nosrednaekimstdin: looks like that package works fine..01:23
nosrednaekimstdin: wrote a simple little program and it works as its supposed to. tried writing a little bit more complicated one and its not working, but I think thats MY problem01:24
stdinnosrednaekim: great, thanks for testing. it is svn so there are probably some bugs in it anyway01:24
nosrednaekimstdin: Its definately my error, QImage doesn't have some of the methods i'm used to so I can figure out how to actually display the dang thing. XD01:25
nosrednaekimRiddell: hey, this might be useful for the upcoming pyqt/kde4 info session.... its all the qt 4.3 docs translated to python http://docs.huihoo.com/pyqt/pyqt4/html/classes.html01:28
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stdinnosrednaekim: there's also /usr/share/doc/python-kde4-doc/html/allclasses.html in -doc :)01:31
nosrednaekimstdin: thats just kde4..01:31
nosrednaekimthis is all of qt01:31
stdinthere's probably something in python-qt4-doc too01:32
stdinbut I don't feel like reading it now, I'm too tired01:32
nosrednaekimhmm true XD01:32
nosrednaekimstdin: not to bother you, but did you figure out the pykdedocs thing?01:33
stdinfigure what out exactly?01:33
nosrednaekimstdin: did you package it? its in none of the packages.01:34
stdinall the docs that came with pykde4 are in -doc01:35
nosrednaekimstdin: but this is a docbrowser which is included in pykde4, it provides interactive editing and stuff.01:36
stdinI can't find that in the source01:37
nosrednaekim"python installdocs.py" in the top level source (is what it looks like from the html page in the docs)01:37
stdinnosrednaekim: nope http://stdin.pastebin.com/d34f5e14201:38
nosrednaekimweird!.... let me upload the HTML page i'm looking at..01:39
stdinexample/ doesn't even exist01:42
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jjessegood evenng, does anyone have a debian kde install running that could check somehting for me?03:26
* Hobbsee does not03:36
jjessejust curious as to if Users Folder should be Users' Folder and corresponds in KDE (via system menu)03:40
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buzi'm trying to come up with a solution for a randr 1.2 dual head issue09:00
buzbasically, xrandr can do dual head, but it won't allow higher resolution than (widest screen)^2 unless you create a virtual display higher than that in xorg.conf09:01
buzthere ought to be a more easy way for that09:01
alleeHolbuz: well, if 'virtual display' would be adjusted automaticly by the xserver....  ;)09:13
alleeHolbuz: but that something for upstream.09:13
buzwell i'm not sure what xorg 7.3 does09:14
buzshould probably try it on hardy first09:14
buzgutsy's X is a weird beast, to say the least09:14
buzbtw, allee you have a latitude d830 right?09:14
alleeHolbuz: right.  And for whatever reason I had this morning much X trouble I never had before09:15
buzdo you have the docking station for it?09:15
buzdid you get hot dokcing to work?09:15
buzmine freezes unless i suspend it first09:15
sebastian^good morning folks09:16
alleeHolbuz:  I've plugged in without noticeable problem.  But for undock I have to suspend/hibernate first,  but it's this the same for windows? (never tried)09:16
alleeHolsebastian^: morning09:16
buzno idea, i cant stand windows for long enough09:16
buzwhat alsa version do you run?09:17
buz(i've seen plenty of weird differences between alsa versions)09:17
alleeHolbuz: the backport module09:17
buzoh right09:17
buzi'm using 1.0.15 against right now09:17
alleeHolI'm still patient and use whatever kubuntu archive give me (well, not always ;)09:18
buzi have tried 2.6.24rc4 (finally comes with ipw3945 drivers) but i cant compile alsa against it09:18
buzand stock alsa doesnt support audio09:18
alleeHolI assume next alsa snapshot will support linux rc snapshot again09:19
buzi hope so. i have filed a bug report anyway09:20
alleeHolthis can't hurt09:20
buzand maybe next alsa will finally allow for use of volume buttons again when using the docking station :)09:20
alleeHolbuz: I use an apply keyboard and volume buttons work with the doching station ;)09:21
buzwell they move the master slider in my case. which is somehow not at all useful for the docking station port09:21
buzthat one seems to be driven by pcm slider09:21
buzsuffice to say, i have come to passionately hate alsa09:22
alleeHolone can tell kmix what slider to move afair09:22
* alleeHol fires amarok and tries ...09:22
buzwell the master slider controls the headphone port :P09:22
buzwhich is useful when not docked09:22
alleeHolbuz: ah right, that what I use when docked.  Forgot to test if docking audio out if working with new linux backport modules09:23
buzi have had limited success with backport, so at some point i gave up on it09:24
buzthe saddest part: on 2.6.22-12 with alsa-driver-1.0.15rc1 everything worked...09:24
alleebuz: I can confirm (unvoluntarily) that unpluging without suspend, freezes the d830 :(09:29
buzany place where one should report that?09:30
buzof course, suspend isnt entirely the nicest thing either, because after resume cpufreq stops working :(09:30
