[01:10] <rouzic> hi all :)
[01:23] <nosrednaekim> hi rouzic
[01:25] <rouzic> Hi nosrednaekim :)
[03:23] <DaSkreech> Jucato: Hiya
[03:23] <DaSkreech> LongPointyStick: hello
[03:36] <DaSkreech> Oh sweet
[03:37] <DaSkreech> new flash?
[04:30] <mustafa_> hi
[04:30] <DaSkreech> um
[04:30] <DaSkreech> ok
[05:36] <DaSkreech> hello
[05:36] <DaSkreech> hey Jucato What's your blont about?
[05:37] <Jucato> nothing much. just triggered by something I read in the Dot, which isn't an entirely new mentality... been around for as long as I've been around :)
[05:38] <DaSkreech> So it wasnt a specific project then?
[05:38] <Jucato> nope. but it has been about so many projects, even distros...
[05:39] <DaSkreech> yeah
[05:39] <Hobbsee> hey DaSkreech
[05:39] <DaSkreech> Hi Hobbsee
[05:39] <DaSkreech> Missed you
[05:39] <Jucato> Hobbsee!!!
[05:40] <Hobbsee> :)
[05:44] <yuriy> Jucato: I was under the impression that it was triggered by the KFTP discussion because both stories showed up around the same time, but I don't know if you can blont that fast
[05:44] <Jucato> yuriy: it was :)
[05:45] <Jucato> yeah, it's my quickest post created (hence probably not well thought out :P)
[05:45] <Jucato> hence a lot shorter than usual :)
[05:45]  * yuriy has been working on a project last two nights and checking akregator constantly to procrastinate
[05:49] <yuriy> lol @ aseigo calling gnome a "a low-integration environment"
[05:49] <Jucato> :D
[05:53] <DaSkreech> Interesting Stone to throw
[05:53] <DaSkreech> Hey! Metacity has compositing now :)
[08:52] <Serega> Morning, all!
[10:46] <Riddell> jpatrick: re your e-mail that should be fine but I'm waiting on a reply from sime
[10:46] <jpatrick> ok
[12:04] <Riddell> stdin: kde4 in hardy should be fixed if you want to retry python-kde4
[12:32] <Serega> k'dday, fellows
[12:32]  * Hobbsee waves
[12:32] <Serega> does anybody work on d3lphin's cut/paste problem?
[12:33] <Riddell> Serega: mhb was commenting on it yesterday, I think he concluded that it's not worth fixing since no file manager talks copy/paste at each other
[12:34] <Riddell> Serega: but he has a bzr branch if you want to have a go at it
[12:37] <Serega> Riddell: I would like to have a fix for it, because this is a nice reason to gloat for my windows-using acquaintances :)
[12:38] <Riddell> that konqueror doesn't cut/paste with dolphin?
[12:39] <Riddell> I presume it works within dolphins
[12:39] <Serega> maybe. Cut'n'past doesn't work from Desktop to dolphin in particular
[12:40] <Serega> Riddell: what do you think about libdvdcss url?
[12:41] <Serega> Riddell: it contains a version that could change
[12:41] <Hobbsee> Serega: hm?
[12:41] <Hobbsee> Serega: there are (vague) plans to get that libdvdcss script pointed at medibuntu, and grab the latest version from there
[12:41] <Hobbsee> so far, it's nto been done yet
[12:42] <Riddell> Serega: we could set up a redirect on kubuntu.org
[12:43] <Serega> Riddell: oh, great solution. How soon can it be done? (on kubuntu.org side)
[12:44] <Riddell> Serega: where should it redirect to?
[12:44] <Serega> Riddell: e.g. http://packages.medibuntu.org/pool/free/libd/libdvdcss/libdvdcss2_1.2.9-2medibuntu4_i386.deb
[12:44] <Serega> or corresponding amd64 and PPC
[12:45] <Serega> it should be something like: www.kubuntu.org/libdvdcss-[i386|amd64|ppc]
[12:46]  * Hobbsee has missed something, it appears
[12:46] <Serega> Hobbsee: look at current deb url
[12:46] <Serega> Hobbsee: it contains 1.2.9
[12:46] <Hobbsee> i've seen it, but what's that got to do with kubuntu.org?
