[00:17] New bug: #102633 in xorg (main) "gnome / xserver doesn't start from live cd" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/102633 [00:21] New bug: #105758 in xorg (main) "nVidia chipset install must use alternate disk" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/105758 [00:21] New bug: #174042 in xorg (main) "Xorg does not properly detect and configure second monitor in Hardy Alpha 1 (Nvidia)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174042 [06:31] wow, the post by david on debian-x is good stuff [06:32] xresprobe going away \o/ [10:45] New bug: #174120 in xserver-xorg-driver-nv (main) "No screen display with hardy/gutsy displays from gdm onwards" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174120 [11:01] New bug: #165240 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22 (restricted) "mouse clicks fail after monitor powered off and back on" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/165240 [15:16] New bug: #164506 in compiz (main) "Memory usage = 100% with Visual Effects in Gutsy (dup-of: 151168)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164506 [16:04] tjaalton, bryce: do you mind if I upload http://paste.ubuntu.com/2484/ ? it should fix the transition -driver-all to -video-all for dapper->hardy upgrades (currently people end up without -video-all) [16:11] New bug: #174171 in xserver-xorg-video-intel (main) "[hardy] xorg crash with "gdm_slave_xioerror_handler: Fatal X error - Restarting :0"" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174171 [18:09] New bug: #160658 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22 (restricted) "Using fglrx my computer is brought to a full stop if I log into an account, switch to an other and log out" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/160658 [18:10] mvo: could it depend on -video-all? [18:11] maybe not, since -video-all replaces -driver-all [18:26] mvo: do you have a bug #? [18:36] it's strange that people would be left without -video-all, if they have xserver-xorg installed [18:52] New bug: #160871 in xorg (main) "Screen resolution issues in Gutsy" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/160871 [18:54] New bug: #163222 in xorg (main) "windows have lines to the right" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163222 [19:07] bryce: currently the hardy live-session does not create an xorg.conf, because livecd-rootfs cleans the stub which is created on postinst [19:07] sorry, preinst [19:08] so when postinst is run it refuses to create xorg.conf [19:10] hrm [19:10] I haven't looked further how to fix that [19:15] * tjaalton continues looking at xkeyboard-config bugs [19:16] too bad that xkb-data is not in git.fd.o [19:53] tjaalton: sorry, I don't have a bugnumber yet, but I can create a bugreport for you if you wantone [19:54] mvo: ok, so it's your upgrade tests that had this issue? [19:54] maybe a bug is not needed [19:54] tjaalton: yes, but I'm pretty sure that its universal [19:54] (i.e. not specific to my test environment) [19:55] but wouldn't -video-all replace the old -driver-all? [19:55] you did have -d-a installed in dapper? [19:55] New bug: #5740 in xkeyboard-config (main) "Problems with Apple keyboard" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/5740 [20:00] tjaalton: the resolver does not cope properly, the system ends up with a single xserver-xorg-video-amd instead of -video-all. I did have driver-all installed on dapper [20:00] its a stock install without any changes basicly [20:00] that's odd [20:00] New bug: #174214 in xorg (main) "[Hardy] xserver-xorg can't generate configuration file" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174214 [20:01] maybe something else triggers that [20:02] if we added that metapackage, wouldn't we have the same problem with hardy+1? [20:03] hmm, Glühwein, bbl -> [20:03] I don't have the resolver logs at hand currently, but what happens is that -video-all gets selected first for install, but because of all the conflicts it generates with the -driver-$foo it gets removed again [20:03] haha - glühwein :) [20:04] xserver-xorg does not depend on -video-all, but on -video-1.0 | -video-all and so the user ends up with a single video driver that is enough to satisfy the depends [20:05] tjaalton: I think for hardy->hardy+1 we are fine, because all the -driver-$foo conflicts with -video-$foo conflicts go away and its just a single transional package that is left [20:05] I could hint this in the update-manager code and special case it, but I would prefer to solve it with dependencies so that people who are crazy^Wbrave enough to perform a apt-get dist-upgrade get the expected result too [20:11] my crazy cat [20:11] http://bryceharrington.org/Photos/Cats/i_cans_clean_gutters.jpg [20:11] that's the neighbor's roof that I see out my office window. They were having their gutters cleaned [20:13] heh :) [20:13] * mvo likes cats [20:14] I regret teaching her how to climb ladders [20:15] it'd be ok, but it's harder for cats to go down ladders than to go up [20:20] New bug: #89497 in xorg (main) "Language is faulty in the console" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/89497 [20:57] New bug: #107399 in xserver-xorg-video-intel (main) "Laptop screen turns on with lid closed when mouse is moved in feisty" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/107399 [21:01] bryce: do you have a opinion on my proposed change? http://paste.ubuntu.com/2484/ [21:03] mvo, as long as it gets adequate testing, it looks good to me [21:12] hi, ati 6.7.196-2 is in experimental. do we have to file a sync request to get it into Hardy then? [21:16] I don't think experimental gets sync'd from automatically, so yeah [21:54] ok filed bug #174235, please confirm (subscribe archive managers) [21:54] Launchpad bug 174235 in xserver-xorg-video-ati "please sync xserver-xorg-video-ati 1:6.7.196-2 from Debian experimental" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174235 [22:01] New bug: #174235 in xserver-xorg-video-ati (main) "please sync xserver-xorg-video-ati 1:6.7.196-2 from Debian experimental" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174235 [22:02] mvo: ok, I see the point [22:08] mvo: committed to my tree [22:09] tjaalton: thanks! when do you plan the next upload? [22:11] mvo: dunno.. maybe we'll get to drop xresprobe later this week, so perhaps then? [22:11] but it's not that hard to do a release in the meantime [22:12] tjaalton: thanks! it would be cool to have a upload before the weekend, but I'm happy to help you if you want me to [22:13] mvo: ok, I'll see what I can do (tomorrow is a day off anyway, so I should have time) [22:13] there's the "no xorg.conf" bug that should be fixed too [22:14] thanks! [22:14] I'm off to bed now too :) [22:14] np:) [22:15] * mvo waves [22:35] bryce: do you know if we are supposed to get janitor mails for bugs that were autoclosed? [22:35] yes we should [22:35] in fact afaik the autoclosed ones were re-opened subsequently [22:36] ok [22:36] otoh, while I saw the decrease in the stats from the autocloses, I never saw a corresponding jump from reopens [22:36] btw, I can't find the link to those stats from the wiki [22:36] X wiki that is [22:38] I have 15112 mails on my lp-x mailbox (since May 2nd), and that's without the restricted crap :) [22:38] need to clean it up [22:43] heh [22:44] the links can be found via the Bug team's page, but I'll add the appropriate links to the X page [22:45] great, thanks [22:46] 6111 of those mails matched sourcepackage=xorg [22:46] btw, I set up PPA for ubuntu-x-swat yesterday [22:46] oh, cool [22:47] links are posted https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X [22:51] yep, just as I thought, there were some xorg bugs autoclosed yesterday [22:51] nice [22:51] huh [22:52] or someone was quick :) [22:53] hmm is it possible to join x-swat without getting all that bug mail? :) [22:53] I've added some additional links from brian to the X page - reports on bugs with max comments, max subscribers, etc. [22:54] tormod: unfortunately no [22:54] tormod: I'm afraid not :/ Can't you filter them in any way? [22:54] tormod: best approach is to filter them to /dev/null [22:55] brian did these reports after I mentioned that it seemed like the easiest bugs to fix were ones that had lots of eyeballs on them already, as they'd often already figured out a solution, it just needed cleaned up and packaged [22:55] seems like nobody really wants these mails? or can cope with the amount? [22:55] I do, but I also read just those that I find useful :) [22:56] well I'll think about opening a new mail account only for bug mail, and filter etc. [22:56] gmail can handle the load ;) [22:56] tjaalton: so you gonna find those useful ones among the 15112? [22:56] don't know about how it filters them [22:57] tormod: I'll just delete the oldest ones at some point [22:57] you might as well just work through launchpad :) [22:57] like, older than three monts [22:57] +h [22:57] that's what I do, I never reply to these by mail :) [22:57] tjaalton: there's a page pitti did on wiki with some bug filtering tips [22:57] he segregates based on if he is a direct subscriber, team member, etc. [22:58] I meant, go through all reports on LP one by one, instead of the mails. [22:58] I have a folder which only gets the bugs that I've reported, but should do the same for those that I'm assigned to [22:58] actually I've found the mails to be quite useful [22:59] I've configured mutt's colors to highlight certain state changes and people, so while looking in threaded view I can quickly see replies to bugs I've asked questions on [22:59] nice, I guess I can make gmail to do something useful with its "labels" [23:00] headers have all the information you could need [23:00] X-Launchpad-Bug: ... [23:00] etc [23:01] yup [23:01] while I'm looking through my chart links, here's another interesting one, although not X-related: http://daniel.holba.ch/p300/ [23:01] damn, thunderbird doesn't know how to sort by the Subject _and_ show them in a thread [23:02] I just need to open another mail account first. Since for now, I sync my personal gmail with POP from time to time, and then I don't want to d/l all the bug mail. [23:02] ah true [23:02] I noticed xorg has 200 New bugs... [23:02] tormod: it supports IMAP now [23:03] yes I saw that. But if I just want to have a local copy of all mail, pop is almost as good. [23:04] we should probably decide a set of tags to use for xorg etc [23:04] tjaalton: good idea [23:04] since xorg tends to be the package that gets all the bugs that seem to be X related [23:07] I guess we should try to push more bugs over to xorg-server, I for one haven't been good at that. And leave xorg for untriaged/unknown package? [23:08] well, it has all the stuff that xserver-xorg configuration fails to do right [23:09] of course many of the >400 bugs are in fact xorg-server or driver bugs, so those need to be cleaned out from there [23:09] only? should it maybe also have the stuff that goes wrong in the server (which is not driver-specific)? [23:10] xserver-xorg I mean by "it" [23:10] it should have all the stuff that doesn't have a better home :) [23:10] stuff=bugs [23:11] yes :) [23:11] so for instance, crashers should be elsewhere [23:11] did anyone feel like blessing the ati sync? [23:11] a sec [23:13] done [23:13] thanks [23:15] apropos http://daniel.holba.ch/p300/ I guess it counts bugs that are open in a non-Ubuntu task. [23:15] there are not so many open in Ubuntu [23:16] but that queue is slow! I always have to wait ages to get something sponsored. [23:17] and that's usually after bugging people on IRC [23:17] * tormod should ask daniel holbach about that [23:41] New bug: #164996 in xorg (main) "gnome desktop icons does not respond to mouse clicks " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164996