[00:00] <asac> i would rank nsCSSFrameConstructor at least at #2
[00:15] <Ubulette> did you follow the memory fragmentation threads in ff3 ?
[00:17] <Ubulette> the last one is http://blog.pavlov.net/2007/12/04/vlad-and-analysis-of-dtrace-was-used/
[00:18] <Ubulette> 1st was http://blog.pavlov.net/2007/11/10/memory-fragmentation/
[06:35] <[reed]> asac / Ubulette: ping
[07:39] <asac> [reed]: ?
[07:39] <[reed]> asac: so, looks like we're going to have (for now) a build dependency on libgnomeui-dev but not a runtime dependency
[07:39] <[reed]> for Fx3
[07:40] <asac> cool
[07:40] <asac> (or not so cool, depending on what is done now :))
[07:40] <[reed]> so, I guess some rules file on your side will need to be updated with that
[07:40] <[reed]> well, until a patch landed today, it was both a build+runtime dependency ;p
[07:41] <[reed]> now just a build
[07:44] <asac> ok i see
[07:48] <asac> [reed]: do you have any screenshot how ffox 3 beta looks like on win?
[07:48] <asac> or is it still the same theme as before on windows?
[07:49] <[reed]> asac: same as before
[07:49] <[reed]> for now
[07:49] <[reed]> the new theme hasn't landed
[07:49] <[reed]> it's still in-progress
[07:49] <[reed]> win is way behind Linux and Mac this time
[07:50] <asac> but its the same direction? e.g. use stock icons?
[07:50] <[reed]> no
[07:50] <[reed]> only Linux is using stock icons
[07:50] <[reed]> both mac and win aren't
[07:50] <asac> ok, so the windows theme can probably used under linux as well?
[07:51] <[reed]> yes
[07:51] <asac> ok thats important
[07:51] <[reed]> why? :)
[07:51] <[reed]> who wants to use winstripe?
[07:51] <asac> one main argument to use firefox in distros is to provide a bridge for window users
[07:51] <[reed]> when you could use gnomestripe!
[07:51] <asac> so they feel like "home" when browsing
[07:51] <[reed]> ew
[07:52] <[reed]> but the new winstripe is going to be radically different, as far as using icons that will look completely out of place on Linux
[07:52] <[reed]> they will be very much XP/Vista based
[07:52] <asac> hmm
[07:52] <[reed]> and icons will be different between XP and Vista
[07:52] <asac> and new mac theme will be completely different as well?
[07:53] <[reed]> yes, it will look like a normal OS X app
[07:53] <asac> ok, lets hope that users that switch from win to linux to mac can still recognize each app as firefox
[07:53] <asac> (which is the main point of having the same theme everywhere i guess)
[07:54] <[reed]> yeah, did you read faaborg's blog post on that?
[07:54] <asac> nope :) ... its just my concern about all this :)
[07:54] <[reed]> let me get the link
[07:54] <asac> you have an url?
[07:54] <[reed]> yeah
[07:54] <[reed]> that's what I meant by "the link"
[07:54] <[reed]> :)
[07:55] <[reed]> one sec
[07:55] <[reed]> http://blog.mozilla.com/faaborg/2007/11/15/the-shape-of-things-to-come/
[07:56] <[reed]> read the "Platform Integration vs. Cross Platform Identity" part
[07:56] <asac> thanks
[07:57] <[reed]> and have a laugh at faaborg's expense on the phallic symbol he attempts to use as a demonstration
[07:57] <[reed]> s/on the/at the/
[08:08] <asac> lets see how this "shape for X-platform identity" will work out.
[08:28] <Ubulette> hey guys
[08:28] <Ubulette> doesn't xulrunner 1.8.1.* deserve a security update like ff2 ?
[08:31] <asac> it does ... but its in universe :)
[08:31] <Ubulette> !info xulrunner debian
[08:31] <ubotu> xulrunner: XUL + XPCOM application runner. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.8.1.4-2ubuntu5 (gutsy), package size 273 kB, installed size 980 kB
[08:31] <asac> didn't we update xulrunner for 2.0.0.10
[08:31] <asac> ?
[08:32] <Ubulette> I did 1.8.1.9 2 or 3 weeks ago
[08:32] <Ubulette> a merge from debian
[08:32] <Ubulette> !info xulrunner unstable
[08:32] <ubotu> xulrunner: XUL + XPCOM application runner. In component main, is optional. Version 1.8.1.9-1 (unstable), package size 270 kB, installed size 964 kB
[08:33] <asac> right ... there is a new merge waiting :)
[08:33] <asac> http://merges.ubuntu.com/universe.html
[08:33] <Ubulette> !info xulrunner experimental
[08:33] <ubotu> xulrunner: XUL + XPCOM application runner. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.8.1.4-2ubuntu5 (gutsy), package size 273 kB, installed size 980 kB
[08:33] <asac> 1.8.1.11-1
[08:33] <Ubulette> I think i'll do it then
[08:33] <Ubulette> unless someone beat me to it
[08:33] <asac> but still thats not a security update for gutsy
[08:34] <Ubulette> !info xulrunner gutsy
[08:34] <ubotu> xulrunner: XUL + XPCOM application runner. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.8.1.4-2ubuntu5 (gutsy), package size 273 kB, installed size 980 kB
[08:34] <Ubulette> why ?