[12:46] <Serega> Hobbsee: it will be inaccessible when 1.2.10 comes
[12:47] <Hobbsee> this is true
[12:47]  * Hobbsee would assume the script would be changed to check for it
[12:47] <Serega> Hobbsee: Riddell's proposal is to redirect from kubuntu.org to right version of libdvdcss
[12:47] <Riddell> Serega: http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/packages/libdvdcss-i386.php
[12:47] <Hobbsee> well, the latest
[12:48] <Hobbsee> Riddell: do you have the source of what you've used to create that page?
[12:48] <Serega> Riddell: how quickly)
[12:48]  * Hobbsee would prefer to see it modified in install-css.sh, so it works everywhere
[12:48] <Riddell> header('Location: http://...');
[12:49] <Serega> Riddell: another solution is to parse medibuntu repo package list
[12:49] <Riddell> yes, could do
[12:51] <Riddell> that assumed medibuntu doesn't get shut down by the MPAA
[12:51] <Serega> Riddell: ok, I'll estimate the efforts for both solutions in evening
[12:51] <Riddell> Serega: well job done on my side if you go for the kubuntu.org way
[12:51] <Serega> Riddell: is it really possible during Hardy life?
[12:51] <Riddell> Serega: is which?
[12:51] <Hobbsee> Riddell: well, that's what i was wondering - how safe is it to change?
[12:51] <Serega> Riddell: medibuntu closing
[12:52] <Riddell> Serega: they're a third party, they can close down at any time
[12:52] <Serega> Riddell: thanks for server side
[12:52] <Riddell> Hobbsee: safe is what?
[12:52] <Serega> :-|
[12:53] <Hobbsee> Riddell: do we then get in trouble with MPAA and such for pointing at the medibuntu stuff?
[12:53] <Serega> Hobbsee: +1
[12:53] <jpatrick> Serega: couldn't the thing install libdvdread3 and then invoke: /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/install-css.sh ?
[12:54] <Serega> jpatrick: it is not a problem to invoke something on users side. Problem is where to get libdvdcss
[12:55] <Serega> jpatrick: in other words: what should be in install-css.sh
[12:55] <Hobbsee> jpatrick: that would be the idae, yes
[12:55] <Riddell> jpatrick: we want GUI feedback, that's a command line script
[12:55] <jpatrick> Serega: the script would do it automagically
[12:55] <Riddell> Hobbsee: no laws against linking yet
[12:55] <Serega> jpatrick: do you mean this script should be third-party?
[12:55] <Hobbsee> "yet"
[12:56] <Serega> too many can do MPAA during 2 years :(
[12:57] <Serega> maybe we should leave libdvdcss at all?
[12:58] <Serega> and how ubuntu solves this issue?
[12:58] <Riddell> Serega: it doesn't
[12:58] <Riddell> it's a nasty problem for non command line users
[12:58] <Serega> Riddell: doesn't it install libdvdcss at all?
[12:58] <Riddell> no
[12:59] <Serega> Riddell: so... how about a checkbox in "Manager repositories"?
[12:59] <Serega> Riddell: with a warning e.g.
[13:00] <Riddell> Serega: we don't want to point to a whole third party repository, who knows what they put in there
[13:00] <Riddell> the kubuntu.org redirect seems best to me
[13:20] <Jucato> I just tested: cut & paste works between Konqueror and Krusader (KDE 3)
[14:55] <nosrednaekim> stdin: hey, are the new python-kde4 packages up?
[15:04] <piccolino81> Wieso passiert hier gar nix?
[15:04] <piccolino81> Bin ich etwa im falschen Kanal gelandet :-( ?
[15:04] <Jucato> !de | piccolino81
[15:04] <ubotu> piccolino81: Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[15:05] <Jucato> (or if someone here can understand/speak German...)
[15:06] <piccolino81> Sorry! I thought to participate in the "Kubuntu Tutorials Day" - it ist my first contact with IRC
[15:06] <Jucato> That will be next week :)
[15:07] <Jucato> Dec. 13, at 15:00 UTC
[15:07] <Hobbsee> tag, piccolino81.  wie gehts?
[15:07] <piccolino81> Ups, thanks Jucato :)
[15:08] <piccolino81> Until then... bye :-)
[15:08] <piccolino81> Cu
[15:08] <nosrednaekim> bye
[15:11]  * Jucato just spent the last  um... 30 minutes or more trying to summarize and reply: http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3089235.msg104291#msg104291
[15:11] <Jucato> :D
[15:14] <nosrednaekim> hey.... could we use the KDE4 kdm?
