| asac | i would rank nsCSSFrameConstructor at least at #2 | 00:00 |
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| Ubulette | did you follow the memory fragmentation threads in ff3 ? | 00:15 |
| Ubulette | the last one is http://blog.pavlov.net/2007/12/04/vlad-and-analysis-of-dtrace-was-used/ | 00:17 |
| Ubulette | 1st was http://blog.pavlov.net/2007/11/10/memory-fragmentation/ | 00:18 |
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| [reed] | asac / Ubulette: ping | 06:35 |
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| asac | [reed]: ? | 07:39 |
| [reed] | asac: so, looks like we're going to have (for now) a build dependency on libgnomeui-dev but not a runtime dependency | 07:39 |
| [reed] | for Fx3 | 07:39 |
| asac | cool | 07:40 |
| asac | (or not so cool, depending on what is done now :)) | 07:40 |
| [reed] | so, I guess some rules file on your side will need to be updated with that | 07:40 |
| [reed] | well, until a patch landed today, it was both a build+runtime dependency ;p | 07:40 |
| [reed] | now just a build | 07:41 |
| asac | ok i see | 07:44 |
| asac | [reed]: do you have any screenshot how ffox 3 beta looks like on win? | 07:48 |
| asac | or is it still the same theme as before on windows? | 07:48 |
| [reed] | asac: same as before | 07:49 |
| [reed] | for now | 07:49 |
| [reed] | the new theme hasn't landed | 07:49 |
| [reed] | it's still in-progress | 07:49 |
| [reed] | win is way behind Linux and Mac this time | 07:49 |
| asac | but its the same direction? e.g. use stock icons? | 07:50 |
| [reed] | no | 07:50 |
| [reed] | only Linux is using stock icons | 07:50 |
| [reed] | both mac and win aren't | 07:50 |
| asac | ok, so the windows theme can probably used under linux as well? | 07:50 |
| [reed] | yes | 07:51 |
| asac | ok thats important | 07:51 |
| [reed] | why? :) | 07:51 |
| [reed] | who wants to use winstripe? | 07:51 |
| asac | one main argument to use firefox in distros is to provide a bridge for window users | 07:51 |
| [reed] | when you could use gnomestripe! | 07:51 |
| asac | so they feel like "home" when browsing | 07:51 |
| [reed] | ew | 07:51 |
| [reed] | but the new winstripe is going to be radically different, as far as using icons that will look completely out of place on Linux | 07:52 |
| [reed] | they will be very much XP/Vista based | 07:52 |
| asac | hmm | 07:52 |
| [reed] | and icons will be different between XP and Vista | 07:52 |
| asac | and new mac theme will be completely different as well? | 07:52 |
| [reed] | yes, it will look like a normal OS X app | 07:53 |
| asac | ok, lets hope that users that switch from win to linux to mac can still recognize each app as firefox | 07:53 |
| asac | (which is the main point of having the same theme everywhere i guess) | 07:53 |
| [reed] | yeah, did you read faaborg's blog post on that? | 07:54 |
| asac | nope :) ... its just my concern about all this :) | 07:54 |
| [reed] | let me get the link | 07:54 |
| asac | you have an url? | 07:54 |
| [reed] | yeah | 07:54 |
| [reed] | that's what I meant by "the link" | 07:54 |
| [reed] | :) | 07:54 |
| [reed] | one sec | 07:55 |
| [reed] | http://blog.mozilla.com/faaborg/2007/11/15/the-shape-of-things-to-come/ | 07:55 |
| [reed] | read the "Platform Integration vs. Cross Platform Identity" part | 07:56 |
| asac | thanks | 07:56 |
| [reed] | and have a laugh at faaborg's expense on the phallic symbol he attempts to use as a demonstration | 07:57 |
| [reed] | s/on the/at the/ | 07:57 |
| asac | lets see how this "shape for X-platform identity" will work out. | 08:08 |
| Ubulette | hey guys | 08:28 |
