[00:04] <Seivan|> What application could I use to unpack tars in XFCE?
[00:04] <rici> anyone know how to configure what application starts up when an audio CD is inserted?
[00:06] <Seivan|> What application could I use to unpack tars in XFCE? and when I rightclick there is an command called "open xfce4 command prompt here" it doesnt really do anything
[00:06] <thruxton> Seivan|: a gui app you mean?
[00:07] <Seivan|> thruxton: yes
[00:07] <ere4si> Seivan| : the terminal works good - tar -xvf /path/to/file - if it is tat.gz then - tar -xvzf /path/to/file
[00:07] <ere4si> *tar
[00:08] <Seivan|> ere4si: well I know but I just want to work that out
[00:08] <thruxton> Seivan|: if you must use a gui, then `file roller' will do that
[00:08] <thruxton> Seivan|:  file-roller i mean
[00:09] <thruxton> probably thunar knows what to do with archives too
[00:10] <Seivan|> thruxton: no its gnome
[00:22] <rici> thruxton: ah, thunar was the answer to my question
[00:23] <thruxton> rici: yeah, sorry i didnt notice your question :-/
[00:23] <rici> now i just need to figure out how to tell rhythmbox to play a cd
[00:23] <rici> "There was an error lanuching the default action command associated with this location" (Help / Contents)
[00:26] <rici> i have this theory that google is making documentation obsolete.
[00:26] <rici> people just write code, and let a million monkies figure out by random experimentation how it works,
[00:27] <rici> trusting the successful monkeys to post the information to a blog somewhere, which google will pick up.
[00:27] <zoredache> rici: it only works for useful programs...
[00:27] <zoredache> or perhaps popular programs...
[00:27] <rici> ah, found the monkey
[00:28] <rici> "after a bit of command line experimentation, I 've found the following:..."
[00:28] <rici> comment number five on a random blog
[00:33] <Quarterlife> But writing documentation is so boring that you really can't expect anyone to do it.
[00:35] <Quarterlife> By the way, is the alternate install like the install before livecds came out?
[00:38] <thruxton> Quarterlife: it contains some extra stuff, like disk encryption for example
[00:39] <Quarterlife> Groovy.
[00:39] <rici> Quarterlife: i'd settle for a couple of hints
[00:39] <rici> i have a feeling that the feature i'm looking for doesn't exist.
[00:41] <zoredache> the alternate cd is based on the debian installer that came out with deb 3.0 I believe
[00:42] <zoredache> so it has been around for a long time
[00:42] <Quarterlife> Oh yes. Then it must be the one i hate a little.
[00:43] <zoredache> well there have been many improvments making easy enough that for a basic system you can usually just point on the enter key and have a working system by the time your done
[00:44] <zoredache> *pound* on the enter key
[00:44] <Quarterlife> Success! After 2 hours of downloading, I manage to burn it at 2x. This going to be a very long night...
[00:44] <evil_tech> i like the alternate cd >: D
[00:48] <Quarterlife> The nice catch here is that I only have a few days to make the system complete.
[01:14] <echosystm> how do i get divx/xvid and avi working in totem?
[01:15] <echosystm> is it the same for ubuntu and xubuntu?
[01:16] <crimsun> yes
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[04:28] <mozkaynak> can anyone suggest me some tweaks to decrease the booting time?
[05:35] <Ahmuck> does xubuntu have cd labels we can print and apply?  i have a lug meeting coming up soon, and would like to have 10 cd's ready
[06:38] <TheSheep> Ahmuck: unfortunately no
[06:40] <Ahmuck> :-(
[06:41] <Ahmuck> i came accross xubuntu because of another lug member that needed a low mem distro to use on his machine that was "desktop" ready.  never thought about it much before then.  however running it from a vm and after a psu blowup i had to use it for a couple of days on an old piii 550, i have new respect for xubuntu
[07:02] <TheSheep> Ahmuck: that's nice
[07:26] <sudo-ku> Has anyone else had problems booting a PPC mac (blue & white G3). When I turn the computer on, it just displays the face icon and folder folder witha question mark icon alternately.
[07:35] <sudo-ku> anyone?
[07:37] <ere4si> sounds like you wiped the hard drive then the install didn't work right ?
[07:38] <sudo-ku> i'll try a reinstall and see how it goes.
[07:38] <ere4si> read a bit more first
[07:39] <sudo-ku> okay
[07:39] <ere4si> md5 the disk first as well
[07:39] <sudo-ku> okay
[07:40] <ere4si> *the cd
[11:32] <Quarterlife> Hey. I got the alternate cd burned, and now I need help setting up LVM.
[12:33] <koszal> Quick (hopefully) question.  I've just installed xubuntu on my hp pavilion laptop but one thing is not working.  At the front there is a "panel" with audio buttons (loude/mute/...) and they are not working at all.  Do you know any module/settings I need to change to get them working?  Also there is a IR sensor in this "panel" (remote control came with this laptop) and it's not working - any ideas how to fix this?  Thank you in advance
[13:09] <ochosi> hi, i'm having trouble accessing /dev/video0 (owned by root). progs like camorama say they don't find my webcam UNLESS i start it with gksu. what's the deal?
[13:10] <ere4si> !gksu
[13:10] <ubotu> If you need to run graphical applications as root, use « gksudo », as it will set up the environment more appropriately. Never just use "sudo"! (See http://psychocats.net/ubuntu/graphicalsudo to know why)
[15:12] <bgergo94> hi
[15:12] <bgergo94> i have a problem with xubuntu
[15:13] <bgergo94> when i move the mouse a lots of white lines appears on the screen
[17:26] <thyrax> good morning/afternoon. Guys I'm doing a clean install of ubuntu getting it ready for my raid server which would you recommend is the best way to partition the disk at install? custom/manual or guided?
