[00:00] <evil_tech> i think it is missing something but i dont know what
[00:07] <gerro> I think I've found a bug in xubuntu login
[00:08] <gerro> if you go applications > settings > login window > local then change themed with face browser to Happy GNOME with Browser if you logout you get a blank screen and nothing responds however it works on boot
[00:40] <thruxton> evil_tech: why the iso extension?
[00:43] <evil_tech> so i can burn it to disc later
[00:43] <evil_tech> not really neccessary suppose
[00:44] <zoredache> evil_tech: no.. that is wrong. (of=/dev/sda1) /dev/sda1 is a device node not a mount point... you can't have a /filename after it
[00:45] <zoredache> you would need to mount the mount the thumbdrive somewhere and then use dd to copy to a file within that path.
[00:45] <evil_tech> so if i was to mount it in /media/thumbdrive then it would work
[00:46] <zoredache> keep in mind that dd will also copy empty space... so your thumdrive must be bigger then the partion you are backing up
[00:48] <evil_tech> yeah 4gig thumb drive and a 2gig hard drive
[00:54] <zoredache> why aren't you making a backup with tar or something?
[00:55] <evil_tech> drive has an OS
[00:56] <zoredache> sorry?
[00:56] <gerro> alright turns out flgxr umm whatever the ati proprietary driver is called has a bug where xorg restart doesn't work.. like ctrl alt backspace or log out feature. Anyone know of a work around?
[00:56] <zoredache> the thumbdrive or the hard drive?  I don't see why that prevents you from using tar by the way
[00:56] <gerro> evil_tech: hey sup man haven't seen you around lately
[00:57] <evil_tech> you get all your issues resolved except for the one above
[00:57] <evil_tech> zordache: i dont know how to tar an entire drives contents and keep directory structure
[01:00] <gerro> does xubuntu still have those weird power issues with wireless usb devices using ndiswrapper?
[01:01] <gerro> don't know if 7.10 changed that and trying to setup wireless
[01:03] <evil_tech> dunno wasnt aware that was even an issue
[01:05] <zoredache> evil_tech: tar gets subdirectories by default usually.  if you hard drive was mounted as / I would do something like tar --one-file-system -czf /media/thumb/computername_hda1.tar.gz /
[01:06] <evil_tech> ok ill give that a try
[01:06] <NathanExplosion> why would ndisrapper say that a driver .inf file is invald?
[01:08] <evil_tech> using the wrong one perhaps?
[01:08] <gerro> evil_tech: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=2296818
[01:08] <gerro> NathanExplosion: perhaps the inf doesn't match the .sys or the device
[01:08] <gerro> what is it your trying to get going anyway?
[01:09] <NathanExplosion> nvermind i'm stupid i didn't have the .cat files with the .inf file
[01:10] <evil_tech> a customer brought in an old 486 that was running DOS and a voicemail system. they are trying to migrate it over to another system and find some way to back it up
[01:11] <NathanExplosion> it's some intel laptop and i'm trying to help someone install wifi driver
[01:11] <evil_tech> intel laptop?
[01:11] <NathanExplosion> laptop with intel cpu*
[01:11] <evil_tech> ah
[01:11] <NathanExplosion> i'm not sure what brand it is.
[01:14] <gerro> hmm don't know if they really need the .cat files
[01:38] <gerro> NathanExplosion: hmm lshw, lspci, lsusb find its listing somewhere you can use its mac address to find out which company made it and what model it is
[01:39] <evil_tech> you just need the first 6 digits
[01:42] <zoredache> evil_tech: how is that 486 connected to the phone system?  Are you sure the interface will even be supported on recent equipment?
[01:43] <evil_tech> standard modem
[01:44] <evil_tech> 36k modem in an isa slot
[01:44] <evil_tech> by recent system i was meaning a p3 700mhz with 128mb and a 4gig hard drive
[01:45] <zoredache> I see
[01:46] <gerro> usb power settings are fixed in 7.10!! damn I <3 gutsy :D
[01:46] <zoredache> well simply copying files will not work.  You will need to either build a DOS boot disk to format and reinstall the system files, or you will need to install something like freedos
[01:47] <evil_tech> i know. i have plenty of DOS boot disks
[01:48] <evil_tech> but i shouldnt need them if i keep the directory structure and copy it over. the three file dos needs will be there
[01:48] <evil_tech> its only a temporary fix for a month or two until they find a suitable replacement system
[01:49] <zoredache> yes, but they won't be in the correct location on the filesystem, and the mbr will not be created
[01:49] <evil_tech> well worse case i can reinstall DOS.
