[00:01] <rick_h_> Kmos: do you know how that's pulled from then in general packages?
[00:02] <RAOF> rick_h_: They're pulled from changelogs.ubuntu.com
[00:02] <rick_h_> so if I were to submit a LP bug for the PPAs what would I be saying it should be reading/doing that is getting done with main packages?
[00:02] <rick_h_> RAOF: ok, and hten changelogs.ub... is pulling the changelogs from the package?
[00:03] <RAOF> I'm not sure; that'd be internal launchpad/soyuz craziness, probably.
[00:03] <RAOF> I would imagine that the buildprocess pushes changelogs to c.u.c, rather than c.u.c trying to pull new changelogs periodically.
[00:04] <rick_h_> ic
[00:04] <Ubulette_> c.u.c is only updated twice a day
[00:04] <RAOF> However, that is uninformed speculation.  that's just how I'd (naievely) do it.
[00:04] <rick_h_> yea, just seems strange that it doesn't just use the packages changelog
[00:29] <LordKow> how does the ubuntu livecd package the filesystem (such as /etc /usr, etc)?
[00:29] <LordKow> for instance is it put into an archive or is it directly copied to the cd?
[00:29] <LordKow> cd/iso
[00:32] <Ubulette> LordKow, why don't just grab and extract the deb ?
[00:32] <LordKow> good idea :p
[00:34] <LordKow> the fonts in qt apps right now are almost unreadable as of the latest fontconfig update (which i am trying to confirm as the cause of the font probs)
[00:34] <crimsun> LordKow: see casper.
[00:35] <LordKow> im guessing the specific package will be fontconfig-config
[00:35] <tonyyarusso> LordKow: It's called squashfs I think.
[00:36] <Ubulette> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/i386/fontconfig-config/2.4.2-1.2ubuntu4
[00:36] <Ubulette> grab the deb and extract it (ar x foo.deb)
[00:40] <LordKow> hey look i think i found the reason the new fontconfig-config package screwed up font rendering. bbiab
[00:58] <pochu> Good night folks!
[01:54] <bddebian> Heya gang
[01:59] <LaserJock> hmm, packaging jams
[02:00] <LaserJock> or is that packages of jam
[02:01] <ajmitch> raspberry
[02:01] <TheMuso> ...or jamming packages... down our throats.
[02:02] <LaserJock> TheMuso: lol
[02:04] <LaserJock> I wonder where these experienced discussion leaders are gonna come from
[02:04]  * LaserJock votes to have ajmitch teach them all
[02:06]  * bddebian seconds that Mr. Chairman
[02:07] <ajmitch> LaserJock: please note that these are to be done in person
[02:07] <ajmitch> therefore you're by far the best candidate
[02:11] <LaserJock> ajmitch: I know they are in person
[02:11] <LaserJock> you need to see the world some more ;-)
[02:11]  * Hobbsee waves
[02:11] <LaserJock> hi Hobbsee
[02:11]  * DarkMageZ votes to send Hobbsee to teach.
[02:12] <Hobbsee> ?
[02:12] <LaserJock> DarkMageZ: I don't know, we don't want to see the DOOM Stick in person ;-)
[02:12] <Hobbsee> hah
[02:13] <LaserJock> Hobbsee: I nominated ajmitch to teach all the Packaging Jams
[02:13] <Hobbsee> ahhhh
[02:13] <Hobbsee> sounds good.
[02:15] <LaserJock> so
[02:16] <LaserJock> today I was helping a labmate move his desk
[02:16] <LaserJock> and since I'm responsible for all the computers I was making sure everything got moved over alright
[02:17] <ajmitch> hello Hobbsee
[02:17] <LaserJock> so after navigating the cable jungle I got his computer moved over
[02:17] <Hobbsee> hi ajmitch
[02:17] <LaserJock> and so he got it running
[02:17] <LaserJock> and then I gave him a power strip/surge protector
[02:17] <LaserJock> he looked at it like he had no idea what it was for
[02:18] <LaserJock> so I told him to plug his computer into it to keep from getting fried during one of our power outages
[02:18] <LaserJock> and so before I could say anything he just rips the power cord out of the wall (his computer was running) and plugged it into the power strip
[02:18] <ajmitch> heh
[02:18] <LaserJock> luckily it's a Windows computer or I would have been more upset
[02:18] <TheMuso> haha
[02:19]  * ajmitch wonders if LadiesMan217 has been watching transformers lately...
