[01:23] stdin: looks like that package works fine.. [01:24] stdin: wrote a simple little program and it works as its supposed to. tried writing a little bit more complicated one and its not working, but I think thats MY problem [01:24] nosrednaekim: great, thanks for testing. it is svn so there are probably some bugs in it anyway [01:25] stdin: Its definately my error, QImage doesn't have some of the methods i'm used to so I can figure out how to actually display the dang thing. XD [01:28] Riddell: hey, this might be useful for the upcoming pyqt/kde4 info session.... its all the qt 4.3 docs translated to python http://docs.huihoo.com/pyqt/pyqt4/html/classes.html === uga is now known as uga|away [01:31] nosrednaekim: there's also /usr/share/doc/python-kde4-doc/html/allclasses.html in -doc :) [01:31] stdin: thats just kde4.. [01:31] this is all of qt [01:32] there's probably something in python-qt4-doc too [01:32] but I don't feel like reading it now, I'm too tired [01:32] hmm true XD [01:33] stdin: not to bother you, but did you figure out the pykdedocs thing? [01:33] figure what out exactly? [01:34] stdin: did you package it? its in none of the packages. [01:35] all the docs that came with pykde4 are in -doc [01:36] stdin: but this is a docbrowser which is included in pykde4, it provides interactive editing and stuff. [01:37] I can't find that in the source [01:37] "python installdocs.py" in the top level source (is what it looks like from the html page in the docs) [01:38] nosrednaekim: nope http://stdin.pastebin.com/d34f5e142 [01:39] weird!.... let me upload the HTML page i'm looking at.. [01:41] http://stdin.pastebin.com/m363c336c [01:42] example/ doesn't even exist [01:42] wow. === vorian is now known as LadiesMan217 [03:26] good evenng, does anyone have a debian kde install running that could check somehting for me? [03:36] * Hobbsee does not [03:40] just curious as to if Users Folder should be Users' Folder and corresponds in KDE (via system menu) === Shely is now known as iE18 === LongPointyStick is now known as Hobbsee === \sh_away is now known as \sh === meduxa is now known as toscalix [09:00] i'm trying to come up with a solution for a randr 1.2 dual head issue [09:01] basically, xrandr can do dual head, but it won't allow higher resolution than (widest screen)^2 unless you create a virtual display higher than that in xorg.conf [09:01] there ought to be a more easy way for that [09:13] buz: well, if 'virtual display' would be adjusted automaticly by the xserver.... ;) [09:13] buz: but that something for upstream. [09:14] well i'm not sure what xorg 7.3 does [09:14] should probably try it on hardy first [09:14] gutsy's X is a weird beast, to say the least [09:14] btw, allee you have a latitude d830 right? [09:15] buz: right. And for whatever reason I had this morning much X trouble I never had before [09:15] do you have the docking station for it? [09:15] yeap [09:15] did you get hot dokcing to work? [09:15] mine freezes unless i suspend it first [09:16] good morning folks [09:16] buz: I've plugged in without noticeable problem. But for undock I have to suspend/hibernate first, but it's this the same for windows? (never tried) [09:16] sebastian^: morning [09:16] no idea, i cant stand windows for long enough [09:17] what alsa version do you run? [09:17] (i've seen plenty of weird differences between alsa versions) [09:17] buz: the backport module [09:17] oh right [09:17] i'm using 1.0.15 against 2.6.23.9 right now [09:18] I'm still patient and use whatever kubuntu archive give me (well, not always ;) [09:18] i have tried 2.6.24rc4 (finally comes with ipw3945 drivers) but i cant compile alsa against it [09:18] and stock alsa doesnt support audio [09:19] I assume next alsa snapshot will support linux rc snapshot again [09:20] i hope so. i have filed a bug report anyway [09:20] this can't hurt [09:20] and maybe next alsa will finally allow for use of volume buttons again when using the docking station :) [09:21] buz: I use an apply keyboard and volume buttons work with the doching station ;) [09:21] well they move the master slider in my case. which is somehow not at all useful for the docking station port [09:21] that one seems to be driven by pcm slider [09:22] suffice