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ubotuNew bug: #102633 in xorg (main) "gnome / xserver doesn't start from live cd" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/10263300:17
ubotuNew bug: #105758 in xorg (main) "nVidia chipset install must use alternate disk" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/10575800:21
ubotuNew bug: #174042 in xorg (main) "Xorg does not properly detect and configure second monitor in Hardy Alpha 1 (Nvidia)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/17404200:21
tjaaltonwow, the post by david on debian-x is good stuff06:31
tjaaltonxresprobe going away \o/06:32
ubotuNew bug: #174120 in xserver-xorg-driver-nv (main) "No screen display with hardy/gutsy displays from gdm onwards" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/17412010:45
ubotuNew bug: #165240 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22 (restricted) "mouse clicks fail after monitor powered off and back on" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/16524011:01
ubotuNew bug: #164506 in compiz (main) "Memory usage = 100% with Visual Effects in Gutsy (dup-of: 151168)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/16450615:16
mvotjaalton, bryce: do you mind if I upload http://paste.ubuntu.com/2484/ ? it should fix the transition -driver-all to -video-all for dapper->hardy upgrades (currently people end up without -video-all)16:04
ubotuNew bug: #174171 in xserver-xorg-video-intel (main) "[hardy] xorg crash with "gdm_slave_xioerror_handler: Fatal X error - Restarting :0"" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/17417116:11
ubotuNew bug: #160658 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22 (restricted) "Using fglrx my computer is brought to a full stop if I log into an account, switch to an other and log out" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/16065818:09
tjaaltonmvo: could it depend on -video-all?18:10
tjaaltonmaybe not, since -video-all replaces -driver-all18:11
tjaaltonmvo: do you have a bug #?18:26
tjaaltonit's strange that people would be left without -video-all, if they have xserver-xorg installed18:36
ubotuNew bug: #160871 in xorg (main) "Screen resolution issues in Gutsy" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/16087118:52
ubotuNew bug: #163222 in xorg (main) "windows have lines to the right" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/16322218:54
tjaaltonbryce: currently the hardy live-session does not create an xorg.conf, because livecd-rootfs cleans the stub which is created on postinst19:07
tjaaltonsorry, preinst19:07
tjaaltonso when postinst is run it refuses to create xorg.conf19:08
brycehrm19:10
tjaaltonI haven't looked further how to fix that19:10
* tjaalton continues looking at xkeyboard-config bugs19:15
tjaaltontoo bad that xkb-data is not in git.fd.o19:16
mvotjaalton: sorry, I don't have a bugnumber yet, but I can create a bugreport for you if you wantone19:53
tjaaltonmvo: ok, so it's your upgrade tests that had this issue?19:54
tjaaltonmaybe a bug is not needed19:54
mvotjaalton: yes, but I'm pretty sure that its universal19:54
mvo(i.e. not specific to my test environment)19:54
tjaaltonbut wouldn't -video-all replace the old -driver-all?19:55
tjaaltonyou did have -d-a installed in dapper?19:55
ubotuNew bug: #5740 in xkeyboard-config (main) "Problems with Apple keyboard" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/574019:55
mvotjaalton: the resolver does not cope properly, the system ends up with a single xserver-xorg-video-amd instead of -video-all. I did have driver-all installed on dapper20:00
mvoits a stock install without any changes basicly20:00
tjaaltonthat's odd20:00
ubotuNew bug: #174214 in xorg (main) "[Hardy] xserver-xorg can't generate configuration file" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/17421420:00
tjaaltonmaybe something else triggers that20:01
tjaaltonif we added that metapackage, wouldn't we have the same problem with hardy+1?20:02
tjaaltonhmm, Glühwein, bbl ->20:03
mvoI don't have the resolver logs at hand currently, but what happens is that -video-all gets selected first for install, but because of all the conflicts it generates with the -driver-$foo it gets removed again20:03
