[00:06] <eghjaytee> Hello, can anyone point me to any how tos for running GFS on 6.06?
[01:44] <kgoetz> hi all, something to think about (while i wander off for an hour) - does the idea of shipping a standard vhost template with our apache appeal to anyone else? the one i've been refining over the last few weeks should be pretty good for easy understandability/usability/ (security?), and i know i'd prefer to have had a template in sites-available then hae to work it out somehow
[01:44] <kgoetz> i'm thinking of fileing a wishlist for it to get included, but thought i'd ask here too
[01:46] <kgoetz> http://k-k.homelinux.net:81/~kgoetz/apache2-vhost-template.txt is the link, the .txt is so lighhtttpd doesnnt try and server it as binary :\
[02:16] <kshah> apt-get remove apache2   doesn't remove apache?
[02:16] <kshah> file are still present
[02:17] <kshah> apt-get remove ruby, everything kinda sorta not working...
[02:21] <zul> apt-get --purge
[02:23] <kshah> Okay
[05:16] <CyberMad> i want to running ubuntu-server with ejabberd (intranet IM), fax server (hylafax), VMware-server with 1 XP Pro, Apache2 WebServer + MySQL Server.. there are 25 users, access that server not frequently
[05:16] <CyberMad> what actually hardware specification i need?
[05:16] <CyberMad> 1st.. from processor, which one should i choose: Intel or AMD ?
[05:21] <Burgundavia> CyberMad: either, depends on the price point
[05:29] <CyberMad> Burgundavia so, Intel or AMD is ok?
[05:29] <CyberMad> does sempron LE-1100 1,9 GHz can make it?
[05:38] <Burgundavia> CyberMad: why is the xp pro stuff on the same server as your jabber server
[05:38] <Burgundavia> ?
[05:38] <Burgundavia> I would split them out
[05:42] <CyberMad> because i don't want spend money for more pc
[05:56] <Burgundavia> the paranoid admin is me says windows  + server == bad
[05:57] <ScottK> Burgundavia: Not paranoid.  Realistic.
[06:48] <CyberMad> Burgundavia i use that VMWare (XP Virtual Machine), just for remote desktop
[06:48] <CyberMad> so user can remote that PC for running windows application
[06:49] <Burgundavia> CyberMad: that is crazy, tbh
[06:50] <Burgundavia> keep your users away from your server
[07:03] <CyberMad> Burgundavia what do you mean?
[07:03] <CyberMad> Burgundavia that just virtual machine
[07:03] <CyberMad> what they can do?
[07:26] <Burgundavia> CyberMad: if a user has a login on a computer, they can compromise it
[07:26] <Burgundavia> for that matter, Windows has known bugs
[07:26] <Burgundavia> and if somebody can get root on one of your servers...
[07:32] <tjaalton> hrm, are there any known issues running dapper on a HP DL380G5? It crashes here frequently
[07:38] <tjaalton> call trace starts from bnx2_poll, which would suggest a bug in the broadcom driver
[14:18] <doktoreas> hello everybody
[14:18] <doktoreas> anyone is using JeOS? I am moved my first steps into virtualization
[14:19] <doktoreas> basically jeOS is a sort of customized livecd?
[14:22] <soren> No.
[14:22] <soren> Customised install cd.
[14:24] <clifter1> doktoreas:  It's literally as the name implies...   Just Enough OS
[14:25] <doktoreas> but i can add all package i need and then zip it and send to people?
[14:25] <doktoreas> to use with WMVare?
[14:29] <soren> doktoreas: Sure.
[14:29] <doktoreas> thx soren..
[14:29] <doktoreas> i'll give it a try
[14:30] <doktoreas> cause we need to set up a virtual machine every times..the idea is to built one with all package we need and then use that one
[15:50] <jens> ubuntu server 6.06 will get 5 year's of security updates, right?
[15:50] <jens> so, now, what happens if i install xubuntu-desktop on my server ?