to say, i have come to passionately hate alsa [09:22] one can tell kmix what slider to move afair [09:22] * alleeHol fires amarok and tries ... [09:22] well the master slider controls the headphone port :P [09:22] which is useful when not docked [09:23] buz: ah right, that what I use when docked. Forgot to test if docking audio out if working with new linux backport modules [09:24] i have had limited success with backport, so at some point i gave up on it [09:24] the saddest part: on 2.6.22-12 with alsa-driver-1.0.15rc1 everything worked... [09:29] buz: I can confirm (unvoluntarily) that unpluging without suspend, freezes the d830 :( [09:30] any place where one should report that? [09:30] of course, suspend isnt entirely the nicest thing either, because after resume cpufreq stops working :( [09:32] buz: I assume that's kernel business. AFAIR when I press the 'unlock' button an 'undock' event is received. but that's all [09:33] that button doesnt really seem to much at all on windows, iirc [09:33] i pressed it once for the heck of it, not much result [09:33] (same on thinkpads, btw) [09:34] can't remember I've only booted twice into vista when I bought the laptop [09:34] oh i bought mine without OS :) [09:34] vista amounts to cruel and unusual punishment in my book [09:35] buz: I was curious. But obviously not very long. so at the end it was a waste ;) [09:35] oh i already had the experience on a thinkpad [09:35] no desire to repeat it [09:36] like you, i booted it about 2 or 3 times [09:36] yeah, next a d630 is ordered without os already ;) [09:37] buz: what I dislike most is that qt can handle only one dpi setting. So a highres laptop display and a normal TFT monitor do not look good together [09:37] oh yeah [09:37] tell me about it. i have a 1920x1200 display in the notebook and a 24" next to it [09:37] one way or another, it looks weird [09:37] good day [09:38] running it at 120dpi is sort of a workable compromise [09:38] the d630 will have 100 dpi also and will as 'workstation' [09:38] well i consider 100dpi to be too low [09:38] i'd get a 17" 1920x1200 lcd if i could [09:38] buz: I've given up and use the laptop with lid closed. Everything else is too anoying [09:38] nah i need the two screens [09:38] i usuually run irc, im and email on the notebook [09:38] work on the 24" [09:39] * Jucato waves hello from a corner of the room... [09:39] but this 24" is crud. the first one i got on tuesday made humming noise. so i returned it only to get another one that's is humming [09:39] acer's quality control must be inexistant [09:39] buz: afaiu the big docking station can have an GFX card. So maybe with this you can use 2 TFT monitors [09:40] actually you can run two screens with the small one [09:40] the internatl screen will stop working [09:40] i was really surprised when i noticed that [09:40] mhmm, right. xrandr seems to hint it as vga is listed [09:41] yeah you force it to do that [09:41] i have been in fact thinking of getting two 24" :) [09:41] but i actually like the 150dpi screen in the notebook [09:41] so i decided not to [09:43] yeah, highres is nice in linux (and unusable in windows and gnome before feisty) [09:43] so what [09:43] sadly, you cant use composite on such big dual head [09:44] but then again, composite is more of a playtoay anyway [09:44] but I like the external big screen more than suffering using different dpi settings [09:45] give using vga and dvi thru docking station a try [09:45] should give you external dual head [09:46] mhm, composite should work, if it would not be blacklisted. I have Virtual 4096 1296 and hw accel is still working [09:47] heah, I will try the 2 tfts at work. Thx for the hint!! [09:47] is that nvidia or gma? [09:47] you work around the blacklisting [09:47] SKIP_CHECKS=yes compiz --replace [09:48] gma [09:48] lets see if x crashes [09:49] oh it works [09:49] sort of [09:49] the usual weirdness around kde menu bars [09:49] NEAT [09:49] maybe someone could fix kwin_composite to work on gma some day :) [09:49] yeah. [09:50] i could live with compiz save for the borders around some elements [09:50] mhmm, I should try later with a kde4 (svn) session [09:50] i havent get it to work in opengl mode [09:50] it does something