[00:14] : I'm trying to get mythTV running on linux.. what capture card should I use? [00:15] anyone here? [00:16] hi [00:16] I'd recommend the Hauppauge PVR-150. I've used it and it works great [00:17] AlsMe, HD or SD [00:30] hey back [00:31] I'm just really new to this TVCapture stuff.. and I want to be sure it does HDTD, any clue if it does support this? [00:31] HDTV* [00:31] HDTD? [00:31] ah [00:32] do you use HDTV with it? [00:32] no, the PVR-150 doesn't do HDTV [00:32] or just analog [00:32] yes I do [00:32] ohh that's too bad [00:32] I would recommend a HDHomerun for HD [00:32] What are you system specs? [00:33] alright, and the other thing.. should I use MythTV with it? [00:33] yes [00:33] like MythTV will record it correct? and in which formats can I save it as? [00:34] afaik, HD will come in as compressed MPEG2-TS [00:34] I want to have this Capture card on my FileServer.. and then just save the Sessions on my Hard drive, so that I can pull it off when I want from my other computers [00:34] and this is all possible [00:35] great stuff! [00:35] well you can do a number of things then [00:35] really? [00:35] such as? [00:35] a) load a mythtv frontend on the other machines [00:35] on the client machines you mean? [00:35] b) transcode the shows after recording to whatever format you want [00:35] yes [00:35] the clients [00:36] you could use mytharchive and burn to DVD [00:36] brilliant :D [00:36] C) ^^ [00:36] well I don't really need to burn to DVD .. I just want to save shows that I don't have time to watch [00:36] then pull them off the server for viewing at another time [00:36] thats what mythtv does :) [00:36] great stuff [00:36] although you don't have to pull them off unless your short on space [00:36] now one more quick question [00:37] famous last words [00:37] right, I mean like download it off the server [00:37] but as for the question [00:37] yes, you can do that [00:37] I don't have an HDTV signal going to my house yet [00:37] I'm wondering when I update my service to digital.. what cables will I need [00:38] is there like an HDMI cable going to this capture card? or component video cables [00:38] yea, thats not going to be your last question [00:38] so..... [00:38] here it goes [00:38] what HD channels are you hoping to record? [00:38] sec, im going to need a drink [00:38] Tennis, (sports) soccer, alright.. I'll get a beer myself [00:39] well tennis, sports, soccer doesn't say much [00:39] and mostly anything else that I can find [00:39] what country are you from? [00:39] Canada [00:39] hmmm [00:40] we currently have something like 10 HD channels [00:41] rogue780, ping [00:42] this, HDHomerun.. is a box.. I need a HD card that goes into the PCI-E [00:42] hmm, im not from canada, so the best I can do is give you generic advice [00:42] where are you from? [00:42] USA [00:42] ahh [00:42] the HDHomerun is a dual HD tuner that connects via ethernet [00:43] and is pretty good for the price [00:43] temba!!! [00:44] there is also the pcHDTV 5500 which is a single HD tuner that is PCI [00:44] ahh, I like the sound of that [00:44] i believe it is $130 while the HDHomerun is $180 [00:44] USD of course :) [00:44] CAN :) is worth more now [00:44] so its probably cheeper if I get it through ebay [00:45] from the US [00:45] you can always pay in maple syrup too ;) [00:45] ... [00:45] I don't live in Quebec you know [00:45] mmmm, pancakes and canadian bacon [00:45] anyway.... [00:45] In Ontario, we don't deal with syrup [00:45] ah [00:45] lol.. yea anyways [00:46] I'm building a server first and I want it mainly for HDTV recording [00:46] so I'll just get the pci solution [00:46] so anyway with these cards, you will only be able to tune unencrypted channels [00:46] i'm not sure how thats dealt with in canada [00:46] really [00:46] :| [00:46] :( [00:46] yep [00:47] that's a piss-off [00:47] yes [00:47] is that why you don't view hdtv? [00:47] another solution would be to stream over firewire [00:47] i do view HDTV [00:47] foxbuntu!!! [00:47] I just don't view HDTV with a PVR-150 [00:48] tgm4883, evening [00:48] as that would be pretty impossible [00:48] foxbuntu, what do you know about canada [00:48] lmao.. its a nice place, come down sometime [00:48] but