[17:26] <thyrax> should I use the entire disk?
[17:26] <vinze> *evening :P
[17:27] <thyrax> lol or evening
[17:40] <TheSheep> anybody have any idea how to block usb device mounting for everyone *not* in the plugdev group?
[17:44] <maristo> hello! Do you remember my problem with Brasero and Gnomebaker? I did solve it, I just have install Xfburn...
[18:13] <ere4si> TheSheep: isn't there a setting for external... something in users and groups? - log out is crapped here so I can't change to my admin and check
[18:26] <TheSheep> ere4si: that's the membership of the plugdev group, but doesn't do anything
[18:27] <ere4si> TheSheep: haven't been in users and groups for a while - and can't change to my admin without a reboot
[18:28] <TheSheep> ere4si: how so? what did you break?
[18:29] <ere4si> been using ubuntu since warty and after 3-4mnths on every release thing start failing - still on feisty
[18:31] <TheSheep> weird, if you don't do stupid things from root, linux shouldn't break
[18:32] <evil_tech> like doing chmod on every file in / >:D
[18:33] <ere4si> I've had nautilus, sudo, switch user, logout, Rhythmbox etc all go belly up and I always work from a user without admin rights - and now I have to reboot to check stuff...
[18:35] <ere4si> I've learnt to have a seperate /home/me partition and clear the dot files then install the new version
[19:04] <user123> Hi, I was informed that I could come here to ask question about Xubuntu.
[19:06] <evil_tech> yes
[19:07] <user123> Hi evil
[19:07] <evil_tech> hola
[19:08] <user123> I'm completely new to Linux, and the likes, but I have been wanting to try it out.
[19:09] <user123> I was recommended Ubuntu, and I went to the web page and looked at the different versions, and then after I "figured out" the diffirence between GIMP, KDE and xfce, I decided to give Xubuntu a shoot.
[19:11] <user123> I downloaded the image and tried it, and liked it. However, there are certain things about Xubuntu I can't quite figure out , and I was hoping that I could recieve some quick ansers here.
[19:11] <evil_tech> welcome to the folds of xubuntuness
[19:11] <zoredache_> so did you actually have a question?
[19:11] <user123> thanks
[19:11] <user123> hehe
[19:11] <user123> sorry
[19:13] <user123> Yes, first I had trouble finding the sound settings, (I found the system/mixer settings) but I couldn't find the sound setting that allows me to change the volume.
[19:13] <user123> the problem is that their is a background noise (I have the same problem with windows when I first install the sound driver, it's because ofa setting called "digital output").
[19:14] <user123> *there
[19:15] <user123> In WIndows I culd just double click on the systm tray sound icon and disable "Digital output", but I can't seem to find a similare function in Xubuntu.
[19:16] <evil_tech> its in Applications -> Settings Manager -> Sound
[19:16] <evil_tech> for the digial output anyways
[19:18] <evil_tech> as for volume control you have to add it to the panel
[19:18] <user123> The problem is that I'm currently running windos, so I can't chck that out, but does app/settM/Sound open a small windows with a list that can be checked/unchecked?
[19:18] <evil_tech> yes
[19:18] <user123> Hmm, I found that, but it didn' help...
[19:19] <user123> If I recall correctly I didn't see the "dig out", if you are sure it is there, then maybe I just missed it.
[19:20] <evil_tech> it should be there
[19:20] <user123> Then I just probably goofed up.
[19:20] <evil_tech> i dont have digital outt on mine so i dont have it but if you do thats where it should show up
[19:20] <evil_tech> might be called something different
[19:21] <user123> I will give that another try.
[19:21] <user123> Regarding that issue, thanks. I have another question regarding security if that's OK?
[19:21] <evil_tech> ok
[19:21] <user123> I read somewher, wait...
[19:21] <user123> "Windows/cars are not safe from viruses/theft unless you install an antivirus/lock the doors. Linux/motorbikes don't have viruses/doors, so are perfectly safe without you having to install an antivirus/lock any doors."
[19:22] <user123> From some linux forum article site.
[19:22] <user123> Is that true for all linux versions (like Xubuntu?)
[19:22] <evil_tech> no you dont need antivirus
[19:22] <user123> Or a firewall?
[19:22] <evil_tech> there is no reason for people to write virus' for linux as they wouldnt have as large an impact
[19:23] <user123> "a large impact" do you mean the user group or that the OS itself limits harmful behaviour?
[19:23] <evil_tech> user group
[19:24] <user123> But, that just means it's a question of time?
[19:24] <user123> No=
[19:24] <evil_tech> what point is there for someone who writes virus' to attack a user base a 5% when they could write one for windows which has ~90%
[19:24] <evil_tech> not just that there are many other security features built in
[19:25] <evil_tech> and problems are found and fixed quickly
[19:25] <user123> Yes, I understand your argument, and it's quite valid.
[19:25] <evil_tech> there is a firewall (iptables) but its not configured to do anything by default
[19:26] <evil_tech> zordache can better explain that one better than i
[19:27] <user123> Ok, now I was just curious on what satyprecaution I could take if I am going to run Xubuntu.
[19:28] <evil_tech> safety of what?
[19:28] <user123> Well, the usual, viruses, "hackers", trojans, etc.
[19:29] <evil_tech> no need in linux
[19:29] <evil_tech> most of it is built in
[19:29] <evil_tech> there are firewalls in the repositories if you want though
[19:30] <evil_tech> there is also ClamAV for virus protections if you want too
[19:31] <user123> Interesting, this will take some time to get use to, I will read more on security issues regarding linux.
[19:31] <user123> I just wanted to know the basics. Regarding this issue, thanks.