[15:50] <jens> will I get 5 year's of security updates ?
[15:50] <jens> I guessed not; since xubuntu will only get 3years of updates?
[15:51] <jens> and they use the same repositories
[15:51] <nealmcb> jens: desktop packages won't get 5-years of support - I think it is stuff in the server seed
[15:51] <nealmcb> ...that does
[15:51] <jens> ok
[15:51] <nealmcb> or something close to that
[15:52] <jens> so, if you install something on your server that is in a *-desktop package you won't get security updates for it?
[15:52] <nealmcb> right
[15:52] <jens> for the last 2 years
[15:53] <jens> that includes cupsys?
[15:54] <nealmcb> at least not updates as guaranteed by canonical.  I assume that like with universe, community members will be able to put security updates out there for the last 2 years until the repository is put into archive mode
[15:54] <nealmcb> I think cupsys is part of the server seed, just not the gui admin tools, but you'd need to check
[15:55] <jens> ok, thank you verry much
[15:55] <nealmcb> :-)
[15:59]  * nealmcb is VERY GLAD to be back on his nice laptop with his files and apps working again.....
[16:42] <rodneykk> where do i configure how many logs to keep through syslog in /var/log and how big the files should be before it starts a new one, and also how do i make it stop gzip'ing the rotated logs? is this all done through logrotate.d?
[16:44] <mralphabet> the gzip part is all through logrotate
[16:44] <mralphabet> the rest of it may be as well
[16:47] <rodneykk> ok cool
[16:47] <rodneykk> is there a way to log all syslog stuff in a mysql db?
[16:52] <mralphabet> rodneykk: ask your question again, those two may know
[17:01] <ks> strange... while installing jeos on vmware i specified disk as IDE, but installation wizard sees it as scsi
[17:01] <ks> is this tutorial outdated ? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/JeOS
[17:02] <ks> also I see busybox initially instead of ubuntu
[18:35] <Goosemoose> hi guys
[18:35] <Goosemoose> anyone using a network install and a preseed file with apt-cacher?.
[18:36] <Goosemoose> i keep getting told the specified mirror is not available or does not have a valid release file on it
[18:36] <soren> Does it?
[18:37] <Goosemoose> i just installed it
[18:37] <Goosemoose> i can browse to it via http://10.0.2.131:3142 and get an apt-cache screen
[18:37] <soren> Installed what?
[18:37] <soren> Oh.
[18:37] <Goosemoose> apt-cache
[18:37] <soren> And can you see a Release file somewhere?
[18:38] <soren> http://10.0.2.131:3142/se.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/gutsy/Release (if memory serves)
[18:38] <Goosemoose> not exactly sure where i should find it.
[18:38] <Goosemoose> ok let me look
[18:38] <Goosemoose> ok that listed tons of stuff
[18:38] <Goosemoose> maybe my problem is that I set it to use fiesty in the preseed
[18:39] <Goosemoose> what would the difference be? the ubuntu docs im following used fiesty
[18:39] <soren> Should be the same (for your use)
[18:40] <soren> What did you put in the preseed (w.r.t. the mirror to use)
[18:40] <Goosemoose> d-i mirror/protocol string http
[18:40] <Goosemoose> d-i mirror/http/hostname string 10.0.2.131:3142
[18:40] <Goosemoose> d-i mirror/http/directory string /ubuntu
[18:41] <Goosemoose> d-i mirror/suite string fiesty
[18:41] <soren> d-i mirror/http/directory string /se.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu
[18:41] <soren> Try that instead of what you had.
[18:41] <Goosemoose> ok
[18:42] <Goosemoose> change the fiesty line to gusty?
[18:42] <soren> What do you want to install?
[18:42] <Goosemoose> this is all my testing leading up to deploying edubuntu on tons of machines
[18:42] <soren> gutsy or feisty?