alleebuz: I assume that's kernel business.   AFAIR when I press the 'unlock' button an 'undock' event is received.   but that's all09:32
buzthat button doesnt really seem to much at all on windows, iirc09:33
buzi pressed it once for the heck of it, not much result09:33
buz(same on thinkpads, btw)09:33
alleecan't remember I've only booted twice into vista when I bought the laptop09:34
buzoh i bought mine without OS :)09:34
buzvista amounts to cruel and unusual punishment in my book09:34
alleebuz: I was curious.  But obviously not very long.  so at the end it was a waste ;)09:35
buzoh i already had the experience on a thinkpad09:35
buzno desire to repeat it09:35
buzlike you, i booted it about 2 or 3 times09:36
alleeyeah, next a d630 is ordered without os already ;)09:36
alleebuz: what I dislike most is that qt can handle only one dpi setting.  So a highres laptop display and a normal TFT monitor do not look good together09:37
buzoh yeah09:37
buztell me about it. i have a 1920x1200 display in the notebook and a 24" next to it09:37
buzone way or another, it looks weird09:37
Seregagood day09:37
buzrunning it at 120dpi is sort of a workable compromise09:38
alleethe d630 will have 100 dpi also and will as 'workstation'09:38
buzwell i consider 100dpi to be too low09:38
buzi'd get a 17" 1920x1200 lcd if i could09:38
alleebuz: I've given up and use the laptop with lid closed.  Everything else is too anoying09:38
buznah  i need the two screens09:38
buzi usuually run irc, im and email on the notebook09:38
buzwork on the 24"09:38
* Jucato waves hello from a corner of the room...09:39
buzbut this 24" is crud. the first one i got on tuesday made humming noise. so i returned it only to get another one that's is humming09:39
buzacer's quality control must be inexistant09:39
alleebuz: afaiu the big docking station can have an GFX card.  So maybe with this you can use 2 TFT monitors09:39
buzactually you can run two screens with the small one09:40
buzthe internatl screen will stop working09:40
buzi was really surprised when i noticed that09:40
alleemhmm, right.  xrandr seems to  hint it as vga is listed09:40
buzyeah you force it to do that09:41
buzi have been in fact thinking of getting two 24" :)09:41
buzbut i actually like the 150dpi screen in the notebook09:41
buzso i decided not to09:41
alleeyeah, highres is nice in linux (and unusable in windows and gnome before feisty)09:43
buzso what09:43
buzsadly, you cant use composite on such big dual head09:43
buzbut then again, composite is more of a playtoay anyway09:44
alleebut I like the external big screen more than suffering using different dpi  settings09:44
buzgive using vga and dvi thru docking station a try09:45
buzshould give you external dual head09:45
alleemhm, composite should work, if it would not be blacklisted.  I have  Virtual         4096 1296   and hw accel is still working09:46
alleeheah, I will try the 2 tfts at work.  Thx for the hint!!09:47
buzis that nvidia or gma?09:47
buzyou work around the blacklisting09:47
buz SKIP_CHECKS=yes compiz --replace09:47
buzlets see if x crashes09:48
buzoh it works09:49
buzsort of09:49
buzthe usual weirdness around kde menu bars09:49
buzmaybe someone could fix kwin_composite to work on gma some day :)09:49
buzi could live with compiz save for the borders around some elements09:50
alleemhmm, I should try later with a kde4 (svn) session09:50
buzi havent get it to work in opengl mode09:50
buzit does something in xrender mode, but not quite what i would expect09:50
buzuhm lol09:51
buzthe last edge of the screen where the desktop should reside is not redrawing09:51
buzis kdesktop living within kwin?09:51
allee? no they are 2 different progs in kde3.  in kde4 desktop and panel are merged into plasma09:53
buzok so that was x crashing :P09:55
alleehehe :)09:55
buzso much for compiz09:55
buzseen a kwin_composite video on planet09:55
buzsure looks neat if only it would work09:55
alleeI've only interested in the better handling of multible desktop and windows that composite make possible.09:57
buzwell things like live icons when hovering over task bars or expose are very neat10:01
buzwobbly windows are good to shut up osx users, but other than that? not really useful10:01
Riddellkwin_composite works surpringly well for me10:03
buzalt tab with window brightness adjusting is also useful10:05
buzi dont really believe in transparent windows though10:05
buzbut you're on nvidia right?10:20
Riddellno accelarated support at all10:34
* Hobbsee frowns that windows has no compiz10:35
Riddellvista has compositing10:35
buzyeah and unlike compiz, vista is actually stable10:36
buzit may not be particularly fast or pretty, but it never crashed on me10:38
* Hobbsee isn't using vista10:38
* allee never tried/knows about kwin_composite10:40
buznot sure whether the blame lies with the kubuntu pcakges, but kde4rc1 is still entirely unusable in my view10:42
buz(judging from statements on planet, it probably isnt kubuntu related)10:42
buzin my view, this is beta1 quality10:42
\shbuz, compositing on kde4 is far away from being stable...yes, but you could help to make it stable10:44
buz\sh: i cant even reliably START kde410:44