[19:32] <user123> I have some more wuestio if you have the time?
[19:32] <evil_tech> sure
[19:32] <user123> Thanks =)
[19:33] <thyrax> i need help
[19:33] <user123> First, I was wondering if there are anything like "ActiveDesktop" for Xubuntu?
[19:33] <thyrax> just wondering how people get the transparent terminal windows etc in linux :D
[19:33] <evil_tech> compositiing
[19:33] <evil_tech> compositing
[19:34] <evil_tech> i cant spell today
[19:34] <thyrax> spelling is so old fashioned
[19:34] <evil_tech> :D
[19:34] <evil_tech> next i'll start typing cisco ios commands
[19:35] <thyrax> then be careful not to mis-spell them
[19:35] <thyrax> from my experience with commands they don't tend to work if they aren't spelled/spelt right :D
[19:36] <thyrax> anyway how do I make my desktop sexy with transparancy without having to use up all my ram and processing power?
[19:37] <zoredache_> user123: the need of a firewall in Linux depends on what the computer is doing.  By default no services will be listening for network traffic.  That combined with the fact that most people have their computers behind a broadband router which is doing pat pretty much makes it so that you don't need to configure the firewall and you can leave it in its open state
[19:37] <w00boot> hello all
[19:37] <w00boot> anyone here?
[19:37] <zoredache_> if you had a linux host that was acting as a public facing web webserver you would probably want to protect it
[19:38] <zoredache_> !anyone
[19:38] <ubotu> A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?
[19:38] <w00boot> i recently made the switch from windows to xubuntu and i need a bit of help
[19:38] <user123> Hey Z, thanks for your input. I was planning to use Xubuntu for surfing and set up apache for local sites.
[19:38] <w00boot> im having issues with metacity
[19:40] <user123> When you have been using Windows most your life anti-virus and firwalls are the first basic things you need to install before doing anything else with your comp (atfer a win install, conencted to Internet, you will beinfected with a virus after some minutes; personal exp.)
[19:41] <user123> Regarding the question of "Active desk top" for Xubuntu/linux does anybdy know about that?
[19:42] <evil_tech> what do you mean by active desktop? web pages on the desktop like in windows or neato compositing effects?
[19:42] <user123> " web pages on the desktop like in windows" yes
[19:43] <evil_tech> dunno
[19:43] <evil_tech> never used it in windows and i dont use it in linux
[19:43] <evil_tech> unneccesary use of resources in my eyes
[19:44] <user123> Yes, but tink about it: having firefox integrated with the desktop (tab browsing and all) for a user that only wants to surf the web (and when all the services you need in you daily computer use are online) then that is really asweet feature.
[19:45] <zoredache> user123: I believe that most functionality of active desktop can be replicated on Linux,I just don't know the appliations.
[19:46] <zoredache> user123: if you only wanted people to have a browser you could start X11 with firefox as the only running application.
[19:46] <zoredache> search around a bit on google for 'kiosk linux'  you will find lots of howtos
[19:46] <user123> Thanks!
[19:47] <user123> (I didnät knwo what to search for)
[19:47] <user123> Oh, by X11 do you mean Xubuntu?
[19:48] <evil_tech> no X11
[19:48] <evil_tech> it is what gives you a GUI
[19:49] <user123> Oh, i see.
[19:49] <thyrax> anyone usuing linux raid in here?
[19:49] <thyrax> mdadm
[19:49] <user123> I will have a look at X11 then, thanks!
[19:49] <evil_tech> np
[19:50] <user123> I just (for the moment ;)) have a last question...
[19:50] <evil_tech> ok
[19:50] <zoredache> thyrax: yes, and see see !anyone
[19:51] <user123> Why do linux need so much disk space? (Ubuntu needs 4GB and Xubuntu 1,5 GB; accourding to Wikipedia) Now is that true? And how could you inimize that space
[19:51] <user123>  (In contrast w2k after a years of updates takes about 1,3 GB)
[19:52] <evil_tech> you could uninstall things you dont need or use
[19:52] <zoredache> user123: windows doesn't come with any software.  Install office, and a few other applications and you quickly make up the difference.
[19:52] <evil_tech> that too ^^
[19:52] <user123> That is true =)
[19:53] <w00boot> are you guys xubuntu experts?
[19:53] <user123> So that is why the OS needs so muck disk space? S
[19:53] <evil_tech> yes
[19:53] <user123> If that is the case then I do not see a problem (I thought that the OS needed that much sapce).
[19:53] <zoredache> Ubuntu doesn't even use 4gb for a base install, they are just suggestion space you need for a working enviroment with the common applications.  You can make it a lot smaller if have too
[19:54] <evil_tech> you have an email client, web browser, office suite, etc etc from install
[19:54] <evil_tech> if you just text based you can fit it on a 500mb partition
[19:54] <zoredache> w00boot: we are a group of people that use or know about xubuntu.  We are not all experts, but many of us are skill in some areas
[19:55] <thyrax> !anyone
[19:55] <ubotu> A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?
[19:55] <evil_tech> cept for me. ich bin der uber-n00b >: D
[19:56] <user123> Thanks, regarding the issue on Linux disk spaces! I know I said it was my last question, but I just relaized that I have a last important one (sorry) ;)
[19:56] <evil_tech> ok
[19:57] <user123> I cureently (if you havn't guessed) use win2k, and my partions are formated as NTFS. I have read that linux support for NTFS is not fully developed. Now I tried Xubuntu on my harddrives, it could read without problem, and I created a text file, just t see. but I was wondering what the chances are for files to be corrupted?
[19:58] <thyrax> how stable is software raid in linux?
[19:58] <thyrax> is there a gui for managing software raid other than evms? just a basic gui for mdadm?