[18:42] <Goosemoose> not exactly sure. to be honest ive been a network admin for 10 years running tons of windows servers, and linux experience has all been with CentOS server, never linux clients
[18:42] <Goosemoose> whats the diff?
[18:42] <soren> gutsy is new. feisty is old.
[18:43] <Goosemoose> gusty it is then
[18:43] <soren> Then you should put that. :)
[18:43] <Goosemoose> makes sense then since im following a doc made for ubuntu 6.1!
[18:43] <soren> There's no such thing. There's 6.06 and 6.10.
[18:44] <soren> Which were released in June 2006 and October 2006. See the pattern? :)
[18:44] <Goosemoose> 6.10
[18:45] <soren> I can't think of any of the basics that have changed in the preseed files.
[18:46] <Goosemoose> ok
[18:55] <Goosemoose> soren, looks like that was it thanks
[18:55] <Goosemoose> so my next question then :)
[18:56] <Goosemoose> I had setup a machine that authenticated all the users against my AD Domain
[18:56] <Goosemoose> required changing quite a few files
[18:56] <Goosemoose> i also install quite a few programs off the edubuntu cd 2
[18:56] <Goosemoose> how do I work that into this auto install?
[18:56] <Goosemoose> add lines to the end of the preseed file?
[18:57] <soren> There's late-command, that might do what you want.
[18:57] <soren> ...and there's a setting to add packages, too.
[18:59] <Goosemoose> know where there's some more info on that
[18:59] <Goosemoose> all i see is this in the example
[18:59] <Goosemoose> #d-i pkgsel/include string openssh-server build-essential
[19:00] <Goosemoose> oh , actually maybe its this:
[19:00] <Goosemoose> #d-i preseed/late_command string apt-install zsh; in-target chsh -s /bin/zsh
[19:00] <Goosemoose> so i just use apt-install for everything
[19:31] <rodpod> to do the AD stuff apt-get install samba krb5 winbind
[19:53] <Goosemoose> rodpod, i had to edit a lot of conf files though
[19:54] <Goosemoose> ok, towards the end of the install i got Cannot Access Security Updates
[19:54] <Goosemoose> The security updates on securityu.ubuntu.com couldn't be accessed so those update will not be made available
[19:54] <Goosemoose> then it says it Commented out entries for security.ubuntu.com have been added to the /etc/apt/sources.list file
[20:03] <Goosemoose> any ideas?
[20:05] <mralphabet> Goosemoose: are you trying to do preseeds?
[20:06] <Goosemoose> yes
[20:06] <Goosemoose> already have it going through most of the install
[20:06] <Goosemoose> but its stopped on the security updates
[20:07] <mralphabet> I know the answer to that . . . I think
[20:07] <mralphabet> sec
[20:08] <Goosemoose> ok, thanks
[20:09] <mralphabet> Goosemoose: from yesterday actually:
[20:09] <mralphabet> #ubuntu-server_0712.log:12:13 < proprietarysucks> so in your normal, redhat-style kickstart for ubuntu you can simply add 'preseed apt-setup/security_host string' anywhere
[20:09] <mralphabet> #ubuntu-server_0712.log:12:14 < proprietarysucks> that will simply disable the security updates
[20:09] <Goosemoose> ok, but what if i dont want to disable them?
[20:10] <mralphabet> that's just for the install, reenable them after
[20:10] <Goosemoose> i just want them to install properly, not sure why it's saying it can't access them
[20:10] <Goosemoose> oh
[20:10] <Goosemoose> this is going out for 250 school computers
[20:10] <Goosemoose> so i want as much automated as possible
[20:10] <Goosemoose> that will at least get rid of that error screen
[20:11] <Goosemoose> can i set security updates to install automatically later?
