=== Drazha750 is now known as Drazha [01:28] anybody know what the diff is between the APC UPS BR & XS models? [01:28] the total power capacity I believe [01:29] 16a vs 32a or something like that [01:29] don't recall [01:32] http://microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0248208 vs http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16842101066 [01:32] Probably best to take a look at apc's website, not there :) [01:33] true... [01:37] apc isn't much help... they only list the RS (BR1300LCD) [01:38] 'lo [02:07] pteague: call a sales representative [02:10] you want me to use that archaic thing? i thought that went away with email & IMs ;o) === Drazha557 is now known as Drazha === ember_ is now known as ember [02:38] hi guys [02:39] im trying to preseed edubuntu so i added this line: tasksel tasksel/first multiselect standard,edubuntu-desktop but it doesn't seem to work, i dont get any gui [02:39] not sure why it wouldnt work [02:39] tried it without the standard too [02:45] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallCDCustomization [02:45] https://help.ubuntu.com/6.10/ubuntu/installation-guide/i386/appendix-preseed.html [02:46] read over it many times [02:46] thanks though [02:47] have it printed in front of me too [02:47] read it again? :) [02:48] lol [02:50] only think i can think of is that edubuntu-desktop isn't valid but it shows on tasksel --list-tasks [02:50] have you tried preseeding tasksel/first multiselect standard,lamp-server [02:50] for example? [02:51] that'd quickly tell you [02:51] thats what the default was [02:51] i just changed it [02:51] i get an install just no gui [02:51] lamp-server was the default? [02:52] well, from the preseed file i downloaded to start with [02:52] the one that the 2nd link you posted links to [02:52] i started with that then modified it [02:54] interesting though when i type tasksel --list-tasks [02:54] i get [02:54] i edubuntu-desktop Edubuntu desktop [02:54] all the other listings have a 'u' not an 'i' [02:56] that means it's installed :P [02:56] ahh ok [02:56] running that on the server, so that makes sense === Drazha212 is now known as Drazha === ajmitch_ is now known as ajmitch === Drazha849 is now known as Drazha === dendrobates is now known as dendro-away === Drazha329 is now known as Drazha [06:03] Greetings.. what do I need to install to be able to use regexp:/etc/postfix/ in my main.cf? [06:04] I have the package postfix-pcre installed [06:05] If I try.. "postmap regexp:/etc/postfix/virtual" I get the error.. postmap: fatal: dict_mkmap_func: unsupported dictionary type: regexp: Is the postfix-regexp package installed? [06:05] .. but the package 'postfix-regexp' doesn't exist. [06:12] dang it... how do i enable my mdadm partition again in gutsy? [06:22] yay for google... i hope i don't have to run this command every time i reboot to get it to create md0 === Drazha25 is now known as Drazha [07:09] for some reason samba can't find my users even though i've deleted the users & re added them === Drazha873 is now known as Drazha [08:22] moin === Drazha144 is now known as Drazha === macd_ is now known as macd === Drazha730 is now known as Drazha === Drazha378 is now known as Drazha [10:59] Hello all .. any suggestions where to start looking for problems with my Ubuntu Server box? Ram is good, hdd are all good, CPU/Mobo are good (far as I can tell) .. and there isn't dille'o for logs .. but it just quits randomly .. help? [11:01] I've been running several terminals ssh'ed into my server .. one with tail -f -n 25 /var/log/messages and another with top and yet another with tail -f -n 25 /var/log/dmesg just to see if something happens just before it stops serving .. [11:01] looked at syslog? [11:03] bettong: yeah, but not today .. I'll include it when it comes back online .. I hate it when they act like this .. lol .. gimme an error so I can track it friggin' box! .. KICK .. box [11:03] eheheh know what you mean [11:04] * bettong is trying to