| Ubulette | doesn't xulrunner 1.8.1.* deserve a security update like ff2 ? | 08:28 |
| asac | it does ... but its in universe :) | 08:31 |
| Ubulette | !info xulrunner debian | 08:31 |
| ubotu | xulrunner: XUL + XPCOM application runner. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.8.1.4-2ubuntu5 (gutsy), package size 273 kB, installed size 980 kB | 08:31 |
| asac | didn't we update xulrunner for 2.0.0.10 | 08:31 |
| asac | ? | 08:31 |
| Ubulette | I did 1.8.1.9 2 or 3 weeks ago | 08:32 |
| Ubulette | a merge from debian | 08:32 |
| Ubulette | !info xulrunner unstable | 08:32 |
| ubotu | xulrunner: XUL + XPCOM application runner. In component main, is optional. Version 1.8.1.9-1 (unstable), package size 270 kB, installed size 964 kB | 08:32 |
| asac | right ... there is a new merge waiting :) | 08:33 |
| asac | http://merges.ubuntu.com/universe.html | 08:33 |
| Ubulette | !info xulrunner experimental | 08:33 |
| ubotu | xulrunner: XUL + XPCOM application runner. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.8.1.4-2ubuntu5 (gutsy), package size 273 kB, installed size 980 kB | 08:33 |
| asac | 1.8.1.11-1 | 08:33 |
| Ubulette | I think i'll do it then | 08:33 |
| Ubulette | unless someone beat me to it | 08:33 |
| asac | but still thats not a security update for gutsy | 08:33 |
| Ubulette | !info xulrunner gutsy | 08:34 |
| ubotu | xulrunner: XUL + XPCOM application runner. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.8.1.4-2ubuntu5 (gutsy), package size 273 kB, installed size 980 kB | 08:34 |
| Ubulette | why ? | 08:34 |
| asac | yeah ... upgrading from 1.8.1.4 to 1.8.1.11 is a huge bump | 08:34 |
| asac | well ... xulrunner isn't used as gecko provider in gutsy | 08:35 |
| asac | so i apparently just merged it once during gutsy cycle | 08:35 |
| Ubulette | ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/xulrunner/releases/ lol | 08:38 |
| asac | yeah ... they don't provide updates ;) | 08:39 |
| Ubulette | ok, i'm leaving for work | 08:45 |
| Ubulette | asac, if you have the chance, could you please see with persia for prism ? he'll be gone when I'll return | 08:45 |
| asac | Ubulette: will do | 09:01 |
| asac | Ubulette: ok i advocated prism | 10:25 |
| asac | maybe ask for upload in -motu if nothing happens | 10:25 |
| armin76 | bumb | 10:40 |
| asac | ? | 10:42 |
| asac | [reed]: any idea what is planned for self-signed certs? | 10:51 |
| asac | will it stay the way its currently handled? | 10:51 |
| [reed] | I don't see why not. It seems fine to me | 10:51 |
| [reed] | you can easily accept them | 10:51 |
| asac | (e.g. just get an error page that tells you to add the domain to exceptions) | 10:51 |
| asac | how? | 10:51 |
| asac | there is no user-guidance to do that (last time i looked) | 10:52 |
| [reed] | look again | 10:52 |
| [reed] | :) | 10:52 |
| asac | in b2? | 10:52 |
| [reed] | in a current nightly, yes | 10:52 |
| [reed] | but most of this was in b1 | 10:52 |
| [reed] | some new stuff has been added | 10:52 |
| [reed] | we haven't really had complaints about it at all since the exception stuff was added | 10:53 |
| asac | oh ... latest-nightly doesn't have any icons at all for me here :) | 11:00 |
| asac | (any of those that are stock ones now) | 11:00 |
| asac | [reed]: ok the exception thing is now fine | 11:01 |
| asac | thanks | 11:01 |
| [reed] | hmm | 11:01 |
| [reed] | oh, latest-nightly | 11:01 |
| [reed] | check back tomorrow :) | 11:01 |
| [reed] | you must not have libgnomeui installed | 11:02 |
| [reed] | by tomorrow, I mean in two hours or so | 11:02 |
| [reed] | when nightlies run ;) | 11:02 |
| asac | i am running gnome | 11:03 |