[20:12] <mralphabet> what that guy did is mirror the entire security.ubuntu.com to something local . . . as that guy is the one working on something similar _right now_, I would suggest tracking him down
[20:13] <mralphabet> I just remembered him talking about it, I am not familiar with it personally ;(
[20:13] <Goosemoose> ok, no problem
[20:13] <Goosemoose> that will at least get me past this for now, i appreciate it
[20:13] <ivoks> you want to install the system without updating during install?
[20:13] <Goosemoose> i want it to update during install
[20:13] <Goosemoose> but im getting an error
[20:13] <Goosemoose> The security updates on securityu.ubuntu.com couldn't be accessed so those update will not be made available
[20:14] <Goosemoose> then it says it Commented out entries for security.ubuntu.com have been added to the /etc/apt/sources.list file
[20:14] <Goosemoose> im wondering if maybe it's a proxy issue
[20:14] <ivoks> well, if they are unavailable...?
[20:14] <rodpod> does anyone know if i need to modprobe ip_gre if im going to be allowing vpn traffic through iptables, or will it automatically load
[20:14] <Goosemoose> although the rest of the package installed
[20:14] <Goosemoose> yes, but why are they unavailable
[20:14] <ivoks> rodpod: you need to enable it
[20:14] <ivoks> rodpod: just add to /etc/modules
[20:15] <Goosemoose> any ideas ivoks?
[20:17] <ivoks> could be proxy or something...
[20:17] <Goosemoose> though the rest of the packages pulled fine
[20:20] <ivoks> interesting...
[20:20] <ivoks> maybe proxy filters urls with security in it :)
[20:23] <ivoks> try security_host XX.archive.ubuntu.com
[20:23] <ivoks> preseed apt-setup/security_host hr.archive.ubuntu.com
[20:23] <ivoks> this should work
[20:28] <Goosemoose> add it anywhere in the preseed file?
[20:29] <Goosemoose> hr=croatia?
[20:29] <ivoks> right, croatia
[20:29] <Goosemoose> that where you are?
[20:29] <ivoks> you can do it on the command line
[20:30] <ivoks> yeah, i'm administrating that archive
[20:30] <Goosemoose> cool, i have a home on hvar :)
[20:30] <ivoks> nice
[20:30] <Goosemoose> my family is all from there, im in the US
[20:31] <Goosemoose> doesnt work on command line, doesn't know the preseed command
[20:31] <Goosemoose> shouldn't I add it into my preseed file?
[20:31] <ivoks> you can, of course
[20:32] <ivoks> d-i apt-setup/security_host hr.archive.ubuntu.com
[20:32] <Goosemoose> ok so 'd-i mirror/security_host hr.archive.ubuntu.com
[20:32] <Goosemoose> like that?
[20:33] <ivoks> yes
[20:33] <ivoks> no
[20:33] <Goosemoose> ok
[20:33] <ivoks> d-i apt-setup/security_host hr.archive.ubuntu.com
[20:33] <Goosemoose> d-i apt-setup/security_host string
[20:33] <Goosemoose> yeah ok
[20:33] <Goosemoose> is there a us.archive.ubuntu.com would prob be closer
[20:34] <ivoks> there is
[20:34] <ivoks> i'm sure they have security archive
[20:34] <Goosemoose> ok ill rebot this and try it again
[20:35] <Goosemoose> be back in a few, grabbing lunch. thanks for the assistance
[20:35] <ivoks> np
[21:01] <kraut> does ubuntu boot on via eden without any problems?
[21:22] <Goosemoose> ok this is funny
[21:22] <Goosemoose> where in hell did the computer i just installed over the network using a pressed file get it's computer name from?
[21:22] <Goosemoose> it copied it from another computer on the domain!
[21:23] <ivoks> from dns
[21:23] <ivoks> eh dhcp :)
[21:23] <Goosemoose> how can i control that?
[21:23] <ivoks> preseed it
[21:24] <Goosemoose> could i have it actually ask? not answer that question in the process?
[21:24] <Goosemoose> just comment that out?
