| === Am|Birthday is now known as Amaranth | ||
| ion_ | http://pages.plotinka.ru/~cyciron/chinauser.jpg | 16:30 |
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| Keybuk | I. | 18:50 |
| Keybuk | HATE. | 18:50 |
| Keybuk | UNIX. | 18:50 |
| Keybuk | specifically Linux | 18:50 |
| AlexExtreme | why's that? | 18:51 |
| Keybuk | so there's this syscall | 18:51 |
| Keybuk | waitid | 18:51 |
| Keybuk | it has this nice WNOWAIT option | 18:51 |
| Keybuk | it means you can "peek" at the top of the wait list without actually taking things off | 18:51 |
| AlexExtreme | yep | 18:52 |
| Keybuk | except the fucking wait fucking list can fucking change | 18:52 |
| Keybuk | so if you waitid (..., WNOWAIT) | 18:52 |
| Keybuk | and then waitid () afterwards | 18:52 |
| Keybuk | you may have just taken a different event off than you had before | 18:52 |
| AlexExtreme | ah | 18:54 |
| * Keybuk beats his head against the wall | 18:54 | |
| Keybuk | init: Failed to detach traced test (#0) main process (6132): No such process | 19:06 |
| Keybuk | ?! | 19:06 |
| Keybuk | scott 6132 0.0 0.0 3668 136 ? S 19:00 0:00 /tmp/test | 19:06 |
| Keybuk | LOOK, THERE IT IS | 19:06 |
| Keybuk | attach: ptrace(PTRACE_ATTACH, ...): Operation not permitted | 19:06 |
| Keybuk | AND I KNOW YOU HAVE A TRACE ON IT | 19:06 |
| * Keybuk gets angry | 19:07 | |
| Keybuk | oh, I know this one | 19:07 |
| Keybuk | you can't detach from the process without first sending it a signal | 19:08 |
| AlexExtreme | a quote from something I read today "UNIX is stupid" | 19:08 |
| Keybuk | anyway | 19:13 |
| Keybuk | :-) | 19:13 |
| Keybuk | http://pastebin.com/m692d8cd2 | 19:13 |
| Keybuk | \o/ | 19:13 |
| AlexExtreme | neat | 19:14 |
| Keybuk | FOUR WEEKS of fucking work | 19:15 |
| AlexExtreme | makes my 103 line init program look like total bollocks ;) | 19:15 |
| Keybuk | I feel like running out into the rain, screaming UUUUULLLLLAAAAAHHHH or something into the air | 19:15 |
| Keybuk | and then checking myself into a mental asylum | 19:15 |
| AlexExtreme | haha | 19:15 |
| Keybuk | something which should be *so* simple | 19:15 |
| Keybuk | now to tidy up the code, the scary if statements, etc. | 19:49 |
| Keybuk | and commit | 19:49 |
| AlexExtreme | <Keybuk> I. | 19:50 |
| AlexExtreme | <Keybuk> HATE. | 19:50 |
| AlexExtreme | <Keybuk> UNIX. | 19:50 |
| AlexExtreme | <Keybuk> specifically Linux << I should digg that, "Ubuntu's Development Manager hates Linux" :P | 19:50 |
| Keybuk | heh | 19:50 |
| Keybuk | we decided that wasn't our job title anymore | 19:50 |
| Keybuk | I'm "Ubuntu Desktop Team Manager" now | 19:50 |
| Keybuk | (since my team is now the desktop team, rather than the "red team") | 19:50 |
| AlexExtreme | heh | 19:50 |
| AlexExtreme | fine, fine: "Ubuntu's Desktop Team Manager hates Linux" | 19:51 |
| AlexExtreme | :p | 19:51 |
| Keybuk | Colin is the Ubuntu Platform Team Manager | 19:51 |
| AlexExtreme | I know I keep asking, but is there any possibility of a fully native upstart boot sequence getting into hardy? | 19:55 |
| AlexExtreme | or rather, keep asking after every ubuntu release | 19:56 |
| Keybuk | hardy? no | 20:23 |
| Amaranth | I've been asking that since edgy :P | 20:31 |
| Keybuk | remember, I'm not an ubuntu developer :p | 20:32 |
| Keybuk | Upstart is my spare time, personal project | 20:32 |
| Keybuk | so I'm more cautious than usual about "putting it in" simply because I know I don't have the time to fix it when it breaks | 20:32 |
| thom | Keybuk: is it likely that canonical will commit resources to upstart in a reasonable timescale? | 20:51 |
| Keybuk | thom: no idea, I'd probably be quite annoyed if they did since it's my project | 20:58 |
| thom | how can canonical justify *not* commiting any resources to their default init system? | 21:08 |
| thom | to put it more bluntly | 21:09 |
| Keybuk | Canonical didn't commit any resources to sysvinit when that was the Ubuntu default? | 21:09 |
| Keybuk | I don't think anybody does, in fact :-) | 21:10 |
| thom | they didn't write it, and more than just ubuntu used it by default | 21:10 |
| Keybuk | it seems like you're talking around a point you want to make? | 21:10 |
| thom | not really | 21:10 |
| thom | it just seems unfortunate that ubuntu has a chance to really lead something | 21:10 |
| thom | and isn't | 21:10 |
| Keybuk | Upstart development is slow mostly not because I don't have enough time | 21:11 |
| Keybuk | but because it involves solving hard problems | 21:11 |
| Keybuk | and nobody else seems interested in them | 21:11 |
| thom | i'll try and put my point better in a minute; i need to finish a classics essay first :) | 21:13 |
| Keybuk | ... :-) | 21:54 |
| thom | a minute was maybe hopeful | 21:54 |
| thom | references are PITA | 21:55 |
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