| steph_ | Can I rm initrd.img.old and vmlinuz.old from / ? | 00:02 |
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| crimsun | those should be mere symlinks. | 00:02 |
| crimsun | so, yes, if you really wish to. If you use GRUB (which one does by default), you can use tabbed path-completion at the GRUB prompt anyhow. | 00:03 |
| steph_ | what is the link between these files and GRUB ? | 00:04 |
| crimsun | those symlinks point to their respective files in /boot | 00:05 |
| crimsun | they only exist if you either 1) install another Debianised linux package using dpkg, or 2) create them manually | 00:05 |
| crimsun | GRUB is the default boot loader, and its configuration file uses those symlinks. Those entries normally point to the second set of linux images. | 00:06 |
| steph_ | Is the second set a "kind of emergency files" ? | 00:08 |
| crimsun | yes, the entries point to the older, previously installed linux set. | 00:09 |
| crimsun | i.e., "backup" | 00:09 |
| steph_ | Did GRUB will automaticaly switch to it in case of a bad luck ? | 00:10 |
| crimsun | no. | 00:11 |
| steph_ | I did a updated from 7.04 to 7.10. And there is now a initrd.img -2.6.20-16, initrd.img -2.6.20-14 and initrd.img -2.6.20-16.bak. | 00:11 |
| crimsun | yes, that's correct. | 00:11 |
| steph_ | I just want to understand what's "under the hood" | 00:12 |
| crimsun | what would you like me to explain regarding those three files specifically? | 00:12 |
| steph_ | I just started to explore files and folders from / . Now I have to read http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/ ;) | 00:14 |
| steph_ | Do I have to keep the old one (initrd.img -2.6.20-14 and initrd.img -2.6.20-16.bak) ? | 00:15 |
| steph_ | I thought there was "cleaning" after an upgrade... | 00:16 |
| crimsun | 2.6.20-16 is a newer package than 2.6.20-14. There are numerous security errata applied. | 00:18 |
| johnny | you want to understand what's under the hood, read the linuxfromscratch howto :) | 00:18 |
| steph_ | where??? | 00:18 |
| johnny | then you'll really understand :) | 00:18 |
| johnny | web search it | 00:18 |
| crimsun | You may choose to remove the 2.6.20-14 linux packages if 2.6.20-16 does not introduce any regressions. | 00:18 |
| steph_ | web ?? (I'm jocking) | 00:18 |
| crimsun | I do not recommend removing the backup initramfs image /ever/. | 00:18 |
| johnny | i don't say "google it" anymore... | 00:18 |
| johnny | i use other search engines too afterall | 00:19 |
| steph_ | Is it the right channel to LEARN BY QUESTIONS, or am I to boring ? | 00:20 |
| johnny | well you should learn by reading first | 00:21 |
| johnny | and then ask questions | 00:21 |
| steph_ | Thanks. Humility is the path to knowledge... | 00:22 |
| johnny | this prolly isn't the right channel .. but i don't know what would be the best for that | 00:22 |
| johnny | except for #gnulinux101 (sadly it doesn't exist) | 00:22 |
| johnny | i'm always willing to help folks learn stuff when i have time.. unless they are going to work with me on open source projects | 00:23 |
| johnny | then i spend all sorts of time :) | 00:23 |
| steph_ | see you soon. | 00:23 |
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| steph_ | We have 15 old PII 400 with 512MB RAM, including hard drive, that we wanted to recycle at school. | 03:08 |
| steph_ | What would be the best? A powerful server with LSTP and light clients or a medium server with heavy clients and LDAP and MySQL? | 03:09 |
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| MasterOne | Damned, just recently I found a link to an edu-something site, which had the recent version of libflashsupport as a .deb package, but I am unable to find that site again. The version from vdbonline.net is over 1 year old, and a recent version is supposed to operate more stable. Anyone seen the site I mean? | 10:15 |
| Joris_ | some of my LTSP clients don't start their Xserver anymore since updating the server to gutsy | 13:00 |
