| ubotu | New bug: #102633 in xorg (main) "gnome / xserver doesn't start from live cd" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/102633 | 00:17 |
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| ubotu | New bug: #105758 in xorg (main) "nVidia chipset install must use alternate disk" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/105758 | 00:21 |
| ubotu | New bug: #174042 in xorg (main) "Xorg does not properly detect and configure second monitor in Hardy Alpha 1 (Nvidia)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174042 | 00:21 |
| tjaalton | wow, the post by david on debian-x is good stuff | 06:31 |
| tjaalton | xresprobe going away \o/ | 06:32 |
| ubotu | New bug: #174120 in xserver-xorg-driver-nv (main) "No screen display with hardy/gutsy displays from gdm onwards" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174120 | 10:45 |
| ubotu | New bug: #165240 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22 (restricted) "mouse clicks fail after monitor powered off and back on" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/165240 | 11:01 |
| ubotu | New bug: #164506 in compiz (main) "Memory usage = 100% with Visual Effects in Gutsy (dup-of: 151168)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164506 | 15:16 |
| mvo | tjaalton, bryce: do you mind if I upload http://paste.ubuntu.com/2484/ ? it should fix the transition -driver-all to -video-all for dapper->hardy upgrades (currently people end up without -video-all) | 16:04 |
| ubotu | New bug: #174171 in xserver-xorg-video-intel (main) "[hardy] xorg crash with "gdm_slave_xioerror_handler: Fatal X error - Restarting :0"" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174171 | 16:11 |
| ubotu | New bug: #160658 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22 (restricted) "Using fglrx my computer is brought to a full stop if I log into an account, switch to an other and log out" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/160658 | 18:09 |
| tjaalton | mvo: could it depend on -video-all? | 18:10 |
| tjaalton | maybe not, since -video-all replaces -driver-all | 18:11 |
| tjaalton | mvo: do you have a bug #? | 18:26 |
| tjaalton | it's strange that people would be left without -video-all, if they have xserver-xorg installed | 18:36 |
| ubotu | New bug: #160871 in xorg (main) "Screen resolution issues in Gutsy" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/160871 | 18:52 |
| ubotu | New bug: #163222 in xorg (main) "windows have lines to the right" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163222 | 18:54 |
| tjaalton | bryce: currently the hardy live-session does not create an xorg.conf, because livecd-rootfs cleans the stub which is created on postinst | 19:07 |
| tjaalton | sorry, preinst | 19:07 |
| tjaalton | so when postinst is run it refuses to create xorg.conf | 19:08 |
| bryce | hrm | 19:10 |
| tjaalton | I haven't looked further how to fix that | 19:10 |
| * tjaalton continues looking at xkeyboard-config bugs | 19:15 | |
| tjaalton | too bad that xkb-data is not in git.fd.o | 19:16 |
| mvo | tjaalton: sorry, I don't have a bugnumber yet, but I can create a bugreport for you if you wantone | 19:53 |
| tjaalton | mvo: ok, so it's your upgrade tests that had this issue? | 19:54 |
| tjaalton | maybe a bug is not needed | 19:54 |
| mvo | tjaalton: yes, but I'm pretty sure that its universal | 19:54 |
| mvo | (i.e. not specific to my test environment) | 19:54 |
| tjaalton | but wouldn't -video-all replace the old -driver-all? | 19:55 |
| tjaalton | you did have -d-a installed in dapper? | 19:55 |
| ubotu | New bug: #5740 in xkeyboard-config (main) "Problems with Apple keyboard" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/5740 | 19:55 |
| mvo | tjaalton: the resolver does not cope properly, the system ends up with a single xserver-xorg-video-amd instead of -video-all. I did have driver-all installed on dapper | 20:00 |
| mvo | its a stock install without any changes basicly | 20:00 |
| tjaalton | that's odd | 20:00 |
| ubotu | New bug: #174214 in xorg (main) "[Hardy] xserver-xorg can't generate configuration file" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174214 | 20:00 |
| tjaalton | maybe something else triggers that | 20:01 |
| tjaalton | if we added that metapackage, wouldn't we have the same problem with hardy+1? | 20:02 |
| tjaalton | hmm, Glühwein, bbl -> | 20:03 |
| mvo | I don't have the resolver logs at hand currently, but what happens is that -video-all gets selected first for install, but because of all the conflicts it generates with the -driver-$foo it gets removed again | 20:03 |