[02:19] <LadiesMan217> lol
[02:19] <LaserJock> but he just said "that was easy"
[02:20] <ajmitch> some people...
[02:21] <bddebian> LaserJock: Since it was Windows you weren't worried because you knew it would come right back up?
[02:21]  * bddebian hides
[02:22] <LaserJock> bddebian: I wasn't worried because for Windows "it's not my problem"
[02:22] <bddebian> hehe
[02:22] <LaserJock> I just have them call the help desk
[02:27] <bddebian> Hobbsee: Is the debian-games channel a black hole or what? :)
[02:27] <Hobbsee> unsure
[02:28] <Hobbsee> it's quiet today
[02:28] <ajmitch> bddebian: are they ignoring you?
[02:33] <bddebian> Hobbsee: It's always quiet :)
[02:34] <bddebian> ajmitch: Everyone ignores me :)
[02:38]  * LaserJock wonders how long we can go ignoring bddebian 
[02:39] <LaserJock> bddebian: it's been what .. almost 3 years now? ;-)
[02:41] <ajmitch> longer for some
[02:42]  * bddebian runs to the corner and cries :'-(
[02:55] <Hobbsee> bug #174239
[02:55] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 174239 in dhelp "Please merge dhelp 0.6.0 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174239
[02:59]  * Hobbsee sighs
[02:59]  * Hobbsee hits kmos with the cluebat.
[03:02] <slangasek> 82% probability of crack
[03:03] <imbrandon> can we just make a LP bot to follow kmos and close bugs
[03:04] <imbrandon> would that be evil
[03:04] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: i wish.
[03:04] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: fortunately, it's not hard to find his bugs.  it would be possible with debhelper
[03:04]  * Hobbsee rather likes the absolute idiocy in the bug.
[03:04] <imbrandon> new net connection installed today, no more comcast, yay \0/
[03:05] <Hobbsee>  you're not supposed ot add random recommends, with no indication as to why this might be a good idea
[03:05] <Hobbsee> if the random recommends change has a bug listed next to it, the bug should say at least *something* about why the random recommends change should be done!
[03:09] <imbrandon> :)
[03:09] <imbrandon> seems i get a flickr *pro* account with my isp account too
[03:09] <imbrandon> hehe
[03:09]  * imbrandon goes to try flickrfs
[03:11] <Hobbsee> nixternal: you have a kdiff3 merge outstanding, which has been kmos'd.
[03:11] <imbrandon> nixternal: that will teach you to leave merges laying arround :)
[03:12] <Hobbsee> nixternal: you may want to upload, before someone uploads his changes
[03:12] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: it wouldn't matter - he still has no respect for stuff belonging to other people - even if it's a lp bug assigned to them.  *shrug*
[03:13] <Hobbsee> actually, this is already uplaoded, he just hasn't closed the bug.
[03:14]  * Hobbsee throws out a kmos'd bug.
[03:15]  * Hobbsee throws out another one
[03:16]  * Fujitsu looks at the lonely Kmos email on the MC ML.
[03:16] <Hobbsee> id' reply, but a lot of what i think is already on there :)
[03:18]  * Nafallo mumbles about gajim having 2500 packages to be built before it's built.
[03:19] <LaserJock> Fujitsu: are people supposed to respond?
[03:20] <TheMuso> A response from the MC would b enice.
[03:20] <TheMuso> a
[03:20] <Fujitsu> LaserJock: I would presume the email was sent for reasons other than to sit around.
[03:20] <ajmitch> LaserJock: yes, Kmos is meant to
[03:21]  * StevenK waits for him to reply "I don't get it"
[03:21] <Fujitsu> Haha.
[03:21] <Hobbsee> bloody kmos.
