souls who maintain the packages in the Universe section of Ubuntu. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU [00:25] most people arent' around at this time of day [00:25] and i think there's a place to register for it [00:25] !mentoring [00:25] Sorry, I don't know anything about mentoring - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi [00:25] wow [00:26] Flare183: if you're looking for help with a specific question, please ask it. If you're looking for a general commitment from a "mentor", like Hobbsee says there's some sign-up list for such things (though I'm afraid I don't know where) [00:27] Flare183: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/MOTU/Mentoring [00:27] Found it thanks [00:27] groovy [00:27] also hit up the list [00:28] * Hobbsee would suggest that one reads the FAQ bfeore asking such questions, which would lead you to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/FAQ#head-46634de24118604a33c6eccd2960a598d906daf9 [00:28] ok thanks guys soon i will be join you all [00:28] joining [00:29] Flare183: Please keep in mind that the formal mentoring process is completely optional. You are free to dive in and ask questions as needed here. [00:29] evening [00:30] I know i just trying to give that "big" contribution that I have to give [00:32] Hey everybody. [00:35] moins all, Hobbsee, slangasek, ScottK, zul, nixternal [00:35] hey imbrandon [00:35] Heya imbrandon. [00:35] Morning imbrandon [00:35] nixternal: was just talking to Whiprush about penguincon(sp?) i have the time off confirmed from $work, woot [00:35] heya StevenK [00:36] hola! imbrandon [00:36] moinmoin and ikiwiki [00:36] ello Gunner_Sr_ [00:36] slangasek: heh [00:38] slangasek / StevenK : btw over last week i roped a "full time" DD sponsor, woot, not only does this mean i dont have to periodicly bug random DD's for uplaods but $sometime it will make a NM application easier [00:38] Poor bastard. [00:38] Oh, I mean, that's good. [00:38] hehe [00:38] :-P [00:39] i'm thinking just after Hardy realease i'll apply for NM, as long as i keep on the same path etc [00:41] imbrandon: Applying doesn't take long (if you've got your key signed) and there's lots of waiting in the process. Why not get started. [00:42] ScottK: i have a few more cleanups on my packages i'd liek to complete by then , and plus i do have signatures but no DD signatuers and likely wont untill April 08 [00:42] ScottK: what is NM? [00:42] New Maintainer ( e.g. apply to be a DD ) [00:42] Gunner_Sr_: ^^ [00:42] thx [00:43] ScottK: plus untill now i've always had $random DD do uploads for me, i dont think one single DD has made 2 uploads for me, so getting a advocate is a bit hard that way [00:44] thast really the main thing [00:44] Yeah. That can make it tough. [00:44] i COULD drive to St.L in one afternoon and get a sig if i needed [00:44] DD Sig [00:44] There you go. [00:45] That or go to the next UDS since you're in no hurry. [00:45] i'll see quite a few people from UDS in April [00:45] :) [00:45] imbrandon: Is this in relation to getting your key verified? [00:45] Gunner_Sr_: kinda, thats one of the things, yes [00:46] for Debian, not Ubuntu, ubutnu uses the WoT , debian requires the DD WoT [00:46] imbrandon: I just did that through biglumber and met a person in my local area. [00:46] Gunner_Sr_: its not a matter of that, i have plenty of normal sigs, i need a DD sig :) [00:47] * ajmitch wonders where the next UDS will be [00:47] imbrandon: Ah, got it. [00:47] * StevenK does too [00:47] * imbrandon bets it wont be in the US [00:47] I wished Launchpad checked a key was trusted before it let you import it. [00:47] UDS? [00:47] mok0: Ubuntu Development Summit [00:48] Ubuntu Developers Summit [00:48] thx [00:48] StevenK: yea, that would be nice [00:48] imbrandon: The hardest thing I am starting to realize is that there is not alot of loco activity in the Midwest of US. [00:48] Gunner_Sr_: nope, not much [00:48] Gunner_Sr_: Where are you located? [00:48] Gunner_Sr_: we are so spread out , out here [00:48] Gunner_Sr_: where are you ? [00:49] Seattle, WA [00:49] ahh [00:49] * ScottK has never heard that described as part of the midwest before. [00:49] actualy there is alot of LUG activity out here but not alot of debian or ubuntu specific [00:49] * Gunner_Sr_ agrees [00:50] ScottK: heh me either [00:50] * Gunner_Sr_ lol [00:51] ScottK: see the new "midwest" theme i'm working on for my blog ? still alot of bugs in it thus not live, but have a peek http://69.247.213.131/ [00:51] * ScottK looks. [00:51] ( its running a DB copy of the data ) [00:51] Definitely looks midwest, although more Iowa than KS/MO. [00:52] heh well at one point in history all the beef in the US came through KC :) [00:52] * Gunner_Sr_ cow tippin, heheh [00:52] imbrandon: I'm old enough to remember the smell. [00:52] Yeah, but that isn't now. [00:52] :) [00:52] imbrandon: Did you get you new computer? [00:53] StevenK: yea but our stockyards are still an attraction [00:53] If all the beef came from the US, then all of the politi... eer, manure came from there too [00:53] s/the US/KC/ [00:53] Gunner_Sr_: no, not yet, only ~50% of the way there [00:53] imbrandon: okey dokey. [00:54] StevenK: When I was growing up, we certainly had our share of it. You could smell the stockyards in most of the city and it's a BIG city. [00:54] heh yea [00:54] Um, ew [00:55] imbrandon: Here's a quarter, buy yourself a real computer :-P [00:55] now they are just a tourist attration and mall-ish area [00:55] * StevenK actually has a few US quarters on his table [00:55] heh [00:56] * imbrandon directs StevenK to his holiday computer fund page [00:56] imbrandon: I have a few P3 servers lying around too... [00:56] imbrandon: I saw it. Personally, I buy my own hardware rather than have the Internet buy it for me. [00:57] I wouldn't mind having some P3 boxes around if I could figure out how to make them into a cluster [00:58] tonyyarusso: You can, just use LIMULUS.. [00:58] tonyyarusso: It is called a personal cluster. [00:58] tonyyarusso: If you want a farm of builders, you can use distcc [00:59] StevenK: i do both :) [00:59] StevenK: interesting [01:00] i figured , why not try :) [01:00] StevenK: I use it from my notebook to my quad server. :-) [01:00] Gunner_Sr_: apt-cache doesn't show that - link? [01:00] *sigh* nother interview tomorrow [01:00] zul: any offers yet? [01:00] tonyyarusso: goto http://limulus.basement-supercomputing.com [01:00] imbrandon: nope not yet...its coming soon i can feel it in my bones [01:01] zul: best-o-luck :) [01:01] Gunner_Sr_: heh, "check back soon".. [01:01] Gunner_Sr_: web server is down :( [01:01] zul: "Yes, we have an opening for you. Please don't slam it on the way out." [01:01] Updating - check back soon - 11/1/2007 [01:01] StevenK: heh [01:02] Supercomputing. eh? [01:02] Gunner_Sr_: I'm curious, tell us about LIMULUS [01:03] * Gunner_Sr_ Interesting, last time I spoke to Doug he was suppose to have it up and running. [01:04] zul: i started with www.vml.com last month, lovin is so far, i even get to use Ubuntu on my workstation :) [01:04] mok0: trying to build/buy/use of the shelf personal hardware to build clusters. [01:04] imbrandon: cool its nice when they let you do that [01:05] Neat. The website is flash [01:05] yea not all of it, infact not even important parts [01:06] but with customers like MS and Adidas they want "flashy" stuff [01:06] Well, your company has the right number of letters for Adidas' usual customers [01:06] mok0: supposedly to price to performance of less than $100 per GFLOPS. [01:06] Gunner_Sr_: Wow [01:06] StevenK: ?? [01:07] imbrandon: Never mind [01:07] heh [01:07] http://www.vml.com/client.aspx [01:07] Gunner_Sr_: What's the software used? [01:08] mok0: Microwulf is another project at http://www.calvin.edu/~adams/research/microwulf/ [01:08] StevenK: even bluetooth.com ( *rolls eyes* ) heh [01:08] imbrandon: What are you doing there, though? [01:08] Unix/Linux sysadmin [01:08] I am packaging the torque batch system for Ubuntu [01:08] imbrandon: For how many machines? [01:09] personaly about 300, but we have a few thousand [01:09] Neat [01:09] Gunner_Sr_: Microwulf, cool! [01:09] about 100 Solaris 9 boxen, 2 or 3 AIX boxen and a TON of CentOS/Ubuntu mix [01:09] StevenK: ^ [01:10] imbrandon: I am going to be in Michigan that week already [01:10] Eww, AIX [01:10] imbrandon: then you can dump the redhat knock off and use gentoo ;) [01:10] yea it runs some funky fax to creditcard gateway stuff thats getting phased out [01:10] oh wait.. [01:11] * StevenK gags zul and throws him in the closet [01:11] heh [01:11] Gunner_Sr_: I am looking for other people who are interested in ubuntu cluster computing [01:12] Actually, that's an invitation for everyone [01:12] mok0: I don't do much of it anymore. It is cheaper to build scale units in DCs now. [01:13] DCs? [01:13] Heya gang [01:13] mok0: i'd be intrested but i need to get 2.6 kernel running on xbox first [01:13] imbrandon: hehe [01:13] mok0: Data Center's [01:14] * ScottK ordered an OLPC in the 2 for 1 deal. Anyone know if Ubuntu will run on that? [01:14] Acronym overload [01:15] * StevenK hands G703, BGP and OSPF to mok0 [01:15] G703 ? [01:15] * imbrandon knows the others [01:15] Kernel panic... [01:16] imbrandon: Line protocol for fiber [01:16] ahh [01:16] ScottK: no idea, i know there is a spec about it though [01:16] https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/ubuntu-on-olpc [01:16] * StevenK dealt with G703 at $old_work [01:16] ScottK: mako or ogra would probably the ones to ask [01:16] mok0: One Laptop Per Child. [01:17] ScottK: What are the specs? [01:18] mok0: I'm not exactly sure. The deal here is that you can buy two for $400 and you get one and one goes to a needy child in a poor nation, so I figured I'd give it a shot for curiosity's sake. [01:18] I'm really curious about how a laptop designed for children will work. [01:18] ScottK: very good [01:20] mok0: worked with pbuilder at all? [01:20] ScottK: i got to play with one, they are really easy to use [01:20] Gunner_Sr_: Sure [01:20] not powrfull but easy [01:21] mok0: okay, working on bug #145074 [01:21] Launchpad bug 145074 in xgalaga "xgalaga-hyperspace crashed with SIGSEGV" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/145074 [01:21] imbrandon: Good to hear. [01:21] ScottK: have you tried the sugar interface ? [01:21] * ScottK doesn't know what that is. [01:21] * ScottK doesn't have the OLPC yet either. [01:21] suger is the UI for olpc [01:21] sugar* [01:21] Right. [01:22] You can try sugar in a VM, I heard. [01:22] mok0: I am VC++ developer, have done very little on Linux with deb, etc. use to use RPM and Unix [01:22] one sec, you acn run it in a xnest on ubuntu [01:22] minghua: its not a vm, its in a nested X instance === tonyy is now known as tonyyarusso [01:22] Gunner_Sr_: So can I help? [01:23] mok0: just built the chroot cleanroom and went to the directory. Can I work on the tar in that directory, or should I copy to a working folder and work on it form there? [01:24] Gunner_Sr_: You can unpack the base.tgz file, make changes, and re-tar it [01:24] ScottK / minghua : https://edge.launchpad.net/~jani/+archive , install sugar and sugar-activties from that and you can run it "in a window" on Gutsy [01:25] mok0: all I have is the orig.tar.gz and the diff.gz? [01:25] Gunner_Sr_: I usually copy orig.tar.gz, diff.gz and .dsc file to /tmp [01:25] you run the pbuilder on the .dsc file [01:26] mok0: perfect, that is what I was looking for.. [01:26] ie sudo pbuilder --build blabla.dsc [01:26] mok0: and you do that in /tmp right? [01:27] Yes, [01:27] mok0: cool thanks. [01:27] pbuilder doesn't work well from an NFS mounted directory, which is what I have [01:27] Gunner_Sr_, mok0: You can do that whereever you want, the source packages are copied over. [01:27] mok0: Agree, I was seem to have problems with NFS. [01:28] minghua: no it doesn't work well on an NFS mounted dir [01:28] minghua: it has to be a local disk in my experience [01:29] Hello [01:29] mok0: You mean I can't do "pbuild --build /home/minghua/foo_1-1.dsc" when my home is on NFS? === _jason is now known as jrib [01:29] minghua: yes [01:30] mok0: Or do you mean I can't do that when /var/cache/pbuilder is on NFS? [01:30] Hmm. [01:30] I got a couple of questions about contributing packages, may I ask here? [01:30] Certainly [01:30] minghua: I don't know about /var/cache [01:30] !ask > jonnymind [01:30] mok0: Pbuilder uses /var/cache/pbuilder/build/ as the chroot dir. [01:31] yes, but it needs to have root access to your NFS mounted dir, which is not normally permitted [01:31] jonnymind: don't ask to ask, just ask [01:31] I've been developing an open source project, namely ap programming language; It's being integrated in kde4, and I thought that I may present it to distros too. [01:32] is it just me, or does quilt try to make a hardlink to somewhere in /tmp/ every time a pull/push is done? [01:32] (it's a courtesy form. In my country, it's like saying "hi there"!) [01:32] jonnymind: just irc etiquette :-) [01:32] So, I signed for a motu account. [01:32] sorry, [01:32] I mean ... uhm... for a revu account. [01:33] jonnymind: good [01:33] Still need to get accustomed this acronym. [01:33] mok0: Okay. I don't have NFS here, so I wouldn't know. [01:33] I have been shipping some "hand made" debs for sometime now, and I have polished them with the help of ubuntu-it-dev ppl. [01:34] minghua: It threw me off when first playing with pbuilder [01:34] Mu question is: I see now in revu page that I have to upload the source tarball. [01:34] jonnymind: ok [01:35] this is fine to me; the problem is that I have a quite complex build environment (modeled after KDE's), [01:35] jonnymind: have you got your gpg public key in revu? [01:35] so the tar wouldn't just copille. [01:35] *compile [01:35] yes I have. [01:35] jonnymind: revu doesn't do compilation [01:35] Fine. [01:35] mok0: did pbuilder in /tmp and no source?? [01:35] jonnymind: what's your package called? [01:36] "Falcon" [01:36] or if you wish, falconpl for programming language. [01:36] Gunner_Sr_: explain, pls [01:37] ATM, I get the binaries, mangle (i.e. strip) them, copy them and pack them with a set of bash scripts. One of the outputs are debs files (so lib, bins and devs). [01:37] How is exactly a "source package" done? [01:37] mok0: sure, copied orig.tar.gz, diff.gz, and the .dsc to /tmp and pbuilder --build on the .dsc file [01:37] *some of the outputs are... [01:37] Gunner_Sr_: did it run to completion? [01:38] Gunner_Sr_: look in /var/cache/pbuilder/result [01:38] jonnymind: it's a long story. You have to check the documentation [01:39] mok0: okay, looking [01:39] I see. Just one question then, before I skim in the wrong direction: [01:39] jonnymind: Your way of building the .deb packages doesn't sound compatible to the way REVU requires. [01:39] jonnymind: You need to learn the proper way to build a package. [01:39] minghua: I am here to learn. [01:39] mok0: the files are in there, but I want to debug the source and any diffs? [01:39] How's done then? [01:39] jonnymind: look here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide [01:39] !packagingguide | jonnymind [01:39] jonnymind: packagingguide is The packaging guide is at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/NewPackages for information on getting a package integrated into Ubuntu - Other developer resources are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment - See also !backports [01:40] perfect. [01:40] Gunner_Sr_: You mean the diff.gz? [01:40] mok0: yes [01:40] lsdiff -z blabla.diff.gz [01:40] Of course... [01:41] I would also accept any help directly on the code. There isn't any inherent reason for me to be the pack debs in one way or another, or to be the one to pack them. [01:42] mok0: let me try this again. I have the source package, I want to open it up, execute and debug it, in anjuta and see what is going on. I have the stacktrace so I have a pretty good idea, just need to confirm and then fix