| rouzic | hi all :) | 01:10 |
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| nosrednaekim | hi rouzic | 01:23 |
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| rouzic | Hi nosrednaekim :) | 01:25 |
| DaSkreech | Jucato: Hiya | 03:23 |
| DaSkreech | LongPointyStick: hello | 03:23 |
| DaSkreech | Oh sweet | 03:36 |
| DaSkreech | new flash? | 03:37 |
| mustafa_ | hi | 04:30 |
| DaSkreech | um | 04:30 |
| DaSkreech | ok | 04:30 |
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| DaSkreech | hello | 05:36 |
| DaSkreech | hey Jucato What's your blont about? | 05:36 |
| Jucato | nothing much. just triggered by something I read in the Dot, which isn't an entirely new mentality... been around for as long as I've been around :) | 05:37 |
| DaSkreech | So it wasnt a specific project then? | 05:38 |
| Jucato | nope. but it has been about so many projects, even distros... | 05:38 |
| DaSkreech | yeah | 05:39 |
| Hobbsee | hey DaSkreech | 05:39 |
| DaSkreech | Hi Hobbsee | 05:39 |
| DaSkreech | Missed you | 05:39 |
| Jucato | Hobbsee!!! | 05:39 |
| Hobbsee | :) | 05:40 |
| yuriy | Jucato: I was under the impression that it was triggered by the KFTP discussion because both stories showed up around the same time, but I don't know if you can blont that fast | 05:44 |
| Jucato | yuriy: it was :) | 05:44 |
| Jucato | yeah, it's my quickest post created (hence probably not well thought out :P) | 05:45 |
| Jucato | hence a lot shorter than usual :) | 05:45 |
| * yuriy has been working on a project last two nights and checking akregator constantly to procrastinate | 05:45 | |
| yuriy | lol @ aseigo calling gnome a "a low-integration environment" | 05:49 |
| Jucato | :D | 05:49 |
| DaSkreech | Interesting Stone to throw | 05:53 |
| DaSkreech | Hey! Metacity has compositing now :) | 05:53 |
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| Serega | Morning, all! | 08:52 |
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| Riddell | jpatrick: re your e-mail that should be fine but I'm waiting on a reply from sime | 10:46 |
| jpatrick | ok | 10:46 |
| Riddell | stdin: kde4 in hardy should be fixed if you want to retry python-kde4 | 12:04 |
| Serega | k'dday, fellows | 12:32 |
| * Hobbsee waves | 12:32 | |
| Serega | does anybody work on d3lphin's cut/paste problem? | 12:32 |
| Riddell | Serega: mhb was commenting on it yesterday, I think he concluded that it's not worth fixing since no file manager talks copy/paste at each other | 12:33 |
| Riddell | Serega: but he has a bzr branch if you want to have a go at it | 12:34 |
| Serega | Riddell: I would like to have a fix for it, because this is a nice reason to gloat for my windows-using acquaintances :) | 12:37 |
| Riddell | that konqueror doesn't cut/paste with dolphin? | 12:38 |
| Riddell | I presume it works within dolphins | 12:39 |
| Serega | maybe. Cut'n'past doesn't work from Desktop to dolphin in particular | 12:39 |
| Serega | Riddell: what do you think about libdvdcss url? | 12:40 |
| Serega | Riddell: it contains a version that could change | 12:41 |
| Hobbsee | Serega: hm? | 12:41 |
| Hobbsee | Serega: there are (vague) plans to get that libdvdcss script pointed at medibuntu, and grab the latest version from there | 12:41 |
| Hobbsee | so far, it's nto been done yet | 12:41 |
| Riddell | Serega: we could set up a redirect on kubuntu.org | 12:42 |
| Serega | Riddell: oh, great solution. How soon can it be done? (on kubuntu.org side) | 12:43 |
| Riddell | Serega: where should it redirect to? | 12:44 |
| Serega | Riddell: e.g. http://packages.medibuntu.org/pool/free/libd/libdvdcss/libdvdcss2_1.2.9-2medibuntu4_i386.deb | 12:44 |
| Serega | or corresponding amd64 and PPC | 12:44 |
| Serega | it should be something like: www.kubuntu.org/libdvdcss-[i386|amd64|ppc] | 12:45 |
| * Hobbsee has missed something, it appears | 12:46 | |
| Serega | Hobbsee: look at current deb url | 12:46 |
| Serega | Hobbsee: it contains 1.2.9 | 12:46 |
| Hobbsee | i've seen it, but what's that got to do with kubuntu.org? | 12:46 |
| Serega | Hobbsee: it will be inaccessible when 1.2.10 comes | 12:46 |
| Hobbsee | this is true | 12:47 |
| * Hobbsee would assume the script would be changed to check for it | 12:47 | |
| Serega | Hobbsee: Riddell's proposal is to redirect from kubuntu.org to right version of libdvdcss | 12:47 |