make jira work. seriously. just avoid the *fking* thing :| [11:04] * NineTeen67Comet heads over to google look up jira .. :) [11:05] ah, proprietary java app [11:05] bug tracker? [11:05] used for "workflow" stuff [11:05] yeah, among other things [11:05] aha .. not that far into my stuff yet to need that kind o'thang [11:05] its an all singing/all dancing issue/bugs/support request/etc tracking [11:05] * bettong finds it fairly horrible [11:06] * bettong finds trac quite nice looking, but not tried it properly yet [11:08] i plan to play with track RSN :/ [11:08] well all, it is bed time here so hopefully my sites will stay up tonight and let the users finally start posting junk .. Might be a good excuse for new hardware .. heheheheh [11:08] bed. now thats a plan [11:08] night all! === Drazha236 is now known as Drazha === Drazha240 is now known as Drazha [11:54] lamont: Do you plan on doing the cyrus-sasl2 merge? === Drazha893 is now known as Drazha === Drazha392 is now known as Drazha === dendro-away is now known as dendrobates === Drazha166 is now known as Drazha === joerlend is now known as XiXaQ [13:51] hrmpf. someone wanna file a bug about the postfix-regexp thing above, if it's really a bug? [13:51] * lamont takes kids to school [17:18] is there a GUI for creating and managing software RAIDs on ubuntu-server? [17:25] hi guys [17:27] back to working on my preseed network install. i have everything install but i don't end up with gnome or any other gui. Can't figure out why. [17:27] Also, do I need to restart something after changing my preseed.cfg before another install starts? [17:30] wow it's quiet! [17:30] Goosemoose: tell me about it. :( [17:31] lol [17:32] Solarion: Ubuntu-server has no GUI, so no. [17:32] ScottK: that sucks. :( [17:32] heh [17:32] Solarion: Many of us consider that a feature. [17:33] a very important feature at that [17:33] ScottK: What do you define as "no GUI" [17:33] No X server. [17:33] ok [17:33] then claiming that "ubuntu-server has no gui, therefore there's no gui tool to do x" is absurd [17:34] I didn't say there was no GUI tool. I said that ubuntu-server didn't have one. Not the same thing at all. [17:34] Fine. Within your terminology, then, is there a GUI tool to configure and maintain a RAID in Ubuntu? [17:35] Solarion: You're not going to like this answer either. I don't know as I've never looked for one. Ubuntu support (that isn't ubuntu-server specific) can be found in #ubuntu. [17:35] ok. [17:35] Someone else may chime in with an actual answer, but most of us here aren't very GUI focues. [17:35] focues/focused. [17:36] Goosemoose: I don't understand your question. Restart something after you've updated your preseed? Where is your preseed? [17:36] personally, I don't care, but my boss is a big Apple man. [17:36] hence, if there's a nice GUI to config/admin, Linux is much more likely to be used. [17:36] soren, the preseed is on the network [17:36] Fortunately, OSX doesn't seem to do software RAID5. [17:36] Goosemoose: http? [17:37] Solarion: soren has a plan to package ebox for Hardy. I doubt it's tools support that level of work, but that's the "GUI" support idea. [17:37] Goosemoose: And what would you think should get restarted? I'm not sure I follow? [17:37] soren, yes [17:37] soren, not sure , it's just not following my changes. thought maybe the tftp server [17:37] ScottK: thanks for the pointer. [17:38] Goosemoose: You're starting new installs and your old preseed files are being used? [17:38] ncurses is gui :-) [17:38] There is that. [17:38] looks like ebox is already in gutsy [17:38] Solarion: It's really not. [17:38] soren, i can't really tell if it's an old one of i'm just entering something wrong in the preseed file [17:38] the program is i end up with no gui [17:38] soren: oh? [17:39] tasksel tasksel/first multiselect edubuntu-desktop [17:39] Solarion: Only the very, very basic stuff is there. It's nowhere near a usable state. [17:39] soren: ah. That would explain