[01:23] <nosrednaekim> stdin: looks like that package works fine..
[01:24] <nosrednaekim> stdin: wrote a simple little program and it works as its supposed to. tried writing a little bit more complicated one and its not working, but I think thats MY problem
[01:24] <stdin> nosrednaekim: great, thanks for testing. it is svn so there are probably some bugs in it anyway
[01:25] <nosrednaekim> stdin: Its definately my error, QImage doesn't have some of the methods i'm used to so I can figure out how to actually display the dang thing. XD
[01:28] <nosrednaekim> Riddell: hey, this might be useful for the upcoming pyqt/kde4 info session.... its all the qt 4.3 docs translated to python http://docs.huihoo.com/pyqt/pyqt4/html/classes.html
[01:31] <stdin> nosrednaekim: there's also /usr/share/doc/python-kde4-doc/html/allclasses.html in -doc :)
[01:31] <nosrednaekim> stdin: thats just kde4..
[01:31] <nosrednaekim> this is all of qt
[01:32] <stdin> there's probably something in python-qt4-doc too
[01:32] <stdin> but I don't feel like reading it now, I'm too tired
[01:32] <nosrednaekim> hmm true XD
[01:33] <nosrednaekim> stdin: not to bother you, but did you figure out the pykdedocs thing?
[01:33] <stdin> figure what out exactly?
[01:34] <nosrednaekim> stdin: did you package it? its in none of the packages.
[01:35] <stdin> all the docs that came with pykde4 are in -doc
[01:36] <nosrednaekim> stdin: but this is a docbrowser which is included in pykde4, it provides interactive editing and stuff.
[01:37] <stdin> I can't find that in the source
[01:37] <nosrednaekim> "python installdocs.py" in the top level source (is what it looks like from the html page in the docs)
[01:38] <stdin> nosrednaekim: nope http://stdin.pastebin.com/d34f5e142
[01:39] <nosrednaekim> weird!.... let me upload the HTML page i'm looking at..
[01:41] <nosrednaekim> http://stdin.pastebin.com/m363c336c
[01:42] <stdin> example/ doesn't even exist
[01:42] <nosrednaekim> wow.
[03:26] <jjesse> good evenng, does anyone have a debian kde install running that could check somehting for me?
[03:36]  * Hobbsee does not
[03:40] <jjesse> just curious as to if Users Folder should be Users' Folder and corresponds in KDE (via system menu)
[09:00] <buz> i'm trying to come up with a solution for a randr 1.2 dual head issue
[09:01] <buz> basically, xrandr can do dual head, but it won't allow higher resolution than (widest screen)^2 unless you create a virtual display higher than that in xorg.conf
[09:01] <buz> there ought to be a more easy way for that
[09:13] <alleeHol> buz: well, if 'virtual display' would be adjusted automaticly by the xserver....  ;)
[09:13] <alleeHol> buz: but that something for upstream.
[09:14] <buz> well i'm not sure what xorg 7.3 does
[09:14] <buz> should probably try it on hardy first
[09:14] <buz> gutsy's X is a weird beast, to say the least
[09:14] <buz> btw, allee you have a latitude d830 right?
[09:15] <alleeHol> buz: right.  And for whatever reason I had this morning much X trouble I never had before
[09:15] <buz> do you have the docking station for it?
[09:15] <alleeHol> yeap
[09:15] <buz> did you get hot dokcing to work?
[09:15] <buz> mine freezes unless i suspend it first
[09:16] <sebastian^> good morning folks
[09:16] <alleeHol> buz:  I've plugged in without noticeable problem.  But for undock I have to suspend/hibernate first,  but it's this the same for windows? (never tried)
[09:16] <alleeHol> sebastian^: morning
[09:16] <buz> no idea, i cant stand windows for long enough
[09:17] <buz> what alsa version do you run?
[09:17] <buz> (i've seen plenty of weird differences between alsa versions)
[09:17] <alleeHol> buz: the backport module
[09:17] <buz> oh right
[09:17] <buz> i'm using 1.0.15 against 2.6.23.9 right now
[09:18] <alleeHol> I'm still patient and use whatever kubuntu archive give me (well, not always ;)
[09:18] <buz> i have tried 2.6.24rc4 (finally comes with ipw3945 drivers) but i cant compile alsa against it
[09:18] <buz> and stock alsa doesnt support audio
[09:19] <alleeHol> I assume next alsa snapshot will support linux rc snapshot again
[09:20] <buz> i hope so. i have filed a bug report anyway
[09:20] <alleeHol> this can't hurt
[09:20] <buz> and maybe next alsa will finally allow for use of volume buttons again when using the docking station :)
[09:21] <alleeHol> buz: I use an apply keyboard and volume buttons work with the doching station ;)
[09:21] <buz> well they move the master slider in my case. which is somehow not at all useful for the docking station port
[09:21] <buz> that one seems to be driven by pcm slider
[09:22] <buz> suffice to say, i have come to passionately hate alsa
[09:22] <alleeHol> one can tell kmix what slider to move afair
[09:22]  * alleeHol fires amarok and tries ...
[09:22] <buz> well the master slider controls the headphone port :P
[09:22] <buz> which is useful when not docked
[09:23] <alleeHol> buz: ah right, that what I use when docked.  Forgot to test if docking audio out if working with new linux backport modules
[09:24] <buz> i have had limited success with backport, so at some point i gave up on it
[09:24] <buz> the saddest part: on 2.6.22-12 with alsa-driver-1.0.15rc1 everything worked...
[09:29] <allee> buz: I can confirm (unvoluntarily) that unpluging without suspend, freezes the d830 :(
[09:30] <buz> any place where one should report that?
