[03:42] <bluec99> anyone have luck with mythtv and WinTV-PVR USB2 Remote ?
[03:42] <bluec99> found http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=3676720 but unfort no /dev/lirc1 device:
[03:43] <bluec99> ls -ld /dev/l*
[03:43] <bluec99> crw-rw---- 1 root root 61, 0 2007-12-01 00:23 /dev/lirc0
[03:43] <bluec99> srw-rw-rw- 1 root root     0 2007-12-01 00:23 /dev/lircd
[03:43] <bluec99> srw-rw-rw- 1 root root     0 2007-12-01 00:22 /dev/log
[03:43] <bluec99> brw------- 1 root root  7, 0 2007-10-21 03:58 /dev/loop0
[03:43] <bluec99> crw-rw---- 1 root lp    6, 0 2007-12-01 00:22 /dev/lp0
[03:43] <bluec99> i guess starting from first step, how can I find what created lirc0 so I can blacklist it?
[03:46] <bluec99> hmm, this leads me to believe lirc0 is already the correct device: dmesg | grep lirc
[03:46] <bluec99> [   70.844000] lirc_dev: IR Remote Control driver registered, at major 61
[03:46] <bluec99> [   72.036000] lirc_i2c: chip 0x10005 found @ 0x18 (Hauppauge IR)
[03:46] <bluec99> [   72.036000] lirc_dev: lirc_register_plugin: sample_rate: 10
[15:42] <MythbuntuGuest87> Hi, I am wondering if anyone has experience with recording HD Content.   I am building a new PVR to record HD and SD content.  I want to put a PVR500 and use HDHomeRun.  Will this work?  Also, I heard Intel Core2's are better to use then AMDs.  Is this true?   Also, does the video card matter as long as it supports the resolution of the LCD?
[15:44] <tgm4883> MythbuntuGuest87, the C2D's do seem to be better than the AMD's, a PVR500 and HDHomerun should work fine together, and for the video card, I'd recommend an nvidia card
[15:46] <MythbuntuGuest87> tgm4883 thanks for all your answers.  1 last question.  I know HDHomeRun can record any unencrypted channels, so basically just the free local HD Channels.  Can it also record ones if I order an HD package with my cable provider?
[15:46] <tgm4883> It will not record any encrypted channels
[15:47] <rhpot1991> there was a thread going in the mythtv users about HD options the other day, let me see if I can find a link
[15:47] <MythbuntuGuest87> Is there any way to be able to record HD channels, if I order the HD package from the provider?
[15:48] <rhpot1991> http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/303425
[15:48] <tgm4883> MythbuntuGuest87, depends, if you live in the US you may be able to get them via firewire, but even then, you can only record the channels that don't have copy protection
[15:48] <rhpot1991> MythbuntuGuest87: pretty much the only reliable way is to get a box from your cable company and IR blast commands to it
[15:48] <tgm4883> rhpot1991, you can't get HD that way
[15:51] <rhpot1991> true, but its pretty much the only option as far as encrypted channels
[15:51] <tgm4883> firewire
[15:51] <rhpot1991> tgm4883: do you have a hdhomerun?
[15:51] <rhpot1991> ya but if they are encrypted firewire wont work, right?
[15:51] <tgm4883> i wish, i bought my card before they had the hdhomerun
[15:51] <tgm4883> wrong
[15:52] <rhpot1991> also I have seen a lot of people saying firewire doesn't work on boxes too
[15:52] <MythbuntuGuest87> oh wow
[15:52] <MythbuntuGuest87> thanks for all the great info guys
[15:52] <tgm4883> the box decrypts it, but the cable company can set a copy protection flag
[15:52] <tgm4883> and for boxes in the us, they have to give you a working firewire port
[15:53] <rhpot1991> well by law yes, but since when have cable companies obeyed the law?
[15:53]  * rhpot1991 points at comcast and its meddling with torrents
[15:53] <MythbuntuGuest87> Basically, go ask the provider if they serve encrypted HD Channels over firewire
[15:53] <MythbuntuGuest87> ?