buzfor example, on my own account it crashes without any notice10:45
buzpretty hard to debug10:45
\shbuz, it's not for the normal user...kde4 will be a release for people coding with kde...kde 4.1 will be more for the masses...10:46
buzyeah i know10:46
alleebuz: rc1 had unfortunate timing.  One week later svn worked much better.10:47
alleeI've compile kdesvn ~ 2 per week and it getting better and better.  No proble with plasma in the last weeks10:47
buzallee: do you put your build on ppa?10:48
\shhmmm...do the kubuntu packages have debug enabled?10:48
Riddell\sh: kdelibs and pimlibs do if you install the -dbg package10:48
\shRiddell, so it should be easy to debug for people knowing their gdb10:49
Riddell\sh: should be10:52
Riddellas long as the issue is in libs10:52
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Riddelljpatrick: no reply from sime so I guess we can just move the tutorial times11:34
Riddelljpatrick: 17:00UTC you wanted?11:34
jpatrickRiddell: yep11:35
jpatrickthank you :)11:35
RiddellJucato: could you update your forum posts with the new timetable on KubuntuTutorialsDay11:40
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Riddellstdin: would you fancy making a kde4 meta package?11:57
JucatoRiddell: will do12:05
JucatoRiddell: what's the new time? 17:00 UTC? https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuTutorialsDay isn't updated yet12:11
jpatrickJucato: we've swapped the packaging and pykde4 things around12:12
Jucatoah ok. so the starting time for the whole day is still the same?12:12
Jucatoah ok. silly me :P12:12
Tonio_hi there12:39
Tonio_it looks like kde4 is broken today...12:39
Tonio_dolphin: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/kde4/lib/libdolphinprivate.so.1: undefined symbol: _ZN24KDirSortFilterProxyModel16staticMetaObjectE12:39
Tonio_probably needs rebuilt against a newly updated lib or something....12:39
Tonio_Riddell: is that known problem ?12:39
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RiddellTonio_: probably you have the new rc libs but not kdebase13:16
Riddellit's still compiling13:16
Tonio_Riddell: ah oki13:16
nosrednaekimRC2 is out?13:16
Tonio_Riddell: 3.97 right ?13:17
RiddellTonio_: yes13:17
Riddellnosrednaekim: not yet13:17
Tonio_fdoving: adding -f option support to kdesudo13:17
Tonio_fdoving: and toonight the -t13:17
nosrednaekimRiddell: will they be out by the end of the day? I can't DL over the weekend.13:18
Riddellnosrednaekim: no13:18
nosrednaekimI can have patience...... I think :D13:19
SeregaI have found a bug related to kdesudo today's morning13:25
Riddellpoke Tonio_13:25
Tonio_Serega: which is ?13:25
Riddellit doesn't work with system settings for one13:27
Tonio_Riddell: already fixed13:27
Tonio_Riddell: I'll plan to release new tarball and package today13:27
SeregaTonio_: if I plug removable media during e.g. Adept works, there are two windows "What to do" appear. One from my user and another from root13:27
Tonio_Serega: that one is interesting13:28
Tonio_lemme try to reproduce13:28
SeregaTonio_: as a result if I choose the root's prompt, I will not be able to umount the media via "Safely remove"13:28
Tonio_which makes sense13:28
Tonio_now the big deal is "where is my usb key ?" :)13:29
SeregaTonio_: yeah. I found it out due to different system and my user locales :)13:29
Seregaso I got 2 prompts on different languages13:29
Tonio_Serega: one for root and one for the user.....13:32
Seregaaha.... maybe two instances of some KDE services are up?13:32
Tonio_Serega: just found a microsd + adapter, let's test13:32
Tonio_Serega: I suspect so13:32
Tonio_ran without adept -> works13:32
Tonio_Serega: no problem here with new kdesudo codebase13:33
Tonio_Serega: fancy testing with new deb file ?13:34
SeregaTonio_: I trapped into it on current gutsy13:34
Tonio_Serega: you'll find a package here : http://tonio.homelinux.org/temp/13:34
Seregatest it for you?13:35
Tonio_please, since I can't seem to reproduce, I'll like you to confirm :)13:35
SeregaI'm at work now :(13:35
Tonio_ah..... well when you have time, please report to me if that worked :)13:35
SeregaTonio_: I wiil be able to test in evening13:35
SeregaTonio_: ok, of cause13:36
* Serega forgot :)13:36
Tonio_Serega: I suspect that'll fix the issue, as kdesudo has been mostly rewritten recently13:36
Tonio_Serega: fixes almost all bugs reported to launchpad btw13:36
SeregaTonio_: you rock!13:37
Tonio_Serega: I try to, at least, which is a good step to eventually, in a far future.... :)13:39
Tonio_fdoving: for the -t option, it looks like kdesudo already uses shell by default, due to sudo13:42
Tonio_fdoving: probably just adding a fake option for cmdline compatibility would suffice13:42
Tonio_fdoving: can you give me a use case to reproduce current problem ?13:47
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ScottKRiddell: Any thoughts about maybe putting ktnef in Main for Hardy?  Personally, I get enough broken mail from Outlook/Exchange users in my work that I'd be pretty well dead without it.13:57
RiddellScottK: I've never worked out what TNEF files are14:02
Riddell /win 1314:02