[19:58] <w00boot> lol, ok
[19:59] <w00boot> well, i have a problem. my windows title bar min maximize buttons are gone
[19:59] <evil_tech> user123: pretty good
[19:59] <w00boot> running  $ metacity doesnt solve the problem completely
[19:59] <evil_tech> write support for linux to NTFS partitions isnt fully functional yet
[19:59] <PeckaH> w00boot: restart X ?
[19:59] <evil_tech> though ive heard its close
[19:59] <w00boot> how do i do that?
[20:00] <PeckaH> w00boot: crtl+alt+backspace
[20:00] <user123> I'm not sure if I should keep my files as NTFS, or switch to FAT32, or use linux file system, but the later kills compabiltiy with windows, and I need to use windows occasionally.
[20:00] <evil_tech> best bet is to create a FAT32 partition and put the files you want both operating systems to use there
[20:01] <evil_tech> though if you have files larger than 4gb that might not be a great option
[20:01] <thyrax> i thought ubuntu 7.10 recognised ntfs
[20:01] <user123> e_t That was what I thought, but how would permission work? Wouldn't the hard drive security (read and write) be lost?
[20:01] <thyrax> or recognized*
[20:01] <user123> thyrax It does, but as e_t pointed out, "write support for linux to NTFS partitions isnt fully functional yet"
[20:02] <thyrax> even in the newer versions?
[20:02] <evil_tech> it recognizes NTFS can mount and read but write support isnt fully functional
[20:02] <thyrax> ^
[20:02] <evil_tech> it can cause corruption
[20:02] <w00boot> ok, restarting X or even rebooting doesnt help
[20:03] <w00boot> am i supposed to be running metacity in xubuntu?
[20:03] <thyrax> 1 sec I thought I saw a tutorial saying it was now possible with 7.10 have you tried it recently evil_tech
[20:03] <user123> Well, I have to live with that for the moment i guess. Is there a site were I could follow the progress of the NTFS support?
[20:03] <evil_tech> yes
[20:03] <evil_tech> everytime i do and restart windows it finds corrupt files
[20:04] <evil_tech> its getting better and ive heard its supposed to be fully functional on the next LTS
[20:05] <user123> LTS?
[20:05] <evil_tech> Long Term Support
[20:05] <user123> ok, thanks.
[20:05] <evil_tech> ubuntu release that is supported for i think 5 years on the desktop and 7 on the server
[20:05] <evil_tech> correct me someone if i mangled that
[20:07] <thyrax> user does this help? : http://tweako.com/single_user_profile_for_windows_and_linux
[20:07] <thyrax> evil does I just read that articles description yet to go throughit throughly^
[20:08] <thyrax> evil _tech* I just read that articles description yet to go throughit throughly^
[20:08] <user123> It will be an interseting reading, thanks!
[20:08] <user123> (thyrax)
[20:08] <thyrax> np
[20:08] <evil_tech> hmm i must have something mucked up again
[20:10] <evil_tech> perhaps this hard drive is going bad
[20:11] <user123> I want to thank evryone for their input! You guys/gals have been great, I look forwards to make a hard drive install of Xubuntu and use it regularly.
[20:12] <evil_tech> happy computing. we'll send you the bill for the beers you owe us within a few business days :P
[20:12] <user123> :D
[20:21] <evil_tech> grrr i hate this stupid computer!
[20:21] <vinze> evil_tech, what's wrong?
[20:22] <evil_tech>  just one thing not working after another. stupid sempron and a crappy asus board
[20:22] <vinze> >.<
[20:22] <evil_tech> half tempted to bring my computer from home
[20:24] <thyrax> hmm this computer im on now I think uses a sempron
[20:25] <evil_tech> i loathe semprons and celerons
[20:25] <thyrax> I need to manually set the clock speed though for it to work at the right processing speed
[20:26] <thyrax> lol this is my budget bittorrent/web/mundane computing box :)
[20:26] <thyrax> web includes browsing and email :)
[20:26] <tonyyarusso> Know what would be fun?
[20:26] <thyrax> anyone else downgrade from vista to xp?
[20:27] <vinze> tonyyarusso, no, but I got the feeling you're going to tell us :P
[20:27] <tonyyarusso> Set up a network of web servers where the cabling spells out "Some Pig"
[20:27] <vinze> Could anyone tell if Xfce's compositing settings are disabled when one's card does not support it?
[20:28] <thyrax> cabling is never fun
[20:28] <vinze> ...or does anyone know a general way of checking whether one's graphics card supports compositing?
[20:28] <vinze> (Preferably graphically)
[20:32] <vinze> Nobody who has a graphics card that does not support compositing that would like to check?
[20:33] <evil_tech> mine should support compositing but i cant find the settings
[20:33] <vinze> evil_tech, it's in Applications->Settings->Window Manager Tweaks
[20:34] <evil_tech> that where i thought but no option
[20:34] <evil_tech> must have disabled it somehow
[20:34] <vinze> No tab too?
[20:35] <evil_tech> yeah
[20:35] <evil_tech> and ive had it on before
[20:35] <vinze> On the same PC, same installation?
[20:35] <evil_tech> and my card definitly supports it
[20:35] <evil_tech> not this installation though
[20:35] <evil_tech> same machine and hardware though
[20:35] <vinze> Very odd
[20:35] <vinze> And you don't need a restricted driver that you haven't enabled?
[20:37] <evil_tech> nope they're enabled
[20:37] <evil_tech> ati driver and the atheros one for my wifi
[20:37] <vinze> And can you set the transparency of your panels?
[20:38] <evil_tech> nope no option there either
[20:38] <vinze> Very weird
[20:38] <evil_tech> do you have to have xserver-xgl installed to do it?
