[09:05] <asac> hi
[09:08] <Ubulette> yop
[09:27] <asac> has prism been sponsored? are seamonkey binaries finally there?
[09:28] <Ubulette> no, no
[09:31] <asac> Ubulette:
[09:31] <asac> Get:1 http://de.archive.ubuntu.com hardy/main seamonkey-browser 1.1.6+nobinonly-0ubuntu1 [10.4MB]
[09:31] <asac> 38% [1 seamonkey-browser 4030204/10.4MB 38%]
[09:31] <asac> works for me
[09:32] <Ubulette> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/s/seamonkey/  ?
[09:32] <asac> apparently nothing to bother about
[09:32] <asac> strange
[09:32] <asac> pool/main/s/seamonkey/seamonkey-browser_1.1.6+nobinonly-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb
[09:33] <asac> thats ppa?
[09:34] <Ubulette> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/s/seamonkey/
[09:34] <Ubulette> lol, half in main, half in universe
[09:34] <asac> strange
[09:35] <asac> well thats possible to do ... but why did it happen for seamonkey
[09:35] <asac> must have been an accident i guess
[09:35] <Ubulette> I don't know.
[09:35] <Ubulette> i have to go now. see you
[09:35] <asac> cu
[12:06] <asac> Ubulette: xul 1.9 tree closes in a few hours
[12:06] <asac> :)
[12:06] <asac> let me know if there are other fixes for b1
[21:48] <Ubulette> hi
[21:49] <Ubulette> asac, so, what do we do about cairo ?
[21:49] <Ubulette> did you read my answer to the bug ?
[22:38] <asac> Ubulette: bug?
[22:39] <asac> lets see
[22:39] <Ubulette> bug 164640
[22:39] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 164640 in firefox-3.0 "Build Firefox 3 against a subpixel-patched cairo" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164640
[22:39] <asac> bug 152210
[22:40] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 152210 in xulrunner-1.9 "xulrunner ships its own copy of cairo" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/152210
[22:40] <Ubulette> oh
[22:40] <asac> why is that firefox-3.0?
[22:40]  * asac reassigning 
[22:40] <Ubulette> i don't know. someone triaged it that way
[22:40] <asac> is it a dupe?
[22:41] <asac> yes :)
[22:41] <asac> so whats the upstream bug
[22:42] <asac> i mean the main problem is that we cannot build against system cairo
[22:42] <asac> but why is that still the case ;)
[22:42] <Ubulette> there's a patch in the bug
[22:43] <asac> well ... the bug wants to add the patch to xulrunner ... i would prefer to not use the xulrunner cairo at all
[22:43] <Ubulette> but look at bonsai, 6 months of patches lost if we use system cairo
[22:44] <asac> b=404092, upgrade cairo to 1.5.2-55
[22:44] <asac> how can i find the diff they have?
[22:44]  * asac looking at bug
[22:45] <Ubulette> ask vlad :)
[22:45] <Dragonath> hi, is this the place to ask when I have a weird problem with thunderbird (and am using kubuntu 7.10)?
[22:45] <asac> wtf ... we are still at cairo 1.4.something ... even in hardy ;)
[22:45] <Ubulette> yes (but not me) :P
[22:46] <Ubulette> asac, yes
[22:46] <asac> Dragonath: ?
[22:46] <Ubulette> 1.5.* is for dev releases
[22:46] <Dragonath> thunderbird doesn't want to show my e-mails' message body
[22:47] <asac> Dragonath: start in safe-mode from command-line: thunderbird -safe-mode
[22:47] <Dragonath> it downloads the subject, shows the message body in that weird popup thing, and then shows me a blank when I click on it
[22:47] <asac> Dragonath: try that first
[22:48] <Dragonath> same thing
[22:48] <asac> i don't understand what you mean by "weird popup thing"
[22:48] <Dragonath> no errors in console
[22:49] <Dragonath> when I get the mail, a small window shows on the bottom right side of the screen, showing small bits of the mails received
[22:50] <asac> is that reproducible? with every mail or just with some?
[22:50] <Dragonath> well, it's been like this for almost two days now I think
[22:51] <Dragonath> a GTA newsletter thing just came in, doesn't show the contents at all
[22:51] <asac> can you still read mail?