[15:53] <tgm4883> mine does
[15:54] <tgm4883> MythbuntuGuest87, http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/FireWire#FCC_regulations
[15:54] <MythbuntuGuest87> ok sweet
[15:54] <rhpot1991> MythbuntuGuest87: you can, but good luck dealing with CSA's who don't know anything that isn't on their screen, may have to escalate the call a few times
[15:56] <MythbuntuGuest87> yea, I don't even have TV right now
[15:56] <MythbuntuGuest87> i am about to go to the comcast people and have them activate my cable
[15:56] <MythbuntuGuest87> i have been without cable for like 3 months
[15:56] <rhpot1991> let me know how the hdhomerun works with comcast
[15:56] <rhpot1991> if you get one
[15:57] <rhpot1991> I have comcast but only have SD now, been looking at a hdhomerun for picking up the digital channels
[15:57] <MythbuntuGuest87> well, if they allow good programs to be recorded over firewire, i may just go that route
[15:58] <MythbuntuGuest87> i read the link tgm4883 sent, saying that upon request they have to give you a box with a working firewire port
[15:58] <MythbuntuGuest87> but it doesn't tell you if they have to give you the all the channels too
[15:58] <rhpot1991> by law they have to, but they only have to allow access to the over the air channels IIRC
[15:59] <MythbuntuGuest87> i see
[15:59] <MythbuntuGuest87> which you can get with just HDHomerun...
[15:59] <MythbuntuGuest87> w/o a cable box
[15:59] <tgm4883> yes
[16:02] <MythbuntuGuest87> thanks for the help guys.  I think am just going to go with a PVR500 for now, and just build the system to be able to support HDRecording in the future.  Then just get the shows I want to watch in HD and just play it off the hard drive
[16:02] <MythbuntuGuest87> in mythvideo or something
[16:02] <rhpot1991> you could test out firewire before you get the hdhomerun
[16:03] <MythbuntuGuest87> true
[16:03] <rhpot1991> I would request a firewire capable box off the bat though
[16:03] <tgm4883> yep
[16:03] <rhpot1991> comcast is bad at getting back to you with things
[16:03] <tgm4883> well you might not have to request it
[16:03] <MythbuntuGuest87> but then don't i have to request an HD box? or can i get the channels off a digital cable box?
[16:03] <rhpot1991> I've been waiting for a technician to return for almost 2 months now, with random static in my low channels
[16:03] <rhpot1991> they have looked at it 5 times already now with no results
[16:04] <tgm4883> it depends on your plan
[16:04] <MythbuntuGuest87> shit, that sucks
[16:04] <MythbuntuGuest87> I am going to get just the cheapest digital cable plan
[16:04] <tgm4883> digital classic is an HD box I believe
[16:04] <rhpot1991> I think by law they are only required to give you firewire with HD
[16:04] <tgm4883> MythbuntuGuest87, what HD channels do you want?
[16:04] <rhpot1991> so non HD digital boxes are not required to have them
[16:04] <rhpot1991> or thats my understanding at least
[16:04] <tgm4883> mine too
[16:05] <rhpot1991> also the digital boxes they use here suck, I kept getting ones that overheated and wouldn't work for a day at a time
[16:05] <rhpot1991> didn't help they were built in 1980 something
[16:05] <MythbuntuGuest87> umm really, just the local channels and discovery, but if i could record like Movies in HD i would totally pay for that
[16:05] <tgm4883> hmm
[16:06] <tgm4883> ok then
[16:06] <rhpot1991> I doubt you will get any premiums in HD ever
[16:06] <tgm4883> unfortunatly you'll probably need an HD plan
[16:06] <tgm4883> because of discovery HD theater
[16:06] <MythbuntuGuest87> would I be able to record discovery?
[16:07] <rhpot1991> tgm4883: are they required by law to tell you which channels you have access to?
[16:07] <MythbuntuGuest87> would I have to use firewire and see if comcast here allows for discovery theater to be recorded
[16:07] <rhpot1991> or is it just hope that they aren't flagging or encrypting what you want and try it out
[16:07] <tgm4883> IIRC i did receive the premium channels for a month, then my trial was up
[16:07] <rhpot1991> premium as in HBO and the likes?
[16:08] <tgm4883> rhpot1991, i don't think they have to tell you, but i don't believe they are allowed to copy control the locals
[16:08] <tgm4883> MythbuntuGuest87, you should be able to get discovery, but again, that would be up to the copy control flag
[16:08] <rhpot1991> does mythtv obey the copy controls?
[16:08] <tgm4883> rhpot1991, no, cant record them
[16:08] <tgm4883> rhpot1991, and yes, on the HBO and such
[16:08] <rhpot1991> strange, no work around for that?
[16:09] <tgm4883> rhpot1991, is there a work around for DRM on linux?
[16:09] <rhpot1991> hmmm I thought the copy control was just a flag
[16:09] <tgm4883> well, a flag and a handshake
[16:09] <rhpot1991> ah ok
[16:10] <rhpot1991> do you have comcast or something else?