ScottKRiddell: It's a non-standard MIME type that either Outlook or Echange (not sure which) wraps around attachments in some configurations.14:02
ScottKSo the people I work with that have that config, when I get attachments from them they are totally unreadable in Kmail without Ktnef.14:03
RiddellScottK: do you think we should have it on the CD?14:03
ScottKWith it, it's click, click, open the attachment.14:03
ScottKRiddell: It would be very nice for interoperability to have it.14:03
ScottKGiven there are space constraints, I'd say it's not critical.  I'd have to weigh that against what you have to throw out to get it.14:04
ScottKI do think it should be part of the 'supported' Kubuntu package set.14:04
ScottKMy preference would be to install it by default so this 'just works'.14:04
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RiddellScottK: it seems to be a standalone application14:06
Riddelldoesn't it get run from within kmail?14:06
ScottKRiddell: I'll have to go back and check, but I think Kmail just knows to use it when it's installed due to mime type registration.14:06
ScottKIt can run as a standalone, but the primary use case is from within Kmail.14:07
ScottKI'm currently catching up on e-mail and noticing how useful it is in the case of you get mail like this.14:09
RiddellScottK: I don't like adding extra cruft to the kmenu14:12
RiddellScottK: do you know if it works with NoDisplay=true in /usr/share/applications/kde/ktnef.desktop ?14:12
ScottKRiddell: OK.  It used to not display.  I don't recall exactly how it was done.  Actually my first patch for Kubuntu was to enable the display (I didn't fully understand things then).14:13
ScottKI think so (that sounds right).14:13
ScottKRiddell: How about install by default, but no icon?14:13
Riddellcould be doable14:14
ScottKRiddell: OK.  Sounds like I have a spec to write or do you want to fold this into a higher level KDE for Hardy spec?14:15
RiddellScottK: this isn't spec material14:16
Riddellit's just deciding if we put it in universe or main and what needs done to the menu .desktop file14:17
Riddellmm, no14:17
Riddellit's just deciding if we put it in supported or desktop and what needs done to the menu .desktop file14:17
ScottKRiddell: OK.  So what would you like for me to do on this then?14:17
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stdinRiddell: meta package?15:04
Tonio_fdoving: -f done, not the easiest I must say15:08
Tonio_Riddell: is our kdesu still patched ?15:28
Tonio_Riddell: hum, your sudo patches are upstream now, I forgot that15:29
Riddellstdin: a kde 4 version of meta-kde15:37
Riddellhi mendred15:37
Riddellhi morr15:37
mendredhi Riddell15:38
stdinRiddell: I guess I could, don't think I've made a mata package before though15:38
maini10Hello, my KDE 4 installation in Hardy is broken. An error "Could not start D-bus. Check your installation" is shown when I start it. Do you think it is a bug?16:10
nixternalmaini10: did this just start, or is this the first time you are trying to run KDE 4?16:15
nixternalmaini10: check and make sure you have dbus-x11 installed, if not, install it16:16
maini10nixternal: I'll check it16:17
Riddellmeduxa: you may have upgraded to the new kdelibs today, but the rest hasn't compiled16:26
Riddelloh, he left16:27
Riddellsorry meduxa16:27
meduxaI'm here16:27
Riddellmeduxa: was ment for someone else who started with m16:27
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skyfalcon866where would i upload new packages16:41
RiddellaRyn: why did you do that?16:45
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RiddellaRyn: don't mess up the topic16:46
aRynsry, disconnect16:46
aRynRiddell: did what?16:46
aRynsry, didn't want to16:46
stdinRiddell: I think this should do http://stdin.me.uk/kde4/  let me know if it's ok or needs anything else17:21
Riddelllet me look stdin17:23
jpatrickstdin: homepage under standards-version17:24
stdinheh, yeah17:25
Riddellstandards-version is 3.7.3 now I believe17:26
Riddellkde4-devel should depend on libplasma-dev I think17:27
RiddellDepends: kde4-core (>= 5:47)17:27
Riddelllooks wrong17:27
stdindamn, I thought I changed all of those...17:28
stdinok, hit refresh and it should be fixed :)17:29
Riddellstdin: some descriptions you've added "version 4" but not all17:31
maini10nixternal: I have fixed dbus issue following your suggestion. Thanks. But now, KDE teminates about 10 seconds after start without explanation17:31
RiddellI think they should all have that17:31
Riddellmaini10: do individual apps work?17:32
stdinahh, was missing in kde4. didn't see that17:32
maini10No, it's not possible to start KDE.17:32
Riddellmaini10: try just starting one app17:33
nosrednaekimmaini10: start it in a Xephyr session so that you can see the error.17:34
stdinRiddell: should all be fixed now17:41
maini10nosrednaekim: thanks, could you give more details on what I should do?17:42
nosrednaekimmaini10: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-rc1.php17:44
jpatrickRiddell: should we upload beta packages? (wanna update knights)17:44
nosrednaekimmaini10: what should explain it pretty well17:44
Riddelljpatrick: it depends on the circumstances, is there a reason a user would want the beta over the stable version?17:45
