| rick_h_ | statik: (or anyone bored right now) I have some LP questions on what I need to do to get my PPAs to have the changelog in update manager for users? | 00:08 |
|---|---|---|
| rick_h_ | I want to submit a bug, but not sure where it needs to go | 00:08 |
| * Fujitsu looks with interest at the new announcements feature. | 00:09 | |
| Nafallo | ehrm | 00:09 |
| Nafallo | https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~vcs-imports/gajim/main | 00:10 |
| Fujitsu | Nafallo: What about it? | 00:10 |
| Nafallo | I'm pretty sure that branch is stuck. | 00:10 |
| Nafallo | there where a new release just about 2h ago. | 00:11 |
| Fujitsu | Oh, I see, 'tis rather out of date. | 00:11 |
| Nafallo | not by the main-tree though. but still. looking at trac there are changes just hours ago :-) | 00:12 |
| * Nafallo looks for ddaa | 00:12 | |
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| mpt | rick_h_, if no-one can answer your question now, try asking it at https://answers.launchpad.net/soyuz | 00:19 |
| mpt | (for PPA questions) | 00:19 |
| rick_h_ | thanks mpt, I'll give it a shot | 00:21 |
| stdin | rick_h_: you can't display a changelog, it seems the url for them is hard-coded to changelogs.ubuntu.com | 00:41 |
| kiko-afk | hey poolie | 01:01 |
| * kiko-afk yawns | 01:01 | |
| poolie | kiko-afk, hi, on phone to steve atm | 01:02 |
| kiko-afk | okay, cool | 01:02 |
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| rick_h_ | stdin: so should I submit a bug/wishlist in the PPA area, another area? Or just not bother because it's not happened | 02:29 |
| Fujitsu | rick_h_: It would require significant changes to the way things work in Ubuntu, too. | 02:29 |
| rick_h_ | ok, well I just had a couple of users hit me up with this as a bug so I wanted to push it to someone else :) | 02:30 |
| rick_h_ | thanks for checking into it | 02:30 |
| * Fujitsu notes that an implausibly large number of people seem to have registered their accounts on 2005-06-15. | 02:49 | |
| * Fujitsu thinks it would be better to say `Unknown' or so, there. | 02:49 | |
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| ubotu | New bug: #174600 in launchpad "No obvious choice for "Programming language" for artwork projects" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174600 | 07:46 |
| ubotu | New bug: #174601 in launchpad ""Description of additional licenses" is editable when you're not using any" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174601 | 07:55 |
| ubotu | New bug: #174603 in launchpad "Clicking outside "Choose..." popup doesn't close it" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174603 | 07:55 |
| === \sh_away is now known as \sh | ||
| ubotu | New bug: #174606 in launchpad ""More than 50 projects were found" is needlessly alarming" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174606 | 08:35 |
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| mpt | Goooooooooooooooood morning Launchpadders! | 09:00 |
| === salgado_ is now known as salgado | ||
| === cprov-out is now known as cprov | ||
| === Hobbsee is now known as LongPointyStick | ||
| === kiko-afk is now known as kiko | ||
| ubotu | New bug: #174635 in launchpad "Hard to find what Launchpad is from pages other than the front page" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174635 | 11:46 |
| Nafallo | ddaa: hiya. around? | 12:44 |
| ddaa | doing food atm, back in ~30 mins | 12:46 |
| Nafallo | okidoki. | 12:46 |
| === kiko_ is now known as kiko-phone | ||
| ubotu | New bug: #174649 in soyuz "do not overwrite manually set build score" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174649 | 13:10 |
| ddaa | Nafallo: how can I help? | 13:19 |
| Nafallo | ddaa: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~vcs-imports/gajim/main < seems a bit stalled :-) | 13:19 |
| Nafallo | ddaa: care to look into that? | 13:19 |
| ddaa | I'll have a quick look | 13:20 |