| Riddell | Serega: http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/packages/libdvdcss-i386.php | 12:47 |
| Hobbsee | well, the latest | 12:47 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: do you have the source of what you've used to create that page? | 12:48 |
| Serega | Riddell: how quickly) | 12:48 |
| * Hobbsee would prefer to see it modified in install-css.sh, so it works everywhere | 12:48 | |
| Riddell | header('Location: http://...'); | 12:48 |
| Serega | Riddell: another solution is to parse medibuntu repo package list | 12:49 |
| Riddell | yes, could do | 12:49 |
| Riddell | that assumed medibuntu doesn't get shut down by the MPAA | 12:51 |
| Serega | Riddell: ok, I'll estimate the efforts for both solutions in evening | 12:51 |
| Riddell | Serega: well job done on my side if you go for the kubuntu.org way | 12:51 |
| Serega | Riddell: is it really possible during Hardy life? | 12:51 |
| Riddell | Serega: is which? | 12:51 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: well, that's what i was wondering - how safe is it to change? | 12:51 |
| Serega | Riddell: medibuntu closing | 12:51 |
| Riddell | Serega: they're a third party, they can close down at any time | 12:52 |
| Serega | Riddell: thanks for server side | 12:52 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: safe is what? | 12:52 |
| Serega | :-| | 12:52 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: do we then get in trouble with MPAA and such for pointing at the medibuntu stuff? | 12:53 |
| Serega | Hobbsee: +1 | 12:53 |
| jpatrick | Serega: couldn't the thing install libdvdread3 and then invoke: /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/install-css.sh ? | 12:53 |
| Serega | jpatrick: it is not a problem to invoke something on users side. Problem is where to get libdvdcss | 12:54 |
| Serega | jpatrick: in other words: what should be in install-css.sh | 12:55 |
| Hobbsee | jpatrick: that would be the idae, yes | 12:55 |
| Riddell | jpatrick: we want GUI feedback, that's a command line script | 12:55 |
| jpatrick | Serega: the script would do it automagically | 12:55 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: no laws against linking yet | 12:55 |
| Serega | jpatrick: do you mean this script should be third-party? | 12:55 |
| Hobbsee | "yet" | 12:55 |
| Serega | too many can do MPAA during 2 years :( | 12:56 |
| Serega | maybe we should leave libdvdcss at all? | 12:57 |
| Serega | and how ubuntu solves this issue? | 12:58 |
| Riddell | Serega: it doesn't | 12:58 |
| Riddell | it's a nasty problem for non command line users | 12:58 |
| Serega | Riddell: doesn't it install libdvdcss at all? | 12:58 |
| Riddell | no | 12:58 |
| Serega | Riddell: so... how about a checkbox in "Manager repositories"? | 12:59 |
| Serega | Riddell: with a warning e.g. | 12:59 |
| Riddell | Serega: we don't want to point to a whole third party repository, who knows what they put in there | 13:00 |
| Riddell | the kubuntu.org redirect seems best to me | 13:00 |
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| Jucato | I just tested: cut & paste works between Konqueror and Krusader (KDE 3) | 13:20 |
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| nosrednaekim | stdin: hey, are the new python-kde4 packages up? | 14:55 |
| piccolino81 | Wieso passiert hier gar nix? | 15:04 |
| piccolino81 | Bin ich etwa im falschen Kanal gelandet :-( ? | 15:04 |
| Jucato | !de | piccolino81 | 15:04 |
| ubotu | piccolino81: Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de | 15:04 |
| Jucato | (or if someone here can understand/speak German...) | 15:05 |
| piccolino81 | Sorry! I thought to participate in the "Kubuntu Tutorials Day" - it ist my first contact with IRC | 15:06 |
| Jucato | That will be next week :) | 15:06 |
| Jucato | Dec. 13, at 15:00 UTC | 15:07 |
| Hobbsee | tag, piccolino81. wie gehts? | 15:07 |
| piccolino81 | Ups, thanks Jucato :) | 15:07 |
| piccolino81 | Until then... bye :-) | 15:08 |
| piccolino81 | Cu | 15:08 |
| nosrednaekim | bye | 15:08 |
| * Jucato just spent the last um... 30 minutes or more trying to summarize and reply: http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3089235.msg104291#msg104291 | 15:11 | |