jpatrickchess program17:45
DaSkreechAh right of course :)17:45
Riddelljpatrick: will a final version be released in time for the hardy release schedule?17:45
jpatrick"Knights 0.6.4 Beta -- Sunday February 6th, 2005"17:46
jpatrickI don't think so..17:46
DaSkreechHa ha :)17:46
maini10nosrednaekim: I'm unable to start Xephyr. Could you give the right command to use it?17:46
Riddelljpatrick: does the beta have bugs in it?17:47
nosrednaekimthe command on that page didn't work?17:47
jpatrick"! Known Crash Bug during online play." - that's so useful17:47
jpatrickokay, forget knights. /me looks for something else to package17:47
Riddelljpatrick: I've got a new extragear-plasma if you fancy17:48
jpatrickI'll do kmplayer first17:49
Riddellstdin: meta-kde4 looks all good.  jpatrick, any final objections to me uploading?17:54
jpatrickRiddell: +1 from me17:55
stdinyay :)17:55
smarterI've made a patch for bug #5766618:02
ubotuLaunchpad bug 57666 in kdebase "Odd quirk when trying to install SMB Printers" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/5766618:02
smarterCan someone please review it?18:02
smarter(last comment of the bug report)18:02
Riddellsmarter: cool18:04
Riddellsmarter: can you take me through what your patch does, it's not code I'm at all familiar with18:05
Riddellcalling nmblookup and pasing the output?18:05
smarterRiddell: yes18:05
smarterRiddell: I've removed all the grep and sed things18:06
smarterRiddell: and I don't parse smbclient because the result are not always what they should be18:06
smarterRiddell: It's inspired by what system-config-printer does18:06
smarterRiddell: I've also disabled the -A<file with username and password> option for anonymous login because it's not needed and doesn't work18:07
Riddellsmarter: so without the grep and sed bits does it still give usable output?18:07
Riddellneversfelde: were you going to test qt 4 and xinerama?18:08
smarterRiddell: yes because I check with "if (words[1] != "<00>" || words[3] == "<GROUP>")"18:08
neversfeldeRiddell: sorry, for not testing xinerama and qt 4. My isp has some problems and I have no internet connection at home18:09
neversfeldeproblems should be solved tomorrow morning and I can test then, if it is still needed?18:09
Riddellneversfelde: actually I just found someone else to do it18:09
Riddellneversfelde: although a second opinion is always useful18:09
neversfeldeRiddell: ok, i will try it18:09
Riddellsmarter: seems all pretty sane, I don't have any way of testing it but I suppose I can just apply and ask for testers on that bug report18:10
smarterRiddell: thanks ;)18:10
smarterRiddell: I've also made another simple patch to fix bug #10275318:11
ubotuLaunchpad bug 102753 in adept "adept does not display utf-8 text correctly" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/10275318:11
smarterWhich was too late for gutsy18:12
Riddellsmarter: kdelibs patch uploaded, many thanks18:15
Seregasmarter: pretty nice!18:15
smarterSerega: thank you ;)18:17
smarterThis bug was really annoying me :P18:18
Riddellsmarter: adept patch looks good too18:23
Riddellsmarter: uploaded18:27
smarterRiddell: can it make it into gutsy-update or gutsy-backports?18:27
Riddellsmarter: which?18:27
Riddellneither is serious enough for -updates18:27
Riddell-backports sure, just go through the normal channels18:27
smarterRiddell: okay, thanks18:27
Riddellstdin: rc 2 packages are starting to appear, do you fancy being the gutsy PPA dude again?18:28
stdinsure, nothing like a night of backporting kde4 to make the long winter hours fly by :p18:29
Riddellstdin: I'm thinking we should start a new team since I get complains if we do it in kubuntu-members18:29
Riddellcomplaints about gettings lots of error messages from ubuntu council and other people18:30
stdinmay be a good idea, something like kde4-packages18:30
Riddellstdin: exactly18:30
Riddelljpatrick: qgis needs merged if you're looking for things needing done18:32
ScottKRiddell: Yes.  Please.  I get enough mail without those.18:33
Riddellit's a mis-feature in launchpad I'd say18:34
Riddellstdin: well go ahead, kde4libs, kdepimlibs, kdebase-runtime, kdebase-kde4 and kdebase-workspace seem to be ready to go18:35
stdindownloading already :)18:35
ScottKRiddell: There are lots of those.18:36
RiddellScottK: heretic :)18:37
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ScottKYeah.  That'd be me.18:37
X2BHey guys, I would like to create a patch for some kde files. Trouble is that I already compiled it, so there seem to be some rather useless files that I don't want to include in the patch. Is there anything like "make clean" for dpkg-buildpackage generated content??18:50
RiddellX2B: debuild -S18:52
Riddelldebuild is dpkg-buildpackage but a bit better18:52
Riddell-S is make a source package (which involves cleaning the sources)18:52
Riddelloh, jjesse, I've to reply to your e-mail18:54
jjesseRiddell: cool i'll read it and write back18:54
X2BWhich package do I have to install with apt-get to get debuild??18:54
jjessehanging out in logan airport waiting for my flight18:55
stdinRiddell: looks like hobbsee already made a team: kubuntu-members-kde418:55