[09:30] <buz> of course, suspend isnt entirely the nicest thing either, because after resume cpufreq stops working :(
[09:32] <allee> buz: I assume that's kernel business.   AFAIR when I press the 'unlock' button an 'undock' event is received.   but that's all
[09:33] <buz> that button doesnt really seem to much at all on windows, iirc
[09:33] <buz> i pressed it once for the heck of it, not much result
[09:33] <buz> (same on thinkpads, btw)
[09:34] <allee> can't remember I've only booted twice into vista when I bought the laptop
[09:34] <buz> oh i bought mine without OS :)
[09:34] <buz> vista amounts to cruel and unusual punishment in my book
[09:35] <allee> buz: I was curious.  But obviously not very long.  so at the end it was a waste ;)
[09:35] <buz> oh i already had the experience on a thinkpad
[09:35] <buz> no desire to repeat it
[09:36] <buz> like you, i booted it about 2 or 3 times
[09:36] <allee> yeah, next a d630 is ordered without os already ;)
[09:37] <allee> buz: what I dislike most is that qt can handle only one dpi setting.  So a highres laptop display and a normal TFT monitor do not look good together
[09:37] <buz> oh yeah
[09:37] <buz> tell me about it. i have a 1920x1200 display in the notebook and a 24" next to it
[09:37] <buz> one way or another, it looks weird
[09:37] <Serega> good day
[09:38] <buz> running it at 120dpi is sort of a workable compromise
[09:38] <allee> the d630 will have 100 dpi also and will as 'workstation'
[09:38] <buz> well i consider 100dpi to be too low
[09:38] <buz> i'd get a 17" 1920x1200 lcd if i could
[09:38] <allee> buz: I've given up and use the laptop with lid closed.  Everything else is too anoying
[09:38] <buz> nah  i need the two screens
[09:38] <buz> i usuually run irc, im and email on the notebook
[09:38] <buz> work on the 24"
[09:39]  * Jucato waves hello from a corner of the room...
[09:39] <buz> but this 24" is crud. the first one i got on tuesday made humming noise. so i returned it only to get another one that's is humming
[09:39] <buz> acer's quality control must be inexistant
[09:39] <allee> buz: afaiu the big docking station can have an GFX card.  So maybe with this you can use 2 TFT monitors
[09:40] <buz> actually you can run two screens with the small one
[09:40] <buz> the internatl screen will stop working
[09:40] <buz> i was really surprised when i noticed that
[09:40] <allee> mhmm, right.  xrandr seems to  hint it as vga is listed
[09:41] <buz> yeah you force it to do that
[09:41] <buz> i have been in fact thinking of getting two 24" :)
[09:41] <buz> but i actually like the 150dpi screen in the notebook
[09:41] <buz> so i decided not to
[09:43] <allee> yeah, highres is nice in linux (and unusable in windows and gnome before feisty)
[09:43] <buz> so what
[09:43] <buz> sadly, you cant use composite on such big dual head
[09:44] <buz> but then again, composite is more of a playtoay anyway
[09:44] <allee> but I like the external big screen more than suffering using different dpi  settings
[09:45] <buz> give using vga and dvi thru docking station a try
[09:45] <buz> should give you external dual head
[09:46] <allee> mhm, composite should work, if it would not be blacklisted.  I have  Virtual         4096 1296   and hw accel is still working
[09:47] <allee> heah, I will try the 2 tfts at work.  Thx for the hint!!
[09:47] <buz> is that nvidia or gma?
[09:47] <buz> you work around the blacklisting
[09:47] <buz>  SKIP_CHECKS=yes compiz --replace
[09:48] <allee> gma
[09:48] <buz> lets see if x crashes
[09:49] <buz> oh it works
[09:49] <buz> sort of
[09:49] <buz> the usual weirdness around kde menu bars
[09:49] <buz> NEAT
[09:49] <buz> maybe someone could fix kwin_composite to work on gma some day :)
[09:49] <allee> yeah.
[09:50] <buz> i could live with compiz save for the borders around some elements
[09:50] <allee> mhmm, I should try later with a kde4 (svn) session
[09:50] <buz> i havent get it to work in opengl mode
[09:50] <buz> it does something in xrender mode, but not quite what i would expect
[09:51] <buz> uhm lol
[09:51] <buz> the last edge of the screen where the desktop should reside is not redrawing
[09:51] <buz> is kdesktop living within kwin?
[09:53] <allee> ? no they are 2 different progs in kde3.  in kde4 desktop and panel are merged into plasma
[09:55] <buz> ok so that was x crashing :P
[09:55] <allee> hehe :)
[09:55] <buz> so much for compiz
[09:55] <buz> seen a kwin_composite video on planet
[09:55] <buz> sure looks neat if only it would work
[09:57] <allee> I've only interested in the better handling of multible desktop and windows that composite make possible.
[10:01] <buz> well things like live icons when hovering over task bars or expose are very neat
[10:01] <buz> wobbly windows are good to shut up osx users, but other than that? not really useful
[10:02] <allee> :)
[10:03] <Riddell> kwin_composite works surpringly well for me
[10:05] <buz> alt tab with window brightness adjusting is also useful
[10:05] <buz> i dont really believe in transparent windows though
[10:20] <buz> but you're on nvidia right?
[10:34] <Riddell> no
[10:34] <Riddell> S3
[10:34] <Riddell> no accelarated support at all
[10:35]  * Hobbsee frowns that windows has no compiz
[10:35] <Riddell> vista has compositing
[10:36] <buz> yeah and unlike compiz, vista is actually stable
[10:38] <buz> it may not be particularly fast or pretty, but it never crashed on me
[10:38]  * Hobbsee isn't using vista
[10:40]  * allee never tried/knows about kwin_composite
[10:42] <buz> not sure whether the blame lies with the kubuntu pcakges, but kde4rc1 is still entirely unusable in my view
[10:42] <buz> (judging from statements on planet, it probably isnt kubuntu related)
[10:42] <buz> in my view, this is beta1 quality
[10:44] <\sh> buz, compositing on kde4 is far away from being stable...yes, but you could help to make it stable
[10:44] <buz> \sh: i cant even reliably START kde4
[10:45] <buz> for example, on my own account it crashes without any notice
[10:45] <buz> pretty hard to debug
[10:46] <\sh> buz, it's not for the normal user...kde4 will be a release for people coding with kde...kde 4.1 will be more for the masses...