| Jucato | :D | 15:11 |
| nosrednaekim | hey.... could we use the KDE4 kdm? | 15:14 |
| nosrednaekim | doesn't if have support for bullet proof X? | 15:14 |
| * Jucato doesn't think so.. to both Q's | 15:14 | |
| nosrednaekim | hmph | 15:16 |
| DaSkreech | What would it take to add it? | 15:19 |
| Jucato | code? :) | 15:19 |
| DaSkreech | up up down down left right left right | 15:20 |
| nixternal | was knotes removed from kontact purposely? | 15:23 |
| * nixternal just got back from the hospital..not fun | 15:23 | |
| Jucato | nixternal: oh? what happened to you? :( | 15:24 |
| nixternal | guess I have an ulcer and it tore a bit last night which caused me to toss up some blood...thought I was dying :) | 15:24 |
| Jucato | ouch :( | 15:24 |
| nixternal | ya, it is the worse stomach ache you could ever imagine | 15:24 |
| nixternal | at first I thought I got food poisoning again | 15:25 |
| nosrednaekim | youch | 15:27 |
| Jucato | they have determined the cause to be what? | 15:28 |
| nosrednaekim | stomach ulcer I think he said | 15:37 |
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| Jucato | oh yeah... I was thinking "what was the cause of the ulcer..." :D | 15:41 |
| nosrednaekim | oh....rught ;-) | 15:41 |
| nosrednaekim | *right | 15:41 |
| nixternal | stress | 15:47 |
| * Jucato massages nixternal's back | 15:47 | |
| Riddell | anyone else being spammed by launchpad for broken feisty ppa builds? | 15:50 |
| nixternal | Riddell: yes | 15:50 |
| nixternal | for the past month | 15:50 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: is that to kubuntu-devel ML? | 15:50 |
| Hobbsee | or personally? | 15:50 |
| Riddell | nixternal: looks personally | 15:50 |
| Riddell | I just got 100 odd | 15:50 |
| Hobbsee | grrr | 15:51 |
| * Hobbsee checks | 15:51 | |
| Hobbsee | that *should* be blackholed | 15:51 |
| Hobbsee | but part of that section of LP is broken | 15:51 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: what is it? | 15:52 |
| nixternal | ya, it sends it to me, no cc or ml at all | 15:52 |
| Hobbsee | give me a minute | 15:52 |
| Riddell | anyone with xinerama? testers needed for qt 4 | 15:55 |
| * nosrednaekim wishes he had another screen | 15:56 | |
| * Hobbsee doesnt' appear to have feisty ones | 15:59 | |
| neversfelde | Riddell: I have xinerama at home, what testing is needed? | 16:02 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell & nixternal: can you poke me if it continues to happen? they've killed the mail on dogfood. | 16:03 |
| stdin | nosrednaekim: you tried it yet? | 16:03 |
| nosrednaekim | stdin: I tried the previous version, is the one you finished yesterday up yet? | 16:04 |
| stdin | yeah | 16:04 |
| Riddell | neversfelde: install latest qt 4 package in hardy, run an app on screen 2 and see if menus appear on screen 1 or 2 | 16:04 |
| nosrednaekim | stdin: I will grab it then. | 16:04 |
| stdin | nosrednaekim: version "3.92.0~svn20071201-0ubuntu1~gutsy0~ppa6" | 16:04 |
| stdin | I do love those incredibly long version numbers :) | 16:05 |
| nosrednaekim | heh | 16:05 |
| nosrednaekim | stdin: I don't suppose you know SIP? | 16:05 |
| neversfelde | Riddell: will do, when I'm back at home in about 2# hours | 16:05 |
| stdin | nosrednaekim: I know of it, had to put an updated version in my ppa | 16:06 |
| nosrednaekim | stdin: ok, well,i'm trying to make a python binding to the pictureflow qt widget. | 16:06 |
| stdin | nosrednaekim: I've never used sip, I don't even know how to do a "hello world" in python | 16:07 |
| jpatrick | print "Hello world" | 16:08 |
| nosrednaekim | lol | 16:08 |
| stdin | don't you need the '(' and ')' | 16:08 |
| nosrednaekim | stdin: ah ok, I guess I shall have to figure out SIP then. lol, I don't even know a thing about C++ headers. | 16:08 |
| nosrednaekim | stdin: nah.. | 16:08 |
| stdin | cout << "Be Happy,\nLearn C++\n"'; | 16:09 |
| jpatrick | stdin: no, but that's what I've heard it will be like in the next release | 16:09 |
| nosrednaekim | python 3000? | 16:10 |
| Jucato | the next "version" of python | 16:10 |
| stdin | I'm waiting for the pykde4 talk so I can give python a shot | 16:10 |
| jpatrick | I'd prefer: cout << "Be happy" << endl << "Learn C++" << endl; | 16:10 |
| nosrednaekim | stdin: I think you'd better learn a little python before that ;) | 16:10 |