RiddellX2B: devscripts18:55
stdinshame she's not about to add us to it :p18:56
Riddellstdin: hrm18:56
Riddellstdin: let me ask a launchpad admin18:56
Riddelljjesse: going somewhere nice?18:56
jjesseRiddell: on my way back home from boston18:57
jjesseso logan airport -> chicago airport -> home18:57
* jjesse finally qualifies for free upgrades18:58
Riddelljjesse: you havn't been in boston since UDS!18:59
jjesseRiddell: i know that.... but i've been here all week and heading home19:00
Riddellok, phew19:00
jjessecaught an earlier flight as well so its all good19:00
jjesseor will be catching an earlier flight19:01
jpatrick_Riddell: please upload: http://people.ubuntuwire.com/~jpatrick/kmplayer/ when you can19:02
Tonio_jpatrick_, Riddell: I'm uploading kmplayer19:08
Tonio_jpatrick_: uploaded19:09
Riddellthanks Tonio_, jpatrick_19:10
Tonio_Riddell: you're welcome19:11
Tonio_Riddell: fyi, kdesudo shold be done and finished now, 100% kdesu cmdline compatible19:11
Tonio_Riddell: I'll wait for fdoving for feedback and tests19:11
jjesseRiddell: when did you reply?  can't  find it in my mailbox19:12
Riddelljjesse: I havn't yet19:16
Riddelljjesse: I was saying your arrival reminded me I need to19:17
jjesseoh i thought you said you did19:17
jjessebought a b luetooth keyboard for my nonki n800 and using it in the airport, its pretty cool and easy to use19:18
jjessesure beets taking out my laptop19:18
Riddellstdin: ok, we're in19:18
Riddelljjesse: works with Kubuntu?19:18
Riddelloh, n80019:18
jjesseyeah n800, i've seen people install kde on it19:19
stdinI just thought, I need to upload strigi, libzip, gpsd, etc again19:23
Riddellstdin: libvncserver and it'll need the new soprano19:23
stdinyeah, just got a list of what I need with some fancy grep/sed :)19:24
stdinRiddell: I can just grab it and reupload to the new ppa right, or do I need to change the release number?19:25
stdinfor the non-kde4 packages that is...19:27
Riddellstdin: no need to change the version number19:30
stdingood, should be nice and simple then19:30
Riddellhelp needed folks "What are two solid reasons to choose Kubuntu over other distros?"19:30
_buzThe only reasonably up to date KDE distro that does not use RPM19:31
jpatrickpowerful base of Debian and Ubuntu + powerful desktop environment19:31
jpatrick+ we're community developed19:31
Riddellit depends if he means compared to other ubuntu distros or compared to all other distros19:32
Riddellproofreaders needed http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/m7baaeaa819:35
jpatrickRiddell: you left out Edubuntu?19:36
yuriyWhy does Kubuntu exist as opposed to other distros? wow who thought up that question19:36
yuriyother distros don't exist?19:37
* DaSkreech answers question 219:38
jpatrickline 13: worlds -> world's19:38
hdevalenceyuriy: I think the idea was "why does kubuntu exist as opposed to just using another disto"19:38
DaSkreechhdevalence: That's still a revealing question19:43
yevgenQuestion.. I've installed Ubuntu.. Than I've installed kubuntu-desktop and removed ubuntu-desktop.. So, what I have now? Kubuntu? :-)19:46
jpatrick!purekde | yevgen19:47
ubotuyevgen: purekde is If you want to remove all !Gnome packages and have a default !Kubuntu system follow the instructions here « https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PureKDE »19:47
DaSkreechjpatrick: nice knee jerk19:55
DaSkreechyevgen: You have both19:55
DaSkreechyevgen: Or if you like you can rename it your own distro and anger people who like simplicity :)19:55
jpatrickDaSkreech: I thought he/she only wanted kde19:55
jpatrick"removed ubuntu-desktop"19:56
DaSkreechjpatrick: he/she just asked what they have :)19:56
mhbgood evening19:58
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buzhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeVault anyone tried this? sounds basically like a gui to rsync?20:35
jpatrickRiddell: I think we can sync qgis20:38
jpatrick(or maybe I just don't understand what this thing does...)20:42
fdovingbuz: you can probably compare it to rsync, with the --suffix or --backup-dir options. with one dir per date, for example. and then hardlink the not-modified files.20:42
fdovingor rdiff-backup.20:43
buzthat's basically what i do to backup my home dir20:43
fdovingwhich i use alot.20:43
buzactually its based upon rsync :)20:43
buzi dont trust rdiff-backup20:43
buzi've seen it fail in weird ways in the past20:43
buzrsync may be less efficient, but its dumb simple at least20:43
fdovingdo you keep incremental backups, or just one mirror?20:45
buznine generations20:46
buzbut my home minus multimedia stuff is only 9G20:46
fdovingso 9 complete mirrors ?20:47
buzna hardlinking20:47
fdovingnot much difference then.20:47
buzrdiff is more efficient in general20:47
buzbut also a lot more complicated20:47
buzoh and i use duplicity for offsite storage20:50
buzi can very much recommend it20:50
buzalbeit it only the one from the site, the one in the repository is way too old20:51
DaSkreechRiddell: daily KDE4 CDs?21:04
* Serega waves21:07
jpatrickhi Serega21:07
hdevalencewhat's the difference between rdiff and rsync?21:07