[10:46] <buz> yeah i know
[10:47] <allee> buz: rc1 had unfortunate timing.  One week later svn worked much better.
[10:47] <allee> I've compile kdesvn ~ 2 per week and it getting better and better.  No proble with plasma in the last weeks
[10:48] <buz> allee: do you put your build on ppa?
[10:48] <\sh> hmmm...do the kubuntu packages have debug enabled?
[10:48] <Riddell> \sh: kdelibs and pimlibs do if you install the -dbg package
[10:49] <\sh> Riddell, so it should be easy to debug for people knowing their gdb
[10:52] <Riddell> \sh: should be
[10:52] <Riddell> as long as the issue is in libs
[11:34] <Riddell> jpatrick: no reply from sime so I guess we can just move the tutorial times
[11:34] <Riddell> jpatrick: 17:00UTC you wanted?
[11:35] <jpatrick> Riddell: yep
[11:35] <jpatrick> thank you :)
[11:40] <Riddell> Jucato: could you update your forum posts with the new timetable on KubuntuTutorialsDay
[11:57] <Riddell> stdin: would you fancy making a kde4 meta package?
[12:05] <Jucato> Riddell: will do
[12:11] <Jucato> Riddell: what's the new time? 17:00 UTC? https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuTutorialsDay isn't updated yet
[12:12] <jpatrick> Jucato: we've swapped the packaging and pykde4 things around
[12:12] <Jucato> ah ok. so the starting time for the whole day is still the same?
[12:12] <jpatrick> yep
[12:12] <Jucato> ah ok. silly me :P
[12:39] <Tonio_> hi there
[12:39] <Tonio_> it looks like kde4 is broken today...
[12:39] <Tonio_> dolphin: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/kde4/lib/libdolphinprivate.so.1: undefined symbol: _ZN24KDirSortFilterProxyModel16staticMetaObjectE
[12:39] <Tonio_> probably needs rebuilt against a newly updated lib or something....
[12:39] <Tonio_> Riddell: is that known problem ?
[13:16] <Riddell> Tonio_: probably you have the new rc libs but not kdebase
[13:16] <Riddell> it's still compiling
[13:16] <Tonio_> Riddell: ah oki
[13:16] <nosrednaekim> RC2 is out?
[13:17] <Tonio_> Riddell: 3.97 right ?
[13:17] <nosrednaekim> yup
[13:17] <Riddell> Tonio_: yes
[13:17] <Riddell> nosrednaekim: not yet
[13:17] <Tonio_> fdoving: adding -f option support to kdesudo
[13:17] <Tonio_> fdoving: and toonight the -t
[13:18] <nosrednaekim> Riddell: will they be out by the end of the day? I can't DL over the weekend.
[13:18] <Riddell> nosrednaekim: no
[13:18] <nosrednaekim> k
[13:19] <nosrednaekim> I can have patience...... I think :D
[13:25] <Serega> I have found a bug related to kdesudo today's morning
[13:25] <Riddell> poke Tonio_
[13:25] <Tonio_> Serega: which is ?
[13:27] <Riddell> it doesn't work with system settings for one
[13:27] <Tonio_> Riddell: already fixed
[13:27] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll plan to release new tarball and package today
[13:27] <Serega> Tonio_: if I plug removable media during e.g. Adept works, there are two windows "What to do" appear. One from my user and another from root
[13:28] <Tonio_> Serega: that one is interesting
[13:28] <Tonio_> lemme try to reproduce
[13:28] <Serega> Tonio_: as a result if I choose the root's prompt, I will not be able to umount the media via "Safely remove"
[13:28] <Tonio_> which makes sense
[13:29] <Tonio_> now the big deal is "where is my usb key ?" :)
[13:29] <Serega> Tonio_: yeah. I found it out due to different system and my user locales :)
[13:29] <Serega> so I got 2 prompts on different languages
[13:29] <Serega> :)
[13:32] <Tonio_> Serega: one for root and one for the user.....
[13:32] <Serega> aha.... maybe two instances of some KDE services are up?
[13:32] <Tonio_> Serega: just found a microsd + adapter, let's test
[13:32] <Tonio_> Serega: I suspect so
[13:32] <Tonio_> ran without adept -> works
[13:33] <Serega> true
[13:33] <Tonio_> Serega: no problem here with new kdesudo codebase
[13:34] <Tonio_> Serega: fancy testing with new deb file ?
[13:34] <Serega> Tonio_: I trapped into it on current gutsy
[13:34] <Tonio_> Serega: you'll find a package here : http://tonio.homelinux.org/temp/
[13:35] <Serega> test it for you?
[13:35] <Tonio_> please, since I can't seem to reproduce, I'll like you to confirm :)
[13:35] <Serega> I'm at work now :(
[13:35] <Tonio_> ah..... well when you have time, please report to me if that worked :)
[13:35] <Serega> Tonio_: I wiil be able to test in evening
[13:36] <Serega> Tonio_: ok, of cause
[13:36] <Serega> *course
[13:36] <Tonio_> super
[13:36]  * Serega forgot :)
[13:36] <Tonio_> Serega: I suspect that'll fix the issue, as kdesudo has been mostly rewritten recently
[13:36] <Tonio_> Serega: fixes almost all bugs reported to launchpad btw
[13:37] <Serega> Tonio_: you rock!
[13:39] <Tonio_> Serega: I try to, at least, which is a good step to eventually, in a far future.... :)
[13:39] <Serega> :)
[13:42] <Tonio_> fdoving: for the -t option, it looks like kdesudo already uses shell by default, due to sudo
[13:42] <Tonio_> fdoving: probably just adding a fake option for cmdline compatibility would suffice
[13:47] <Tonio_> fdoving: can you give me a use case to reproduce current problem ?
[13:57] <ScottK> Riddell: Any thoughts about maybe putting ktnef in Main for Hardy?  Personally, I get enough broken mail from Outlook/Exchange users in my work that I'd be pretty well dead without it.