[21:24] <sommer> I just name all my machines "ubuntu"... heh :)
[21:24] <ivoks> right
[21:24] <Goosemoose> sommer, haha
[21:24] <Goosemoose> sommer, doesn't that cause a problem with dns?
[21:24] <bettong> if it copied it from another computer, your dns/dhcp is wrong
[21:25] <Goosemoose> it's a computer that doesn't exist anymore
[21:25] <sommer> Goosemoose: I kid, I kid
[21:25] <Goosemoose> but im sure the entry still hasn't timed out
[21:25] <Goosemoose> sommer, ahh ok, phew
[21:25] <Goosemoose> can i give it a new random name like Classroom-###
[21:25] <ivoks> your dns has an entry for that ip
[21:25] <Goosemoose> ivoks, im sure it does
[21:25] <Goosemoose> wwouldn't clear itself for a few days
[21:25] <Goosemoose> lease is set to a week
[21:26] <Goosemoose> i also didn't get a gui
[21:26] <Goosemoose> not sure where i screwed up there
[21:26] <Goosemoose> must be with the default file
[21:26] <ivoks> you didn't choose to install ubuntu-desktop by default?
[21:26] <Goosemoose> looking up what i did now
[21:29] <Goosemoose> tasksel tasksel/first multiselect standard, desktop
[21:29] <Goosemoose> that's it right?
[21:30] <ivoks> isn't it ubuntu-desktop?
[21:30] <ivoks> and ubuntu-standard?
[21:30] <Goosemoose> might be, like i said these docs are from 6.10
[21:30] <Goosemoose> ok so i need ubunt-desktop then
[21:30] <ivoks> tasksel --list-tasks
[21:30] <Goosemoose> which deafaults to gnome ?
[21:30] <ivoks> ubuntu-desktop
[21:31] <ivoks> there's no task ubuntu-standard
[21:31] <ivoks> those are packages
[21:31] <Goosemoose> got it
[21:31] <Goosemoose> i want edubuntu-desktop then
[21:31] <Goosemoose> hmm, i see edubuntu-live there
[21:31] <Goosemoose> that going to do something different?
[21:33] <Goosemoose> ok made it tasksel tasksel/first multiselect edubuntu-desktop
[21:33] <Goosemoose> or do i still need standard in there
[21:33] <Goosemoose> ok made it tasksel tasksel/first multiselect standard,edubuntu-desktop
[21:33] <ivoks> you don't read?
[21:34] <Goosemoose> i do
[21:34] <ivoks> tasksel --list-tasks
[21:34] <Goosemoose> i've found one damn doc!
[21:34] <Goosemoose> yeah im looking at that list
[21:34] <Goosemoose> i just not sure what the syntax is in the tasksel tasksel/first multiselect edubuntu-desktop  command
[21:34] <ivoks> there's no standard, right?
[21:34] <Goosemoose> not in the list
[21:34] <Goosemoose> thought it might be part of the command itself
[21:35] <Goosemoose> like i dont know what tasksel/first means
[21:35] <Goosemoose> im guess task selection which would assume more than one option
[21:35] <Goosemoose> and sets the first to somethign
[21:35] <ivoks> don't use tasksel
[21:36] <Goosemoose> What should I use instead? I feel like such an idiot here, usually I can just look this stuff up!
[21:36] <ivoks> preseed preseed/early_command apt-install ubuntu-desktop
[21:37] <sommer> is hardy 8.03 or 8.04?
[21:37] <ivoks> or even better
[21:37] <Goosemoose> put that anywhere in the preseed file (not sure if order matters)?