[22:51] <Dragonath> it even displays the button where I can click Show Images, but nothing shows even when I click
[22:51] <asac> e.g. by opening mails the normal way?
[22:51] <Dragonath> well I can read them by logging in to the webmail inbox from where I download them
[22:52] <Dragonath> otherwise, bar the subjects, I can't really read any mail
[22:53] <asac> ok
[22:53] <asac> which extensions do you use?
[22:53] <asac> any?
[22:53] <Dragonath> I have one for exporting filters
[22:53] <Dragonath> that's all
[22:53] <asac> and I guess disabling that doesn't help ... hmm
[22:54] <Dragonath> problems really started a few weeks ago when I upgraded to 7.10 - trying to read mail just gave me some could not find error
[22:55] <Dragonath> yet I checked the innards of the inbox file and found the mails there
[22:55] <asac> do you use the thunderbird that is shipped by ubuntu? or did you install it manually at some point?
[22:55] <Dragonath> I installed it manually
[22:56] <asac> yeah ... well, thats not supported by this channel ... anyway, I would try to backup your profile folder and remove the .msf files .. then see if starting thunderbird helps
[22:56] <asac> or try to compact the folders
[22:56] <Dragonath> ok
[22:57] <Dragonath> when did they start shipping thunderbird with ubuntu? 7.04?
[22:57] <asac> since the beginning i guess
[22:57] <Dragonath> hmm then it doesn't make sense that I had to install it manually
[22:57] <Dragonath> both ubuntu and kubuntu had thunderbird?
[22:57] <asac> not by default
[22:58] <asac> you can install through Applications -> Add/Remove ...
[22:58] <Dragonath> ok
[22:59] <asac> if you want to switch you need to copy your profile directory: $HOME/.thunderbird => $HOME/.mozilla-thunderbird
[22:59] <asac> you can also create a link i guess
[23:00] <Dragonath> the profile directory is the whole /mozilla-thunderbird or the subfolder in it?
[23:01] <asac> the whole
[23:01] <asac> it should be .thunderbird in your home directory
[23:01] <Dragonath> ah ok
[23:01] <Dragonath> it's mozilla-thunderbird
[23:01] <asac> the one used by ubuntu build is .mozilla-thunderbird
[23:01] <asac> with a . ?
[23:01] <Dragonath> ok
[23:02] <Dragonath> yes
[23:02] <asac> yeah ... if you did the backup, remove the .msf files and restart tbird
[23:02] <asac> (stop before)
[23:02] <Dragonath> ok
[23:03] <asac> Ubulette: so nothing for this b1 update?
[23:04] <Ubulette> oh, hold on. a few (tiny) things
[23:04] <Ubulette> can i pull ?
[23:04] <Ubulette> is that .dev ?
[23:06] <asac> yes
[23:07] <asac> which things do you want to change?
[23:09] <Ubulette>  Add Homepage: and Vcs-Bzr: fields in control file
[23:09] <asac> yes ... go ahead
[23:09] <asac> which homepage?
[23:09] <Dragonath> ok, I think I might have to wipe all the stuff and do a reinstall again
[23:09] <asac> upstream?
[23:09] <Dragonath> thanks for help though
[23:09] <asac> hmm
[23:10] <asac> ok
[23:10] <Dragonath> good night (it's night here) :)
[23:10] <asac> u2
[23:10] <Ubulette> pushed
[23:10] <Ubulette> !info prism
[23:10] <ubotu> Package prism does not exist in gutsy
[23:11] <Ubulette> !info prism hardy
[23:11] <ubotu> Package prism does not exist in hardy
[23:11] <Ubulette> pfff
[23:13] <asac> yes, tomorrow i will sponsor then
[23:13] <asac> i think we generated enough awareness for this upload
[23:14] <asac> Ubulette: so which main things are missing for our xulrunner package becoming stable
[23:14] <Ubulette> python
[23:15] <asac> one important thing i received so far is libxul-embedding-unstable.pc
[23:15] <asac> so other .pc files can easily Requires: the unstable cflags
[23:15] <asac> yeah right ... we have python
[23:15] <Ubulette> but it will be ubuntu specific right ?
[23:15] <Ubulette> unless you post it upstream
[23:15] <asac> i hop e we can send it upstream
[23:16] <Ubulette> i doubt benjamin will agree
[23:16] <asac> otherwise my build system patches would not be good for upstream
[23:16] <asac> s
[23:16] <asac> lets see
[23:16] <asac> ok .pc files
[23:17] <asac> is one thing ... what about obsolete headers?