[14:02] <Riddell> ScottK: I've never worked out what TNEF files are
[14:02] <Riddell>  /win 13
[14:02] <Riddell> tsk
[14:02] <ScottK> Riddell: It's a non-standard MIME type that either Outlook or Echange (not sure which) wraps around attachments in some configurations.
[14:03] <ScottK> So the people I work with that have that config, when I get attachments from them they are totally unreadable in Kmail without Ktnef.
[14:03] <Riddell> ScottK: do you think we should have it on the CD?
[14:03] <ScottK> With it, it's click, click, open the attachment.
[14:03] <ScottK> Riddell: It would be very nice for interoperability to have it.
[14:04] <ScottK> Given there are space constraints, I'd say it's not critical.  I'd have to weigh that against what you have to throw out to get it.
[14:04] <ScottK> I do think it should be part of the 'supported' Kubuntu package set.
[14:04] <ScottK> My preference would be to install it by default so this 'just works'.
[14:06] <Riddell> ScottK: it seems to be a standalone application
[14:06] <Riddell> doesn't it get run from within kmail?
[14:06] <ScottK> Riddell: I'll have to go back and check, but I think Kmail just knows to use it when it's installed due to mime type registration.
[14:07] <ScottK> It can run as a standalone, but the primary use case is from within Kmail.
[14:09] <ScottK> I'm currently catching up on e-mail and noticing how useful it is in the case of you get mail like this.
[14:12] <Riddell> ScottK: I don't like adding extra cruft to the kmenu
[14:12] <Riddell> ScottK: do you know if it works with NoDisplay=true in /usr/share/applications/kde/ktnef.desktop ?
[14:13] <ScottK> Riddell: OK.  It used to not display.  I don't recall exactly how it was done.  Actually my first patch for Kubuntu was to enable the display (I didn't fully understand things then).
[14:13] <ScottK> I think so (that sounds right).
[14:13] <ScottK> Riddell: How about install by default, but no icon?
[14:14] <Riddell> could be doable
[14:15] <ScottK> Riddell: OK.  Sounds like I have a spec to write or do you want to fold this into a higher level KDE for Hardy spec?
[14:16] <Riddell> ScottK: this isn't spec material
[14:17] <Riddell> it's just deciding if we put it in universe or main and what needs done to the menu .desktop file
[14:17] <Riddell> mm, no
[14:17] <Riddell> it's just deciding if we put it in supported or desktop and what needs done to the menu .desktop file
[14:17] <ScottK> Riddell: OK.  So what would you like for me to do on this then?
[15:04] <stdin> Riddell: meta package?
[15:08] <Tonio_> fdoving: -f done, not the easiest I must say
[15:26] <bddebian> Heya
[15:27] <morr> hello
[15:28] <Tonio_> Riddell: is our kdesu still patched ?
[15:29] <Tonio_> Riddell: hum, your sudo patches are upstream now, I forgot that
[15:37] <Riddell> stdin: a kde 4 version of meta-kde
[15:37] <Riddell> hi mendred
[15:37] <Riddell> hi morr
[15:38] <mendred> hi Riddell
[15:38] <stdin> Riddell: I guess I could, don't think I've made a mata package before though
[16:10] <maini10> Hello, my KDE 4 installation in Hardy is broken. An error "Could not start D-bus. Check your installation" is shown when I start it. Do you think it is a bug?
[16:15] <nixternal> maini10: did this just start, or is this the first time you are trying to run KDE 4?
[16:16] <nixternal> maini10: check and make sure you have dbus-x11 installed, if not, install it
[16:17] <maini10> nixternal: I'll check it
[16:26] <Riddell> meduxa: you may have upgraded to the new kdelibs today, but the rest hasn't compiled
[16:27] <Riddell> oh, he left
[16:27] <Riddell> sorry meduxa
[16:27] <meduxa> I'm here
[16:27] <Riddell> meduxa: was ment for someone else who started with m
[16:28] <meduxa> ah
[16:41] <skyfalcon866> where would i upload new packages
[16:45] <Riddell> aRyn: why did you do that?
[16:45] <Riddell> hrm
[16:46] <Riddell> aRyn: don't mess up the topic
[16:46] <aRyn> sry, disconnect
[16:46] <aRyn> Riddell: did what?
[16:46] <aRyn> hmm?
[16:46] <aRyn> ooops
[16:46] <aRyn> sry, didn't want to
[16:47] <aRyn> missclick
[17:21] <stdin> Riddell: I think this should do http://stdin.me.uk/kde4/  let me know if it's ok or needs anything else
[17:23] <Riddell> let me look stdin
[17:24] <jpatrick> stdin: homepage under standards-version
[17:25] <stdin> heh, yeah
[17:26] <Riddell> standards-version is 3.7.3 now I believe
[17:26] <jpatrick> yep
[17:27] <Riddell> kde4-devel should depend on libplasma-dev I think
[17:27] <Riddell> Depends: kde4-core (>= 5:47)
[17:27] <Riddell> looks wrong
[17:28] <stdin> damn, I thought I changed all of those...
[17:29] <stdin> ok, hit refresh and it should be fixed :)
[17:31] <Riddell> stdin: some descriptions you've added "version 4" but not all
[17:31] <maini10> nixternal: I have fixed dbus issue following your suggestion. Thanks. But now, KDE teminates about 10 seconds after start without explanation
[17:31] <Riddell> I think they should all have that
[17:32] <Riddell> maini10: do individual apps work?
[17:32] <stdin> ahh, was missing in kde4. didn't see that
[17:32] <maini10> No, it's not possible to start KDE.
[17:33] <Riddell> maini10: try just starting one app
[17:34] <nosrednaekim> maini10: start it in a Xephyr session so that you can see the error.
[17:41] <stdin> Riddell: should all be fixed now
[17:42] <maini10> nosrednaekim: thanks, could you give more details on what I should do?
[17:44] <nosrednaekim> maini10: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-rc1.php
[17:44] <jpatrick> Riddell: should we upload beta packages? (wanna update knights)
[17:44] <nosrednaekim> maini10: what should explain it pretty well
[17:44] <nosrednaekim> *that
[17:45] <DaSkreech> Knights?