about the firewire, im not sure how canada deals with that either [00:48] kind of cold ATM tho :( [00:49] tgm4883, its cold and they are north of me [00:49] yea, I don't know either [00:49] :) [00:49] well, I'm looking for a good quality pci-e card [00:49] that can do hdtv [00:49] there are no supported pci express tuners [00:49] I found a few on newegg .. but I'm not sure if they work with Ubuntu [00:49] :s [00:49] AlsMe, afaik the pcHDTV 5500 isn't a pci-e card [00:50] and you're still left with the encryption problem [00:50] how do most people get around that? [00:50] AlsMe, we don't :) [00:51] when I visit newsgroups and stuff.. people have hd videos up and so those were all unencrypted? [00:51] be european! [00:51] or in some cases we stream firewire [00:51] AlsMe, well that would depend on what the videos were of, but yea probably unencrypted [00:51] directhex, I was a little while ago, but not anymore [00:51] I found Kitchen Nightmares [00:51] there are assorted getout options - only tune unencrypted content; get a cable set-top box which outputs unencrypted streams via firewire; do illegal things [00:51] like full HD .. and it was beautiful [00:52] yea... [00:53] Kitchen Nightmares is on FOX, which is a local channel which is unencrypted [00:53] but for me to change the output on the set-top box going through the firewire to the pc.... I need to manual change the channel on the top box [00:54] no, the channel gets changed via firewire [00:54] ahhh ;) [00:54] I like this :D [00:54] but again, im not sure if canada allows this [00:54] well I guess we'll never know then [00:55] okay I need a set-top box [00:55] in my case, most of what I watch is on the local channels (which are all unencrypted), for the few non local channels, i stream via firewire (ESPN, Discovery HD) [00:55] does my cable provider send that to me ? [00:56] afaik, yea [00:57] why don't you do everything over firewire? [00:57] any limitations when streaming via firewire? [00:57] well because A) I have a pcHDTV 5500 already, and B) I tend to record more than 1 show at a time [00:58] alrighty then.. sounds good [00:58] oh, and C) I haven't complained about the transmission of NBC yet [00:58] it's crappy on my STB [00:58] just that channel though [00:58] very strange [00:58] yea, that sucks [00:58] alright, so what firewire streaming device should I be using [00:58] crystal on my pcHDTV though [00:59] huh? [00:59] you stream directly from the STB to your computer [00:59] !firewire [00:59] Sorry, I don't know anything about firewire - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi [00:59] typically, your cable contract will mandate using an authorized set-top box, which you would need to obtain from your cable company [01:00] in yankland, they have a legal requirement to offer FW on request [01:00] yankland, sounds dirty [01:00] filthy [01:00] and fun :) [01:01] so the STB, should have a firewire output [01:01] in a perfect world, yes [01:02] right [01:02] thanks :) [01:02] in a perfect world, cale cos would use regular DVB-C, and sell you a CAm on request [01:02] why do they limit all this sheiB [01:02] $$$ [01:02] meh.. [01:02] fear of the unknown [01:03] teh digitals si teh piratz! [01:03] like seriously.. why encrypt channels [01:03] why not just let us view them [01:03] without hastle [01:03] drives me nuts.. and I'm just learning about all this stuff now [01:03] encrypting isn't a problem. i don;t mind that. i mind being forced into using a set-top box to decryot, when the technoogy to do it otherwise is widely available [01:04] its widely available where? [01:04] why not buy off ebay [01:04] and import ;) [01:06] tgm4883, sup? [01:07] I was checking to see if you new anything about canada and cable [01:07] AlsMe, because most of the time it's also illegal [01:08] all depends on algorithms & contracts [01:09] The Canadian Radio-television and Telecommunications Commission (CRTC) has adopted the same digital television standard for stations in Canada as the United States. The CRTC initially decided not to enforce a single date for transitioning to digital broadcasts, opting to let the economy decide when the switchover will occur. [01:09] useful at all? [01:10] for example, in