it. [17:39] Goosemoose: And you're surprised you get a desktop? [17:39] i dont! [17:39] Goosemoose: Ah. [17:40] no matter what i chnage I just get a non-gui login prompt [17:41] Goosemoose: You're installing over the network? [17:41] yes [17:42] Goosemoose: Oh, right, via apt-cacher? That was you? [17:42] have 250 computers to setup [17:42] yeah [17:42] that's me :) [17:42] Hang on [17:43] i got apt-cacher working ok it seems [17:44] Goosemoose: Everything else in your pressed is applied properly? [17:46] yes i think so [17:46] except for one thing [17:46] i commented out the host name [17:46] hoping that it would prompt me [17:46] but it just names is owner-pc [17:46] names 'it' [17:51] Goosemoose: are you sure that you wanna install edubuntu-desktop ? [17:53] why not? [17:53] its for a high school [17:53] i could just stick normal ubuntu [17:53] then install the extra programs [17:53] this didn't get me a desktop either: [17:53] tasksel tasksel/first multiselect standard, kde-desktop [17:55] kubuntu-desktop [17:56] ubuntu-standard [17:56] i ran tasksel --list-tasks and it listed edubuntu-desktop as an option [17:58] im actually not running ltsp so maybe i don't need to install edubuntu [17:58] could just get ubuntu plus addons [17:59] so is it: [17:59] tasksel tasksel/first multiselect ubuntu-standard [17:59] or [17:59] tasksel tasksel/first multiselect standard,ubuntu-standard [17:59] ubuntu-minimal, ubuntu-standard, ubuntu-desktop [18:00] ok so i want ubuntu-desktop [18:00] will try it now [18:00] tasksel tasksel/first multiselect ubuntu-desktop [18:01] ubuntu-desktop doesn't depend ubuntu{minimal,standard} [18:01] +- [18:01] what do you mean by that? [18:02] that you probably want to select all of those three. [18:02] wouldn't it install all three at once though? [18:02] why would it? [18:03] i thought the purpose of the preseed was to list the options that should be chosen [18:03] and why shouldn't it? [18:03] yes... [18:03] that's my understanding as well [18:03] doesn't ubuntu-desktop include the other by default? [18:03] how can you have a desktop without the minimial [18:03] no [18:03] hmm [18:04] so you're saying do [18:04] tasksel tasksel/first multiselect ubuntu-minimal,ubuntu-standard,ubuntu-desktop [18:04] yes [18:05] ok ill try that now [18:05] one other question before i try [18:05] shouldn't #d-i netcfg/get_hostname string unassigned-hostname make it prompt me for a computer name? [18:05] it's auto assigning it [18:06] no idea [18:19] partitioning takes way too long [18:20] is there a good reason to create separate /home /usr /var and /tmp partitions in a situation like this? [18:20] it just seems to take way too long to do without much benefit [18:22] Goosemoose: because if you just have / as a directory and it fills up then you are screwed [18:24] how would it fill up any differently? this is for a school, so all files will be stored on the network [18:24] will likely end up reimaging machines every 6 months anyways [18:27] I can't figure out why it won't ask me for the hostname! [18:27] it's grabbing names from dhcp [18:28] Goosemoose: try to ask in #ubuntu-installer [18:28] ahh didn't know that existed [18:35] no responses in there [18:37] takes about 30 minutes to partition! [18:38] damnit, still no gui! [18:39] just got a login prompt [18:39] i dont get it! [18:43] Goosemoose: ask #ubuntu. those people like GUIs. we don't. [18:44] lol [19:33] well got some help in the installer [19:33] still can't figure out why the clients don't install a gui from what the preseed tells it though [20:40] dendrobates: you around? [20:41] Burgundavia: yep [20:41] dendrobates: have you seen this likewise stuff? [20:41] http://www.likewisesoftware.com/community/ [20:42] I have had it for a couple weeks. [20:42] figured [20:42] does it work? [20:42] Burgundavia: I am packaging it for hardy today. [20:42] yes it works. [20:42] is it samba based? [20:43] the live demos look very cool. [20:43] shame I'd never be able to