[17:45] <Riddell> jpatrick: it depends on the circumstances, is there a reason a user would want the beta over the stable version?
[17:45] <jpatrick> chess program
[17:45] <DaSkreech> Ah right of course :)
[17:45] <Riddell> jpatrick: will a final version be released in time for the hardy release schedule?
[17:46] <jpatrick> "Knights 0.6.4 Beta -- Sunday February 6th, 2005"
[17:46] <jpatrick> I don't think so..
[17:46] <DaSkreech> Ha ha :)
[17:46] <maini10> nosrednaekim: I'm unable to start Xephyr. Could you give the right command to use it?
[17:47] <Riddell> jpatrick: does the beta have bugs in it?
[17:47] <nosrednaekim> the command on that page didn't work?
[17:47] <jpatrick> "! Known Crash Bug during online play." - that's so useful
[17:47] <jpatrick> okay, forget knights. /me looks for something else to package
[17:48] <Riddell> jpatrick: I've got a new extragear-plasma if you fancy
[17:49] <jpatrick> I'll do kmplayer first
[17:54] <Riddell> stdin: meta-kde4 looks all good.  jpatrick, any final objections to me uploading?
[17:55] <jpatrick> Riddell: +1 from me
[17:55] <stdin> yay :)
[18:02] <smarter> Hi
[18:02] <smarter> I've made a patch for bug #57666
[18:02] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 57666 in kdebase "Odd quirk when trying to install SMB Printers" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/57666
[18:02] <smarter> Can someone please review it?
[18:02] <smarter> (last comment of the bug report)
[18:04] <Riddell> smarter: cool
[18:05] <Riddell> smarter: can you take me through what your patch does, it's not code I'm at all familiar with
[18:05] <Riddell> calling nmblookup and pasing the output?
[18:05] <smarter> Riddell: yes
[18:06] <smarter> Riddell: I've removed all the grep and sed things
[18:06] <smarter> Riddell: and I don't parse smbclient because the result are not always what they should be
[18:06] <smarter> Riddell: It's inspired by what system-config-printer does
[18:07] <smarter> Riddell: I've also disabled the -A<file with username and password> option for anonymous login because it's not needed and doesn't work
[18:07] <Riddell> smarter: so without the grep and sed bits does it still give usable output?
[18:08] <Riddell> neversfelde: were you going to test qt 4 and xinerama?
[18:08] <smarter> Riddell: yes because I check with "if (words[1] != "<00>" || words[3] == "<GROUP>")"
[18:09] <neversfelde> Riddell: sorry, for not testing xinerama and qt 4. My isp has some problems and I have no internet connection at home
[18:09] <neversfelde> ;)
[18:09] <neversfelde> problems should be solved tomorrow morning and I can test then, if it is still needed?
[18:09] <Riddell> neversfelde: actually I just found someone else to do it
[18:09] <Riddell> neversfelde: although a second opinion is always useful
[18:09] <neversfelde> Riddell: ok, i will try it
[18:10] <Riddell> smarter: seems all pretty sane, I don't have any way of testing it but I suppose I can just apply and ask for testers on that bug report
[18:10] <smarter> Riddell: thanks ;)
[18:11] <smarter> Riddell: I've also made another simple patch to fix bug #102753
[18:11] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 102753 in adept "adept does not display utf-8 text correctly" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/102753
[18:12] <smarter> Which was too late for gutsy
[18:15] <Riddell> smarter: kdelibs patch uploaded, many thanks
[18:15] <Serega> smarter: pretty nice!
[18:17] <smarter> Serega: thank you ;)
[18:18] <smarter> This bug was really annoying me :P
[18:23] <Riddell> smarter: adept patch looks good too
[18:27] <Riddell> smarter: uploaded
[18:27] <smarter> Riddell: can it make it into gutsy-update or gutsy-backports?
[18:27] <Riddell> smarter: which?
[18:27] <Riddell> neither is serious enough for -updates
[18:27] <Riddell> -backports sure, just go through the normal channels
[18:27] <smarter> Riddell: okay, thanks
[18:28] <Riddell> stdin: rc 2 packages are starting to appear, do you fancy being the gutsy PPA dude again?
[18:29] <stdin> sure, nothing like a night of backporting kde4 to make the long winter hours fly by :p
[18:29] <Riddell> stdin: I'm thinking we should start a new team since I get complains if we do it in kubuntu-members
[18:30] <Riddell> complaints about gettings lots of error messages from ubuntu council and other people
[18:30] <stdin> may be a good idea, something like kde4-packages
[18:30] <Tm_T> :)
[18:30] <Riddell> stdin: exactly
[18:32] <Riddell> jpatrick: qgis needs merged if you're looking for things needing done
[18:33] <ScottK> Riddell: Yes.  Please.  I get enough mail without those.
[18:34] <Riddell> it's a mis-feature in launchpad I'd say
[18:35] <Riddell> stdin: well go ahead, kde4libs, kdepimlibs, kdebase-runtime, kdebase-kde4 and kdebase-workspace seem to be ready to go
[18:35] <stdin> downloading already :)
[18:36] <ScottK> Riddell: There are lots of those.
[18:37] <Riddell> ScottK: heretic :)
[18:37] <ScottK> Yeah.  That'd be me.
[18:50] <X2B> Hey guys, I would like to create a patch for some kde files. Trouble is that I already compiled it, so there seem to be some rather useless files that I don't want to include in the patch. Is there anything like "make clean" for dpkg-buildpackage generated content??
[18:52] <Riddell> X2B: debuild -S
[18:52] <Riddell> debuild is dpkg-buildpackage but a bit better
[18:52] <Riddell> -S is make a source package (which involves cleaning the sources)
[18:54] <Riddell> oh, jjesse, I've to reply to your e-mail
[18:54] <jjesse> Riddell: cool i'll read it and write back
[18:54] <X2B> Which package do I have to install with apt-get to get debuild??