[03:22] <Hobbsee> now, who synced this without seeing the request was WRONG?
[03:22] <StevenK> Worse, who ACKed it?
[03:22] <Fujitsu> Kmos!
[03:22] <Hobbsee> no one ack'd it.
[03:23] <StevenK> If no one ACK'd it, they shouldn't have sync'd it.
[03:23] <Hobbsee> well, exactly
[03:23] <Hobbsee> does anyone actually keep their hardy-changes mail?
[03:23] <ajmitch> yes
[03:23] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee: I do.
[03:24]  * Fujitsu doesn't delete mail.
[03:24] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: can you find otu when it was synced, and who synced it please?
[03:24] <Fujitsu> `it'
[03:24] <Fujitsu> What's `it'?
[03:24] <Hobbsee> stunnel4, sorry
[03:24]  * ajmitch doesn't know what package Hobbsee is talking about
[03:24]  * Fujitsu can't see anything.
[03:24]  * ajmitch has no stunnel4 mail
[03:24] <Fujitsu> Must have been an autosync.
[03:24] <Hobbsee> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/stunnel4/+bug/157095
[03:24] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 157095 in stunnel4 "Please sync stunnel4 3:4.20-5 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,Incomplete]
[03:25] <Fujitsu> Kms uploaded it in Gutsy.
[03:25] <Hobbsee> but it had ubuntu changes....
[03:25] <Hobbsee> yeah, after i explained it to him a few times
[03:26] <Hobbsee> OTOH, by the time the package has been kmos'd, do we actually care?
[03:26] <Fujitsu> The archive admin must have had the mail turned off when they synced it... Damn.
[03:26] <imbrandon> slangasek: wow, i thought you were core already heh
[03:27] <imbrandon> kmos'd, a new action
[03:27] <imbrandon> lol
[03:27]  * Fujitsu registers violent objections to slangasek's core-dev application, just to be different.
[03:27] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee: The autosync somehow caught it... please talk to an archive admin: something is broken.
[03:27]  * Hobbsee sets another one to invalid
[03:27] <Hobbsee> slangasek: FIX IT, kthxbye.
[03:27] <Hobbsee> :)
[03:27] <Hobbsee> er, incomplete
[03:28]  * Hobbsee sees another crack-filled bug, which dholbach has already dealt with
[03:28]  * Fujitsu smokes said bug.
[03:29] <Hobbsee> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python-coverage/+bug/173529
[03:29] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 173529 in python-coverage "Please sync python-coverage 2.6-1 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,Incomplete]
[03:29] <Hobbsee> ...yay.
[03:29] <Fujitsu> Hahaha.
[03:29] <TheMuso> Ok. With the exception of 4 packages that FTBFS, the libglib1.2ldbl transition is complete.
[03:29] <Fujitsu> All Ubuntu changes merged... into the null?
[03:29] <Fujitsu> TheMuso: Nice.
[03:29] <TheMuso> And FTBFS as in don't build for me.
[03:29] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: i think so, yeah.
[03:29] <StevenK> "The Ubuntu changes can be dropped because the package is now at Debian"
[03:30] <Hobbsee> StevenK: i prefer "the ubuntu changes can be dropped, because debian has a new maintainer"
[03:30] <imbrandon> lol
[03:30]  * StevenK sharpens his ICBM.
[03:30] <imbrandon> hhahaha
[03:30] <Fujitsu> Haha.
[03:30] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee: Where have you seen that?
[03:30] <Hobbsee> took him a long while to get the explanation thru his thick skull as to why that wasn't correct.
[03:31] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: i don't remember what the package was now.  it went from debian QA group to a maintainer
[03:31]  * Fujitsu invokes the CoC.
[03:31] <StevenK> It can't be against the CoC if it's truthful.
[03:31] <Fujitsu> StevenK: Can't it?
[03:31] <StevenK> Wait, did I say that out loud?
[03:32] <StevenK> Fujitsu: It can, I was poking fun.
[03:33] <pwnguin> perhaps one could invoke the "resign appropriately" clause on this fellow
[03:34] <Hobbsee> pwnguin: until they nuke the ubuntu section of his LP account, that's impossible.