mvohaha - glühwein :)20:03
mvoxserver-xorg does not depend on -video-all, but on -video-1.0 | -video-all and so the user ends up with a single video driver that is enough to satisfy the depends20:04
mvotjaalton: I think for hardy->hardy+1 we are fine, because all the -driver-$foo conflicts with -video-$foo conflicts go away and its just a single transional package that is left20:05
mvoI could hint this in the update-manager code and special case it, but I would prefer to solve it with dependencies so that people who are crazy^Wbrave enough to perform a apt-get dist-upgrade get the expected result too20:05
brycemy crazy cat20:11
brycehttp://bryceharrington.org/Photos/Cats/i_cans_clean_gutters.jpg20:11
brycethat's the neighbor's roof that I see out my office window.  They were having their gutters cleaned20:11
mvoheh :)20:13
* mvo likes cats20:13
bryceI regret teaching her how to climb ladders20:14
bryceit'd be ok, but it's harder for cats to go down ladders than to go up20:15
ubotuNew bug: #89497 in xorg (main) "Language is faulty in the console" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/8949720:20
ubotuNew bug: #107399 in xserver-xorg-video-intel (main) "Laptop screen turns on with lid closed when mouse is moved in feisty" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/10739920:57
mvobryce: do you have a opinion on my proposed change? http://paste.ubuntu.com/2484/21:01
brycemvo, as long as it gets adequate testing, it looks good to me21:03
tormodhi, ati 6.7.196-2 is in experimental. do we have to file a sync request to get it into Hardy then?21:12
bryceI don't think experimental gets sync'd from automatically, so yeah21:16
tormodok filed bug #174235, please confirm (subscribe archive managers)21:54
ubotuLaunchpad bug 174235 in xserver-xorg-video-ati "please sync xserver-xorg-video-ati 1:6.7.196-2 from Debian experimental" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/17423521:54
ubotuNew bug: #174235 in xserver-xorg-video-ati (main) "please sync xserver-xorg-video-ati 1:6.7.196-2 from Debian experimental" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/17423522:01
tjaaltonmvo: ok, I see the point22:02
tjaaltonmvo: committed to my tree22:08
mvotjaalton: thanks! when do you plan the next upload?22:09
tjaaltonmvo: dunno.. maybe we'll get to drop xresprobe later this week, so perhaps then?22:11
tjaaltonbut it's not that hard to do a release in the meantime22:11
mvotjaalton: thanks! it would be cool to have a upload before the weekend, but I'm happy to help you if you want me to22:12
tjaaltonmvo: ok, I'll see what I can do (tomorrow is a day off anyway, so I should have time)22:13
tjaaltonthere's the "no xorg.conf" bug that should be fixed too22:13
mvothanks!22:14
mvoI'm off to bed now too :)22:14
tjaaltonnp:)22:14
* mvo waves22:15
tjaaltonbryce: do you know if we are supposed to get janitor mails for bugs that were autoclosed?22:35
bryceyes we should22:35
brycein fact afaik the autoclosed ones were re-opened subsequently22:35
tjaaltonok22:36
bryceotoh, while I saw the decrease in the stats from the autocloses, I never saw a corresponding jump from reopens22:36
tjaaltonbtw, I can't find the link to those stats from the wiki22:36
tjaaltonX wiki that is22:36
tjaaltonI have 15112 mails on my lp-x mailbox (since May 2nd), and that's without the restricted crap :)22:38
tjaaltonneed to clean it up22:38
bryceheh22:43
brycethe links can be found via the Bug team's page, but I'll add the appropriate links to the X page22:44
tjaaltongreat, thanks22:45
tjaalton6111 of those mails matched sourcepackage=xorg22:46
brycebtw, I set up PPA for ubuntu-x-swat yesterday22:46
tjaaltonoh, cool22:46
brycelinks are posted https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X22:47
tjaaltonyep, just as I thought, there were some xorg bugs autoclosed yesterday22:51
tjaaltonnice22:51
brycehuh22:51
tjaaltonor someone was quick :)22:52
tormodhmm is it possible to join x-swat without getting all that bug mail? :)22:53
bryceI've added some additional links from brian to the X page - reports on bugs with max comments, max subscribers, etc.22:53