[15:14] <nosrednaekim> doesn't if have support for bullet proof X?
[15:14]  * Jucato doesn't think so.. to both Q's
[15:16] <nosrednaekim> hmph
[15:19] <DaSkreech> What would it take to add it?
[15:19] <Jucato> code? :)
[15:20] <DaSkreech> up up down down left right left right
[15:23] <nixternal> was knotes removed from kontact purposely?
[15:23]  * nixternal just got back from the hospital..not fun
[15:24] <Jucato> nixternal: oh? what happened to you? :(
[15:24] <nixternal> guess I have an ulcer and it tore a bit last night which caused me to toss up some blood...thought I was dying :)
[15:24] <Jucato> ouch :(
[15:24] <nixternal> ya, it is the worse stomach ache you could ever imagine
[15:25] <nixternal> at first I thought I got food poisoning again
[15:27] <nosrednaekim> youch
[15:28] <Jucato> they have determined the cause to be what?
[15:37] <nosrednaekim> stomach ulcer I think he said
[15:41] <Jucato> oh yeah... I was thinking "what was the cause of the ulcer..." :D
[15:41] <nosrednaekim> oh....rught ;-)
[15:41] <nosrednaekim> *right
[15:47] <nixternal> stress
[15:47]  * Jucato massages nixternal's back
[15:50] <Riddell> anyone else being spammed by launchpad for broken feisty ppa builds?
[15:50] <nixternal> Riddell: yes
[15:50] <nixternal> for the past month
[15:50] <Hobbsee> Riddell: is that to kubuntu-devel ML?
[15:50] <Hobbsee> or personally?
[15:50] <Riddell> nixternal: looks personally
[15:50] <Riddell> I just got 100 odd
[15:51] <Hobbsee> grrr
[15:51]  * Hobbsee checks
[15:51] <Hobbsee> that *should* be blackholed
[15:51] <Hobbsee> but part of that section of LP is broken
[15:52] <Riddell> Hobbsee: what is it?
[15:52] <nixternal> ya, it sends it to me, no cc or ml at all
[15:52] <Hobbsee> give me a minute
[15:55] <Riddell> anyone with xinerama?  testers needed for qt 4
[15:56]  * nosrednaekim wishes he had another screen
[15:59]  * Hobbsee doesnt' appear to have feisty ones
[16:02] <neversfelde> Riddell: I have xinerama at home, what testing is needed?
[16:03] <Hobbsee> Riddell & nixternal:  can you poke me if it continues to happen?  they've killed the mail on dogfood.
[16:03] <stdin> nosrednaekim: you tried it yet?
[16:04] <nosrednaekim> stdin: I tried the previous version, is the one you finished yesterday up yet?
[16:04] <stdin> yeah
[16:04] <Riddell> neversfelde: install latest qt 4 package in hardy, run an app on screen 2 and see if menus appear on screen 1 or 2
[16:04] <nosrednaekim> stdin: I will grab it then.
[16:04] <stdin> nosrednaekim: version "3.92.0~svn20071201-0ubuntu1~gutsy0~ppa6"
[16:05] <stdin> I do love those incredibly long version numbers :)
[16:05] <nosrednaekim> heh
[16:05] <nosrednaekim> stdin: I don't suppose you know SIP?
[16:05] <neversfelde> Riddell: will do, when I'm back at home in about 2# hours
[16:06] <stdin> nosrednaekim: I know of it, had to put an updated version in my ppa
[16:06] <nosrednaekim> stdin: ok, well,i'm trying to make a python binding to the pictureflow qt widget.
[16:07] <stdin> nosrednaekim: I've never used sip, I don't even know how to do a "hello world" in python
[16:08] <jpatrick> print "Hello world"
[16:08] <nosrednaekim> lol
[16:08] <stdin> don't you need the '(' and ')'
[16:08] <nosrednaekim> stdin: ah ok, I guess I shall have to figure out SIP then. lol, I don't even know a thing about C++ headers.
[16:08] <nosrednaekim> stdin: nah..
[16:09] <stdin> cout << "Be Happy,\nLearn C++\n"';
[16:09] <jpatrick> stdin: no, but that's what I've heard it will be like in the next release
[16:10] <nosrednaekim> python 3000?