| ddaa | https://edge.launchpad.net/gajim/main | 13:20 |
| Nafallo | ddaa: ehrm yea. doesn't tell me much though :-) | 13:21 |
| Nafallo | why failed? | 13:21 |
| ddaa | does not seem to be any reproducible error | 13:21 |
| ddaa | variants of "connection closed" | 13:22 |
| ddaa | on revision 8972 | 13:22 |
| ddaa | mh | 13:22 |
| ddaa | previous failures were timeouts | 13:22 |
| Nafallo | ugh | 13:23 |
| ddaa | it seems that some cat'ing some file changed in 8972 causes the server to crash | 13:23 |
| Nafallo | lovely | 13:23 |
| ddaa | *shrug* | 13:24 |
| ddaa | svn | 13:24 |
| Nafallo | hehe. that's why I want to use the bzr indeed ;-) | 13:24 |
| ddaa | Sorry, professional restraint prevents me from speaking my full mind here. So I'll leave it all to your imagination. | 13:24 |
| * Nafallo planned to start building ~ bzr`date` | 13:24 | |
| Nafallo | ddaa: feel free to air in PM ;-) | 13:25 |
| kiko-phone | Hobbsee, did you see salgado's comment on bug 174452? | 13:25 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 174452 in launchpad "Contact addresses impossible to remove from teams" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174452 | 13:25 |
| Hobbsee | kiko-phone: looking | 13:29 |
| Hobbsee | kiko-phone: ah, thanks. | 13:35 |
| kiko-phone | Hobbsee, so can I just kill that portlet and be done with the problem? | 13:37 |
| Hobbsee | kiko-phone: yes, it appears so | 13:37 |
| kiko-phone | thanks. | 13:38 |
| ddaa | Nafallo: this gajim thing is puzzling | 13:55 |
| Nafallo | ddaa: oh? | 13:55 |
| ddaa | ran three imports and saved the output tree each time | 13:55 |
| ddaa | and it looks like the error happened at different places each time | 13:56 |
| ddaa | I'm starting to suspect is not a problem with the svn data itself | 13:56 |
| ddaa | but more something like the quality of service on the server decreased at some point | 13:56 |
| Nafallo | ddaa: yea. I agree. what happened around the date the failures began? | 13:57 |
| ddaa | and became insufficient to support the (extremely inefficient) way we talk to the svn server | 13:57 |
| ddaa | I can't know. | 13:57 |
| ddaa | That would be something on the server side. | 13:57 |
| Nafallo | or network | 13:57 |
| Nafallo | if it still is timeouts that is... | 13:57 |
| ddaa | not in our network | 13:57 |
| ddaa | the "timeout" is something else than what you think | 13:57 |
| Nafallo | oki | 13:58 |
| ddaa | it's our import system that kills jobs when they show no progress for a long time | 13:58 |
| ddaa | (several hours) | 13:58 |
| Nafallo | aha | 13:58 |
| ddaa | the significant thing is that our connection gets closed on us at some seemingly random points | 13:58 |
| ddaa | do you know who's sysadmining the svn.gajim.org machine? | 13:59 |
| Nafallo | ddaa: yea. he doesn't look as to be online right now :-/ | 14:00 |
| ddaa | Maybe he added something like a "flood protection" firewall rule about three weeks ago | 14:00 |
| ddaa | our svn import code makes a stupidly large number of sequential svn connections | 14:01 |
| ddaa | (that's arguably a bug in our code, but it's a hard one to fix) | 14:01 |
| ddaa | or maybe the machine's base load has increased over time | 14:02 |
| Nafallo | I'll check with him when he gets online. | 14:02 |
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| ubotu | New bug: #174661 in launchpad "support creative commons licenses explicitly" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174661 | 14:25 |
| === \sh is now known as \sh_away | ||
| === kiko is now known as kiko-fud | ||
| ubotu | New bug: #174662 in malone "Trac 'closed' status gets mapped to Launchpad's 'Invalid' status" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174662 | 14:30 |
| ubotu | New bug: #174663 in launchpad "Form submit buttons are clickable when required fields are empty" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174663 | 14:40 |
| === cprov is now known as cprov-lunch | ||