it. [01:43] Gunner_Sr_: you need to run dpkg-source -X blabla.dsc [01:43] somerville32: Oh, that "add deb-source line for hardy" was with reference to to my amd64 box?, presumably? Ok. [01:43] Gunner_Sr_: That will unpack the tar and apply the patches [01:43] Gunner_Sr_: You don't "execute" a source package. There are only source code, not executables, in there. [01:44] minghua: correct, just compile/debug :-) [01:44] Another thing: I signed in the launchpad longtime ago, nearly by mistake. Is there any way to reset the password? [01:46] Are there any other FOSS forum platforms besides phpBB? [01:46] jonnymind: dunno you can ask them in #launchpad [01:46] thank you very much, [01:46] Er, there's a link for "Forgotten your password" when you go to sign in [01:47] Oh. I didn't notice as I was logged in with the cookie of my browser. Thanks. [01:48] mok0: so it is all right to do dpkg-source in the /var/cache/pbuilder/result directory or should I have done it in /tmp? [01:48] Gunner_Sr_: Where you have the "source package", in your case /tmp [01:49] The "source package" consists of 3 files, *.orig.tar.gz, *.diff.gz and *.dsc [01:49] Gunner_Sr_: Weird when you come from the RPM world.... [01:50] mok0: tell me about it. I want to make sure that I don't do any bad habits. :-) [01:50] hehe [01:51] Gunner_Sr_: /var/cache/pbuilder is just where the pbuilder does its stuff. You don't want to create files there [01:51] Gunner_Sr_: But you can pick up the finished .deb files there [01:52] mok0: got it, this is where I would package up to go back into the repository? [01:52] Gunner_Sr_: exactly [01:52] mok0: starting to make sense now. [01:52] Then we've accomplished something tonight :-) [01:53] (at least it's night here) [01:53] jonnymind: I don't see your "falcon" package on revu [01:53] mok0: wait till I fix it and need to get the changes back in..... [01:53] * Gunner_Sr_ lol [01:53] Gunner_Sr_: There you go [01:53] I didn't upload it: I must do the sourrce package following your rules. [01:54] jonnymind: yes, ok. It's a bit of work :-) [01:54] jonnymind: ... and then you'll have the MOTUs pounding on your package over and over and over again.... [01:54] I got an old package on my site (2 weeks old...), and tonight I cleaned it breaking up the .so.1 part from the rest, and cleaning the lintian report. [01:55] :-) That goes beyond mybest hopes :-) [01:55] jonnymind: You only need to split out the shared library if you're building a library package [01:55] However, I hope to get on it by tomorrow; [01:55] OK darnit lsmod shows my ipw2100 but I have no wireless device..?? :( [01:55] I am. [01:55] At least, in the distro for my site. [01:55] jonnymind: ok [01:56] The "engine" may be used without the interpreter. [01:56] I.e. by embedding applications. [01:56] jonnymind: cool [01:56] :-) [01:56] I have just a doubt on extension modules as i.e. regex, process and sockets... [01:56] But we'll see. [01:57] jonnymind: yes. Go ahead an build the package the way you think it should be done. You'll get feedback from the MOTUs, but they will at least have something to look at [01:58] jonnymind: but be warned, it may take a while, and be prepared to hang around here asking for advice [01:58] Thank you very much. I'll just read requirements to build source package and send what I have. [01:58] I have never been afraid of aksing advice :-) [01:58] I've learned long ago that arrogance never pays. [01:59] jonnymind: That's a valuable quality :-) [02:00] Btw, If you want to give a look at the stuff to get an idea, I kan spam here or in pv the link. [02:00] *can [02:06] jonnymind: it's a bit late for me to do any serious work. I need to go to bed in a few minutes [02:06] So you're in my time zone :-) [02:07] I am leaving too. [02:07] jonnymind: I'm in GMT+01 [02:07] Here GMT+2, I think, just shifted [02:07] jonnymind: if we meet here again I can take a look (but I am not a MOTU) [02:08] I will surely hang around here a lot. [02:08] mok0: thanks for your help. I want to be a regular in