in xrender mode, but not quite what i would expect [09:51] uhm lol [09:51] the last edge of the screen where the desktop should reside is not redrawing [09:51] is kdesktop living within kwin? [09:53] ? no they are 2 different progs in kde3. in kde4 desktop and panel are merged into plasma [09:55] ok so that was x crashing :P [09:55] hehe :) [09:55] so much for compiz [09:55] seen a kwin_composite video on planet [09:55] sure looks neat if only it would work [09:57] I've only interested in the better handling of multible desktop and windows that composite make possible. [10:01] well things like live icons when hovering over task bars or expose are very neat [10:01] wobbly windows are good to shut up osx users, but other than that? not really useful [10:02] :) [10:03] kwin_composite works surpringly well for me [10:05] alt tab with window brightness adjusting is also useful [10:05] i dont really believe in transparent windows though [10:20] but you're on nvidia right? [10:34] no [10:34] S3 [10:34] no accelarated support at all [10:35] * Hobbsee frowns that windows has no compiz [10:35] vista has compositing [10:36] yeah and unlike compiz, vista is actually stable [10:38] it may not be particularly fast or pretty, but it never crashed on me [10:38] * Hobbsee isn't using vista [10:40] * allee never tried/knows about kwin_composite [10:42] not sure whether the blame lies with the kubuntu pcakges, but kde4rc1 is still entirely unusable in my view [10:42] (judging from statements on planet, it probably isnt kubuntu related) [10:42] in my view, this is beta1 quality [10:44] <\sh> buz, compositing on kde4 is far away from being stable...yes, but you could help to make it stable [10:44] \sh: i cant even reliably START kde4 [10:45] for example, on my own account it crashes without any notice [10:45] pretty hard to debug [10:46] <\sh> buz, it's not for the normal user...kde4 will be a release for people coding with kde...kde 4.1 will be more for the masses... [10:46] yeah i know [10:47] buz: rc1 had unfortunate timing. One week later svn worked much better. [10:47] I've compile kdesvn ~ 2 per week and it getting better and better. No proble with plasma in the last weeks [10:48] allee: do you put your build on ppa? [10:48] <\sh> hmmm...do the kubuntu packages have debug enabled? [10:48] \sh: kdelibs and pimlibs do if you install the -dbg package [10:49] <\sh> Riddell, so it should be easy to debug for people knowing their gdb [10:52] \sh: should be [10:52] as long as the issue is in libs === Hobbsee is now known as LongPointyStick [11:34] jpatrick: no reply from sime so I guess we can just move the tutorial times [11:34] jpatrick: 17:00UTC you wanted? [11:35] Riddell: yep [11:35] thank you :) [11:40] Jucato: could you update your forum posts with the new timetable on KubuntuTutorialsDay === jpatrick_ is now known as jpatrick [11:57] stdin: would you fancy making a kde4 meta package? [12:05] Riddell: will do [12:11] Riddell: what's the new time? 17:00 UTC? https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuTutorialsDay isn't updated yet [12:12] Jucato: we've swapped the packaging and pykde4 things around [12:12] ah ok. so the starting time for the whole day is still the same? [12:12] yep [12:12] ah ok. silly me :P [12:39] hi there [12:39] it looks like kde4 is broken today... [12:39] dolphin: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/kde4/lib/libdolphinprivate.so.1: undefined symbol: _ZN24KDirSortFilterProxyModel16staticMetaObjectE [12:39] probably needs rebuilt against a newly updated lib or something.... [12:39] Riddell: is that known problem ? === _czessi is now known as Czessi [13:16] Tonio_: probably you have the new rc libs but not kdebase [13:16] it's still compiling [13:16] Riddell: ah oki [13:16] RC2 is out? [13:17] Riddell: 3.97 right ? [13:17] yup [13:17] Tonio_: yes [13:17] nosrednaekim: not yet [13:17] fdoving: adding -f option support to kdesudo [13:17] fdoving: and toonight the -t [13:18] Riddell: will they be out by the end of the day? I can't DL over the weekend. [13:18] nosrednaekim: no [13:18] k [13:19] I can have patience...... I think :D [13:25] I have found a bug related to kdesudo today's morning [13:25] poke Tonio_ [13:25] Serega: which is ? [13:27] it doesn't work with system settings for one [13:27] Riddell: already fixed [13:27] Riddell: I'll plan to release new tarball and package today [13:27] Tonio_: if I plug removable media during e.g. Adept works, there are two windows "What to do" appear. One from my user and another from root [13:28] Serega: that one is interesting [13:28] lemme try to reproduce [13:28] Tonio_: as a result if I choose the root's prompt, I will not be able to umount the media via "Safely remove" [13:28] which makes sense [13:29] now the big deal is "where is my usb key ?" :) [13:29] Tonio_: yeah. I found it out due to different system and my user locales :) [13:29] so I got 2 prompts on different languages [13:29] :) [13:32] Serega: one for root and one for the user..... [13:32] aha.... maybe two instances of some KDE services are up? [13:32] Serega: just found a microsd + adapter, let's test [13:32] Serega: I suspect so [13:32] ran without adept -> works [13:33] true [13:33] Serega: no problem here with new kdesudo codebase [13:34] Serega: fancy testing with new deb file ? [13:34] Tonio_: I trapped into it on current gutsy [13:34] Serega: you'll find a package here : http://tonio.homelinux.org/temp/ [13:35] test it for you? [13:35] please, since I can't seem to reproduce, I'll like you to confirm :) [13:35] I'm at work now :( [13:35] ah..... well when you have time, please report to me if that worked :) [13:35] Tonio_: I wiil be able to test in evening [13:36] Tonio_: ok, of cause [13:36] *course [13:36] super [13:36] * Serega forgot :) [13:36] Serega: I suspect that'll fix the issue, as kdesudo has been mostly rewritten recently [13:36] Serega: fixes almost all bugs reported to launchpad btw [13:37] Tonio_: you rock! [13:39] Serega: I try to, at least, which is a good step to eventually, in a far future.... :) [13:39] :) [13:42] fdoving: for the -t option, it looks like kdesudo already uses shell by default, due to sudo [13:42] fdoving: probably just adding a fake option for cmdline compatibility would suffice [13:47] fdoving: can you give me a use case to reproduce current problem ? === Igorots is now known as Knightlust [13:57] Riddell: Any thoughts about maybe putting ktnef in Main for Hardy? Personally, I get enough broken mail from Outlook/Exchange users in my work that I'd be pretty well dead without it. [14:02] ScottK: I've never worked out what TNEF files are [14:02] /win 13 [14:02] tsk [14:02] Riddell: It's a non-standard MIME type that either Outlook or Echange (not sure which) wraps around attachments in some configurations. [14:03] So the people I work with that have that config, when I get attachments from them they are totally unreadable in Kmail without Ktnef. [14:03] ScottK: do you think we should have it on the CD? [14:03] With it, it's click, click, open the attachment. [14:03] Riddell: It would be very nice for interoperability to have it. [14:04] Given there are space constraints, I'd say it's not critical. I'd have to weigh that against what you have to throw out to get it. [14:04] I do think it should be part of the 'supported' Kubuntu package set. [14:04] My preference would be to install it by default so this 'just works'. === Hobbsee_ is now known as Hobbsee [14:06] ScottK: it seems to be a standalone application [14:06] doesn't it get run from within kmail? [14:06] Riddell: I'll have to go back and check, but I think Kmail just knows to use it when it's installed due to mime type registration. [14:07] It can run as a standalone, but the primary use case is from within Kmail. [14:09] I'm currently catching up on e-mail and noticing how useful it is in the case of you get mail like this. [14:12] ScottK: I don't like adding extra cruft to the kmenu [14:12] ScottK: do you know if it works with NoDisplay=true in /usr/share/applications/kde/ktnef.desktop ? [14:13] Riddell: OK. It used to not display. I don't recall exactly how it was done. Actually my first patch for Kubuntu was to enable the display (I didn't fully understand things then). [14:13] I think so (that sounds right). [14:13] Riddell: How about install by default, but no icon? [14:14] could be doable [14:15] Riddell: OK. Sounds like I have a spec to write or do you want to fold this into a higher