| stdin | nosrednaekim: I have: print "hello world" | 16:11 |
| stdin | :p | 16:11 |
| nosrednaekim | print "learn Python \n" + "fly!!!!' | 16:11 |
| jpatrick | haha | 16:11 |
| Jucato | 10 PRINT "Hello, world!" | 16:11 |
| nosrednaekim | yech, I can't learn SIP very eaily.... too much C++ | 16:23 |
| nosrednaekim | stdin: I have to go,but i'll give those new packages a test later. | 16:23 |
| stdin | nosrednaekim: let me know if they work (I don't know how to test them), cya | 16:23 |
| nosrednaekim | ok | 16:23 |
| bddebian | Heya | 17:19 |
| nixternal | boo | 17:20 |
| ScottK | bah | 17:20 |
| * Jucato runs away, scared... | 17:20 | |
| bddebian | :-) | 17:20 |
| nixternal | man, I have to start writing my final paper today...no more procrastinating...one more week and I will be free again :) | 17:21 |
| Jucato | don't procrastinate. don't end up like Jucato | 17:21 |
| nixternal | man, I never want to end up like that guy :p | 17:21 |
| ScottK | Heh. Like that's ever true (no more procrastinating). | 17:21 |
| nixternal | right | 17:21 |
| Jucato | :D | 17:22 |
| nixternal | I have been saying it for years...bad thing is my daughter seems to be following suit now | 17:22 |
| nixternal | but now I have the ultimate punishment tool for at least a few years...a cell phone...she doesn't know she is getting it for xmas, but man is she going to flip | 17:22 |
| Jucato | (iphone?) | 17:23 |
| Jucato | :P | 17:23 |
| ScottK | nixternal: Right. It's easier to control them when they have something they really don't want you to take away. | 17:24 |
| ScottK | nixternal: You might also consider http://www.pocketfinder.com/products.aspx | 17:24 |
| txwikinger | good luck nixternal | 17:32 |
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| nosrednaekim | stdin: hey, the new package still doen't have the KDE4 .ui creator or pykdedocs.... | 17:39 |
| nosrednaekim | I installed the -dev, the -doc and the base one as well. | 17:40 |
| nosrednaekim | ermm NM, its just not in my path... | 17:41 |
| nosrednaekim | (the .ui creator) | 17:41 |
| nosrednaekim | the help browser is still MIA.... I looked through all the debs and its not there. It seems to have a separate install script. | 17:47 |
| nosrednaekim | from what I can see in the other docs. | 17:48 |
| stdin | nosrednaekim: the pykdeuic4.py file is definitely in -dev | 17:51 |
| Riddell | it should have a wrapper in /usr/bin, but that's an upstream issue | 17:51 |
| jpatrick_ | ahoy apachelogger | 17:57 |
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| apachelogger | ahoy jpatrick | 17:58 |
| nixternal | ScottK: ya, we go those for her a few months back and put them in dfferent places...ie. inside a coat pocket, inside her backpack | 18:19 |
| Tonio_ | hi there | 18:19 |
| Tonio_ | I wanted to demonstrate kde4 to a collegue | 18:19 |
| Tonio_ | I guess this whatever I try : KUniqueApplication: Cannot find the D-Bus session server | 18:19 |
| Tonio_ | is there a known workarround for hardy ? | 18:19 |
| nixternal | there is, and I can't remember it off hand | 18:20 |
| * nixternal thinks | 18:20 | |
| nixternal | oh | 18:20 |
| nixternal | Tonio_: are you running it from the cli as a different user than say kde-devel (if you set it up that way)? | 18:20 |
| nixternal | err, you need to install dbus-x11 | 18:21 |
| Tonio_ | nixternal: hum, oki testing | 18:21 |
| nixternal | I think that is how I fixed it with Gutsy, because dbus-x11 was seperated from the main dbus package | 18:22 |
| Tonio_ | nixternal: works, you rock ! | 18:22 |
| Tonio_ | rebooting on a kde4 session | 18:22 |
| Tonio_ | hope I'll not be ridiculous with a segfault a minute :) | 18:23 |
| nixternal | hehe | 18:23 |
| nixternal | only thing that is really segfaulting for me is Konqueror, but I need to do another update and see if it is fixed | 18:24 |
| nixternal | ScottK: actually, we have something different than those little ones, ours is a tad big larger | 18:24 |
| ScottK | It doesn't look like those are actually for sale yet. What do you have? | 18:25 |
| nixternal | I believe the ones we got are navicom, can't remember | 18:26 |
| nixternal | anyone else getting nspluginviewer segfaults with konqi? | 18:28 |