[20:39] <vinze> Don't think so, if your card supports it by default
[20:39] <evil_tech> hmm
[20:40] <thyrax> when setting up a raid array do you format the drives first or after creating the md0?
[20:40] <thyrax> also what difference does the chunk size make?
[20:41] <evil_tech> is it a stripe?
[20:41] <thyrax> raid 5
[20:42] <thyrax> they say default chunk size is 64k but goes up to 128K
[20:43] <evil_tech> i'm guessing thats the size of the data to each drive. if it was set to 128k then a 1mb file would be split into however many 128k chunks one of which would go to each drive
[20:43] <thyrax> also two different tutorials say format each drive individually one says just make the md0 and format that
[20:43] <thyrax> so 64K would mean more chunks so would less be better or more
[20:44] <evil_tech> the smaller the chunk the better i think
[20:44] <thyrax> and would having more chunks make it more efficient?
[20:44] <evil_tech> been a while since i messed with raid
[20:45] <thyrax> yeah I would just go with the 64K then. it is the default
[20:45] <evil_tech> yeah usually can't go wrong with defaults
[20:48] <zoredache> thyrax: you format the drives after you setup the raid unless you are paranoid and have some kind of security issue where you want the old data to be wiped
[20:48] <zoredache> the chuck size referse to how the raid5 works...
[20:49] <zoredache> so in a 3 disk raid, half a chunk goes on one drive, half on the second, and the parity on the third if I understand it
[20:49] <thyrax> hmmm
[20:50] <zoredache> you probably should just stick with the default, but if you are really worried about performance you could set it up, and then build some kind of benchark that tested the system under your expected load
[20:50] <thyrax> what about raid5 expansion if I want to grow my raid 5 array I wouldn't be able to format md0 because that would wipe all my data
[20:51] <thyrax> so I would have to format the drive individually
[20:51] <zoredache> why would you have to format anything?
[20:51] <thyrax> so I think either way it doesn't matter. format individually then assemble or just format md0 after making the array
[20:51] <thyrax> the drive you want to add
[20:51] <zoredache> you have to format after creating the raid period
[20:52] <zoredache> and you dont' have to format before you add something, you can just add it... the raid systme will deal with new drive
[20:52] <thyrax> I am yet to test but I from the tutorials I have read you can format before and just resize your file system to expand to the added space
[20:53] <thyrax> I guess its experimentation time
[20:53] <thyrax> I also read that you could make a raid 1 appear as a 2 disk raid 5 and then expand that
[20:54] <thyrax> which I miht try but not sure how stable it would be.
[20:54] <thyrax> might*
[20:55] <zoredache> I have never changed an md by adding additional drives... I have just replaced existing drives with larger drives then expanded the raid to use the unallocated space
[20:56] <zoredache> My suggestion is just experiement a bit... You could easily play around with it using something like vmware... just create lots of virtual drives and see what happens
[20:56] <thyrax> it's a relatively new feature. mdadm allows you to expand/grow raid 5 arrays by adding the extra disk
[20:57] <thyrax> I am going to just pop in a drive and creat some partitions and screw arround with that
[20:57] <zoredache> I am not sure that I would want to risk my production raid5 on a 'new feature'
[20:58] <zoredache> things like that tend to break at the worst point in time...
[20:58] <thyrax> lol
[20:58] <thyrax> relatively new
[20:58] <thyrax> its quite stable from what I hear
[20:58] <thyrax> hardware cards have been doing it for ages
[20:58] <thyrax> raid 5 expansion
[21:00] <thyrax> http://bfish.xaedalus.net/?p=188 this guy formats first
[21:01] <zoredache> it doesn't look like that to me...
[21:02] <thyrax> "In the Gnome Partition Editor application, select each disk in turn and opt to format it to ext3"
[21:03] <zoredache> hrm... that is silly because he just formats it again... in step3...
[21:03] <zoredache> I think what is doing with gparted is just part of the way gparted works...
[21:03] <thyrax> so format twice?
[21:04] <thyrax> yeah that made me wonder
[21:04] <zoredache> so I am thinking he used gparted to create the raid parition, and choose to format it, just because he was weird
[21:04] <thyrax> I have seen other tutorials say they just want to resize it
[21:04] <thyrax> lol
[21:05] <thyrax> yikes I guess I need a better tutorial
[21:05] <thyrax> I don't want to have 5X500gb of data go up in smoke over something minor
[21:05] <zoredache> if you where using a command like tool like cfdisk/fdisk, I doubt anyone would tell you to format until you have created the md
[21:05] <thyrax> some tutorials use that instead.
[21:06] <zoredache> have you read tldp.org/HOWTO/Software-RAID-HOWTO.html yet?
[21:06] <thyrax> is that the full url?
[21:06] <zoredache> yes, the site seems to be slow today though
[21:07] <KyleS-work> EWWWW
[21:07] <KyleS-work> Software Raid
[21:08] <thyrax> is this guy using mdadm or raid tools?
[21:08] <zoredache> here is a mirrored copy thyrax The Software-RAID HOWTO
[21:08] <zoredache> http://unthought.net/Software-RAID.HOWTO/Software-RAID.HOWTO.html
[21:08] <thyrax> it loaded for me
[21:08] <thyrax> that one is faster
[21:08] <zoredache> KyleS-work: software raid is faster in some cases in the some of the 'fake-raid' controllers you get
[21:08] <thyrax> kylse don't hate
[21:08] <KyleS-work> lol
[21:09] <KyleS-work> I work at a Datacenter :p
[21:09] <KyleS-work> Software RAID sux lol
[21:09] <thyrax> and if your hardware raid option dies and you can't find it again on the market you will be screwed
[21:09] <KyleS-work> but I know what you mean about the "fake-raid" controllers
[21:09] <KyleS-work> some that are 0 or 1 only
[21:10] <zoredache> thyrax: that isn't entirely true...  If you go with a popular vendor (adaptec,3ware,...) you can occasionaly move a set of disk from one controller to another
[21:10] <KyleS-work> We mainly use Adaptec now...