| Joris_ | locally X works with the i810 driver - I tried changing it to 'intel' | 13:01 |
| Joris_ | after the boot process, the system stops with blinking a '-' in the upper left corner of the display | 13:02 |
| Bauer| | Ctrl-Alt-F1 - is there any error-message? | 13:03 |
| Joris_ | nope, just the login prompt | 13:04 |
| Joris_ | I don't know where to look for logs :/ | 13:05 |
| Bauer| | /var/log/Xorg.0.log ? | 13:06 |
| ogra | Joris_, some intel cards try to forcefully run at 32bt colordepth but aret capable of that ... | 13:06 |
| ogra | try X_COLOR_DEPTH=24 for them | 13:06 |
| Joris_ | ogra: tried that too, sorry :/ | 13:06 |
| Joris_ | Bauer|: that's on the server? | 13:06 |
| Joris_ | Bauer|: I mean LTSP server, xorg client | 13:07 |
| Joris_ | ogra: 16bit even | 13:08 |
| Bauer| | I am thinking the client | 13:08 |
| Joris_ | how would I login into it? | 13:09 |
| Bauer| | now thats a good question :p i don't know :p i would think ogra knows? | 13:11 |
| ogra | define SHELL_07=ldm SHELL_02=shell | 13:11 |
| ogra | that spawns a shell on tty2 | 13:11 |
| Joris_ | in lts.conf ? | 13:11 |
| ogra | ad keeps to try to configure and start X on tty7 | 13:11 |
| ogra | yep | 13:11 |
| Joris_ | [00:02:A5:23:FA:85] | 13:14 |
| Joris_ | SHELL_07=ldm | 13:14 |
| Joris_ | SHELL_02=shell | 13:14 |
| Joris_ | is that correct? it appears not to work | 13:15 |
| ogra | thats correct | 13:20 |
| ogra | should work | 13:20 |
| Joris_ | doesn't... login on tty1, failed X on 7 | 13:21 |
| ogra | tty2 | 13:22 |
| ogra | ? | 13:22 |
| Joris_ | ctl+alt+f2 | 13:23 |
| Joris_ | err | 13:23 |
| ogra | yep | 13:23 |
| ogra | there should be a rootshell running | 13:23 |
| Joris_ | 1, 2, 3 are empty | 13:23 |
| ogra | then yur lts.conf isnt read or the MAC is wrong | 13:23 |
| Joris_ | hmm, mac = copypaste, so that should be ok | 13:24 |
| Joris_ | if lts.conf isn't read that could explain wy setting the xserver or colordepth doesn't solve anything | 13:25 |
| ogra | does your lts.conf lie in the path thats defined in the filename directive in your dhcpd.conf ? | 13:25 |
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| ogra | thats where it should reside | 13:25 |
| Bauer| | you do upgrade you image after editing lts.conf? | 13:26 |
| Joris_ | Bauer|: no, I didn't' - should I? | 13:26 |
| Bauer| | i have to rebuild my image after editing lts.conf | 13:27 |
| Joris_ | ogra: no, it doesn't: option root-path "/opt/ltsp/i386" and /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf | 13:27 |
| ogra | Bauer|, not if you have your lts.conf in the right path | 13:27 |
| ogra | Joris_, "filename" not root-path | 13:28 |
| ogra | root-path isnt used at all in gutsy ltsp | 13:28 |
| ogra | (only there for backwards compatibility) | 13:28 |
| Joris_ | tought so, it's commented in that file there :) | 13:29 |
| Joris_ | filename "/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0"; and filename "/ltsp/i386/nbi.img";, so it should be ok? | 13:29 |
| ogra | right | 13:30 |
| ogra | hmm, thats strange | 13:32 |
| Joris_ | trying with inotify o the file | 13:33 |
| ogra | you didntput links into that folder or something i suppos | 13:33 |
| ogra | e | 13:33 |
| ogra | (tftp isnt capable of following links ... ) | 13:33 |
| Joris_ | I did, to figure out another problem - but removed them again | 13:33 |
| ogra | (especially not outside its own root (/var/lib/tftpboot/)) | 13:33 |
| Joris_ | according to inotify, my lts.conf is not being read :s | 13:35 |
| Joris_ | (iwatch -e access /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf does not register any reads- | 13:36 |
| Joris_ | in.tftpd[1240]: RRQ from 192.168.0.78 filename /lts.conf | 13:37 |
| Joris_ | in.tftpd[1240]: sending NAK (1, File not found) to 192.168.0.78 | 13:38 |
| Joris_ | something is really really wrong | 13:39 |
| Joris_ | without changing anything, the client now does request the lts.conf | 13:40 |