| mvo | haha - glühwein :) | 20:03 |
| mvo | xserver-xorg does not depend on -video-all, but on -video-1.0 | -video-all and so the user ends up with a single video driver that is enough to satisfy the depends | 20:04 |
| mvo | tjaalton: I think for hardy->hardy+1 we are fine, because all the -driver-$foo conflicts with -video-$foo conflicts go away and its just a single transional package that is left | 20:05 |
| mvo | I could hint this in the update-manager code and special case it, but I would prefer to solve it with dependencies so that people who are crazy^Wbrave enough to perform a apt-get dist-upgrade get the expected result too | 20:05 |
| bryce | my crazy cat | 20:11 |
| bryce | http://bryceharrington.org/Photos/Cats/i_cans_clean_gutters.jpg | 20:11 |
| bryce | that's the neighbor's roof that I see out my office window. They were having their gutters cleaned | 20:11 |
| mvo | heh :) | 20:13 |
| * mvo likes cats | 20:13 | |
| bryce | I regret teaching her how to climb ladders | 20:14 |
| bryce | it'd be ok, but it's harder for cats to go down ladders than to go up | 20:15 |
| ubotu | New bug: #89497 in xorg (main) "Language is faulty in the console" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/89497 | 20:20 |
| ubotu | New bug: #107399 in xserver-xorg-video-intel (main) "Laptop screen turns on with lid closed when mouse is moved in feisty" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/107399 | 20:57 |
| mvo | bryce: do you have a opinion on my proposed change? http://paste.ubuntu.com/2484/ | 21:01 |
| bryce | mvo, as long as it gets adequate testing, it looks good to me | 21:03 |
| tormod | hi, ati 6.7.196-2 is in experimental. do we have to file a sync request to get it into Hardy then? | 21:12 |
| bryce | I don't think experimental gets sync'd from automatically, so yeah | 21:16 |
| tormod | ok filed bug #174235, please confirm (subscribe archive managers) | 21:54 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 174235 in xserver-xorg-video-ati "please sync xserver-xorg-video-ati 1:6.7.196-2 from Debian experimental" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174235 | 21:54 |
| ubotu | New bug: #174235 in xserver-xorg-video-ati (main) "please sync xserver-xorg-video-ati 1:6.7.196-2 from Debian experimental" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174235 | 22:01 |
| tjaalton | mvo: ok, I see the point | 22:02 |
| tjaalton | mvo: committed to my tree | 22:08 |
| mvo | tjaalton: thanks! when do you plan the next upload? | 22:09 |
| tjaalton | mvo: dunno.. maybe we'll get to drop xresprobe later this week, so perhaps then? | 22:11 |
| tjaalton | but it's not that hard to do a release in the meantime | 22:11 |
| mvo | tjaalton: thanks! it would be cool to have a upload before the weekend, but I'm happy to help you if you want me to | 22:12 |
| tjaalton | mvo: ok, I'll see what I can do (tomorrow is a day off anyway, so I should have time) | 22:13 |
| tjaalton | there's the "no xorg.conf" bug that should be fixed too | 22:13 |
| mvo | thanks! | 22:14 |
| mvo | I'm off to bed now too :) | 22:14 |
| tjaalton | np:) | 22:14 |
| * mvo waves | 22:15 | |
| tjaalton | bryce: do you know if we are supposed to get janitor mails for bugs that were autoclosed? | 22:35 |
| bryce | yes we should | 22:35 |
| bryce | in fact afaik the autoclosed ones were re-opened subsequently | 22:35 |
| tjaalton | ok | 22:36 |
| bryce | otoh, while I saw the decrease in the stats from the autocloses, I never saw a corresponding jump from reopens | 22:36 |
| tjaalton | btw, I can't find the link to those stats from the wiki | 22:36 |
| tjaalton | X wiki that is | 22:36 |
| tjaalton | I have 15112 mails on my lp-x mailbox (since May 2nd), and that's without the restricted crap :) | 22:38 |
| tjaalton | need to clean it up | 22:38 |
| bryce | heh | 22:43 |
| bryce | the links can be found via the Bug team's page, but I'll add the appropriate links to the X page | 22:44 |
| tjaalton | great, thanks | 22:45 |
| tjaalton | 6111 of those mails matched sourcepackage=xorg | 22:46 |
| bryce | btw, I set up PPA for ubuntu-x-swat yesterday | 22:46 |
| tjaalton | oh, cool | 22:46 |
| bryce | links are posted https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X | 22:47 |
| tjaalton | yep, just as I thought, there were some xorg bugs autoclosed yesterday | 22:51 |
| tjaalton | nice | 22:51 |
| bryce | huh | 22:51 |
| tjaalton | or someone was quick :) | 22:52 |
| tormod | hmm is it possible to join x-swat without getting all that bug mail? :) | 22:53 |
| bryce | I've added some additional links from brian to the X page - reports on bugs with max comments, max subscribers, etc. | 22:53 |