[21:10] <KyleS-work> I hate adaptec
[21:10] <zoredache> of course if you are using some brandx fly-by-night company, all bets are off
[21:10] <KyleS-work> The CLI client is horrid
[21:11] <KyleS-work> 3ware is where it's at
[21:11] <thyrax> occasionaly?
[21:11] <KyleS-work> ./tw_cli ftw
[21:11] <thyrax> software raid is free :)
[21:11] <KyleS-work> that is true
[21:11] <KyleS-work> lol
[21:11] <thyrax> and if my mobo dies I'll just buy another one :)
[21:12] <KyleS-work> lol
[21:12] <zoredache> software raid is fine in cases where performance isn't extremely critical, and cost easy of use is more important
[21:13] <thyrax> so I should have 2TB of home server space by the time I'm done running on what I have found to be stable ubuntu linux
[21:13] <thyrax> yep.
[21:13] <thyrax> as long as it can stream movies I'm good
[21:13] <KyleS-work> I'm thinking about installing xubuntu lol
[21:13] <thyrax> media in general
[21:14] <KyleS-work> Currently I'm using archlinux.
[21:14] <thyrax> on what?
[21:14] <KyleS-work> Asus G1S
[21:14] <thyrax> for what?
[21:14] <KyleS-work> I'm using Gnome too
[21:14] <KyleS-work> for what?
[21:14] <KyleS-work> For everyday use lol
[21:14] <KyleS-work> i might use Virtualbox on it too though
[21:14] <thyrax> what will the systems main functions be
[21:14] <thyrax> oh ok
[21:14] <KyleS-work> It's a laptop
[21:14] <KyleS-work> Just for standard use
[21:15] <KyleS-work> movies and the like
[21:15] <thyrax> just wondering I tried xubuntu couldn't get samba configured to save my life though
[21:15] <KyleS-work> Ah, no need for Samba here
[21:15] <KyleS-work> I'm just trying to ease away from Gnome
[21:15] <KyleS-work> I <3 Gnome, but they're going the wrong direction as far as development is concerned
[21:15] <KyleS-work> and KDE is out of the question
[21:16] <thyrax> how so?
[21:16] <vinze> *to both :)
[21:16] <KyleS-work> I can't stand KDE
[21:16] <KyleS-work> it feels cheap to me
[21:16] <KyleS-work> It's very cluttered as well
[21:16] <thyrax> I wanted xubuntu cos I was told it was lighter
[21:17] <thyrax> but alas samba was a pain with thunar
[21:17] <zoredache> what does samba have to do with thunar?
[21:17] <thyrax> files were very hard to share
[21:18] <thyrax> gnomes system integrated with samba better
[21:18] <thyrax> I;m not sure if it was just thunar
[21:18] <zoredache> thunar doesn't browse the network at all
[21:18] <thyrax> but with xubuntu samba just wasn't working
[21:18] <thyrax> I didn't have the option to right click and share a folder
[21:18] <thyrax> with thunar
[21:19] <TheSheep> thunar doesn't do file sharing
[21:19] <TheSheep> it's a file manager
[21:19] <TheSheep> for local files
[21:19] <Flare183> gnome's file manager does
[21:19] <zoredache> no, you wouldn't have that...  You would need to either edit the smb.conf or use a gui designed to edit it
[21:19] <thyrax> I tried to find one
[21:19] <TheSheep> there is system->shared folders
[21:19] <TheSheep> in the menu
[21:20] <TheSheep> Flare183: gnome's file manager has different goals
[21:20]  * Flare183 says no comment
[21:20] <thyrax> thats why i switched back to gnome i was able to get samba working faster with out jumping through so many hoops
[21:21] <thyrax> trust me I would have loved to stay in xbuntu
[21:21] <TheSheep> thyrax: that's good
[21:22] <thyrax> I just need samba working or that defeats the whole purpose for running a home server in my case
[21:22] <thyrax> and having come from windows :( I found most ubuntu tutorials assumed you had gnome
[21:22] <TheSheep> xubuntu doesn't ntagrate with windows too well
[21:22] <TheSheep> integrate
[21:23] <thyrax> gedit etc I had to figure out gedit wasn't xubuntu software
[21:23] <TheSheep> but I don't mind personally
[21:23] <thyrax> how stable shold I expect software raid using mdadm to be.
[21:24] <TheSheep> thyrax: you think we should have a list of applications that are *not* in xubuntu?
[21:24] <thyrax> should*
[21:24] <thyrax> now I do think we should have tutorials for xubuntu
[21:24] <zoredache> what do you mean?  are you asking if you will loose data or have random crashes?
[21:24] <KyleS-work> mdadm is pretty stable thyrax
[21:24] <thyrax> so linux noobs like me can make the switch as pain free as possible
[21:24] <vinze> thyrax, there's quite some documentation on Xubuntu already :)
[21:25] <zoredache> the raid cod tends to be very stable except when you are changing the array
[21:25] <thyrax> ok that makes me happy kyles, cos it was either that or windows 2003 for raid 5 :( and windows 2003 has no raid 5 expansion
[21:25] <zoredache> so make backups before you try and grow/expand things
[21:25] <thyrax> vinze can you point me to xubuntu friendly samba tutorial?