[01:49] <evil_tech> i have the discs
[01:49] <evil_tech> :)
[01:50] <evil_tech> good old DOS 6.22
[02:40] <echosystm> whats the difference between add/remove and synaptic? :/
[02:52] <somerville32> echosystm, just different front-ends
[02:57] <echosystm> now, next question!
[02:57] <echosystm> can totem support all the formats vlc can, but without compiling stuff?
[02:57] <echosystm> i did the medibuntu stuff
[02:57] <echosystm> but it seems avi is still not supported
[03:04] <somerville32> I'm not sure
[03:04] <somerville32> You'll have to refer to the wiki :)
[03:05] <echosystm> alrighty
[03:43] <T65> Does ndiswrapper come with Xubuntu?
[03:52] <echosystm> how do i get compiz-fusion running?
[03:52] <echosystm> anyone?
[03:52] <cheeseboy> T65, no
[03:53] <T65> cheeseboy, i'm trying to get a wireless usb network adapter running, is there anything I could use to get drivers instlaled for it? It is a Belkin F5d7050
[03:53] <echosystm> what chipset does it use T65?
[03:54] <T65> Not sure, I've seen all the different ones but i don't know where to find what chipset mine uses
[03:54] <cheeseboy> T65, i had that acually
[03:55] <cheeseboy> ended up smashing it
[03:55] <T65> cheeseboy, I'm about to, save for money purposes
[03:55] <echosystm> T65: http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&q=Belkin+F5d7050+chipset&btnG=Google+Search&meta=
[03:56] <echosystm> it's not that hard to type the model and then "chipset" :P
[03:56] <cheeseboy> echosystm, #compiz-fusion
[03:56] <echosystm> it uses an RT2500 chipset
[03:57] <echosystm> and here is a thread talking about it
[03:57] <echosystm> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=252465
[03:58] <T65> I've seen a lot of people saying they have z1211a or b chipset also
[03:59] <T65> I'm still new to this (by about a week), do I need to get the tar file for ndiswrapper and install it on my Linux PC?
[04:00] <echosystm> if youre new to this, i would suggest not using ubuntu to be honest
[04:00] <cheeseboy> T65 sudo apt-get ndiswrapper-utils
[04:00] <echosystm> try pclinuxos and save yourself a lot of headaches
[04:00] <T65> echosystm, that was my 2nd choice acutally
[04:00] <T65> cheeseboy, will that command only work on an internet connected computer? I'm on a different one right now
[04:01] <T65> Ive tried sudo apt-get ndiswrapper and it said it couldn't be found
[04:01] <cheeseboy> TG5 then download the debs
[04:01] <cheeseboy> 6*
[04:02] <cheeseboy> http://packages.ubuntu.com/feisty/misc/ndiswrapper-utils-1.9
[04:02] <cheeseboy> http://packages.ubuntu.com/feisty/misc/ndiswrapper-common
[04:02] <T65> then just extract it and install it?
[04:02] <cheeseboy> sudo dpkg -i file.deb
[04:03] <T65> type that after i extract it?
[04:05] <cheeseboy> no extracting
[04:05] <cheeseboy> you should download 2 .deb files
[04:07] <T65> OK, they're downloaded, gotta put them on a usb and move em to the other computer
[04:07] <T65> does it matter where i save them to?
[04:08] <cheeseboy> no
[04:08] <T65> ok, sorry if these are dumb questions I'm new to all of this
[04:08] <T65> ...but I do like xubuntu better than windows me
[04:11] <cheeseboy> better than any windows
[04:13] <T65> XP ain't so bad...but ME pretty much killed itself, i turned it on one day and it wouldn't boot, told me some registry files were missing
[04:13] <emilami> any word yet on when that update to flashplugin-nonfree will be added to the repositories?
[04:14] <cheeseboy> emilami, just download from adobe
[04:15] <slimjimflim> hi. anyone know of a command to display the default resolution?
[04:15] <emilami> yeah, that's what i was thinking about doing.  i don't think they've added a flash update to the repositories in ages
[04:15] <slimjimflim> i can see that it's on default from the display settings, but i don't know what the number is
[04:15] <slimjimflim> *numbers are
[04:16] <cheeseboy> emilami, i just did it install took literally 3 seconds
[04:16] <slimjimflim> nm
[04:17] <emilami> yeah, i almost did the download from adobe about 14-16 hours ago but someone in here talked me into waiting
[04:17] <emilami> and i wanted to make sure that it wasn't going to be added shortly before i installed it from adobe
[04:49] <gerro> hmm doing some stuff and was wondering how I can make video file of what I'm doing on computer. I heard of xvidcap and gvidcap but those aren't in repository perhaps there is a newer way to do things?