| Joris_ | and is now unresponsive, blinking with the caps and scroll lock | 13:40 |
| Joris_ | maybe it's better to reinstall the server completely | 13:41 |
| Joris_ | (screen hangs on kubuntu progress bar btw) | 13:42 |
| ogra | its missing the path | 13:42 |
| ogra | filename /lts.conf must be filename /ltsp/i386/lts.conf | 13:42 |
| ogra | are you sure the dhcpd you configure is actually used ? | 13:43 |
| Joris_ | good question | 13:43 |
| ogra | paste your config to a pastebin | 13:43 |
| Joris_ | http://pastebin.com/m67a7298b | 13:47 |
| ogra | and your tftp line in inted.conf has "-s /var/lib/tftpboot" at the end ? | 13:48 |
| Joris_ | yes, can you refresh that url? | 13:48 |
| Joris_ | open http://pastebin.com/m54c93530 rather :) | 13:49 |
| ogra | whats pxelinux.0\377 ?? | 13:49 |
| ogra | thats broken | 13:49 |
| ogra | also: ls -la /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp would be intersting | 13:50 |
| Joris_ | I tried copying the file because some clients request that | 13:50 |
| ogra | no, thats an internal code of PXE | 13:50 |
| Joris_ | ah, oh :/ | 13:51 |
| Joris_ | that's also giving me problems... | 13:51 |
| ogra | show me ls -la /var/lib/tftpboot and ls -la /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp | 13:51 |
| Joris_ | http://pastebin.com/m1284b79b | 13:52 |
| Joris_ | (staring on line 54) | 13:52 |
| ogra | yeah, nothing suspicious | 13:53 |
| ogra | make a backup of your lts.conf, wipe the i386 dir and run: sudo ltsp-update-kernels | 13:53 |
| ogra | then copy the lts.conf back | 13:53 |
| ogra | that should clean up anything you could have broken | 13:53 |
| Joris_ | ok :D | 13:55 |
| Joris_ | boots without the caps/scroll blink again, but still no xserver | 13:56 |
| ogra | shell ? | 13:56 |
| Joris_ | neither :( | 13:56 |
| ogra | why did you put the |uniq in the lts.conf part ? | 13:57 |
| Joris_ | whitespace | 13:57 |
| ogra | ergh | 13:58 |
| Joris_ | there are no double entries of any kind I think | 13:58 |
| ogra | sillyness | 13:58 |
| * ogra headdesks ... | 13:58 | |
| ogra | s/SHELL/SCREEN/ | 13:59 |
| Joris_ | ouch :D | 13:59 |
| ogra | blind me | 13:59 |
| Joris_ | great | 13:59 |
| ogra | you can drop SOUND,LOCALDEV and SYLOG_HOST ther are set by default to these values | 14:00 |
| ogra | *they | 14:00 |
| Joris_ | ughm | 14:03 |
| Joris_ | [00:02:A5:23:FA:85] | 14:03 |
| Joris_ | SCREEN_07=ldm | 14:03 |
| Joris_ | SCREEN_02=shell | 14:03 |
| Joris_ | right? | 14:03 |
| ogra | yeah | 14:03 |
| Joris_ | doesn't work :/ | 14:03 |
| Joris_ | but the file is requested, according to inode | 14:04 |
| ogra | did it fix your PXE error on the other terminals ? | 14:04 |
| Joris_ | nope, no idea how | 14:05 |
| ogra | any info in the logs ? | 14:05 |
| ogra | with your triple -v you should see everthing tftpd does | 14:06 |
| Joris_ | just the not found \337 | 14:07 |
| Joris_ | RRQ from 192.168.0.78 filename /ltsp/i386/boot/pxelinux.0\377 -> NAK | 14:08 |
| ogra | your is clean now btw ? | 14:08 |
| ogra | err | 14:08 |
| ogra | your /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/ | 14:08 |
| Joris_ | I think so | 14:08 |
| Joris_ | I ran the kernel update thing | 14:08 |
| ogra | whats boot ?? | 14:09 |
| ogra | thats shouldnt be there | 14:09 |
| Joris_ | a symlink to . | 14:09 |
| Joris_ | did I break that too? :( | 14:09 |
| ogra | but you just wiped that dir | 14:09 |
| ogra | how can it be there again | 14:09 |
| Joris_ | I don't know | 14:10 |
| ogra | there should only be three links (vmlinuz, initrd.img and nbi.img) | 14:10 |
| Joris_ | manually removed it, ltsp-update-kernels and now itt's gone | 14:10 |
| ogra | and one subdir pxelinux.cfg | 14:10 |
| Joris_ | http://pastebin.com/m54c83221 | 14:10 |
| Joris_ | no pxelinux.0? | 14:11 |
| ogra | sure | 14:11 |
| ogra | the dir looks good now | 14:11 |
| Joris_ | I'll retry | 14:12 |
| Joris_ | what's wrong with that /ltsp/i386/boot/pxelinux.0\377? | 14:12 |