poland, the polish satellite monopoly will sell you a CAM along with your subscription - a CAm can go into any capable tuner hardware like a set-top box or a dvb-s card, and allow you access to encrypted channels. conversely, Sky in the UK insist in their contract that only their sky-branded set top box is permitted, and those set-top boxes have integrated CAMs (using an encryption tech owned by sky's parent com [01:10] pany). if you use the viewing card in an unauthorized box, it gets locked out & blanked within 2 weeks [01:12] thanks guys... [01:12] accessing encrypted content in an Open manner is possible, if a) a CAM exists for accessing your provider's encryption mechanism b) your contract allows use of said CAM [01:12] I guess I'll wait a few more years [01:12] i access some encrypted channels from over-the-air dvb-t, using an official branded CAM [01:13] but i can't get sky, as they're violently against such technology [01:13] well I just want HD sports like TSN [01:13] and other Canadian stuff [01:13] so I'll just stream it over the STB [01:13] assuming yoru cable co allows you to [01:14] they might not [01:14] how will they know? [01:14] heh [01:14] if the firewire port is disabled it wont matter [01:15] righttt... [01:15] well I'm with cogeco.ca [01:15] so I'll check it out brb [01:16] http://www.cogeco.ca/en/digital_boxes_o.html [01:16] any good? [01:17] I don't think there's an STB with cogeco.. unless that is it [01:18] that would be an STB [01:21] looks like moto to me? [01:22] yep [01:22] looks like mine [01:22] only different color nubmers [01:23] doesn't say anything about a firewire output [01:23] well if it's a 6200, it has a firewire port [01:24] the moto dct 6200 is the canonical example [01:24] right, but just because it has a firewire port, doesn't mean it's active [01:25] yeah, that'll require bitching to your cableco. http://broadband.motorola.com/consumers/products/dct6200/ definitely looks like it to me though [01:25] cogeco* [01:25] hehe [01:26] I'll just call them up and ask if the port is active [01:27] so the firewire port will go right to my pc .. and I won't need a capture card.. just mythtv? [01:27] AlsMe, good luck getting a CSR that knows what firewire is much less if its active [01:27] then I'll speak to his manager and ask [01:27] ;) [01:27] lol [01:28] don't be surprised if they just say "no" to get rid of you [01:28] we don't do that in Canada :) [01:29] we're all pretty friendly here [01:29] ... this price of the STB is a lot!!! [01:29] wow.. 599.99 dollars [01:33] anyways, thanks a lot guys [01:33] I'm heading out === Sphagnum is now known as Tari [03:38] anyone around? [03:38] yep [03:40] is the right place to get help with installing sasc-ng? [03:40] i know nothing about sasc-ng [03:40] have you tried in #mythtv-users? [03:41] no what server is that channel on? [03:41] same [03:41] just /join #mythtv-users [03:42] k thx you [03:42] on freenode [03:42] but your on freenode so it should work [03:42] unless the web app restricts that [03:42] i forget how it is setup [03:42] cool i just on the java applet through the my web browser right now [03:43] yep [03:43] /join #mythtv-users [03:43] that should work [03:43] cool will do i'll try with mirc as well [03:44] also would you be able to help me out with a sound issue i'm mythbuntu? [03:44] perhaps [03:45] well its not working but it did detect my sound card its onboard alsa [03:45] onboard? [03:46] yea its onboard [03:47] ok, whats not working about it? [03:48] the sound isn't comming through my speakers [03:48] no sound at all? [03:48] none at all [03:48] have you tested outside of mythtv? [03:49] no i haven't actually i've checked the mixer setting everything seemed fine [03:49] try something outside of mythtv [03:51] this is the mobo i have http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131214 [03:52] MythbuntuGuest22, should have gotten the abit [03:54]