buzrsync stores files21:12
buzrdiff takes binary deltas21:12
hdevalencewhat's a binary delta?21:28
hdevalencea binary representation of the difference?21:29
buzthink of diff for binary files21:29
buzhence the name21:29
nixternal_who tripped over the network cable?21:30
tmskeis someone running eclipse3.3 on hardy? I get an error Java VM: Java HotSpot.... Problematic frame: C [libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0+0x11f11b]  gtk_icon_set_render_icon+0x5bb21:30
nixternal_tmske: I ended up grabbing eclipse from the website and installing it...Ubuntu has had the worst eclipse support I have ever seen21:31
buznixternal_: given the time of the day i would expect it to be beer in the server21:31
ScottKnixternal_: Some MOTU ought to work on that.21:31
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tmskenixternal_" wel it is the one from the eclipse website...21:32
nixternalScottK: someone works full time on it I thought21:32
ScottKnixternal: No.21:32
nixternaltmske: let me see if mine starts...are you using the java view I take it?21:32
ScottKnixternal: man-di from Debian is often around to help, but no one really seems to look after it.21:32
nixternaltmske: should I try to create a new java file, debug one of my files? I am in Java view w/o any problems21:33
nixternalI am also using Sun Java and not Icedtea or gcj (which should get thrown out since it is useless)21:33
tmskenixternal: well it just doesn't start... and I'm using java-sun621:34
nixternalScottK: sounds like a new project for me then :)21:34
nixternalit is working for me21:34
ScottKnixternal: Perfect.21:34
nixternalgoing to start it up in java view21:34
ScottKnixternal: Get it fixed up in Hardy and then we'll do a backport.21:34
nixternalworks fine here21:34
nixternalScottK: ya, cuz it sucks in every release thus far21:34
nixternalcouple of weeks ago I reverted to using Eclipse on Fedora, who I must say has the most beautiful representation for it, because it was broke for me21:35
ScottKnixternal: For Gutsy I got it from FTBFS to at least builds.21:35
ScottKMaybe jdong could be convinced to do for Ecplise what he did for Azureus.21:36
buzthe one time i had to use eclipse i took it from vanilla binaries and it worked just fine21:36
buzexcept for the fact that it is bloody gtk of course21:36
tmskenixternal: this is the log of eclipse, maybe you see something http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/47284/21:36
nixternaltmske: you know what....there is a sigsev with netbeans right now, and I am wondering if this is related?21:48
* nixternal looks really quick21:48
nixternalnope, they don't look the same21:51
tmskenixternal: is the netbeans thing a bug, or would it work for me, I could install netbeans for now to do some java stuff...21:52
nixternaltry to install netbeans and see if it works for you, it definitely doesn't work for me right now21:53
nixternalit is a locking issue with the jvm21:53
nixternaljava: xcb_xlib.c:82: xcb_xlib_unlock: Assertion `c->xlib.lock' failed21:53
tmskenixternal: netbeans from website or from apt?21:53
nixternalI have it installed from the repos21:54
nixternaleverytime we had a sun-java update around here, it would constantly break netbeans from the website21:54
tmskeok, ill try it21:54
mhbRiddell: have you tried to get the Drupal finally up?21:57
tmskeshould I report my eclipse problem as a bug, or do you think it's a fault of mine?21:58
mhbthe admin behaviour really demotivates me, to be honest.21:58
nixternalreport it as a bug...maybe someone has experienced the same and if it isn't a bug you can at least get it fixed..but right now, I would say it is a bug of some sort21:58
tmskenixternal: netbeans crashes here too, looks like this is a bug21:58
nixternalprobably a java bug then22:01
tmskenixternal: should I report it too?22:04
nixternalI would22:06
tmskeok, i will, can somebody check if they have this problem with eclipse installed from apt, I have it too. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/eclipse/+bug/17462822:11
ubotuLaunchpad bug 174628 in eclipse "eclipse not runnable after install" [Undecided,New]22:11
tmskenixternal: the netbeans bug is allready reported: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/netbeans5.5/+bug/15974922:17
ubotuLaunchpad bug 159749 in netbeans5.5 "[hardy] netbeans doesn't run" [Undecided,Invalid]22:17
nixternalOK, I confirmed the bug and changed it to a sun-java6 bug22:20
tmskenixternal: ok, hope it gets fixed soon22:21
ScottKCan it run with a different Java?22:22
nixternalnot really22:23
nixternalicedtea is close, but not quite there22:23
nixternalgcj should never be considered a "different java", it should be considered utter garbage :)22:24
tmskewell, I would test it with icedtea, but it wants to remove libungif4g, and some packages need it (digikam, dolphin, mplayer...)22:25
nixternalthat is because someone needs to fix the icedtea package22:26
nixternalit is all about the QA! or the lack of I guess :)22:26
nixternalmaybe I should just started merging packages w/o testing them first22:26
ScottKSounds like a MOTU that knows something about Java should jump in and fix 'em up.22:27