convince my superiors to join a Linux server to a windaz AD [20:43] i was checking it out too, beats the last 2 weeks i spent getting everything to sync to AD [20:43] ARe they charging for it or not? [20:43] looks like a commercial product [20:43] coffeedude: are you around to explain better? [20:44] fyi http://www.linux-watch.com/news/NS2350659361.html [20:45] it was demo'd at uds. [20:46] it has a form of group policies for linux? [20:46] that is the commercial part. [20:46] ahh ok [20:46] it lets you use GPO's to manage linux. [20:47] sweet, too bad that's not free! [20:47] The open source part is the domain joining part. [20:48] there have been lots of people doing GPO stuff for Linux and nobody has open sourced any of it [20:48] so, the open source stuff [20:48] open source still includes the logins as well correcT? [20:48] you can join it to a domain, use usernames/passwords? [20:48] uid/gid mapping? [20:48] cached credentials? [20:48] looks like it [20:48] yep [20:48] i was doing that with all the conf file before [20:48] takes forever [20:48] I'm interested, but not interested to un-roll all of my libnss-ldap/libpam-ldap/openldap stuff [20:49] how polished is it dendrobates? can you backport to feisty? [20:49] I see it more for windows admins that want to try an Ubuntu server. [20:49] if i can get this damn preseed file to work i'd be in business :) [20:50] dendrobates: ah, so not a libnss-ldap/libpam-ldap replacement? [20:50] fujin_: this actually joins your sytem to the domain. [20:50] it is a replacement [20:50] 'join to the domain' is pretty buzz-friendly [20:51] basically, what I want to know is: [20:51] where does it fit with the existing auth-client-config stuff in Feisty? [20:51] it also allows you to use your domain usernames [20:51] it is a technical term. [20:51] hardly, it's a m$ term [20:51] 'join to the domain' = "use this ldap server" [20:51] it means more than just use the ldap server [20:51] fujin_: you are incorrect. [20:51] it puts the computer into the tree [20:52] screws with dns stuff ont eh computer, etc. [20:52] it has been a long time since I have played with AD. I need to do that again [20:53] Burgundavia: it does not yet fit into auth-client-config, but it could eventually. [20:53] right, and given it requires mono-winforms, does it provide its own GUI for joining? [20:54] Burgundavia: yes [20:54] can you join from the CLI? [20:54] none of my servers will ever run X [20:54] fujin_: yes. [20:54] dendrobates: are we planning to replace that with a generic "join to domain or auth against OpenLDAP server"? [20:55] Burgundavia: the gui portion you mean? [20:55] yes [20:55] anyway, I have to run [20:55] Burgundavia: I don't know, I kept mentioning it at UDS/Allhands, but the desktop guys did not seem too excited [20:56] It is worth bringing up again. [20:57] you tell em [20:57] does hardy fix any preseed bugs? [20:57] Goosemoose: Likewise Open is GPL v3. Likewise Enterprise is Likewise Open + additional commercial pieces. [20:57] hey coffeedude [20:58] likewise open will support ad users as login names right? [20:58] yeah, in the format domain\username [20:58] coffeedude: welcome. I'm working on hardy packaging for likewise-open as we speak. [20:58] watch the videos Goosemoose :) [20:58] good, im ready to test it, i have to roll out 250 machines [20:59] if i can just fix this damn preseed file ! [20:59] dendrobates: btw...we're writing a GTK+ port of the GUI join tool that should be ready in a week I think. [20:59] i did get domain logins working by editing about 10 conf files and following the docs, but hadn't found an easy way to work that into my network install [20:59] Goosemoose: yes. Plus userPrincipalName logons and supports a nam mapping file. [20:59] cool [21:00] Goosemoose: http://lists.likewisesoftware.com/pipermail/likewise-open-discuss/2007-December/000003.html [21:01] coffeedude: is the weather in AL as nice as it is here? [21:02] coffeedude, cool. still looks like it might be a