[05:47] <haji> hi , how do i untar tar.bz2?
[06:16] <annihilus> can someone explain how to lock th screen in xubunut, in ubuntu i have the option to lock the screen in the log out/restart/shutdown menu
[12:09] <xubuN> hello is there a volonteer to help a newbe (10 days linux)
[12:21] <Pumpernickel> !ask
[12:21] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[13:09] <xubuN> i have only been able to live CD xub so far, I tried HD , (bad HD) so usb now, 2GB should be ok?
[13:31] <Odd-rationale> When I click on the XFCE menu button on the top panel, the menu does not show up. How to fix?
[13:35] <Odd-rationale> Hey, I got it to work.
[15:10] <martin__> hello, i'm having problems with nicotine - i installed in from synaptic and when i turn in on the windows appears but remains blank inside
[15:18] <martin__> can you advise me any p2p sharing program? especially for mp3
[15:18] <vinze> martin__, only for legal purpose I presume? If so, I use gtk-gnutella - not really user-friendly, but does a good job
[15:20] <martin__> i would love something easy - i used nicotine previously,but it seems not to work on xubuntu:(
[15:20] <vinze> martin__, Amule looked quite easy but I'm not sure whether I could get it to connect
[15:20] <vinze> martin__, but gtk-gnutella is easy, just a bit cluttered
[15:20] <martin__> aha, ok:D i'll give it a try;)
[15:27] <martin__> hehe, so far i got it working and that's a success for me:D
[15:43] <manchicken> So I'm seeing a lot of folks with that little mac-bar lookin' thing on their screenshots.  Do you all know what program that is?
[15:44] <vinze> manchicken, there are several
[15:44] <TheSheep> manchicken: awn probably
[15:44] <vinze> manchicken, I've used Avant Window Navigator
[15:44] <manchicken> Is that an xfce add-on or a gtk app independent of DE?
[15:45] <vinze> manchicken, independent
[15:45] <manchicken> Is it in the repos?
[15:45] <vinze> Yes
[15:45] <vinze> There's also a third-party repo that includes more plugins
[15:45] <vinze> manchicken, but you do need compositing
[15:45] <manchicken> I've got that.
[15:46] <vinze> K, then you should have no problem
[15:46] <manchicken> I've moved to xubuntu because I like to use terminal transparency to avoid Alt-Tabbing while working, and compiz keeps blowing up on this nvidia.
[15:47] <manchicken> On my System76 laptop with the Intel x3100 it's not a problem, but compiz just doesn't seem to be able to play nice with this nvidia.  Xfwm4, on the other hand, operates as smooth as butter.
[15:48] <martin__> vinze, i tried downloading a file,and after it has reached 100% it remained in the list 'seeding SHA1 OK' - clear finished didn't remove it but purge selected did - what does it mean?
[15:49] <manchicken> I take it that there's nothing I can do to get thunar to use gnome-vfs functionality with ssh, is ther?
[15:52] <TheSheep> manchicken: you can use fuse sshfs instead
[15:52] <manchicken> Yeah, but I don't want to have to configure all of that for all my clients.
[15:53] <manchicken> Is there a GUI ssh file-manager client that you all use other than thunar?  Maybe filezilla or something?
[16:03] <manchicken> Here's another dumb question, is there a way to get tomboy notes onto the panel?
[16:08] <TheSheep> manchicken: a launcher?
[16:09] <manchicken> Well, tomboy notes is a panel plugin for gnome that lets you see your notes--similar to the places menu--and also lets you access them from the panel.
[16:10] <TheSheep> manchicken: ah, you can install an xfce plugin that allows you to use gnome panel plugins
[16:10] <manchicken> Which one is that?  I've been skimming the repos for a little bit and I'm not seeing it.
[16:11] <vinze> manchicken, xfapplet
[16:11] <manchicken> Much thanks.
[16:12] <manchicken> Oh that's beautiful.
[16:13] <manchicken> Much thanks.
[16:13] <vinze> np :)
[16:21] <manchicken> Okay, and I just did the gconf thing to stop the desktop loading for nautilus, and I'll just use nautilus for my SSH stuff.
[16:21] <manchicken> No biggie.
[16:25] <martin__> hey, is there any place where i can configure file associations?
[16:25] <vinze> martin__, you mean like file:///etc/xdg/xubuntu/applications/defaults.list?