how come? [03:56] same chipset with a better design imo [03:58] i like the built in hdmi instead of addon header [03:58] cool i like the amd 690 with hdmi but at the time got this linux drive from ati were shit [03:58] drivers* === MythbuntuGuest22 is now known as Nightcrlr [04:02] definitely dont get a 690g board [04:02] not for linux htpc at least [04:03] yeah i'm going to stick with this one for now [04:03] so the abit board you are talking about is nvidia chipset wit hdmi out? [04:04] yeah [04:05] nice [04:05] now i wish i did get that board [04:05] http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813127028 [04:05] hdmi is so nice and clean [04:06] not much better than dvi(picture quality wise) [04:08] i didn't mean for video qualit but being able to pass 5.1 as well with smaller cleaner connet is nice [04:08] does this board have the capability to pass audio through hdmi? [04:10] yes but its not currently working in linux [04:10] alsa has the issue listed as a major bug so it may or may not be fixed [04:11] im using the optical anyway [04:11] cool [04:11] my onboard sound isn't working right now i have no idea why [04:12] i've tested it with windows, and i've had it working with linux mce [04:12] worked fine for me [04:13] i'm using mythbuntu 710 right now... is there a quick command that i can type in terminal to update the sound drivers? [04:14] i would lspci and make sure its detecting the device first [04:15] then look in mixer and see if it shows the nvidia device [04:16] yeah mixer is diplaying #0 HDA NVidia [04:16] is volume cranked all the way up? [04:17] yeah [04:19] lspci and i see it is detected [05:40] anyone ever have problems with mythdvd throwing read errors? [05:40] 23:09:55: Error: DVDISOCopyThread dvd device read error [05:44] there seems to be some issues with the latest ubuntu and some dvd/cd/burners - Not sure what the exact problem is.. the forums seem to think its a kernel bugglet [05:45] this is the first dvd I have seen it happen on [05:45] requested another disc from netflix so we will see if that one works better or not [05:46] could been a bad blank dvd.. or are you ripping a dvd? ahh.. Hmm [05:46] I tried it on 2 different dvd burners too [05:46] ripping a dvd to an iso [05:46] to play from the hard drive [05:46] try the normal dd command perhaps? [05:46] nope, I have not [05:47] ive heard guys at work claim that some 'dvd's they cant copy with their windows software.. but i never bother with the stuff.. [05:48] let me see if it will actually play [05:48] the rip starts, but fails a few minutes in every time [05:49] dvd doesn't look very badly damaged, but who know [05:49] I need to get one of those dvd/cd polishers one of these days [05:49] I have one, waste of money [05:50] basically sands down the disc then tries to repolish it [05:50] also I think netflix would be pissed if I did that and then sent it back [05:52] dvd playback crashed [05:52] maybe its just a bad disc [05:53] or some hackjob attempt at copy protection that breaks things [05:54] Im not sure how one can even copy protect a dvd more.. [05:54] Id be irked that netflix sent me a bad disk. :) but im to cheap to rent dvds anyway [05:54] McDonolds has movies for $1 a day - im too cheap for that. [05:55] well they are gonna send me a new one out tomorrow [05:55] will be here friday [05:55] not like I don't have 2 others sitting here, and I'm not planning on watching them right this instance anyways [05:55] too busy playing mario galaxy... [05:55] Been thinking about getting that game.. [05:55] your first mistake is considering anything McDonalds does acceptable [05:56] if you have a wii you should get it [05:56] it is absolutely fantastic [05:56] I dont have any other games for my wii at this time.. other then that bowling/boxing/sports game. :) been playing my old GC games. [05:56] been waiting for that harvest moon game. or somting else the wife can play also. [05:56] it really is a must own [05:57] I can wait for it to hit the bargin bins/used stores. :) [05:57] it has a 2 player mode, but I think its more for helping younger kids play [05:57] I prefer harvest moon games on the ds myself, I like the ability to close it and let it go to sleep so I can randomly play while watching tv or something [05:57] Wife just liked the farming game... [05:58] and a few of the other simpiler "NintinDogs" ? i think game.. [05:58] it is an addictive game [05:58] and people think you are strange for playing a farming game [05:58] She got mad at Harvest Moon on the SNES