MOTU, so you should me around. [02:08] Anyhow, I need to make professional debs, even if they won't reach Ubuntu distro. [02:09] Gunner_Sr_, jonnymind : nice to meet you guys, see you soon then! [02:09] (i.e. if you don't accept them). [02:09] It has been a pleasure. [02:09] GoodNight. [02:09] G'night! [02:09] mok0, jonnymind: like wise. [02:10] I sign off too. Good night and see you soon. [02:10] jonnymind: seeya. [02:57] greetings === Fujitsu_ is now known as Fujitsu [03:13] Yay. Finally I've got a test rebuild of all libglib1.2 transition packages going. [03:19] TheMuso, :D [03:20] ... omg... i was just calling effie_jayx a freak but... [03:21] santiago-ve, show some respect for the motu!! [03:22] Ok, sorry effie_jayx, TheMuso ... im impusive sometimes [03:40] Has anybody managed to get gpg agent working? [03:40] Using the package in Gutsy, I can't seem to get it tow rok. [03:40] to work [03:40] GPG says there is a problem connecting. [03:42] which gpg agent are you using? [03:42] it requires a bit of mangling [03:42] TheMuso: Works for me. [03:42] Hobbsee: gnupg-agent [03:43] seahorse works fine here, but i guess to dont mean that one [03:43] Hobbsee: WHich one are you using? [03:43] oh hang on, gpg agent works by default [03:43] it's getting the gpg agent to do ssh that's harder [03:43] TheMuso: pinentry-gtk2 [03:43] seahorse is amazing [03:43] I'm not using ssh to do remote signing. [03:44] TheMuso: Does your ~/.gnupg/gpg.conf include 'use-agent'? [03:44] Yes [03:44] The agent loads on session start. [03:44] Hobbsee: got a howto on the ssh bit ? i'd love to use it for remote signing [03:44] * Hobbsee does not like seahorse [03:44] But gpg can't connect to it for some reason. [03:44] GPG_AGENT_INFO gets set [03:44] I like pinentry [03:45] TheMuso: And you've got a pinentry installed? [03:45] Instaling now. [03:45] 'i've never used anything but seahorse, guess i should try the others [03:45] TheMuso: What about .gnupg/gpg-agent.conf ? [03:46] StevenK: I don't have that file. [03:46] steven@liquified:~% cat .gnupg/gpg-agent.conf [03:46] pinentry-program /usr/bin/pinentry [03:46] ah ok. [03:46] TheMuso: That's how gpg knows to ask for a PIN via pinentry [03:46] Right. [03:47] i like gpa better than seahorse [03:47] TheMuso: You baulked at signing that many sources by hand? [03:47] imbrandon: there is, on google somewhere, but i can't seem to find it [03:47] StevenK: Well I do want an agent to help me, yes. [03:47] Hobbsee: cool i'll dig a little later [03:47] imbrandon: it's http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/378 and modifying 90gpg-agent [03:47] Pinentry is great [03:47] the original page was green, adn i can't find it now. [03:48] * Hobbsee can scp the 90gpg-agent file over to aurora, if you wish [03:48] i'm just happy to get my usb+crypt fs image+ssh keys happy :) [03:48] Hobbsee: how about people.uw.c , aurora is long since gone [03:48] :) [03:49] Time estimate: 0.25 man/month. [03:49] Can someone explain what that actually means? [03:49] ( actualy its not gone, its just behind a private fw now ) [03:50] StevenK: take 1 person ~7.5 days ? [03:50] imbrandon: http://people.ubuntuwire.com/~hobbsee/90gpg-agent [03:50] br [03:50] brb [03:50] Hobbsee: killer thanks [03:50] StevenK: Sounds like diet estimate instead of time estimate. :-) [03:50] imbrandon: How do you get that? [03:50] StevenK: man = 1 and 30 / 4 [03:51] * ScottK makes a note of bddebian getting actual help on #debian-devel and not messed with at all. Something must be wrong with the universe today. [03:51] imbrandon: 0.25 man/month literaly equals to 1 man per 4 months. [03:52] umm ok, was only a guess [03:52] :) [03:52] Um ok. [03:52] gpg doesn't want to use pinentry-gtk-2 [03:52] minghua: Which means how much time? [03:53] I have the gpg-agent.conf file like StevenK explained, as well as use-agent in gpg.conf. [03:53] you probably need the custom 90gpg-agent script [03:53] StevenK: I think maybe it's just a typo of (man * month) instead of (man / month). [03:53]