| ubotu | New bug: #174667 in launchpad-bazaar ""Branch type" menu and caption are awkward" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174667 | 15:00 |
| === salgado is now known as salgado-lunch | ||
| ubotu | New bug: #174443 in malone "Project groups need option to offer bug/question suggestions across projects" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174443 | 15:30 |
| ubotu | New bug: #174677 in launchpad ""Latest memberships" is less interesting than "Most active teams"" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174677 | 15:36 |
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| === salgado-lunch is now known as salgado | ||
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| threethirty | hello all | 17:30 |
| threethirty | I am trying to import my pgp key into launchpad and frankly I'm confused | 17:32 |
| pochu | what's up? | 17:33 |
| threethirty | I dont kow what the "key id" is | 17:33 |
| threethirty | as in 2. Ensure the key has been uploaded to a keyserver. To do this:gpg --send-key key-id | 17:34 |
| Nafallo | gpg --list-secret-keys will show | 17:34 |
| threethirty | here is what I get but I can't make heads or tails of it (never used encryption or PGP before) | 17:35 |
| threethirty | three@Condor:~$ gpg --list-secret-keys | 17:35 |
| threethirty | /home/three/.gnupg/secring.gpg | 17:35 |
| threethirty | ------------------------------ | 17:35 |
| threethirty | sec 1024D/437AFC03 2007-12-07 | 17:35 |
| threethirty | uid threethirty (Free Your Software and the Rest Will Follow) <three@threethirty.us> | 17:35 |
| threethirty | ssb 4096g/65863FA7 2007-12-07 | 17:35 |
| stdin | threethirty: "437AFC03" is your key-id then | 17:36 |
| threethirty | oh ok, ty | 17:36 |
| lamont` | hrm... build-queue-depth on edge/+builds should really separate out ppa from non-ppa, since the dispatch is also separated... | 17:40 |
| lamont` | threethirty: although you want to upload your public key, not your secret key... | 17:40 |
| lamont` | :-) | 17:41 |
| threethirty | lamont': I know in theory what you are talking about, but i have no useful knowledge, what key have I been uploading and how would i find that out | 17:43 |
| lamont` | threethirty: if you just said --export and didn't pass any options that include the word 'secret', then you're fine | 17:43 |
| threethirty | lamont`: the only command i ran with "secret" in it was gpg --list-secret-keys, and i haven't run a command that had --export in it at all, is that what I am missing? | 17:46 |
| lamont` | where are the instructions you're following? | 17:47 |
| lamont` | AFAIK, you would say: 'gpg --export --armor 437afc03' and then cut/paste that into the page on launchpad to upload your key | 17:47 |
| threethirty | lamomnt': https://launchpad.net/~threethirty/+editpgpkeys | 17:48 |
| lamont` | but it has been a while since I did that. | 17:48 |
| threethirty | lamont': i hope i never do this again | 17:48 |
| lamont` | ah. | 17:48 |
| lamont` | ok. | 17:48 |
| lamont` | so, since you've generated the key. | 17:48 |
| lamont` | gpg --send-key 437AFC03 | 17:49 |
| lamont` | which should succeed | 17:49 |
| lamont` | then gpg --fingerprint 437AFC03 | 17:49 |
| lamont` | and paste that output (as shown) into the nice box | 17:49 |
| threethirty | just the fingerprint or all of the output? | 17:50 |
| lamont` | just the fingerprint | 17:50 |
| threethirty | SCORE! ty | 17:50 |
| lamont` | np. if you ever upload packages, you'll be using gpg. ditto for signing codes of conduct, etc. | 17:51 |
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| gspr | kiko-phone: In case you didn't notice, cprov fixed my problem. Thanks for the help yesterday! | 19:31 |
| kiko-phone | gspr, wow, thanks for saying that. groovy that he fixed it:) | 19:34 |
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| pablo | Hi, I want to upload a package for ubuntu to my ppa in Launchad. How may I generate the .changes file for dput? | 20:50 |