level KDE for Hardy spec? [14:16] ScottK: this isn't spec material [14:17] it's just deciding if we put it in universe or main and what needs done to the menu .desktop file [14:17] mm, no [14:17] it's just deciding if we put it in supported or desktop and what needs done to the menu .desktop file [14:17] Riddell: OK. So what would you like for me to do on this then? === \sh is now known as \sh_away [15:04] Riddell: meta package? [15:08] fdoving: -f done, not the easiest I must say [15:26] Heya [15:27] hello [15:28] Riddell: is our kdesu still patched ? [15:29] Riddell: hum, your sudo patches are upstream now, I forgot that [15:37] stdin: a kde 4 version of meta-kde [15:37] hi mendred [15:37] hi morr [15:38] hi Riddell [15:38] Riddell: I guess I could, don't think I've made a mata package before though [16:10] Hello, my KDE 4 installation in Hardy is broken. An error "Could not start D-bus. Check your installation" is shown when I start it. Do you think it is a bug? [16:15] maini10: did this just start, or is this the first time you are trying to run KDE 4? [16:16] maini10: check and make sure you have dbus-x11 installed, if not, install it [16:17] nixternal: I'll check it [16:26] meduxa: you may have upgraded to the new kdelibs today, but the rest hasn't compiled [16:27] oh, he left [16:27] sorry meduxa [16:27] I'm here [16:27] meduxa: was ment for someone else who started with m [16:28] ah === aRyn changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Welcome to #kubuntu-devel | 7.10 out, you all rock! | Merge away: http://merges.ubuntu.com/main.html http://merges.ubuntu.com/universe.html | Developer Meeting Wednesday 12th Dec. at 23:00 UTC | Tutorial Day a week on Thursday 13th https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuTutorialsDay7 [16:41] where would i upload new packages [16:45] aRyn: why did you do that? [16:45] hrm === Riddell changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Welcome to #kubuntu-devel | 7.10 out, you all rock! | Merge away: http://merges.ubuntu.com/main.html http://merges.ubuntu.com/universe.html | Developer Meeting Wednesday 12th Dec. at 23:00 UTC | Tutorial Day a week on Thursday 13th https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuTutorialsDay [16:46] aRyn: don't mess up the topic [16:46] sry, disconnect [16:46] Riddell: did what? [16:46] hmm? [16:46] ooops [16:46] sry, didn't want to [16:47] missclick [17:21] Riddell: I think this should do http://stdin.me.uk/kde4/ let me know if it's ok or needs anything else [17:23] let me look stdin [17:24] stdin: homepage under standards-version [17:25] heh, yeah [17:26] standards-version is 3.7.3 now I believe [17:26] yep [17:27] kde4-devel should depend on libplasma-dev I think [17:27] Depends: kde4-core (>= 5:47) [17:27] looks wrong [17:28] damn, I thought I changed all of those... [17:29] ok, hit refresh and it should be fixed :) [17:31] stdin: some descriptions you've added "version 4" but not all [17:31] nixternal: I have fixed dbus issue following your suggestion. Thanks. But now, KDE teminates about 10 seconds after start without explanation [17:31] I think they should all have that [17:32] maini10: do individual apps work? [17:32] ahh, was missing in kde4. didn't see that [17:32] No, it's not possible to start KDE. [17:33] maini10: try just starting one app [17:34] maini10: start it in a Xephyr session so that you can see the error. [17:41] Riddell: should all be fixed now [17:42] nosrednaekim: thanks, could you give more details on what I should do? [17:44] maini10: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-rc1.php [17:44] Riddell: should we upload beta packages? (wanna update knights) [17:44] maini10: what should explain it pretty well [17:44] *that [17:45] Knights? [17:45] jpatrick: it depends on the circumstances, is there a reason a user would want the beta over the stable version? [17:45] chess program [17:45] Ah right of course :) [17:45] jpatrick: will a final version be released in time for the hardy release schedule? [17:46] "Knights 0.6.4 Beta -- Sunday February 6th, 2005" [17:46] I don't think so.. [17:46] Ha ha :) [17:46] nosrednaekim: I'm unable to start Xephyr. Could you give the right command to use it? [17:47] jpatrick: does