[18:55] <jjesse> hanging out in logan airport waiting for my flight
[18:55] <stdin> Riddell: looks like hobbsee already made a team: kubuntu-members-kde4
[18:55] <Riddell> X2B: devscripts
[18:56] <stdin> shame she's not about to add us to it :p
[18:56] <Riddell> stdin: hrm
[18:56] <Riddell> stdin: let me ask a launchpad admin
[18:56] <Riddell> jjesse: going somewhere nice?
[18:57] <jjesse> Riddell: on my way back home from boston
[18:57] <jjesse> so logan airport -> chicago airport -> home
[18:58]  * jjesse finally qualifies for free upgrades
[18:59] <Riddell> jjesse: you havn't been in boston since UDS!
[19:00] <jjesse> Riddell: i know that.... but i've been here all week and heading home
[19:00] <Riddell> ok, phew
[19:00] <jjesse> caught an earlier flight as well so its all good
[19:01] <jjesse> or will be catching an earlier flight
[19:02] <jpatrick_> Riddell: please upload: http://people.ubuntuwire.com/~jpatrick/kmplayer/ when you can
[19:08] <Tonio_> jpatrick_, Riddell: I'm uploading kmplayer
[19:09] <Tonio_> jpatrick_: uploaded
[19:10] <Riddell> thanks Tonio_, jpatrick_
[19:11] <Tonio_> Riddell: you're welcome
[19:11] <Tonio_> Riddell: fyi, kdesudo shold be done and finished now, 100% kdesu cmdline compatible
[19:11] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll wait for fdoving for feedback and tests
[19:12] <jjesse> Riddell: when did you reply?  can't  find it in my mailbox
[19:16] <Riddell> jjesse: I havn't yet
[19:17] <Riddell> jjesse: I was saying your arrival reminded me I need to
[19:17] <jjesse> oh i thought you said you did
[19:18] <jjesse> bought a b luetooth keyboard for my nonki n800 and using it in the airport, its pretty cool and easy to use
[19:18] <jjesse> sure beets taking out my laptop
[19:18] <Riddell> stdin: ok, we're in
[19:18] <Riddell> jjesse: works with Kubuntu?
[19:18] <Riddell> oh, n800
[19:19] <jjesse> yeah n800, i've seen people install kde on it
[19:23] <stdin> I just thought, I need to upload strigi, libzip, gpsd, etc again
[19:23] <Riddell> stdin: libvncserver and it'll need the new soprano
[19:24] <stdin> yeah, just got a list of what I need with some fancy grep/sed :)
[19:25] <stdin> Riddell: I can just grab it and reupload to the new ppa right, or do I need to change the release number?
[19:27] <stdin> for the non-kde4 packages that is...
[19:30] <Riddell> stdin: no need to change the version number
[19:30] <stdin> good, should be nice and simple then
[19:30] <Riddell> help needed folks "What are two solid reasons to choose Kubuntu over other distros?"
[19:31] <_buz> The only reasonably up to date KDE distro that does not use RPM
[19:31] <jpatrick> powerful base of Debian and Ubuntu + powerful desktop environment
[19:31] <jpatrick> + we're community developed
[19:32] <Riddell> it depends if he means compared to other ubuntu distros or compared to all other distros
[19:35] <Riddell> proofreaders needed http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/m7baaeaa8
[19:36] <jpatrick> Riddell: you left out Edubuntu?
[19:36] <yuriy> Why does Kubuntu exist as opposed to other distros? wow who thought up that question
[19:37] <yuriy> other distros don't exist?
[19:38]  * DaSkreech answers question 2
[19:38] <jpatrick> line 13: worlds -> world's
[19:38] <hdevalence> yuriy: I think the idea was "why does kubuntu exist as opposed to just using another disto"
[19:43] <DaSkreech> hdevalence: That's still a revealing question
[19:46] <yevgen> Question.. I've installed Ubuntu.. Than I've installed kubuntu-desktop and removed ubuntu-desktop.. So, what I have now? Kubuntu? :-)
[19:47] <jpatrick> !purekde | yevgen
[19:47] <ubotu> yevgen: purekde is If you want to remove all !Gnome packages and have a default !Kubuntu system follow the instructions here « https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PureKDE »
[19:55] <DaSkreech> jpatrick: nice knee jerk
[19:55] <DaSkreech> yevgen: You have both
[19:55] <DaSkreech> yevgen: Or if you like you can rename it your own distro and anger people who like simplicity :)
[19:55] <jpatrick> DaSkreech: I thought he/she only wanted kde
[19:56] <jpatrick> "removed ubuntu-desktop"
[19:56] <DaSkreech> jpatrick: he/she just asked what they have :)
[19:57] <jpatrick> ah
[19:57] <jpatrick> ;)
[19:58] <mhb> good evening
[20:35] <buz> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeVault anyone tried this? sounds basically like a gui to rsync?
[20:38] <jpatrick> Riddell: I think we can sync qgis
[20:42] <jpatrick> (or maybe I just don't understand what this thing does...)
[20:42] <fdoving> buz: you can probably compare it to rsync, with the --suffix or --backup-dir options. with one dir per date, for example. and then hardlink the not-modified files.
[20:42] <buz> yeah
[20:43] <fdoving> or rdiff-backup.
[20:43] <buz> that's basically what i do to backup my home dir
[20:43] <fdoving> which i use alot.
[20:43] <buz> actually its based upon rsync :)
[20:43] <buz> i dont trust rdiff-backup
[20:43] <buz> i've seen it fail in weird ways in the past
[20:43] <buz> rsync may be less efficient, but its dumb simple at least
[20:45] <fdoving> do you keep incremental backups, or just one mirror?
[20:46] <buz> nine generations
[20:46] <buz> but my home minus multimedia stuff is only 9G
[20:47] <fdoving> so 9 complete mirrors ?
[20:47] <buz> na hardlinking
[20:47] <fdoving> k.
[20:47] <fdoving> not much difference then.
[20:47] <buz> rdiff is more efficient in general
[20:47] <buz> but also a lot more complicated
[20:50] <buz> oh and i use duplicity for offsite storage
[20:50] <buz> i can very much recommend it
[20:51] <buz> albeit it only the one from the site, the one in the repository is way too old
[21:04] <DaSkreech> Riddell: daily KDE4 CDs?