[23:17] <asac> thats an upstream bug to not ship them in unstable, right?
[23:17] <asac> i mean they duplicate all other stable headers in unstable
[23:17] <asac> why not the obsolete headers
[23:17] <asac> ?
[23:18] <Ubulette> obsolete headers ?
[23:18] <asac> yes there is a obsolete dir in the stable include dir, but not in the unstable one
[23:18] <asac> those are needed for epiphany for instance
[23:19] <asac> (iirc)
[23:20] <Ubulette> I see duplicates .h, not .idl
[23:20] <Ubulette> looks like a bug to me
[23:21] <asac> you mean like no stable idls in unstable?
[23:21] <asac> hmm nsIFactory.idl is in both
[23:22] <asac> ok ... we have still the addons issue
[23:22] <asac> e.g. plugins is only read from one location
[23:22] <asac> (or was it extensions?)
[23:24] <Ubulette> extensions
[23:24] <Ubulette> plugins are not shared.. yet
[23:24] <asac> he?
[23:24] <asac> so extensions work?
[23:24] <asac> but plugins don't, right?
[23:24] <Ubulette> ok, idl are dupe too
[23:25] <asac> yes, still obsolete is missing in unstable includedir
[23:25] <asac> at least for me
[23:26] <Ubulette> no. I mean: ff3 is using /usr/lib/firefox-addons/plugins and /usr/lib/xulrunner-addons/extensions
[23:26] <asac> and /usr/lib/firefox-addons/extensions is not considered?
[23:26] <Ubulette> obsolete, why would you want that ?
[23:26] <asac> because some apps still use it :)
[23:26] <Ubulette> so far, there's no /usr/lib/firefox-addons/extensions
[23:27] <asac> and if they use unstable as well you have to add two pkg-config --cflags
[23:27] <asac> which is ugly as well
[23:27] <asac> i have no problem with it
[23:27] <asac> but sounds wrong imo to not put them in unstable
[23:27] <Ubulette> unstable just mean "not frozen yet", while obsolete is just obsolete = don't use it
[23:27] <Ubulette> +s
[23:28] <asac> yeah ... still stable headers go to unstable as well
[23:28] <asac> so obsolete should too
[23:28] <Ubulette> i think stable in unstable is a bug
[23:28] <asac> you could also understand unstable as "discouraged to use" ... which would make unstable a better candidate for obsolete then stable is
[23:28] <Ubulette> or it's wanted to be easier
[23:29] <asac> yes ... its for ease ... e.g. so just one pkg-config statement is enough
[23:29] <Ubulette> no, I just watched a video from benjamin. unstable = not frozen
[23:38] <Ubulette> you'd better hurry if you want to submit patches upstream. b2 is close
[23:39] <Ubulette> it may even be too late
[23:43] <asac> Tree is now closed for Beta 2 Bake Period. Only P1 blocking1.9 bugs or bugs with approvalM10 may land during this time.
[23:44] <asac> :)
[23:44] <Ubulette> yep
[23:47] <Ubulette> 2 weeks, still no prism. so much for "we love new packages, contribute to motu"
[23:50] <Ubulette> http://www.jonobacon.org/?p=1082
[23:51] <asac> bug 174219
[23:51] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 174219 in xulrunner "Please merge xulrunner 1.8.1.11-1 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174219
[23:51] <asac> is my
[23:54] <Ubulette> is your ?
[23:55] <asac> http://people.ubuntu.com/~dholbach/sponsoring/
[23:55] <asac> i have to do those that i am responsible for
[23:55] <asac> now that i think of it :) ... does prism have a bug and is ubuntu-universe-sponsors assigned?
[23:57] <Ubulette> bug 172484
[23:57] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 172484 in ubuntu "Please package Prism" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172484
[23:57] <Ubulette> why is lool responsible (with you) for xulrunner ?
[23:57] <asac> yeah in future ubuntu-revu needs to be subscribed to get revu review ... and once that is done ubuntu-universe-sponsors
[23:58] <asac> sorry for not teaching you that properly ;)
[23:58] <asac> Ubulette: no idea ... why lool
[23:59] <asac> he is interested in general desktop things?