| Joris_ | client boots, but no X and no shell | 14:13 |
| ogra | well, i wonder how you get the boot in there | 14:13 |
| ogra | it shouldnt be there | 14:13 |
| ogra | something is really wonky, either in your chroot or with the setup of your server | 14:14 |
| Joris_ | and NO /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf read!!?! | 14:14 |
| Joris_ | pfff | 14:14 |
| Joris_ | I think something went really wrong with the gutsy upgrade of this machine | 14:14 |
| ogra | you are not running another dhcpd in your network or so ? | 14:14 |
| Joris_ | yes, but it is pointing to me as it's next-file | 14:15 |
| Joris_ | next-server | 14:15 |
| ogra | upgrade ? | 14:15 |
| Joris_ | or something | 14:15 |
| ogra | but you rebuilt the chroot as advised i hope | 14:15 |
| Joris_ | it was a 6.06/7.07 and updated it to 7.10 | 14:15 |
| Joris_ | certainly, I rebuilt the chroot | 14:15 |
| ogra | hmm | 14:17 |
| ogra | do you have any other tftpd running ? | 14:17 |
| Joris_ | on the network? not sure, but not on this server | 14:17 |
| ogra | ok | 14:17 |
| ogra | how does your /opt/ltsp/i386/boot/pxelinux.cfg/default look like ? | 14:18 |
| ogra | (paste here, should be one line) | 14:18 |
| Joris_ | root@dotkomserver:~# cat /opt/ltsp/i386/boot/pxelinux.cfg/default | 14:18 |
| Joris_ | DEFAULT vmlinuz ro initrd=initrd.img quiet splash | 14:18 |
| ogra | looks fine | 14:18 |
| ogra | /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default has the same content i suppose | 14:19 |
| Joris_ | identical | 14:19 |
| ogra | i really dont understand how it gets the boot in there :/ | 14:21 |
| Joris_ | it could be I did it, but I don't tremember | 14:21 |
| Joris_ | ogra: I can reinstall the server :? | 14:22 |
| Joris_ | directly from 7.10 | 14:22 |
| ogra | yes, but i'dlike to find the cause :) | 14:22 |
| mcfloppy_ | is there a way to run ltsp 4.1 and 5.0 together? | 14:23 |
| mcfloppy_ | cause i need ltsp 4.1 for my netvista devices and the other pcs from the system running under 5.0 | 14:24 |
| ogra | mcfloppy_, there surely is, but i bet its a lot work to set up the servers right | 14:24 |
| Joris_ | ogra: I'd be more than happy to dig further into this, but: | 14:24 |
| Joris_ | not today, I have to get going | 14:24 |
| Joris_ | and also: they are depending on me getting a lot of clients functional, I don't know how long the current situation can persist | 14:25 |
| ogra | dpkg -l ltsp-server ? | 14:25 |
| Joris_ | it's installed | 14:26 |
| ogra | and chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 dpkg -l ltsp-client-core | 14:26 |
| Joris_ | 138 files | 14:26 |
| ogra | i want to compare te versions :) | 14:26 |
| mcfloppy_ | ogra hmm kay, | 14:26 |
| mcfloppy_ | what would you do? | 14:26 |
| Joris_ | http://pastebin.com/m741771bf | 14:27 |
| ogra | mcfloppy_, well most easy would be to have two different networks (a NIC each) for the different implementations and direct either to different files in the dhcpd.conf | 14:27 |
| ogra | Joris_, ok | 14:28 |
| mcfloppy_ | orga du sprichst doch deutsch, oder? | 14:28 |
| ogra | if oyu start splitting on a higher level it gets more tricky | 14:28 |
| ogra | mcfloppy_, jup | 14:28 |
| Joris_ | ogra: you can email me at my nickname @v5.be... I'll come back to this channel to haunt you some more later | 14:28 |
| mcfloppy_ | ogra bitte lass uns das in deutsch klären... | 14:28 |
| mcfloppy_ | query oder so | 14:28 |
| ogra | #edubuntu-de :) | 14:29 |
| Joris_ | ogra: thanks and have a nice weekend | 14:29 |
| ogra | ciao | 14:29 |
| bddebian | Heya | 15:26 |
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| lns | Is there a grub boot option in Ubuntu/Edubuntu Gutsy to boot the server kernel directly? I need this for correct hardware detection for my Proliant servers... | 22:32 |
| lns | as in, from the live/install cd | 22:33 |
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