the beta have bugs in it? [17:47] the command on that page didn't work? [17:47] "! Known Crash Bug during online play." - that's so useful [17:47] okay, forget knights. /me looks for something else to package [17:48] jpatrick: I've got a new extragear-plasma if you fancy [17:49] I'll do kmplayer first [17:54] stdin: meta-kde4 looks all good. jpatrick, any final objections to me uploading? [17:55] Riddell: +1 from me [17:55] yay :) [18:02] Hi [18:02] I've made a patch for bug #57666 [18:02] Launchpad bug 57666 in kdebase "Odd quirk when trying to install SMB Printers" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/57666 [18:02] Can someone please review it? [18:02] (last comment of the bug report) [18:04] smarter: cool [18:05] smarter: can you take me through what your patch does, it's not code I'm at all familiar with [18:05] calling nmblookup and pasing the output? [18:05] Riddell: yes [18:06] Riddell: I've removed all the grep and sed things [18:06] Riddell: and I don't parse smbclient because the result are not always what they should be [18:06] Riddell: It's inspired by what system-config-printer does [18:07] Riddell: I've also disabled the -A option for anonymous login because it's not needed and doesn't work [18:07] smarter: so without the grep and sed bits does it still give usable output? [18:08] neversfelde: were you going to test qt 4 and xinerama? [18:08] Riddell: yes because I check with "if (words[1] != "<00>" || words[3] == "")" [18:09] Riddell: sorry, for not testing xinerama and qt 4. My isp has some problems and I have no internet connection at home [18:09] ;) [18:09] problems should be solved tomorrow morning and I can test then, if it is still needed? [18:09] neversfelde: actually I just found someone else to do it [18:09] neversfelde: although a second opinion is always useful [18:09] Riddell: ok, i will try it [18:10] smarter: seems all pretty sane, I don't have any way of testing it but I suppose I can just apply and ask for testers on that bug report [18:10] Riddell: thanks ;) [18:11] Riddell: I've also made another simple patch to fix bug #102753 [18:11] Launchpad bug 102753 in adept "adept does not display utf-8 text correctly" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/102753 [18:12] Which was too late for gutsy [18:15] smarter: kdelibs patch uploaded, many thanks [18:15] smarter: pretty nice! [18:17] Serega: thank you ;) [18:18] This bug was really annoying me :P [18:23] smarter: adept patch looks good too [18:27] smarter: uploaded [18:27] Riddell: can it make it into gutsy-update or gutsy-backports? [18:27] smarter: which? [18:27] neither is serious enough for -updates [18:27] -backports sure, just go through the normal channels [18:27] Riddell: okay, thanks [18:28] stdin: rc 2 packages are starting to appear, do you fancy being the gutsy PPA dude again? [18:29] sure, nothing like a night of backporting kde4 to make the long winter hours fly by :p [18:29] stdin: I'm thinking we should start a new team since I get complains if we do it in kubuntu-members [18:30] complaints about gettings lots of error messages from ubuntu council and other people [18:30] may be a good idea, something like kde4-packages [18:30] :) [18:30] stdin: exactly [18:32] jpatrick: qgis needs merged if you're looking for things needing done [18:33] Riddell: Yes. Please. I get enough mail without those. [18:34] it's a mis-feature in launchpad I'd say [18:35] stdin: well go ahead, kde4libs, kdepimlibs, kdebase-runtime, kdebase-kde4 and kdebase-workspace seem to be ready to go [18:35] downloading already :) [18:36] Riddell: There are lots of those. [18:37] ScottK: heretic :) === milian_ is now known as milian [18:37] Yeah. That'd be me. [18:50] Hey guys, I would like to create a patch for some kde files. Trouble is that I already compiled it, so there seem to be some rather useless files that I don't want to include in the patch. Is there anything like "make clean" for dpkg-buildpackage generated content?? [18:52] X2B: debuild -S [18:52] debuild is dpkg-buildpackage but a bit better [18:52] -S is make a source package (which involves cleaning the sources) [18:54] oh, jjesse, I've to reply to your e-mail [18:54] Riddell: cool i'll read it and write back [18:54]