[08:34] <asac> yeah ... upgrading from 1.8.1.4 to 1.8.1.11 is a huge bump
[08:35] <asac> well ... xulrunner isn't used as gecko provider in gutsy
[08:35] <asac> so i apparently just merged it once during gutsy cycle
[08:38] <Ubulette> ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/xulrunner/releases/  lol
[08:39] <asac> yeah ... they don't provide updates ;)
[08:45] <Ubulette> ok, i'm leaving for work
[08:45] <Ubulette> asac, if you have the chance, could you please see with persia for prism ? he'll be gone when I'll return
[09:01] <asac> Ubulette: will do
[10:25] <asac> Ubulette: ok i advocated prism
[10:25] <asac> maybe ask for upload in -motu if nothing happens
[10:40] <armin76> bumb
[10:42] <asac> ?
[10:51] <asac> [reed]: any idea what is planned for self-signed certs?
[10:51] <asac> will it stay the way its currently handled?
[10:51] <[reed]> I don't see why not. It seems fine to me
[10:51] <[reed]> you can easily accept them
[10:51] <asac> (e.g. just get an error page that tells you to add the domain to exceptions)
[10:51] <asac> how?
[10:52] <asac> there is no user-guidance to do that (last time i looked)
[10:52] <[reed]> look again
[10:52] <[reed]> :)
[10:52] <asac> in b2?
[10:52] <[reed]> in a current nightly, yes
[10:52] <[reed]> but most of this was in b1
[10:52] <[reed]> some new stuff has been added
[10:53] <[reed]> we haven't really had complaints about it at all since the exception stuff was added
[11:00] <asac> oh ... latest-nightly doesn't have any icons at all for me here :)
[11:00] <asac> (any of those that are stock ones now)
[11:01] <asac> [reed]: ok the exception thing is now fine
[11:01] <asac> thanks
[11:01] <[reed]> hmm
[11:01] <[reed]> oh, latest-nightly
[11:01] <[reed]> check back tomorrow :)
[11:02] <[reed]> you must not have libgnomeui installed
[11:02] <[reed]> by tomorrow, I mean in two hours or so
[11:02] <[reed]> when nightlies run ;)
[11:03] <asac> i am running gnome
[11:03] <asac> so i have libgnomeui
[11:03] <[reed]> are you sure?
[11:03] <[reed]> are you 64-bit?
[11:03] <asac> yes
[11:03] <asac> right :)
[11:03] <asac> i remember now
[11:04] <[reed]> ubotu: 162993
[11:04] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about 162993 - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[11:04] <[reed]> lp ubotu: 162993
[11:04] <[reed]> er
[11:04] <asac> [reed]: btw, the exception dialog rocks imo ... but i am not a usability expert
[11:04] <[reed]> lp 162993
[11:04] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 162993 in firefox "ia32-libs missing 32-bit gnome libraries needed for gtk stock icons" [Unknown,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/162993
[11:04] <[reed]> but the fix made today should help you, too
[11:04] <asac> [reed]: so which icons should be used if there is no libgnomeui?
[11:05] <[reed]> check out an hourly
[11:05] <[reed]> ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/tinderbox-builds/fx-linux-tbox-trunk/firefox-3.0b2pre.en-US.linux-i686.tar.bz2
[11:05] <[reed]> check that out
[11:05] <[reed]> see if you have icons
[11:06] <asac> [reed]: ok one more thing ... will the great new addons manager happen for firefox 3.0?
[11:06] <[reed]> define "great new addons manager"
[11:06] <asac> do you know what i refer to?
[11:06] <[reed]> not really
[11:06] <asac> let me see if i can find it
[11:06] <[reed]> there's work to be done on it, such as integration with AMO
[11:06] <[reed]> but most stuff has already been done besides that
[11:08] <asac> [reed]: "great new..." == http://wiki.mozilla.org/Firefox:Add-ons_Manager_UI
[11:09] <[reed]> yeah, that's the AMO integration
[11:09] <[reed]> that's coming
[11:09] <[reed]> it's blocked on AMO actually getting a working API
[11:09] <[reed]> which is about 99% done
[11:09] <asac> [reed]: ok, point is i talked with mconnor about getting an apt backend into source base
[11:09] <[reed]> like what ubufox has?
[11:09] <asac> problem was that nothing had happened at that time so we agreed to revisit when things are there
[11:10]  * [reed] actually has never used ubufox
[11:10] <asac> yes, but for real ... like a multi-backend so you can add other search databases
[11:10] <asac> and install methods
[11:10] <asac> so the backend is already there?