stdinhey, that's my job :p22:27
nixternalScottK: notice that hint of sarcasm there :)  I definitely wouldn't say that with Hobbsee around though, she scares me :)22:27
* ScottK was just saying.22:27
ScottKOooh.  How about this:22:27
ScottKVista + Java = nixternal.22:28
ScottKShe'd go for that one.22:28
nixternalI am using Fedora for my java work now22:28
ScottKSo you say.22:28
nixternaljava pays the bills man22:28
nixternalI don't have many bills, so that is bs actually :)22:28
ScottKIt would be nice if someone who knew enough/cared fixed up our stuff.22:28
nixternalScottK: now that I know there isn't a person dedicated to it, I will look at it22:29
ScottKnixternal: Great.22:29
nixternalI was told in the past to always talk to 1 person when it came to Java22:29
nixternaland another thing I found out too that I need to look at22:29
nixternalour unixODBC isn't up to part22:30
ScottKnixternal: doko knows a lot about Java, but doesn't seem to have time to mind the Universe stuff much.22:30
nixternalthat might be who I talked to in the past, but I don't remember22:30
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nixternalnow that this semester is coming to an end, I will definitely have more time22:30
nixternalnow I am working with a doubly linked list c++ project that just flat out annoys me22:31
jpatrickRiddell: do we rm locale files from k3b-i18n?22:32
Tonio_Riddell: kdebase-workspace ftbfs22:33
Tonio_Riddell: testing locally, seems to work now, probably due to missing kdelibs5 when building yesterday22:33
Tonio_Riddell: should I reupload now ?22:33
tmskea completly different question, does command-not-found work for you? mine just crahed :)22:33
stdintmske: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/command-not-found/+bug/17430522:33
ubotuLaunchpad bug 174305 in command-not-found "command-not-found package need depends python-gdbm" [Undecided,Confirmed]22:33
Tonio_tmske: does not work with zsh, so I never used it :)22:33
nixternalspeaking of doko, he just uploaded a new jython22:34
Tonio_anyone fancy testing newest kdesudo ?22:35
Tonio_I'd like to get a few people to test it before releasing package + tarball22:35
tmskestdin: indeed :-)22:35
nixternalTonio_: link me to the deb...I removed kdesudo because it was messing stuff up a couple of weeks ago22:36
Tonio_nixternal: oki ;)22:37
Tonio_nixternal: http://tonio.homelinux.org/temp22:37
Tonio_nixternal: this upload should fix I think all opened bugs on launchpad22:38
Tonio_nixternal: fdoving validated the fixes for most of them22:38
Tonio_nixternal: -n, -t, -f and -s cmdline options of kdesu have been added22:40
nixternalhey, works with system settings again, that's a plus :)22:40
Tonio_nixternal: shoouldn't cause any problems with other kde apps this time, I hope22:40
Tonio_nixternal: just one question22:40
Tonio_nixternal: have you already seen the -t option of kdesu working ?22:40
nixternalnever paid attention truthfully22:41
Tonio_nixternal: supposed to terminal output, but seems not to work on kubuntu due to sudo patches22:41
Tonio_nixternal: oki, I'll test on opensuse or another distro to confirm it's broken on kubuntu22:41
nixternalwhat does -t do?22:41
nixternaloh, never mind, you already said what it does22:42
Tonio_terminal output, but doesn't work with kde's kdesu  :)22:42
Tonio_nixternal: btw, works with kdesudo now22:42
Riddellmhb: I keep poking about drupal, no useful response yet22:43
Riddelljpatrick: we remove translations from all packages in main, and put them in language packs22:43
RiddellTonio_: ask for a give back22:44
jpatrickRiddell: ok, I'll tell that to the guy at bug 16104922:44
ubotuLaunchpad bug 161049 in k3b-i18n "k3b-i18n package in Gutsy does NOT contain any translations - only help files" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/16104922:44
Tonio_Riddell: what's a "give back" ?22:45
RiddellTonio_: a retry of the compile22:45
Tonio_Riddell: how to ?22:45
RiddellTonio_: you can ask hobbsee or pitti22:45
Riddelle-mail them probably best22:46
Tonio_Riddell: oki, no need to post a bug for this ?22:46
RiddellTonio_: no22:46
Tonio_Riddell: will do22:46
jpatrickRiddell: could you possibly backport krita-plugins? bug 17475522:47
ubotuLaunchpad bug 174755 in gutsy-backports "Please backport krita-plugins (1.6.2-0ubuntu1) from Hardy" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/17475522:47
mhbRiddell: thanks for the info.22:47
Riddellmhb: I'll try poking management on monday, it's getting a bit rediculous22:47
nixternalRiddell: trying to poke sys admins about server stuff?22:48
nixternalI have to, for the past 2 months22:49
Riddelljpatrick: done22:49
Riddellnixternal: for what?22:49
nixternalloco website22:50
Riddellmm, right22:50
nixternalwe still have a download 7.04 image and what not on our page22:50
stdinRiddell: in kdebase-workspace the build-dep " kdepimlibs5-dev (>= 3.97.0)" should probably be " kdepimlibs5-dev (>= 4:3.97.0)" (missing epoch)23:35
Riddellstdin: hrm, I made that change but I don't seem to have uploaded it23:38
Riddellstdin: uploaded23:48
* stdin grabs it23:49

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