| nixternal | the fun thing is that it is unable to create a backtrace | 18:28 |
| tlayton | hey, anyone getting errors like this with kde 4 rc1: "dolphin: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libQtSql.so.4: undefined symbol: _ZN14QObjectPrivate15checkWindowRoleEv" | 18:35 |
| Riddell | tlayton: hardy? | 18:36 |
| tlayton | yes | 18:36 |
| Riddell | tlayton: have you updated qt today? | 18:36 |
| tlayton | i updated the libqt* and qt-designers* | 18:37 |
| tlayton | this has actually been happening to me since kde 4 b3 on gutsy | 18:37 |
| Riddell | tlayton: do you have to do something to get that to happen? | 18:38 |
| tlayton | if i try to run a session, kstartupconfig returns an error like above, except it complains about libQtDbus... | 18:38 |
| tlayton | no, that's what's perplexing. | 18:38 |
| Riddell | tlayton: is this with our kde 4 rc 1 packages? | 18:38 |
| tlayton | yes, but it's been happening with previous packages. i'm pretty sure my terminal vars are clean before exporting the 4 from the instructions | 18:39 |
| tlayton | there's a thread in the hardy developmnent forum, so it seems things should be working. i'm just not sure where to look anymore | 18:40 |
| tlayton | i've tried creating a new user with a clean env, but get the same thing | 18:40 |
| tlayton | riddell: note that my kubuntu has been constantly upgraded since edgy. i've haven't done a fresh install | 18:47 |
| Riddell | tlayton: I'm really not sure I'm afraid | 18:51 |
| Riddell | I've not seen any such problems | 18:51 |
| Riddell | and if it's our Qt and our KDE 4 packages, I can't see how it could get a symbol error | 18:51 |
| tlayton | riddell: there's a few other things i've found. since this is hardy, should official bug reports be filed on launchpad, or would you rather discuss them here? | 18:56 |
| Riddell | tlayton: here is fine | 18:58 |
| tlayton | when i try to change to administrator mode in system settings for date/time or change it from the panel, the kdesudo dialog says command not found. however, i can sudo systemsettings from the command line and it works okay | 19:02 |
| Riddell | tlayton: kde 3 or 4? | 19:03 |
| tlayton | kde 3 | 19:03 |
| Riddell | tlayton: tonio has been working on kdesudo, but he's not here just now | 19:04 |
| tlayton | i did notice on a kdesudo upgrade that an error/warning was displayed saying the postrm file doesn't support "upgrade". i did notice it only had purge and remove | 19:04 |
| tlayton | ok | 19:04 |
| Riddell | you can just apt-get remove kdesudo as a workaround | 19:04 |
| tlayton | ok. thanx. at least i know where to come for help now, instead of the forums. | 19:08 |
| tlayton | btw, my hardy is doing great. great work | 19:09 |
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| mzungu | have just been trying to get a friends laptop wlan to work (without success) and was surprised to see that gutsy ndiswrapper is 41 versions behind the current stable - so will it be more up-to-date in hardy? | 20:29 |
| tlayton | riddell: earlier today, i had the symbol lookup error in kde 4. i changed the libQtSql.so.4 to point to the debug version. running dolphin thru gdb is showing a sigsegv in /lib/ld-linux.so.2 | 20:57 |
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| baxeico | hi | 22:32 |
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| baxeico | hi all, sorry I'm new to IRC. I'm here just to try out IRC and be prepared for "Kubuntu tutorials day"! :) | 22:53 |
| Riddell | baxeico: great, stick around | 22:54 |
| Riddell | seems to be a quiet night | 22:55 |
| baxeico | sorry riddell, I was wondering if everyone here are chatting in pvt | 22:55 |
| Riddell | no, just busy packaging the new kde 4 rc | 23:01 |
| txwikinger | You want more noise? | 23:07 |
| baxeico | txwikinger: no, just to understand how IRC works. But maybe this is not the best moment to learn :) | 23:09 |
| txwikinger | baxeico: Well, there are other channels where there is more social talk going on | 23:11 |
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| baxeico | thank you tx, I will come back on Thursday December 13th from 1500UTC. :) | 23:12 |
| txwikinger | cool.. see you then | 23:12 |
| txwikinger | or come by #ubuntu-uk if you like | 23:13 |
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