| asac | so i have libgnomeui | 11:03 |
| [reed] | are you sure? | 11:03 |
| [reed] | are you 64-bit? | 11:03 |
| asac | yes | 11:03 |
| asac | right :) | 11:03 |
| asac | i remember now | 11:03 |
| [reed] | ubotu: 162993 | 11:04 |
| ubotu | Sorry, I don't know anything about 162993 - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi | 11:04 |
| [reed] | lp ubotu: 162993 | 11:04 |
| [reed] | er | 11:04 |
| asac | [reed]: btw, the exception dialog rocks imo ... but i am not a usability expert | 11:04 |
| [reed] | lp 162993 | 11:04 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 162993 in firefox "ia32-libs missing 32-bit gnome libraries needed for gtk stock icons" [Unknown,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/162993 | 11:04 |
| [reed] | but the fix made today should help you, too | 11:04 |
| asac | [reed]: so which icons should be used if there is no libgnomeui? | 11:04 |
| [reed] | check out an hourly | 11:05 |
| [reed] | ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/tinderbox-builds/fx-linux-tbox-trunk/firefox-3.0b2pre.en-US.linux-i686.tar.bz2 | 11:05 |
| [reed] | check that out | 11:05 |
| [reed] | see if you have icons | 11:05 |
| asac | [reed]: ok one more thing ... will the great new addons manager happen for firefox 3.0? | 11:06 |
| [reed] | define "great new addons manager" | 11:06 |
| asac | do you know what i refer to? | 11:06 |
| [reed] | not really | 11:06 |
| asac | let me see if i can find it | 11:06 |
| [reed] | there's work to be done on it, such as integration with AMO | 11:06 |
| [reed] | but most stuff has already been done besides that | 11:06 |
| asac | [reed]: "great new..." == http://wiki.mozilla.org/Firefox:Add-ons_Manager_UI | 11:08 |
| [reed] | yeah, that's the AMO integration | 11:09 |
| [reed] | that's coming | 11:09 |
| [reed] | it's blocked on AMO actually getting a working API | 11:09 |
| [reed] | which is about 99% done | 11:09 |
| asac | [reed]: ok, point is i talked with mconnor about getting an apt backend into source base | 11:09 |
| [reed] | like what ubufox has? | 11:09 |
| asac | problem was that nothing had happened at that time so we agreed to revisit when things are there | 11:09 |
| * [reed] actually has never used ubufox | 11:10 | |
| asac | yes, but for real ... like a multi-backend so you can add other search databases | 11:10 |
| asac | and install methods | 11:10 |
| asac | so the backend is already there? | 11:10 |
| [reed] | I've never used any distro-made Mozilla product | 11:10 |
| [reed] | hehe | 11:10 |
| [reed] | either Mozilla official or build my own :) | 11:10 |
| [reed] | anyway | 11:10 |
| [reed] | what backend? | 11:10 |
| [reed] | apt? | 11:10 |
| asac | you should ... ubuntu rocks for mozillas :) | 11:10 |
| [reed] | nah, you are too far behind :) | 11:10 |
| asac | no ... the backend for AMO | 11:10 |
| [reed] | ah | 11:11 |
| [reed] | not in the browser, no | 11:11 |
| [reed] | I don't think so, at least | 11:11 |
| * [reed] looks | 11:11 | |
| asac | well, we provide 3.0 builds for you ... but I guess you want nightlies :) | 11:11 |
| [reed] | considering I commit fixes myself, I want to be able to use those fixes asap | 11:12 |
| [reed] | :p | 11:12 |
| [reed] | are there any changes that you've made for ubuntu that are general enough to go upstream? | 11:12 |
| [reed] | for Firefox | 11:12 |
| [reed] | I really want to make sure you are upstreaming stuff | 11:12 |
| [reed] | mozilla bug 404024 | 11:14 |
| ubotu | Mozilla bug 404024 in Extension/Theme Manager "Add AMO integration pane" [Normal,New] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=404024 | 11:14 |