[21:25] <thyrax> I will do just that
[21:26] <vinze> thyrax, hmm... Not sure (don't use it myself), I believe there were some on grumpymole.blogspot.com but I could be wrong
[21:26] <zoredache> thyrax: any samba tutorial showing you how do edit via the command line should be fine
[21:26] <thyrax> well I will make back ups of things that will be painful if I lose them no way I can back up 2TB of data
[21:28] <thyrax> I heard that you could make raid 1 in appear as a 2 drive raid 5 array and expand... what do you think? should I give this a try?
[21:28] <TheSheep> experimenting on 2TB of important data seems unwise
[21:29] <zoredache> thyrax: I wouldn't suggest that... I believe you would basically running raid0 until you added the third drive
[21:29] <thyrax> yes I am thinking down the road when I have to expand
[21:29] <zoredache> if either drive failed you would loose everything
[21:30] <wyrd> http://search.ebay.co.uk/tape-drive_W0QQfrppZ50QQfsopZ1QQmaxrecordsreturnedZ300  ;)
[21:30] <thyrax> yes I planned on adding the third drive right after but first I would copy the data over to it off the drive.
[21:30] <thyrax> I thought i might come in handy since I have a 500gig drive packed and no where to back it up 2
[21:31] <thyrax> my budget won't allow for tape backup :)
[21:31] <thyrax> it* might
[21:31] <zoredache> well if you are going to add the third drive immediatly after you transfer the data, it is a possible solution
[21:31] <thyrax> have you tried it?
[21:31] <zoredache> no
[21:32] <wyrd> why not wait until you have the 3rd drive and just set it up once
[21:32] <zoredache> personally I would wait until I could buy a third drive
[21:32] <thyrax> there are two tutorials saying it has been done but I was wondering would it bite me in the behind later.
[21:32] <thyrax> ok then that means ill wait till tomorrow ups is taking forever :(
[21:32] <zoredache> if it works, then it seems like it would fail or work immediatly
[21:32] <thyrax> I have 4 500gig drives 2 empty and one more on the way
[21:33] <zoredache> it doesn't seem like their should be any lasting effects
[21:33] <thyrax> yeah thats what I thought zoredache
[21:34] <thyrax> hmm I guess ill give it a try
[21:34] <zoredache> I am still suggestion you simulate the steps in vmware or something before you try it will your real drives though
[21:34] <thyrax> I have my os on an 80gig drive fresh install of ubuntu so this should be fun
[21:34] <zoredache> just to be sure
[21:35] <thyrax> ok ill do that
[22:01] <psych> hi
[22:01] <vinze> Hey psych
[22:01] <evil_tech> how do you mount an .iso image using dd?
[22:01] <psych> those explanations about the desktop cd and alternate cd made me more confuse
[22:01] <psych> can someone clear things to me ? :)
[22:02] <vinze> psych, what is it that you don't get?
[22:02] <vinze> psych, basically, it's like this:
[22:02] <psych> diferences, mainly
[22:02] <zoredache> evil_tech: you can't mount an iso using dd
[22:02] <psych> lvm and etc is ok
[22:02] <zoredache> you mount things using mount... perhaps 'mount -o loop filename.iso /mountpoint'
[22:02] <vinze> psych, when you use the Desktop CD, you boot into a graphical environment (similar to when it's installed, but a bit slower because it runs from cd, and it can't save anything)
[22:03] <psych> right
[22:03] <vinze> psych, when you use the Alternate CD, you get a text-based installation, so you can't first try Xubuntu, perhaps see if it'll work with your hardware
[22:03] <evil_tech> i thought you could
[22:03] <evil_tech> dangit thats what im trying to do
[22:03] <evil_tech> jeesh its been one of them days
[22:03] <evil_tech> stupid finals
[22:03] <psych> ic
[22:04] <psych> i think i wont have any hardware problems
[22:04] <vinze> psych, the Desktop CD has an "Install" icon on the desktop, so you can install from there
[22:05] <psych> if i decided to install, does the livecd save my config. ?
[22:05] <zoredache> the alternate cd works better on low memory systems, in expert mode you have far more control, you can preseed the altcd if you needed to install many systems with an identical configuration
[22:05] <vinze> psych, it's just that some people prefer a text-based installation or whose hardware is too slow to run Xubuntu from cd
[22:05] <psych> ic
[22:05] <zoredache> psych: what configuration are you talking about?
[22:05] <vinze> psych, I believe it couldn't
[22:05] <psych> video and such
[22:05] <psych> framebuffer on console
[22:05] <psych> video on x
[22:06] <psych> sound
[22:06] <zoredache> so you have a working linux install already?
[22:06] <psych> ya
[22:06] <vinze> psych, but generally, you don't really use the LiveCD that intensively, more just a nice check to see if your hardware works and allows you to browse the internet while the instalaltion is progressing
[22:06] <psych> if livecd saves all info
[22:06] <psych> would be great
[22:06] <zoredache> both installers generally are used for a clean install (remove everything), if you have a perviously working ubuntu system you should be able to upgrade
[22:06] <vinze> psych, it does save your network configuration though
[22:07] <psych> zoredache, its a gentoo
[22:07] <zoredache> if you are using something else, then you are going to need to backup stuff on your own,\
[22:07] <psych> my hdd is getting 'over'
[22:08] <zoredache> yea, I doubt any configuration from a gentoo system will migrate to ubuntu
[22:09] <psych> nah nah
[22:09] <psych> i mean, configuration from livecd boot
[22:10] <slvmchn> what settings do i use in the xubuntu install to overwrite a previous existing ubuntu partition? it seemed to install alongside it, instead of woiping the whole partition, just repartitioned it... i did 'guided partitioning', do i need to do 'manual partitioning'?
[22:11] <psych> good question , does live cd do that?