| stdin | pablo: the easiest way is with debuild | 20:52 |
| stdin | "debuild -S -sa" will make a .changes file for a source upload | 20:52 |
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| Nafallo | ddaa: still here? | 21:51 |
| ddaa | here | 21:52 |
| Nafallo | ddaa: re gajim: [21:51:52] Asterix: could it be this ip? 88.163.241.76 | 21:52 |
| ddaa | nope | 21:52 |
| ddaa | DC machines are in 91.189... | 21:53 |
| Nafallo | ddaa: there is an anti-flood rule that haven't changed for months :-P | 21:54 |
| Nafallo | ddaa: have the code become more aggressive? ;-) | 21:55 |
| ddaa | I guess we are not hitting this particular rule. | 21:55 |
| ddaa | Nope. No significant change there in the past months. | 21:55 |
| Nafallo | that rule was apparently for ssh :-P | 21:56 |
| Nafallo | and the errors are that it just stops to receive data? | 21:57 |
| Nafallo | ddaa: he checks if something needs upgrading. | 22:03 |
| ddaa | The error is that connection gets closed by the server | 22:03 |
| ddaa | unexpectedly | 22:03 |
| Nafallo | ddaa: he upgraded 'something' some weeks ago. | 22:03 |
| ddaa | and at almost, but not quite, random places | 22:03 |
| Nafallo | Asterix: indeed that souns an anti-flood thing ... but I don't have that | 22:06 |
| Nafallo | weirdness :-P | 22:07 |
| ddaa | another thing that might be relevant | 22:07 |
| ddaa | is that we make tons of very short lived sequential connections | 22:08 |
| Nafallo | last update of subversion was in June :-P | 22:09 |
| ddaa | that's not it then | 22:09 |
| ubotu | New bug: #174758 in soyuz "Build queue depth should separate PPA and non-PPA stats" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174758 | 22:10 |
| Nafallo | ddaa: he restarted his MSN Transport that took lots of CPU. care to try? :-) | 22:12 |
| ddaa | o.O | 22:13 |
| ddaa | kickstarted | 22:13 |
| Nafallo | ddaa: cheers :-) | 22:13 |
| ddaa | no improvement | 22:16 |
| ddaa | pysvn._pysvn.ClientError: Connection closed unexpectedly | 22:16 |
| ddaa | in some propget command | 22:16 |
| ddaa | for some file changed in revision 8972 | 22:16 |
| ddaa | which is the next revision to import | 22:16 |
| ddaa | next = first | 22:17 |
| Nafallo | 22:07 < ddaa> another thing that might be relevant | 22:17 |
| Nafallo | https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~vcs-imports/gajim/main | 22:18 |
| Nafallo | I guess 7652? | 22:18 |
| ddaa | different metrics | 22:18 |
| Nafallo | oh. | 22:18 |
| ddaa | 7652 would be sequence number of the trunk change | 22:18 |
| ddaa | but svn revno are repository-wide | 22:19 |
| ddaa | the corresponding svn revno of a bzr revision is recorded in some custom revision property | 22:19 |
| wiggy | can someone tell me how to create a release in a series? | 22:20 |
| wiggy | I can't seem to find an option to do that | 22:20 |
| Nafallo | hmm. oki... | 22:20 |
| wiggy | ah, found it by manually tweaking a URL | 22:21 |
| Nafallo | ddaa: 8971 is 7651 in bazaar :-) | 22:25 |
| ddaa | see :) | 22:25 |
| Nafallo | ddaa: so it fails on 8972 :-P | 22:25 |
| ddaa | indeed | 22:25 |
| Nafallo | ddaa: http://trac.gajim.org/changeset/8972 | 22:26 |
| ddaa | I looked at it already. | 22:26 |
| ddaa | It has nothing special. | 22:26 |
| ddaa | And it does not always fail at the same place. | 22:26 |
| ddaa | That's why I think it's a sysadmin kind of problem. | 22:26 |
| Nafallo | but always in that revision? | 22:26 |
| ddaa | yes, but I guess it's only because it's the first one... | 22:27 |
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| Nafallo | [22:28:44] Asterix: I don't know what do tell you ... I can svn co from every where, even the whole repos with all branches without any problem | 22:28 |
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| ddaa | Well | 22:57 |
| ddaa | I can't really help either from this side... | 22:57 |
| ddaa | I know our import tool is not making good use of the svn protocol | 22:57 |