brycetormod: unfortunately no22:54
tjaaltontormod: I'm afraid not :/ Can't you filter them in any way?22:54
brycetormod: best approach is to filter them to /dev/null22:54
brycebrian did these reports after I mentioned that it seemed like the easiest bugs to fix were ones that had lots of eyeballs on them already, as they'd often already figured out a solution, it just needed cleaned up and packaged22:55
tormodseems like nobody really wants these mails? or can cope with the amount?22:55
tjaaltonI do, but I also read just those that I find useful :)22:55
tormodwell I'll think about opening a new mail account only for bug mail, and filter etc.22:56
tjaaltongmail can handle the load ;)22:56
tormodtjaalton: so you gonna find those useful ones among the 15112?22:56
tjaaltondon't know about how it filters them22:56
tjaaltontormod: I'll just delete the oldest ones at some point22:57
tormodyou might as well just work through launchpad :)22:57
tjaaltonlike, older than three monts22:57
tjaalton+h22:57
tjaaltonthat's what I do, I never reply to these by mail :)22:57
brycetjaalton: there's a page pitti did on wiki with some bug filtering tips22:57
brycehe segregates based on if he is a direct subscriber, team member, etc.22:57
tormodI meant, go through all reports on LP one by one, instead of the mails.22:58
tjaaltonI have a folder which only gets the bugs that I've reported, but should do the same for those that I'm assigned to22:58
bryceactually I've found the mails to be quite useful22:58
bryceI've configured mutt's colors to highlight certain state changes and people, so while looking in threaded view I can quickly see replies to bugs I've asked questions on 22:59
tormodnice, I guess I can make gmail to do something useful with its "labels"22:59
tjaaltonheaders have all the information you could need23:00
tjaaltonX-Launchpad-Bug: ...23:00
tjaaltonetc23:00
bryceyup23:01
brycewhile I'm looking through my chart links, here's another interesting one, although not X-related:  http://daniel.holba.ch/p300/23:01
tjaaltondamn, thunderbird doesn't know how to sort by the Subject _and_ show them in a thread23:01
tormodI just need to open another mail account first. Since for now, I sync my personal gmail with POP from time to time, and then I don't want to d/l all the bug mail.23:02
bryceah true23:02
tormodI noticed xorg has 200 New bugs...23:02
tjaaltontormod: it supports IMAP now23:02
tormodyes I saw that. But if I just want to have a local copy of all mail, pop is almost as good.23:03
tjaaltonwe should probably decide a set of tags to use for xorg etc23:04
tormodtjaalton: good idea23:04
tjaaltonsince xorg tends to be the package that gets all the bugs that seem to be X related23:04
tormodI guess we should try to push more bugs over to xorg-server, I for one haven't been good at that. And leave xorg for untriaged/unknown package?23:07
tjaaltonwell, it has all the stuff that xserver-xorg configuration fails to do right23:08
tjaaltonof course many of the >400 bugs are in fact xorg-server or driver bugs, so those need to be cleaned out from there23:09
tormodonly? should it maybe also have the stuff that goes wrong in the server (which is not driver-specific)?23:09
tormodxserver-xorg I mean by "it"23:10
tjaaltonit should have all the stuff that doesn't have a better home :)23:10
tjaaltonstuff=bugs23:10
tormodyes :)23:11
tjaaltonso for instance, crashers should be elsewhere23:11
tormoddid anyone feel like blessing the ati sync?23:11
tjaaltona sec23:11
tjaaltondone23:13
tormodthanks23:13
tormodapropos http://daniel.holba.ch/p300/ I guess it counts bugs that are open in a non-Ubuntu task.23:15
tormodthere are not so many open in Ubuntu23:15
tormodbut that queue is slow! I always have to wait ages to get something sponsored.23:16
tormodand that's usually after bugging people on IRC23:17
* tormod should ask daniel holbach about that23:17
ubotuNew bug: #164996 in xorg (main) "gnome desktop icons does not respond to mouse clicks " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/16499623:41

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