| [reed] | so, doesn't look like work has started | 11:14 |
| asac | [reed]: thats the idea ... i want to do it general enough, but for that I wanted code that is at least close to final | 11:14 |
| * asac looking at bugs | 11:16 | |
| [reed] | anyway | 11:16 |
| [reed] | I have an exam in less than 4 hours | 11:16 |
| [reed] | and I haven't studied | 11:16 |
| [reed] | so | 11:16 |
| [reed] | later :) | 11:16 |
| asac | [reed]: ok thanks for the info so far ... cu later :) | 11:16 |
| asac | good luck | 11:16 |
| asac | better start to switch context now I guess | 11:16 |
| [reed] | bad armin76 for making me look at Firefox stuff | 12:22 |
| [reed] | armin76: bsmedberg already gave you sr+ | 12:22 |
| [reed] | so, you can just set sr+ yourself as a carryover | 12:22 |
| [reed] | I'm gone again | 12:23 |
| armin76 | err | 12:23 |
| armin76 | he said i should sr him with that change? | 12:23 |
| [reed] | no, he said you can have sr=bsmedberg if you make that change | 12:26 |
| [reed] | you made it, he already granted it with the understanding that you would make it | 12:26 |
| [reed] | so, you can carry it over | 12:26 |
| [reed] | so, you just need review from timeless | 12:26 |
| [reed] | as you already have superreview from bsmedberg | 12:26 |
| armin76 | ah | 12:29 |
| armin76 | sorry, i'm not used to this stuff | 12:29 |
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| BUGabund1 | hya | 18:28 |
| BUGabund1 | any FF devs here? | 18:28 |
| BUGabund1 | just got a strange error on an hardy test machine | 18:28 |
| Ubulette | back | 18:42 |
| Ubulette | BUGabund1, just ask your question, instead of waiting for an ack ;) | 18:43 |
| Ubulette | asac, http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/s/seamonkey/ ?? i don't get it. where are the debs ? | 20:12 |
| asac | no idea :) | 20:24 |
| asac | in queue nEW ? | 20:24 |
| asac | maybe there is an archive issue? | 20:25 |
| Ubulette | no, they are DONE | 20:31 |
| Ubulette | asac, i've merged xul. building.. if it's ok, i'll post a debdiff or an interdiff | 20:43 |
| asac | good | 21:10 |
| Ubulette | done | 21:48 |
| Ubulette | asac, bug 174219 | 21:50 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 174219 in xulrunner "Please merge xulrunner 1.8.1.11-1 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174219 | 21:50 |
| Ubulette | i wanted to merge ruby-gnome2 (so it unlocks kaze on some arches) but it's a sync, not a merge | 22:08 |
| asac | Ubulette: he? | 22:31 |
| Ubulette | ? | 22:31 |
| asac | Ubulette: you have to request a sync then | 22:31 |
| Ubulette | bug 174243 | 22:31 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 174243 in ruby-gnome2 "Please sync ruby-gnome2 0.16.0-10 (universe) from Debian Sid (main)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174243 | 22:31 |
| asac | ok | 22:32 |
| asac | have you followed procedures in wiki? | 22:32 |
| Ubulette | i think so | 22:32 |
| asac | ok | 22:32 |
| Ubulette | but that's not fun | 22:32 |
| asac | hmm .. shouldn't you subscribe some other role as well? | 22:33 |
| asac | ah you need someone to confirm first, right? | 22:33 |
| asac | then subscribe ubuntu-archive ? | 22:33 |
| Ubulette | no, for the sync, i'm done. motu will subscribe ubuntu-archive | 22:34 |
| asac | k | 22:34 |
| asac | does the previous merger know about that? | 22:35 |
| Ubulette | that's bluekuja, he told me a while ago "fell free to do it" | 22:35 |
| asac | hell ... when did i get the merge for igerman98 | 22:37 |
| Ubulette | ? | 22:37 |
| asac | i am listed as last merger of that package on main.html | 22:39 |
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