little late for me then as i have to get these up in the next week or two [21:04] dendrobates: yeah. Nice day. [21:05] coffeedude: makes me wish I didn't just sit in my basement all day. [21:05] Goosemoose: Your call. I've got a lot of stuff on my whiteboard for likewise-open. [21:05] dendrobates: got a window? [21:05] coffeedude: not in this room [21:05] dendrobates: ewwwwww..... [21:05] coffeedude: if I lean really far I can see out a door. [21:06] dendrobates: how about a lava lamp? [21:06] coffeedude: nope,I have a sparc server howling at me like a jet engine though. [21:07] coffeedude, could it be used right now in 7.10? [21:07] I seriously need a better work space. [21:07] Goosemoose: Yup. That's what I'm running on. [21:08] I do have a few things to clean up for the next release. But I eat my own dogfood daily on my laptop. [21:08] Goosemoose: so I have confidence in it. [21:09] coffeedude: does you testing framework depend on it it being installed in /opt? I have had to move everything around. [21:10] coffeedude, are you connecting the computers via a script or the gui? i need to automate as much of this as possible [21:10] dendrobates: Nope. What ever you like. /opt was the least controversial. [21:10] Both. [21:10] Goosemoose: both utilities have the same end result. [21:10] Goosemoose: although I aplogize in advance for lack of man pages right now. [21:11] * coffeedude starts on the gitweb installation.... [21:12] coffeedude, awesome. are you preseeding over a network by any chance? i need to find a better example as I'm not getting a gui [21:12] and I need to figure out how to get a prompt for the computer name still [21:12] Goosemoose: SIGWIFE....hold on asec. [21:12] ok [21:15] `domainjoin-cli setname foo && domainjoin-cli join domain.com Administrator` [21:15] Goosemoose: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ [21:15] that's it? [21:15] Yup. [21:16] wow [21:16] will prompt you for the admin password to join the domain. [21:16] are you working this in automatically with an install? [21:16] Goosemoose: you mean "apt-get install likewise-open" or the Ubuntu installer? [21:16] yes [21:17] something i can add to a preseed install [21:17] dendrobates: is leading the packaging decisions right now. [21:17] I have to grab a run before it starts getting dark. Back later., [21:18] the current plan is for this to be an option in the Hardy installer [21:18] so there is no apt-get currently, correct? [21:19] nope. I plan to upload it to Hardy soon. [21:19] ok, cool [21:19] just working through some minor issues. [21:19] i'll get back to screwing around with my networking install first, ill need that working anyways [21:19] thanks for the hard work :) [21:19] and the thing takes foreer to build in my vm. [21:20] will work great at our school [21:20] ahh yes [21:20] ive had to compile my java program in a vm [21:20] very slow [21:20] brb [21:20] and debclean not actually clean it, it leaves mdb's and such. and debuild chokes on it. [21:21] you're using the CLI debian policy? [21:24] ajmitch: I am planning on splitting out the mono part, so I have not looked. The package was not policy compliant in other ways though. [21:24] ajmitch: would you like to help with that part? [21:25] if you wish [21:25] do you have this in a bzr branch or similar? [21:26] not yet, I wil soon. [21:26] ok [21:28] * ajmitch hopes that a winforms-using app doesn't look horribly out of place [21:32] ajmitch: It did a little during the UDS demo, so it is good to hear a gtk+ version is near. [21:35] that's good, hopefully near enough for hardy? [21:37] should be. [22:11] isn't there a way to install one of the tasksel options after you've been through the installation process? [22:16] ah sudo tasksel install task [22:37] hey sommer [22:38] anyone know why i'd end up with no gui after doing a preseed install [22:43] anyone see something wrong with this line: tasksel tasksel/first multiselect ubuntu-minimal,ubuntu-standard,ubuntu-desktop