| ddaa | but it's not quite enough of a nuisance for it to be worth the substantial effort involved in fixing that | 22:58 |
| ddaa | I really hope we'll fix it eventually | 22:59 |
| ddaa | but at the moment all our effort is spent on rewriting the code import infrastracture | 22:59 |
| ddaa | so, for example, users can see the log of failed jobs | 22:59 |
| ddaa | Nafallo: if you are trying to get your team to move to bzr | 23:00 |
| ddaa | maybe you should try bzr-svn | 23:00 |
| ddaa | it's a great tool for transitions | 23:00 |
| ddaa | especially if you have a team you need to convince | 23:00 |
| ddaa | FWIW, I did succeed in checking out the offending revision here. | 23:01 |
| Nafallo | ddaa: I'm the maintainer in Ubuntu. not involved with upstream :-) | 23:01 |
| Nafallo | ddaa: but thanks anyway :-) | 23:01 |
| ddaa | sorry we could not make this work :( | 23:02 |
| Nafallo | ddaa: ..and yes, I can see what you mean :-). would I be better of svn co locally and bzr-svn it? :-) | 23:02 |
| ddaa | no need to svn co | 23:03 |
| ddaa | just: bzr branch svn://svn.gajim.org/gajim/trunk gajim | 23:03 |
| ddaa | bzr-svn is magic | 23:03 |
| ddaa | then you'll bzr pull, or bzr merge | 23:03 |
| Nafallo | :-D | 23:04 |
| ddaa | the svn co is only needed if you want to commit back to svn using bzr | 23:04 |
| Nafallo | :-O even | 23:04 |
| jelmer | ddaa: That's no longer the case actually | 23:04 |
| Nafallo | I don't, no :-) | 23:04 |
| ddaa | (which keeps track of merges, and file ids, etc.) | 23:04 |
| ddaa | jelmer: how's that? | 23:04 |
| jelmer | ddaa: you can "bzr co" a subversion repository | 23:04 |
| ddaa | Did I say you could not? :) | 23:05 |
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| jelmer | ddaa: you can commit back to svn using bzr without using "svn co" | 23:05 |
| ddaa | wow | 23:05 |
| ddaa | shiny | 23:05 |
| Nafallo | :-O | 23:05 |
| jelmer | "alias svn=bzr" works for most workflows | 23:06 |
| jelmer | though there are obviously some differences in output and supported options | 23:06 |
| * ddaa hugs jelmer | 23:06 | |
| jelmer | and bzr can't set file properties yet | 23:06 |
| Nafallo | ddaa: why aren't launchpad using this? :-) | 23:06 |
| ddaa | As lifeless summed it up for me: because bzr-svn "is not 1.0 yet" | 23:07 |
| Nafallo | lol | 23:07 |
| ddaa | there are some tricky issues involved with revision ids. | 23:07 |
| ddaa | That makes bzr-svn suited for individual use, but problematic for a large scale hosted service such as Launchpad imports. | 23:08 |
| Nafallo | yea. | 23:08 |
| Nafallo | well. I hope it gets there anyway :-) | 23:09 |
| ddaa | Early this year, I made a very thorough analysis of what would be needed. I think it can get there eventually, But there's a lot that needs to be done. | 23:09 |
| Nafallo | I got an error though. | 23:10 |
| ddaa | I'm happy enough with users running it themselves and uploading their converted branches to Launchpad. | 23:10 |
| Nafallo | bzr: ERROR: Repository KnitRepository('file:///home/nafallo/devel/gajim/.bzr/') is not compatible with repository SvnRepository('svn://svn.gajim.org/gajim') | 23:11 |
| ddaa | Nafallo: jelmer is your man. | 23:11 |
| ddaa | Nafallo: trying branching outside of your repo | 23:11 |
| ddaa | it needs to use some experimental format | 23:11 |
| Nafallo | ah. no support for shared-repos :-P | 23:11 |
| ddaa | it does support shared repos | 23:11 |
| ddaa | but that repo needs to be in that experimental format | 23:12 |
| Nafallo | kinky :-) | 23:12 |
| jelmer | bzr init-repo --rich-root if you have 1.0rcXX or otherwise --dirstate-with-subtree | 23:12 |
| Nafallo | gutsy :-) | 23:12 |
| Nafallo | 0.90.0 :-P | 23:12 |
| jelmer | then --dirstate-with-subtree should do it | 23:13 |
| jelmer | --rich-root (which is in 1.0) is not experimental anymore | 23:14 |
| * Nafallo tries | 23:14 | |
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