[21:07]  * Serega waves
[21:07] <jpatrick> hi Serega
[21:07] <hdevalence> what's the difference between rdiff and rsync?
[21:12] <buz> rsync stores files
[21:12] <buz> rdiff takes binary deltas
[21:28] <hdevalence> what's a binary delta?
[21:29] <hdevalence> a binary representation of the difference?
[21:29] <buz> yes
[21:29] <buz> think of diff for binary files
[21:29] <buz> hence the name
[21:30] <nixternal_> who tripped over the network cable?
[21:30] <tmske> is someone running eclipse3.3 on hardy? I get an error Java VM: Java HotSpot.... Problematic frame: C [libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0+0x11f11b]  gtk_icon_set_render_icon+0x5bb
[21:31] <nixternal_> tmske: I ended up grabbing eclipse from the website and installing it...Ubuntu has had the worst eclipse support I have ever seen
[21:31] <buz> nixternal_: given the time of the day i would expect it to be beer in the server
[21:31] <ScottK> nixternal_: Some MOTU ought to work on that.
[21:32] <tmske> nixternal_" wel it is the one from the eclipse website...
[21:32] <nixternal> ScottK: someone works full time on it I thought
[21:32] <ScottK> nixternal: No.
[21:32] <nixternal> tmske: let me see if mine starts...are you using the java view I take it?
[21:32] <tmske> yes
[21:32] <ScottK> nixternal: man-di from Debian is often around to help, but no one really seems to look after it.
[21:33] <nixternal> tmske: should I try to create a new java file, debug one of my files? I am in Java view w/o any problems
[21:33] <nixternal> I am also using Sun Java and not Icedtea or gcj (which should get thrown out since it is useless)
[21:34] <tmske> nixternal: well it just doesn't start... and I'm using java-sun6
[21:34] <nixternal> ScottK: sounds like a new project for me then :)
[21:34] <nixternal> it is working for me
[21:34] <ScottK> nixternal: Perfect.
[21:34] <nixternal> going to start it up in java view
[21:34] <ScottK> nixternal: Get it fixed up in Hardy and then we'll do a backport.
[21:34] <nixternal> works fine here
[21:34] <nixternal> ScottK: ya, cuz it sucks in every release thus far
[21:35] <nixternal> couple of weeks ago I reverted to using Eclipse on Fedora, who I must say has the most beautiful representation for it, because it was broke for me
[21:35] <ScottK> nixternal: For Gutsy I got it from FTBFS to at least builds.
[21:36] <ScottK> Maybe jdong could be convinced to do for Ecplise what he did for Azureus.
[21:36] <buz> the one time i had to use eclipse i took it from vanilla binaries and it worked just fine
[21:36] <buz> except for the fact that it is bloody gtk of course
[21:36] <tmske> nixternal: this is the log of eclipse, maybe you see something http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/47284/
[21:43] <Scorcerer> hello
[21:43] <mhb> hi
[21:48] <nixternal> tmske: you know what....there is a sigsev with netbeans right now, and I am wondering if this is related?
[21:48]  * nixternal looks really quick
[21:51] <nixternal> nope, they don't look the same
[21:52] <tmske> nixternal: is the netbeans thing a bug, or would it work for me, I could install netbeans for now to do some java stuff...
[21:53] <nixternal> try to install netbeans and see if it works for you, it definitely doesn't work for me right now
[21:53] <nixternal> it is a locking issue with the jvm
[21:53] <nixternal> java: xcb_xlib.c:82: xcb_xlib_unlock: Assertion `c->xlib.lock' failed
[21:53] <tmske> nixternal: netbeans from website or from apt?
[21:54] <nixternal> I have it installed from the repos
[21:54] <nixternal> everytime we had a sun-java update around here, it would constantly break netbeans from the website
[21:54] <tmske> ok, ill try it
[21:57] <mhb> Riddell: have you tried to get the Drupal finally up?
[21:58] <tmske> should I report my eclipse problem as a bug, or do you think it's a fault of mine?
[21:58] <mhb> the admin behaviour really demotivates me, to be honest.
[21:58] <nixternal> report it as a bug...maybe someone has experienced the same and if it isn't a bug you can at least get it fixed..but right now, I would say it is a bug of some sort
[21:58] <tmske> nixternal: netbeans crashes here too, looks like this is a bug
[22:01] <nixternal> probably a java bug then
[22:04] <tmske> nixternal: should I report it too?
[22:06] <nixternal> I would
[22:11] <tmske> ok, i will, can somebody check if they have this problem with eclipse installed from apt, I have it too. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/eclipse/+bug/174628
[22:11] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 174628 in eclipse "eclipse not runnable after install" [Undecided,New]
[22:17] <tmske> nixternal: the netbeans bug is allready reported: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/netbeans5.5/+bug/159749
[22:17] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 159749 in netbeans5.5 "[hardy] netbeans doesn't run" [Undecided,Invalid]
[22:20] <nixternal> OK, I confirmed the bug and changed it to a sun-java6 bug
[22:21] <tmske> nixternal: ok, hope it gets fixed soon
[22:22] <ScottK> Can it run with a different Java?
[22:23] <nixternal> not really
[22:23] <nixternal> icedtea is close, but not quite there
[22:24] <nixternal> gcj should never be considered a "different java", it should be considered utter garbage :)
[22:25] <tmske> well, I would test it with icedtea, but it wants to remove libungif4g, and some packages need it (digikam, dolphin, mplayer...)
[22:26] <nixternal> that is because someone needs to fix the icedtea package
[22:26] <nixternal> it is all about the QA! or the lack of I guess :)
[22:26] <nixternal> maybe I should just started merging packages w/o testing them first
[22:27] <ScottK> Sounds like a MOTU that knows something about Java should jump in and fix 'em up.