| bryce | tormod: unfortunately no | 22:54 |
| tjaalton | tormod: I'm afraid not :/ Can't you filter them in any way? | 22:54 |
| bryce | tormod: best approach is to filter them to /dev/null | 22:54 |
| bryce | brian did these reports after I mentioned that it seemed like the easiest bugs to fix were ones that had lots of eyeballs on them already, as they'd often already figured out a solution, it just needed cleaned up and packaged | 22:55 |
| tormod | seems like nobody really wants these mails? or can cope with the amount? | 22:55 |
| tjaalton | I do, but I also read just those that I find useful :) | 22:55 |
| tormod | well I'll think about opening a new mail account only for bug mail, and filter etc. | 22:56 |
| tjaalton | gmail can handle the load ;) | 22:56 |
| tormod | tjaalton: so you gonna find those useful ones among the 15112? | 22:56 |
| tjaalton | don't know about how it filters them | 22:56 |
| tjaalton | tormod: I'll just delete the oldest ones at some point | 22:57 |
| tormod | you might as well just work through launchpad :) | 22:57 |
| tjaalton | like, older than three monts | 22:57 |
| tjaalton | +h | 22:57 |
| tjaalton | that's what I do, I never reply to these by mail :) | 22:57 |
| bryce | tjaalton: there's a page pitti did on wiki with some bug filtering tips | 22:57 |
| bryce | he segregates based on if he is a direct subscriber, team member, etc. | 22:57 |
| tormod | I meant, go through all reports on LP one by one, instead of the mails. | 22:58 |
| tjaalton | I have a folder which only gets the bugs that I've reported, but should do the same for those that I'm assigned to | 22:58 |
| bryce | actually I've found the mails to be quite useful | 22:58 |
| bryce | I've configured mutt's colors to highlight certain state changes and people, so while looking in threaded view I can quickly see replies to bugs I've asked questions on | 22:59 |
| tormod | nice, I guess I can make gmail to do something useful with its "labels" | 22:59 |
| tjaalton | headers have all the information you could need | 23:00 |
| tjaalton | X-Launchpad-Bug: ... | 23:00 |
| tjaalton | etc | 23:00 |
| bryce | yup | 23:01 |
| bryce | while I'm looking through my chart links, here's another interesting one, although not X-related: http://daniel.holba.ch/p300/ | 23:01 |
| tjaalton | damn, thunderbird doesn't know how to sort by the Subject _and_ show them in a thread | 23:01 |
| tormod | I just need to open another mail account first. Since for now, I sync my personal gmail with POP from time to time, and then I don't want to d/l all the bug mail. | 23:02 |
| bryce | ah true | 23:02 |
| tormod | I noticed xorg has 200 New bugs... | 23:02 |
| tjaalton | tormod: it supports IMAP now | 23:02 |
| tormod | yes I saw that. But if I just want to have a local copy of all mail, pop is almost as good. | 23:03 |
| tjaalton | we should probably decide a set of tags to use for xorg etc | 23:04 |
| tormod | tjaalton: good idea | 23:04 |
| tjaalton | since xorg tends to be the package that gets all the bugs that seem to be X related | 23:04 |
| tormod | I guess we should try to push more bugs over to xorg-server, I for one haven't been good at that. And leave xorg for untriaged/unknown package? | 23:07 |
| tjaalton | well, it has all the stuff that xserver-xorg configuration fails to do right | 23:08 |
| tjaalton | of course many of the >400 bugs are in fact xorg-server or driver bugs, so those need to be cleaned out from there | 23:09 |
| tormod | only? should it maybe also have the stuff that goes wrong in the server (which is not driver-specific)? | 23:09 |
| tormod | xserver-xorg I mean by "it" | 23:10 |
| tjaalton | it should have all the stuff that doesn't have a better home :) | 23:10 |
| tjaalton | stuff=bugs | 23:10 |
| tormod | yes :) | 23:11 |
| tjaalton | so for instance, crashers should be elsewhere | 23:11 |
| tormod | did anyone feel like blessing the ati sync? | 23:11 |
| tjaalton | a sec | 23:11 |
| tjaalton | done | 23:13 |
| tormod | thanks | 23:13 |
| tormod | apropos http://daniel.holba.ch/p300/ I guess it counts bugs that are open in a non-Ubuntu task. | 23:15 |
| tormod | there are not so many open in Ubuntu | 23:15 |
| tormod | but that queue is slow! I always have to wait ages to get something sponsored. | 23:16 |
| tormod | and that's usually after bugging people on IRC | 23:17 |
| * tormod should ask daniel holbach about that | 23:17 | |
| ubotu | New bug: #164996 in xorg (main) "gnome desktop icons does not respond to mouse clicks " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164996 | 23:41 |
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