[16:10] <tgm4883> comcast
[16:10] <tgm4883> in the north west
[16:10] <MythbuntuGuest87> comcast south west
[16:10] <rhpot1991> did you see sandvine effecting anything?
[16:10] <MythbuntuGuest87> well soon to be... i need to go out to them tomorrow and get cable
[16:10] <tgm4883> sandvine?
[16:11] <rhpot1991> Its my understanding that comcast doesn't operate the same across the board, as they buy out little companies and it takes a while for the technologies to be implemented there
[16:11] <tgm4883> oh the torrent thing?
[16:11] <rhpot1991> ya
[16:11] <tgm4883> no, hasn't affected me here yet
[16:11] <rhpot1991> well they kinda stopped doing it since the AP made a big deal out of it
[16:12] <rhpot1991> being I had that effect me, I would think my cable might be more strict here too
[16:12] <tgm4883> MythbuntuGuest87, there is also one more issue with firewire
[16:13] <tgm4883> if the signal for a channel is poorly broadcast, then it could screw up that channel via firewire
[16:13] <MythbuntuGuest87> i see
[16:13] <MythbuntuGuest87> i skimmed that table in the link you sent, and it seemed alot of firewire ports might have problems....
[16:13] <tgm4883> although majoridiot says that they don't like to do that and that a technician will usually fix that
[16:14] <MythbuntuGuest87> i see
[16:14] <tgm4883> MythbuntuGuest87, what you need to decide is discovery HD theater worth it
[16:15] <rhpot1991> MythbuntuGuest87: you can prob get a 3 month deal on HD
[16:15] <tgm4883> cause thats the whole reason for the firewire box and for the HD cable plan
[16:15] <rhpot1991> then cancel it after that if firewire can't record the channels you want
[16:15] <tgm4883> the local HD channels should be able to be received with a basic plan
[16:16] <rhpot1991> my understanding is that a hdhomerun can get 1-100 in digital/HD
[16:16] <rhpot1991> if they are offered in that
[16:16] <rhpot1991> with any basic plan
[16:16] <tgm4883> well basic expanded would be through the 70's
[16:18] <MythbuntuGuest87> yea, i don't think discovery is worth it
[16:19] <MythbuntuGuest87> I think I am just going to go with SD recording, but with a C2D and Nvidia Card to support the HDLCD TV.  Then, if I want to add in the HDHomeRun later, I can always get it
[16:20] <rhpot1991> you can always get your HD from other sources....
[16:20] <MythbuntuGuest87> yea
[16:20] <MythbuntuGuest87> thats what i think i may do
[16:20] <MythbuntuGuest87> i really only watch heroes
[16:20] <tgm4883> which is excellent in HD
[16:20] <MythbuntuGuest87> but thats because I watch it at my friends place on his HD LCD TV
[16:21] <rhpot1991> MythbuntuGuest87: using netflix for HD is another option
[16:21] <MythbuntuGuest87> i think i would watch other shows, like the office .. etc in HD if I could at home
[16:21] <rhpot1991> I think they offer HDDVD and bluray
[16:21] <MythbuntuGuest87> i don't have a player
[16:21] <MythbuntuGuest87> for either
[16:21] <MythbuntuGuest87> nor netflix
[16:22] <tgm4883> blockbuster online has both too
[16:22] <tgm4883> in stores they only have bluray, but online they have HDDVD too
[16:22] <rhpot1991> I am opposed to blockbuster online with their "free" in store option, which actually costs $1 per month
[16:22] <MythbuntuGuest87> i am going to wait for hddvd and blue ray  computer players to come down in price, then I may put it in the PVR
[16:23] <MythbuntuGuest87> Anyways, im out.  Got to get ready for School and Work.  Thanks for all the help guys.
[18:47] <keescook> *sigh* uk mirror came back... empty.
[19:23] <tgm4883> keescook, what do you mean?
[19:23] <tgm4883> rhpot1991, what do you mean it costs $1 per month?
[19:27] <keescook> tgm4883: uk mirror came back up with rsync, and offered an empty iso directory -- so my mirror wiped all copies of mythbuntu.
[19:27] <keescook> i just finished re-downloading them from another mirror.