[21:37] <ivoks> preseed preseed/late_command apt-install ubuntu-desktop
[21:37] <ivoks> preseed preseed/late_command string apt-install ubuntu-desktop
[21:37] <ivoks> that last one is correct
[21:37] <Goosemoose> lol
[21:37] <Goosemoose> ok
[21:37] <Goosemoose> got it
[21:38] <ivoks> sommer: 4
[21:38] <Goosemoose> ok, im commenting out the package selection line then
[21:38] <sommer> thx ivoks
[21:38] <ivoks> Goosemoose: with late_command you can setup custom /etc/apt/sources.list
[21:39] <Goosemoose> i setup a atp-cache server on the tftp server
[21:39] <Goosemoose> so it should be installing off of that
[21:39] <Goosemoose> apt-cache
[21:39] <ivoks> preseed preseed/late_command string apt-install ubuntu-desktop; echo "bla bla bla" > /target/etc/apt/sources.list ; echo "bla bla bla 2" >> /target/etc/apt/sources.list
[21:40] <Goosemoose> i see
[21:40] <Goosemoose> got it, it's the last line at the very end
[21:40] <Goosemoose> one long command for all the extra stuff
[21:41] <ivoks> i created iso with auto install
[21:41] <Goosemoose> with all the packages in it already?
[21:41] <ivoks> so, i could take a look tomorrow and let you know how i did it
[21:41] <ivoks> yeah
[21:41] <Goosemoose> i had setup a machine exactly how i wanted it and wanted to do that
[21:41] <Goosemoose> as setting it up to authenticate against AD was a pain in the arse
[21:41] <ivoks> that should be piece of cake in 8.04
[21:41] <Goosemoose> but since there's 250 these need to install over network
[21:41] <Goosemoose> yeah, not out yet though
[21:42] <ivoks> well...
[21:42] <ivoks> http://www.likewisesoftware.com/community/
[21:42] <ivoks> this works even now :)
[21:42] <ivoks> don't worry, this is new stuff, released yesterday, if i'm not mistaken...
[21:43] <ivoks> i saw presentation at UDS - great stuff
[21:43] <Goosemoose> was gonna say, i just spent a week trying it the 'old' way
[21:43] <Goosemoose> can it authenticate logins as well?
[21:43] <ivoks> everything
[21:43] <Goosemoose> i had to setup a pam module to query AD for usernames and passwords
[21:43] <Goosemoose> nice
[21:44] <ivoks> it integrates in PAM, yes
[21:44] <ivoks> so, whatever uses PAM, works
[21:44] <Goosemoose> is that what's going into 8.04?
[21:44] <ivoks> yes
[21:44] <Goosemoose> ok once i get this preseeding to work ill check it out
[21:44] <fujin_> o0
[21:44] <fujin_> likewise looks nice
[21:44] <fujin_> aptgettable?
[21:44] <ivoks> fujin_: there is gutsy package on web
[21:44] <fujin_> I hate pissing around with libnss-pam/libldap-pam etc
[21:45] <fujin_> oic
[21:45] <fujin_> cool.
[21:45] <ivoks> it's not aptgetable, since it's 24h old :)
[21:45] <fujin_> how stable?
[21:45] <Goosemoose> http://www.likewisesoftware.com/bits/likewise-open_4.0.0-1likewise1_i386.deb
[21:45] <Goosemoose> there's ubuntu version
[21:45] <ivoks> what i've seen at UDS, works without problems
[21:45] <ivoks> it has nice GUI
[21:45] <ivoks> and also a CLI tool
[21:47] <mralphabet> somebody (coffeedude?) is working on likewise to be integrated into hardy, wants it released in repos beginning of January
[21:47] <ivoks> right
[21:48] <ivoks> he did the presentation at UDS
[21:48] <ivoks> coffeedude rulez :)
[21:50] <ivoks> bye all
[21:53] <sommer> later ivoks
[22:13] <Goosemoose> hmm i ended up with a software selection prompt
[22:13] <Goosemoose> missed that in the pressed file somehow
[22:13] <Goosemoose> asking what type of desktop, etc
[22:14] <Goosemoose> i dont think ivoks idea worked
[22:15] <Goosemoose> ok, added the tasksel back, lets see if it works