[16:10] <Jucato> the next "version" of python
[16:10] <stdin> I'm waiting for the pykde4 talk so I can give python a shot
[16:10] <jpatrick> I'd prefer: cout << "Be happy" << endl << "Learn C++" << endl;
[16:10] <nosrednaekim> stdin: I think you'd better learn a little python before that ;)
[16:11] <stdin> nosrednaekim: I have: print "hello world"
[16:11] <stdin> :p
[16:11] <nosrednaekim> print "learn Python \n" + "fly!!!!'
[16:11] <jpatrick> haha
[16:11] <Jucato> 10 PRINT "Hello, world!"
[16:23] <nosrednaekim> yech, I can't learn SIP very eaily.... too much C++
[16:23] <nosrednaekim> stdin: I have to go,but i'll give those new packages a test later.
[16:23] <stdin> nosrednaekim: let me know if they work (I don't know how to test them), cya
[16:23] <nosrednaekim> ok
[17:19] <bddebian> Heya
[17:20] <nixternal> boo
[17:20] <ScottK> bah
[17:20]  * Jucato runs away, scared...
[17:20] <bddebian> :-)
[17:21] <nixternal> man, I have to start writing my final paper today...no more procrastinating...one more week and I will be free again :)
[17:21] <Jucato> don't procrastinate. don't end up like Jucato
[17:21] <nixternal> man, I never want to end up like that guy :p
[17:21] <ScottK> Heh.  Like that's ever true (no more procrastinating).
[17:21] <nixternal> right
[17:22] <Jucato> :D
[17:22] <nixternal> I have been saying it for years...bad thing is my daughter seems to be following suit now
[17:22] <nixternal> but now I have the ultimate punishment tool for at least a few years...a cell phone...she doesn't know she is getting it for xmas, but man is she going to flip
[17:23] <Jucato> (iphone?)
[17:23] <Jucato> :P
[17:24] <ScottK> nixternal: Right.  It's easier to control them when they have something they really don't want you to take away.
[17:24] <ScottK> nixternal: You might also consider http://www.pocketfinder.com/products.aspx
[17:32] <txwikinger> good luck nixternal
[17:39] <nosrednaekim> stdin: hey, the new package still doen't have the KDE4 .ui creator or pykdedocs....
[17:40] <nosrednaekim> I installed the -dev, the -doc and the base one as well.
[17:41] <nosrednaekim> ermm NM, its just not in my path...
[17:41] <nosrednaekim> (the .ui creator)
[17:47] <nosrednaekim> the help browser is still MIA.... I looked through all the debs and its not there. It seems to have a separate install script.
[17:48] <nosrednaekim> from what I can see in the other docs.
[17:51] <stdin> nosrednaekim: the pykdeuic4.py file is definitely in -dev
[17:51] <Riddell> it should have a wrapper in /usr/bin, but that's an upstream issue
[17:57] <jpatrick_> ahoy apachelogger
[17:58] <apachelogger> ahoy jpatrick
[18:19] <nixternal> ScottK: ya, we go those for her a few months back and put them in dfferent places...ie. inside a coat pocket, inside her backpack
[18:19] <Tonio_> hi there
[18:19] <Tonio_> I wanted to demonstrate kde4 to a collegue
[18:19] <Tonio_> I guess this whatever I try : KUniqueApplication: Cannot find the D-Bus session server
[18:19] <Tonio_> is there a known workarround for hardy ?
[18:20] <nixternal> there is, and I can't remember it off hand
[18:20]  * nixternal thinks
[18:20] <nixternal> oh
[18:20] <nixternal> Tonio_: are you running it from the cli as a different user than say kde-devel (if you set it up that way)?
[18:21] <nixternal> err, you need to install dbus-x11
[18:21] <Tonio_> nixternal: hum, oki testing
[18:22] <nixternal> I think that is how I fixed it with Gutsy, because dbus-x11 was seperated from the main dbus package
[18:22] <Tonio_> nixternal: works, you rock !
[18:22] <Tonio_> rebooting on a kde4 session
[18:23] <Tonio_> hope I'll not be ridiculous with a segfault a minute :)
[18:23] <nixternal> hehe
[18:24] <nixternal> only thing that is really segfaulting for me is Konqueror, but I need to do another update and see if it is fixed
[18:24] <nixternal> ScottK: actually, we have something different than those little ones, ours is a tad big larger
[18:25] <ScottK> It doesn't look like those are actually for sale yet.  What do you have?