[16:26] <vinze> (Just happened to come across that yesterday)
[16:27] <martin__> ooo, good to know, never before i had to change that but it's annoying that all picture formats open either in gimp/firefox/gqview;)
[16:27] <vinze> martin__, you can also edit file associations from the context menu in Thunar
[16:29] <TheSheep> manchicken: you can jsut change them in the file preferences dialog
[16:29] <manchicken> TheSheep: What now?
[16:30] <TheSheep> manchicken: sorry, wrong nick
[16:34] <manchicken> Anybody know how to get firefox to set the wallpaper in xubuntu?
[16:34] <TheSheep> manchicken: I don't think it's easily doable
[16:34] <manchicken> I would think it's just an about:config setting
[16:35] <TheSheep> manchicken: external application messing with your desktop settings?
[16:36] <manchicken> TheSheep: Default xubuntu works with it IIRC.  With other DEs it's usually just a command that it calls on the backend to get that working.
[17:11] <maristo> hello
[17:11] <vinze> Hey maristo
[17:11] <maristo> Is it problem in Xubuntu 7.10 with burning cd-r(w)'s?
[17:11] <vinze> maristo, well, Brasero is included that is supposed to be able to do that, I believe
[17:12] <seisen> Is anybody testing Xubuntu 8.04 in VirtualBox
[17:13] <maristo> brasero don't want ti burn :(
[17:13] <maristo> to*
[17:13] <maristo> Xfburn also
[17:14] <maristo> but under Ubuntu 7.04 it did work
[17:15] <maristo> excuse me, my english is not understandable
[17:15] <maristo> ;)
[17:19] <TheSheep> maristo: what's the error?
[17:20] <maristo> TheSheep: Brasero tells me to insert blank-cd-r
[17:20] <TheSheep> maristo: and when you do?
[17:20] <maristo> but it's free already
[17:20] <maristo> it repeats
[17:21] <TheSheep> maristo: are you sure it's empty?
[17:21] <maristo> it recomends to erase data on cd, i consider, but after deletion of data is speaks "insert free cdr"
[17:21] <maristo> yes I sure
[17:21] <TheSheep> hmm...
[17:21] <maristo> I tried with new CD-RW
[17:22] <maristo> I tried with 3 cd-rw's
[17:22] <maristo> all new
[17:22] <TheSheep> maristo: maybe try installing k3b, it's a kde application, but it never failed me
[17:22] <maristo> hehe
[17:22] <maristo> it can solve problem , i know
[17:23] <maristo> but, i'll need Qt-libs is't inacceptible for me
[17:23] <vinze> maristo, there's also gnomebaker and there was another one I believe
[17:23] <TheSheep> graveman
[17:23] <maristo> is gomebaker installable from repositories?
[17:23] <TheSheep> maristo: yes
[17:23] <vinze> Ah yes, Graveman
[17:23] <maristo> thank you, I'll try...
[17:24] <maristo> reboot
[17:46] <maristo> Gnomebaker also doese'nt work
[17:46] <maristo> :(
[17:46] <maristo> disk ID is too long
[17:47] <TheSheep> maristo: at least you got a meaningful error message
[17:47] <TheSheep> maristo: kind of
[17:48] <maristo> brasero speaks the same
[17:48] <maristo> disk ID is too long
[17:48] <maristo> what it means?
[17:48] <maristo> what's disk ID?
[17:53] <maristo> i think it is not problem of program, but of system
[17:53] <maristo> because both Brasero and gnomebaker tells tha same
[17:53] <maristo> the*
[17:53] <aladdinsane> why do i get green annoying circles following my mouse in Gimp on Xubuntu, which after a while cover the whole image im working on?
[17:54] <aladdinsane> Is it a grephic card issue or a Xubuntu one?
[17:55] <aladdinsane> here's another guy with the same problem: http://www.gimptalk.com/forum/topic/Green-cirle-Issue-25821-1.html
[18:03] <Ben_Cs> hello
[18:03] <Ben_Cs> i changed partition table from windows and now grub has error 22. how can i rewrite grub from livecd?
[18:27] <scrapbunny> hello. i just switched to xubuntu-desktop on my edubuntu 7.10 system running ltsp 5. is there a program/script like gnome-watchdog that works on xfce? I am having issues with phantom programs
[20:20] <christopherhokan> OK, I've got a question: I'm a newbie to Xubuntu. Is there a page with written insturctions on how to install CompizFusion onto Xubuntu, or will the instructions for Ubuntu work?