[11:10] <[reed]> I've never used any distro-made Mozilla product
[11:10] <[reed]> hehe
[11:10] <[reed]> either Mozilla official or build my own :)
[11:10] <[reed]> anyway
[11:10] <[reed]> what backend?
[11:10] <[reed]> apt?
[11:10] <asac> you should ... ubuntu rocks for mozillas :)
[11:10] <[reed]> nah, you are too far behind :)
[11:10] <asac> no ... the backend for AMO
[11:11] <[reed]> ah
[11:11] <[reed]> not in the browser, no
[11:11] <[reed]> I don't think so, at least
[11:11]  * [reed] looks
[11:11] <asac> well, we provide 3.0 builds for you ... but I guess you want nightlies :)
[11:12] <[reed]> considering I commit fixes myself, I want to be able to use those fixes asap
[11:12] <[reed]> :p
[11:12] <[reed]> are there any changes that you've made for ubuntu that are general enough to go upstream?
[11:12] <[reed]> for Firefox
[11:12] <[reed]> I really want to make sure you are upstreaming stuff
[11:14] <[reed]> mozilla bug 404024
[11:14] <ubotu> Mozilla bug 404024 in Extension/Theme Manager "Add AMO integration pane" [Normal,New] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=404024
[11:14] <[reed]> so, doesn't look like work has started
[11:14] <asac> [reed]: thats the idea ... i want to do it general enough, but for that I wanted code that is at least close to final
[11:16]  * asac looking at bugs
[11:16] <[reed]> anyway
[11:16] <[reed]> I have an exam in less than 4 hours
[11:16] <[reed]> and I haven't studied
[11:16] <[reed]> so
[11:16] <[reed]> later :)
[11:16] <asac> [reed]: ok thanks for the info so far ... cu later :)
[11:16] <asac> good luck
[11:16] <asac> better start to switch context now I guess
[12:22] <[reed]> bad armin76 for making me look at Firefox stuff
[12:22] <[reed]> armin76: bsmedberg already gave you sr+
[12:22] <[reed]> so, you can just set sr+ yourself as a carryover
[12:23] <[reed]> I'm gone again
[12:23] <armin76> err
[12:23] <armin76> he said i should sr him with that change?
[12:26] <[reed]> no, he said you can have sr=bsmedberg if you make that change
[12:26] <[reed]> you made it, he already granted it with the understanding that you would make it
[12:26] <[reed]> so, you can carry it over
[12:26] <[reed]> so, you just need review from timeless
[12:26] <[reed]> as you already have superreview from bsmedberg
[12:29] <armin76> ah
[12:29] <armin76> sorry, i'm not used to this stuff
[18:28] <BUGabund1> hya
[18:28] <BUGabund1> any FF devs here?
[18:28] <BUGabund1> just got a strange error on an hardy test machine
[18:42] <Ubulette> back
[18:43] <Ubulette> BUGabund1, just ask your question, instead of waiting for an ack ;)
[20:12] <Ubulette> asac, http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/s/seamonkey/  ?? i don't get it. where are the debs ?
[20:24] <asac> no idea :)
[20:24] <asac> in queue nEW ?
[20:25] <asac> maybe there is an archive issue?
[20:31] <Ubulette> no, they are DONE
[20:43] <Ubulette> asac, i've merged xul. building.. if it's ok, i'll post a debdiff or an interdiff
[21:10] <asac> good
[21:48] <Ubulette> done
[21:50] <Ubulette> asac, bug 174219
[21:50] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 174219 in xulrunner "Please merge xulrunner 1.8.1.11-1 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174219
[22:08] <Ubulette> i wanted to merge ruby-gnome2 (so it unlocks kaze on some arches) but it's a sync, not a merge
[22:31] <asac> Ubulette: he?
[22:31] <Ubulette> ?
[22:31] <asac> Ubulette: you have to request a sync then
[22:31] <Ubulette> bug 174243
[22:31] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 174243 in ruby-gnome2 "Please sync ruby-gnome2 0.16.0-10 (universe) from Debian Sid (main)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174243
[22:32] <asac> ok
[22:32] <asac> have you followed procedures in wiki?
[22:32] <Ubulette> i think so
[22:32] <asac> ok
[22:32] <Ubulette> but that's not fun
[22:33] <asac> hmm .. shouldn't you subscribe some other role as well?
[22:33] <asac> ah you need someone to confirm first, right?
[22:33] <asac> then subscribe ubuntu-archive ?
[22:34] <Ubulette> no, for the sync, i'm done. motu will subscribe ubuntu-archive
[22:34] <asac> k
[22:35] <asac> does the previous merger know about that?
[22:35] <Ubulette> that's bluekuja, he told me a while ago "fell free to do it"
[22:37] <asac> hell ... when did i get the merge for igerman98
[22:37] <Ubulette> ?
[22:39] <asac> i am listed as last merger of that package on main.html