[18:26] <nixternal> I believe the ones we got are navicom, can't remember
[18:28] <nixternal> anyone else getting nspluginviewer segfaults with konqi?
[18:28] <nixternal> the fun thing is that it is unable to create a backtrace
[18:35] <tlayton> hey, anyone getting errors like this with kde 4 rc1:  "dolphin: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libQtSql.so.4: undefined symbol: _ZN14QObjectPrivate15checkWindowRoleEv"
[18:36] <Riddell> tlayton: hardy?
[18:36] <tlayton> yes
[18:36] <Riddell> tlayton: have you updated qt today?
[18:37] <tlayton> i updated the libqt* and qt-designers*
[18:37] <tlayton> this has actually been happening to me since kde 4 b3 on gutsy
[18:38] <Riddell> tlayton: do you have to do something to get that to happen?
[18:38] <tlayton> if i try to run a session, kstartupconfig returns an error like above, except it complains about libQtDbus...
[18:38] <tlayton> no, that's what's perplexing.
[18:38] <Riddell> tlayton: is this with our kde 4 rc 1 packages?
[18:39] <tlayton> yes, but it's been happening with previous packages. i'm pretty sure my terminal vars are clean before exporting the 4 from the instructions
[18:40] <tlayton> there's a thread in the hardy developmnent forum, so it seems things should be working. i'm just not sure where to look anymore
[18:40] <tlayton> i've tried creating a new user with a clean env, but get the same thing
[18:47] <tlayton> riddell: note that my kubuntu has been constantly upgraded since edgy. i've haven't done a fresh install
[18:51] <Riddell> tlayton: I'm really not sure I'm afraid
[18:51] <Riddell> I've not seen any such problems
[18:51] <Riddell> and if it's our Qt and our KDE 4 packages, I can't see how it could get a symbol error
[18:56] <tlayton> riddell: there's a few other things i've found. since this is hardy, should official bug reports be filed on launchpad, or would you rather discuss them here?
[18:58] <Riddell> tlayton: here is fine
[19:02] <tlayton> when i try to change to administrator mode in system settings for date/time or change it from the panel, the kdesudo dialog says command not found.  however, i can sudo systemsettings from the command line and it works okay
[19:03] <Riddell> tlayton: kde 3 or 4?
[19:03] <tlayton> kde 3
[19:04] <Riddell> tlayton: tonio has been working on kdesudo, but he's not here just now
[19:04] <tlayton> i did notice on a kdesudo upgrade that an error/warning was displayed saying the postrm file doesn't support "upgrade". i did notice it only had purge and remove
[19:04] <tlayton> ok
[19:04] <Riddell> you can just apt-get remove kdesudo as a workaround
[19:08] <tlayton> ok. thanx. at least i know where to come for help now, instead of the forums.
[19:09] <tlayton> btw, my hardy is doing great. great work
[20:29] <mzungu> have just been trying to get a friends laptop wlan to work (without success) and was surprised to see that gutsy ndiswrapper is 41 versions behind the current stable - so will it be more up-to-date in hardy?
[20:57] <tlayton> riddell: earlier today, i had the symbol lookup error in kde 4. i changed the libQtSql.so.4 to point to the debug version.  running dolphin thru gdb is showing a sigsegv in /lib/ld-linux.so.2
[22:32] <baxeico> hi
[22:53] <baxeico> hi all, sorry I'm new to IRC. I'm here just to try out IRC and be prepared for "Kubuntu tutorials day"! :)
[22:54] <Riddell> baxeico: great, stick around
[22:55] <Riddell> seems to be a quiet night
[22:55] <baxeico> sorry riddell, I was wondering if everyone here are chatting in pvt
[23:01] <Riddell> no, just busy packaging the new kde 4 rc
[23:07] <txwikinger> You want more noise?
[23:09] <baxeico> txwikinger: no, just to understand how IRC works. But maybe this is not the best moment to learn :)
[23:11] <txwikinger> baxeico: Well, there are other channels where there is more social talk going on
[23:12] <baxeico> thank you tx, I will come back on Thursday December 13th from 1500UTC. :)
[23:12] <txwikinger> cool.. see you then
[23:13] <txwikinger> or come by #ubuntu-uk if you like