when her cow died.. [05:58] hah [05:58] or was that on the PS. I forget.. [05:59] She cant handle the real 3d world of a lot of the games.. she gets confused. [05:59] She does like the Wii bowling [05:59] you should grab a copy of wiiplay [06:00] well worth it when you consider its basically the price of a controller anyways [06:00] I think i got that and wii sports. :) they came with the wii when i got it some deal they had. [06:00] ah ok [06:00] thats it for my wii games. [06:00] big brain academy is pretty good, though a bit pricey for what you get IMO [06:01] Then i grabbed a wireless GC controller. and been playing GC games on my wii. I kept the GC so i can play GBA games on the TV :) [06:01] same here [06:01] also the part where ebgamestop offers you like $10 for your GC [06:01] I never did finish Zelda Wind Breaker, :) or the paper Mario yet. [06:01] both good games [06:01] zelda for the wii is good too [06:01] GC games are also down to like $10 each used now. :) [06:02] as is paper mario [06:02] Issue i have with the wii is that its hard for me to vedge out on the couch and play some of the games.. gotta be too mobile.. heh heh [06:02] too lazy to play the wii. [06:02] well thats the games you are playing [06:02] like mario galaxy, the extend of moving is shaking the wiimote to make mario do a spinmove [06:03] games like RE4 and metroid prime you just point at the screen [06:03] Noticed that way too many DS games are using the PEN thing also when its not really needed.. just because they can i guess. [06:03] well its the obligatory "ds functionality" they have to toss in everything they make [06:03] zelda for the ds was pure stylus control though, and fantastic [06:05] and i aint going to even try it - because i hate the stylus. :) [06:05] you should go look for a demo somewhere [06:05] it works very very well [06:05] also things like the stylus pen help for longer gameplay [06:05] instead of using that tiny thing [06:06] I still think advance wars is the best ds game though, been out since launch and I still play it [06:09] Yep - i liked Advanced wars.. the sequal was neat in ways.. but it seemed that too many levels were just made tough by being outgunned at the start 10 to 1 [06:09] I never really played the gba ones, just the ds one, but I played the heck out of that game [06:09] it was all about who you picked and what powers you used really [06:10] Hmm.. Im not even sure i got the DS one now that you mention it... [06:10] may have to check that out. [06:10] it came out when the ds did [06:10] so you could prob find a used copy cheap now [06:10] Oh wait i did. it had the upper and lower combat maps. i rember now.. [06:10] new one will be out next year too [06:10] ya [06:10] that stuff was a pain [06:10] new one is going to have interweb play too [06:12] gonna disappear for a bit to play some galaxy [06:13] Hmm. What was that ball rolling into a bigger ball game.. wife may like tha tone [11:15] Hello! Is it possible with Mythtv to browse a CD so that, if it contains audio, video or picture files, whatch them without the need to import them? [12:52] hello [12:53] I have a question about how to turn off ACPI on boot up. I am new to XFCE. [12:54] How to do I turn ACPI on boot off? Any help will be greatly appreciated. [12:55] add "noacpi" as a kernel boot parameter in menu.lst [12:55] but turning off acpi is bad for your health. some modern systems won't boot without it [12:55] Maybe there is another option then, and I will describe the problem. [12:56] I have a motherboard with onboard video (GeForce6100). It also has a PCIe slot. [12:56] I want to add a PCIe card for DVI output. [12:57] When I do this, I first connect the video monitor to the analog out on the PCIe card. [12:57] The system boots to a black screen. [12:57] I do adjust the BIOS so that it initializes the PCIe first on boot. [12:58] The BIOS does not allow me to disable the onboard video and there is no jumper on the motherboard to disable it. [12:58] The PCIe card is a GeForce 8400GS. [12:59] What could cause the black screen from simply adding a PCIe card? [12:59] Could this be an ACPI issue? [13:00] when you say "boots to a black screen", there is never any output at all? [13:02]