[19:28] <tgm4883> strange
[19:28] <tgm4883> bendailey, ping
[19:28] <rhpot1991> tgm4883 check their plans, the plan with the "free" in store exchange is $1 more than the plan without it
[19:28] <tgm4883> rhpot1991, interesting
[19:29] <rhpot1991> I'm on a netflix trial now, and so far I am liking it
[19:29] <tgm4883> rhpot1991, they must have changed that, i've been a member for a long time and it wasn't like that
[19:29] <bendailey> tgm4883: pong
[19:29] <tgm4883> bendailey <keescook> tgm4883: uk mirror came back up with rsync, and offered an empty iso directory -- so my mirror wiped all copies of mythbuntu
[19:29] <bendailey> yeah Daviey needs to pull the isos from somewhere I talked with him this morning
[19:30] <tgm4883> Daviey, ping
[19:30] <bendailey> I can go and shutdown rsync until he gets the images pulled in if he isn't around
[19:30] <tgm4883> that sounds like a good option, i wouldn't want all our mirrors wiped
[19:30] <tgm4883> mines still good, but will rsync within the next 2 hours i believe
[19:31] <bendailey> tgm4883: done rsync is shutdown if Daviey restarts the box it will come back though
[19:31] <tgm4883> k
[19:32] <rhpot1991> tgm4883: I think its their response to netflix being cheaper, they prob added the no in store pickup later
[19:42] <bendailey> clear
[19:42] <bendailey> sorry wrong window
[19:42]  * tgm4883 shocks bendaily with 300 volts
[19:42] <tgm4883> nothing.  up it to 400
[19:42] <tgm4883> clear
[19:42]  * tgm4883 shocks bendaily with 400 volts
[19:43] <tgm4883> we've got a rythm
[19:43]  * bendailey thinks tgm4883 is one funny guy
[19:43] <tgm4883> whoa, i just quick
[19:44] <tgm4883> i only shut my laptop down 30 minutes ago
[21:17] <KjetilK> I just got my box up and running on mythbuntu (yay, thanks!)
[21:18] <KjetilK> first problem is that I have a FullHD LCD TV, and a GeForce 8500 GT card, but I'm only getting 1280x720
[21:21] <directhex> what model screen, and how's it connected?
[21:21] <KjetilK> DVI to HDMI
[21:21] <KjetilK> It is a Elfunk screen
[21:22] <KjetilK> Identifies itself as "OEM 37'' TFT-TV (DFP-0)"
[21:24] <KjetilK> Some relevant logs at http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/2496/
[21:36] <KjetilK> it couldn't be that I'm hitting my head into some HDCP sillyness of "degrade the resolution unless we know what's going on"?
[21:55] <directhex> KjetilK, garbage EDID data?
[21:55] <directhex> KjetilK, that's a common enough occurance. are you POSITIVE it's got an exact resolution of 1920x1080 (some screens can accept that res, but don't have that many pixels)
[21:58] <Pete_B> hi. I am trying to install mythbuntu 7.10. I have a Hauppauge Nova-T card. what do I choose from the 'capture card setup' - 'card type' menu option? I've tried your web site and can't find anything to help me
[21:58] <Pete_B> it's a PCI card
[21:59] <directhex> it's a dvb card
[21:59] <directhex> digital. whatever the menu calls it
[22:00] <Pete_B> DVB-T. when I choose 'DVB DTV capture card' (ver 3.x)' it says it recognises the card model but I can't 'scan for channels' on the subsequent screen
[22:02] <Pete_B> sorry, when I choose 'DVB DTV...' it doesn;t say it recognises the presence of the card. however when i choose 'mjpeg capture card' and some alternatives _then_ it says it recognises the presence of the particular model
[22:04] <Pete_B> I don;t see anything in the install guide to explain what this card is supposed to be called in that 'card type' menu option
[22:07] <Pete_B> surely this is a common card?
[22:09] <Pete_B> I'm upgrading from an earlier version. It would have been a million times easier if you guys had written it to just keep my settings and upgrade the software
[22:19] <directhex> yes, it's a common card
[22:19] <directhex> i use one myself
[22:19] <directhex> scanning should be fine
[22:21] <Pete_B> what 'card type' do you choose? (I agree, should be fine, this was easy last time with Mythbuntu compared with other MythTV distros)
[22:22] <directhex> 'DVB DTV capture card' (ver 3.x)'
[22:22] <directhex> anything else will absolutely not work
[22:23] <directhex> other things that won't work include using a software CAm emulator to access encrypted channels
[22:25] <Pete_B> 'DVB DTV capture card' is one of the options that doesn't recognise the card's presence. I've chosen to sinatll anyway so will go back now and have a try again. thanks for responding.
[22:34] <Pete_B> now that it's installed I get a response for 'DVB DTV capture card' with the chipset name where I didn't during the live CD run. Tho 'scan for channels' still claims the card can't be found. thanks for the help. I have no more patience left to continue troubleshooting this tonight.
[23:57] <Mersault> Did the weekly svn builds fail to build this week?