[20:21] <PeckaH> there isn't much to write
[20:21] <PeckaH> install compiz and there you go
[20:22] <christopherhokan> I didn't know if the instructions were any different on Xubuntu because of Xfce
[20:25] <christopherhokan> thanks
[20:31] <cheeseboy> hi
[20:33] <seisen> hello
[20:36] <cheeseboy> can linux compile something 4 windows??
[20:36] <cheeseboy> like make exe
[20:37] <seisen> not that I know of
[20:38] <Pumpernickel> Short answer: no.
[20:38] <Pumpernickel> Longer answer: maybe, with more work than you're probably expecting to put into it.
[20:48] <cheeseboy> stupid program doesnt work anyway
[20:49] <cheeseboy> :(
[20:58] <Merchelo> hello
[20:59] <Merchelo> is there a GUI for formatting an external USB HD  for xubuntu ?
[21:01] <zoredache> gparted if you install it
[21:17] <Merchelo> thanks, looks like it'll have to be partition magic under windows though, Damn windows :(
[21:54] <Quarterlife> Hi. I need some help. I don't have a specific problem but rather general install planning questions (I want to do things right the first time). If someone can help me, please msg.
[21:54] <seisen> go ahead with your question
[21:56] <Quarterlife> I have this old computer lying around, and I plan to make it into a home server. I will probably botch the OS many times, so I'm planning to do two partitions.
[21:57] <Quarterlife> So how much should I leave to the OS? And, how can I move /home to the other partition?
[21:59] <seisen> this link should help you  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=472200
[21:59] <cheeseboy> Quarterlife, always put home on separate partition
[22:00] <seisen> cheeseboy that is what he is planning on doing
[22:02] <cheeseboy> o thought he was asking if he should
[22:02] <cheeseboy> misread
[22:03] <Quarterlife> I'm planning to have it act as a file server too, so that anyone from my local network can plump files into it. How would that fit into this partition thingy? (continued, wait a bit)
[22:04] <Quarterlife> So will I run into some nasty permission problems if I do that to the same partition where /home will be going?
[22:09] <Quarterlife> Or is it perhaps a bad idea in some other way?
[22:11] <zoredache_> Quarterlife: do your users need to share files?
[22:12] <zoredache> if not, then having them store stuff in /home is pretty standard.  If you want things shared, then you might create a folder in /srv or something
[22:17] <Quarterlife> Ehh. How can I do that if the other partition is mounted as /home? Impossible? 3rd partition? Forget the idea?
[22:21] <zoredache> you could use lvm for your data volumes
[22:21] <zoredache> create one partition for your boot/root stuff, and one lvm volume for /home, /srv, swap, /var/, , etc
[22:22] <zoredache> lvm is even nice enough to allow you to expand a partition while it is in-use
[22:22] <zoredache> so you can start with smaller logical volumes, and leave space, then expand the volumes as needed
[22:23] <Quarterlife> Sounds good
[22:25] <Quarterlife> Now... How is it done?
[22:27] <zoredache> that is where it gets tricky...
[22:28] <zoredache> if you are using the alternate installer, you can setup an lvm partition... I don't think you can on the livecd though
[22:30] <Quarterlife> That is no problem, I can get it.
[22:30] <BB83> If I understand correctly, using xfce should be quicker but only if you use xfce integrated apps instead of g/k/... apps ?
[22:30] <Quarterlife> But then this thing is going to take some time.
[22:31] <zoredache> BB83: that is somewhat, but not entirely true.
[22:32] <BB83> I mean that if I use xfce but still launch all my habitual kapps it wont be very useful ?
[22:32] <zoredache> it really depends on what other applications you use.  But XFCE has a lot less running in the background by default
[22:33] <zoredache> it could be somewhat useful.  For example xubuntu doesn't automatically come with a network browser which means it won't be constantly scanning the network
[22:34] <zoredache> there are other things like that.  Services that run in the background that may be somewhat useful, but do consume memory and cpu time
[22:34] <zoredache> but xfce won't make your kapps run any faster, other then you might have more ram/cpu available
[22:35] <BB83> ok
[22:35] <BB83> I think I see
[22:40] <manchicken> Is there a way to keep a window from switching desktops when it tries to take focus and I'm not looking at its desktop?
[22:41] <manchicken> e.g., I have firefox on desktop 1, and I have evolution on desktop 2.  I click a URL in evolution and Firefox tries to take focus.  Currently it actually moves firefox to desktop 2 and off of desktop 1.  I'd like firefox to remain on desktop 1.
[22:48] <evil_tech> you could try activating focus stealing prevention
[22:49] <evil_tech> it is in window manager tweaks
[22:49] <evil_tech> you could also try having no default application for web links