[22:12] <evil_tech> there should have been an option to wipe the whole hard drive and use the freed space
[22:12] <vinze> psych, slvmchn, not sure... It can resize an existing Windows installation. It seems odd to me that it would do that, since you can easily install Xubuntu next to Ubuntu from within the installation
[22:12] <slvmchn> well i don't want to wip ethe whole drive per se, because i'm using a partition for windows
[22:13] <slvmchn> yeah vinze it wasn't obvious until i set grub up and rebooted
[22:13] <vinze> slvmchn, if you select Manual, you can wipe some partitions and install them in that
[22:13] <slvmchn> and then it had xp, xubuntu, AND fluxbuntu in grub
[22:13] <evil_tech> it actually said fluxbuntu >.<
[22:13] <slvmchn> i suppose it's a matter of reinstalling
[22:13] <slvmchn> well it was fluxbuntu i had on there, not proper ubuntu
[22:13] <slvmchn> it just did it wierd
[22:13] <evil_tech> mine always just says ubuntu and i have to remember what partition i installed it on till i can edit grub
[22:14] <slvmchn> i burned that into my memory, which partition's which
[22:14] <slvmchn> basically what happened is when i reinstalled windows it overwrote my MBR
[22:15] <slvmchn> which started me on this whole process
[22:16] <psych> vinze, does livecd has the manual option ?
[22:16] <vinze> psych, yes
[22:16] <psych> ah ok
[22:16] <psych> gonna download this one
[22:17] <psych> 566mb, nice
[22:17] <psych> not like those HUGE instalations
[22:18] <vinze> psych, http://www.23hq.com/Vincentt/photo/2589705/original and http://www.23hq.com/Vincentt/photo/2589709/original
[22:20] <psych> whata big swap
[22:20] <psych> :>
[22:21] <vinze> Yeah I never really know what to take (it's mosly empty I believe) but since I have enough hard drive space I figured it'd be better to have it too large than too small :)
[22:21] <psych> debian again, nice
[22:21] <vinze> Anyway, I'm off to bed
[22:21] <psych> cya
[22:21] <vinze> Good luck with your installation :)
[22:21] <psych> it will happen in couple days
[22:21] <vinze> :)
[22:21] <psych> when i get the new hdd
[22:21] <psych> cya
[22:21] <vinze> Bye
[22:38] <thyrax> i seem to be having display problems all of a sudden. my monitor says cannot display this more
[22:39] <thyrax> cannot display this mode
[22:39] <thyrax> i think it said mode now its gone to text and says dev sda1 has gone 1989 days without being checked
[22:39] <thyrax> ok now it boots
[22:39] <thyrax> odd
[22:40] <psych> 1989 days
[22:40] <thyrax> yes
[22:41] <psych> thats weird
[22:41] <thyrax> might be the drive i used gparted to format to ext3 earlier
[22:41] <psych> 17% downloaded, i might stop it now hehe
[22:41] <thyrax> yeah unless it failed the format
[22:41] <psych> why not use mkfs?
[22:43] <Odd-rationale> How can I make xubuntu play a .wav on logout/shutdown instead of the ugly system beep?
[22:43] <thyrax> ok this odd. the only drive I had on was the boot drive it is ide but it's reporting as sda is this normal?
[22:46] <thyrax> what is cannot display this video about at startup and sign off?
[22:46] <thyrax> just says "cannot display this video" on a black screen
[22:46] <zoredache> probably some kind of display mode detection
[22:47] <thyrax> hmmm is there a fix for it?
[22:47] <thyrax> maybe a setting
[22:47] <thyrax> it shows some grub text
[22:47] <thyrax> then starting_
[22:47] <thyrax> then cannot display this video mode
[22:47] <thyrax> then it shows the login screen
[22:47]  * thyrax scratches head
[22:48] <zoredache> thyrax: newer kernels see some ide controllers as scsi
[22:48] <thyrax> could it be it's the monitor?
[22:48] <thyrax> ill swicth them and see
[22:49] <thyrax> switch*
[22:49] <zoredache> thyrax: newer kernels see some ide controllers as scsi
[22:50] <zoredache> test
[22:51] <thyrax> oh ok that explains the sda
[22:52] <thyrax> ok on the second monitor i get signal out of range which I am guessing is the default for no video signal
[22:52] <zoredache> thyrax: newer kernels see some ide controllers as scsi
[22:52] <thyrax> so why is it going blank right before grub loads the login screen?
[22:52] <Odd-rationale> Is there a way to make xubuntu play a .wav on logout/shutdown instead of the ugly system beep? Thanks!
[22:52] <thyrax> zoredache that explains the sda thring
[22:52] <thyrax> thing*
[22:53] <thyrax> what about the lack of a video signal right before grub loads the login screen that is odd I never had that problem with the feiesty
[22:53] <thyrax> feisty
[22:54] <zoredache> I don't have any experience with that...  {shrugs}
[22:56] <thyrax> I guess
[22:56] <thyrax> I guess ill find and fiddle with the video settings
[23:00] <thyrax> feisty
[23:07] <thyrax> zoredache do you know how to bypass the login screen all together?
[23:13] <thyrax> looks like im not the only one with the problem with 7.10
[23:13] <thyrax> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=3892398
[23:36] <thyrax> why does gparted take so long? is fdisk better?
[23:37] <evil_tech> i like fdisk better
[23:37] <evil_tech> gui's tend to get in the way sometimes
[23:55] <thyrax> why is there a need to 'resize' your file system?
[23:55] <thyrax> I would use fdisk If I knew what the comands did
[23:55] <thyrax> I used gparted and ran fdisk -l and it said warning this is not an fdisk partition
[23:55] <thyrax> I thought ext3 was ext3