[22:27] <stdin> hey, that's my job :p
[22:27] <nixternal> ScottK: notice that hint of sarcasm there :)  I definitely wouldn't say that with Hobbsee around though, she scares me :)
[22:27]  * ScottK was just saying.
[22:27] <ScottK> Oooh.  How about this:
[22:27] <nixternal> hehe
[22:28] <ScottK> Vista + Java = nixternal.
[22:28] <ScottK> She'd go for that one.
[22:28] <nixternal> I am using Fedora for my java work now
[22:28] <ScottK> So you say.
[22:28] <nixternal> java pays the bills man
[22:28] <ScottK> Understand.
[22:28] <nixternal> I don't have many bills, so that is bs actually :)
[22:28] <ScottK> It would be nice if someone who knew enough/cared fixed up our stuff.
[22:29] <nixternal> ScottK: now that I know there isn't a person dedicated to it, I will look at it
[22:29] <ScottK> nixternal: Great.
[22:29] <nixternal> I was told in the past to always talk to 1 person when it came to Java
[22:29] <nixternal> and another thing I found out too that I need to look at
[22:30] <nixternal> our unixODBC isn't up to part
[22:30] <nixternal> s/part/par
[22:30] <ScottK> nixternal: doko knows a lot about Java, but doesn't seem to have time to mind the Universe stuff much.
[22:30] <nixternal> that might be who I talked to in the past, but I don't remember
[22:30] <nixternal> now that this semester is coming to an end, I will definitely have more time
[22:31] <nixternal> now I am working with a doubly linked list c++ project that just flat out annoys me
[22:32] <jpatrick> Riddell: do we rm locale files from k3b-i18n?
[22:33] <Tonio_> Riddell: kdebase-workspace ftbfs
[22:33] <Tonio_> Riddell: testing locally, seems to work now, probably due to missing kdelibs5 when building yesterday
[22:33] <Tonio_> Riddell: should I reupload now ?
[22:33] <tmske> a completly different question, does command-not-found work for you? mine just crahed :)
[22:33] <stdin> tmske: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/command-not-found/+bug/174305
[22:33] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 174305 in command-not-found "command-not-found package need depends python-gdbm" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[22:33] <Tonio_> tmske: does not work with zsh, so I never used it :)
[22:34] <nixternal> speaking of doko, he just uploaded a new jython
[22:35] <Tonio_> anyone fancy testing newest kdesudo ?
[22:35] <Tonio_> I'd like to get a few people to test it before releasing package + tarball
[22:35] <tmske> stdin: indeed :-)
[22:36] <nixternal> Tonio_: link me to the deb...I removed kdesudo because it was messing stuff up a couple of weeks ago
[22:37] <Tonio_> nixternal: oki ;)
[22:37] <Tonio_> nixternal: http://tonio.homelinux.org/temp
[22:38] <Tonio_> nixternal: this upload should fix I think all opened bugs on launchpad
[22:38] <Tonio_> nixternal: fdoving validated the fixes for most of them
[22:40] <Tonio_> nixternal: -n, -t, -f and -s cmdline options of kdesu have been added
[22:40] <nixternal> hey, works with system settings again, that's a plus :)
[22:40] <Tonio_> nixternal: shoouldn't cause any problems with other kde apps this time, I hope
[22:40] <Tonio_> nixternal: just one question
[22:40] <Tonio_> nixternal: have you already seen the -t option of kdesu working ?
[22:41] <nixternal> never paid attention truthfully
[22:41] <Tonio_> nixternal: supposed to terminal output, but seems not to work on kubuntu due to sudo patches
[22:41] <Tonio_> nixternal: oki, I'll test on opensuse or another distro to confirm it's broken on kubuntu
[22:41] <nixternal> what does -t do?
[22:42] <nixternal> oh, never mind, you already said what it does
[22:42] <Tonio_> terminal output, but doesn't work with kde's kdesu  :)
[22:42] <Tonio_> nixternal: btw, works with kdesudo now
[22:43] <Riddell> mhb: I keep poking about drupal, no useful response yet
[22:43] <Riddell> jpatrick: we remove translations from all packages in main, and put them in language packs
[22:44] <Riddell> Tonio_: ask for a give back
[22:44] <jpatrick> Riddell: ok, I'll tell that to the guy at bug 161049
[22:44] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 161049 in k3b-i18n "k3b-i18n package in Gutsy does NOT contain any translations - only help files" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/161049
[22:45] <Tonio_> Riddell: what's a "give back" ?
[22:45] <Riddell> Tonio_: a retry of the compile
[22:45] <jpatrick> done
[22:45] <Tonio_> Riddell: how to ?
[22:45] <Riddell> Tonio_: you can ask hobbsee or pitti
[22:46] <Riddell> e-mail them probably best
[22:46] <Tonio_> Riddell: oki, no need to post a bug for this ?
[22:46] <Riddell> Tonio_: no
[22:46] <Tonio_> Riddell: will do
[22:47] <jpatrick> Riddell: could you possibly backport krita-plugins? bug 174755
[22:47] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 174755 in gutsy-backports "Please backport krita-plugins (1.6.2-0ubuntu1) from Hardy" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174755
[22:47] <mhb> Riddell: thanks for the info.
[22:47] <Riddell> mhb: I'll try poking management on monday, it's getting a bit rediculous
[22:48] <nixternal> Riddell: trying to poke sys admins about server stuff?
[22:49] <nixternal> I have to, for the past 2 months
[22:49] <Riddell> jpatrick: done
[22:49] <jpatrick> thanks
[22:49] <Riddell> nixternal: for what?
[22:50] <nixternal> loco website
[22:50] <Riddell> mm, right
[22:50] <nixternal> we still have a download 7.04 image and what not on our page
[23:35] <stdin> Riddell: in kdebase-workspace the build-dep " kdepimlibs5-dev (>= 3.97.0)" should probably be " kdepimlibs5-dev (>= 4:3.97.0)" (missing epoch)
[23:38] <Riddell> stdin: hrm, I made that change but I don't seem to have uploaded it
[23:48] <Riddell> stdin: uploaded
[23:49]  * stdin grabs it