[03:34]  * pwnguin is still unsure how someone without write access to ubuntu causes so much trouble
[03:35] <imbrandon> pwnguin: untill now none of us was sure
[03:35] <imbrandon> lol
[03:35] <Hobbsee> filing masses of crap bug requests.
[03:35] <Hobbsee> flooding the queues.
[03:35] <Hobbsee> bonus points for closing bugs at random
[03:36] <Hobbsee> i can't find it
[03:36] <Hobbsee> my lp-searching-foo isn't good neough
[03:36] <Hobbsee> could probably grep the logs if i wished
[03:36] <imbrandon> pwnguin: whens the next time you will likely be in KC, I thought about org one of those pacakge jams here ( seperate from the LUG meetings ) and it would be cool if you were in town too
[03:36] <imbrandon> january-ish
[03:36] <pwnguin> well, i dont really make plans to come into town
[03:37] <pwnguin> im not sure if i'll be in for christmas
[03:37]  * Fujitsu has 1000 bug mails from Kmos at the moment..
[03:37] <imbrandon> pwnguin: yea i dont think there would be good attendance arround xmas
[03:37] <imbrandon> thus thinking jan-ish
[03:37] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: poor bastard.  just delete tehm.
[03:38] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee: They now get their own special folder.
[03:38] <Hobbsee> hah!
[03:38] <pwnguin> if you make an announcement, i might be able to show. but I hope you don't expect me to colead such an endevor
[03:38] <Fujitsu> (no, not /dev/null)
[03:38] <imbrandon> "Junk" ?
[03:38] <imbrandon> pwnguin: no not at all, just thought you might like to attend too
[03:39] <imbrandon> maybe field a question or two, but nothing along the lines of co-*
[03:39] <StevenK> Searching Launchpad for all bugs related to Kmos returns 1,152.
[03:39] <imbrandon> holy jebus StevenK
[03:39] <RAOF> That's impressive
[03:40]  * Fujitsu wonders how many the average MOTU has.
[03:40] <Hobbsee> yes, but how many of them were marked "invalid" or "won't fix"?
[03:40] <Fujitsu> Heh.
[03:40] <Fujitsu> O_o
[03:40] <Fujitsu> I have 2450 to my name.
[03:40] <pwnguin> well, if we're going to legislate good QA behavior, can we also institute a "don't triage driver bugs if you dont have the hardware" policy?
[03:41] <StevenK> Hobbsee: 336
[03:41] <Hobbsee> StevenK: yeah, *odd* that.
[03:41] <Hobbsee> StevenK: and how many bugs were related to ubuntu?
[03:41] <Fujitsu> StevenK: Haha.
[03:41] <Hobbsee> StevenK: got to remember that getdeb uses LP as well
[03:41] <Hobbsee> so he can have crack-filled bugs there that will increase his count.
[03:41] <Fujitsu> Even better.
[03:42] <StevenK> I don't want to read through every page, but there is only one GetDeb bug on the first page
[03:42] <Hobbsee> you can search for ubuntu bugs
[03:42]  * Hobbsee has a look
[03:42]  * Fujitsu notes that the Invalid/Won't Fix metric isn't particularly valid, as he might have been doing valid triage.
[03:42] <Hobbsee> StevenK: was the total count for all states, including closed?
[03:42] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: yeah, but the chance of that is...
[03:43] <StevenK> Hobbsee: Yes, the >1,000 number was every state
[03:43] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee: True, but I was looking at counts from others, and found a quite high proportion of each was negatively closed.
[03:44] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: oh, indeed.  but i'd say most of kmos' were closed due to a) kmos incompetence b) kmos was wrong c) kmos closed teh bug at random
[03:44] <Fujitsu> Right.
[03:44] <Hobbsee> only 245 total, reported by kmos.
[03:44] <Fujitsu> ... then what the heck were the rest he ate!?
[03:44] <Hobbsee> outside of ubuntu
[03:45] <Hobbsee> there appears to be 771 that he's commented on
[03:45] <Hobbsee> and...159 that he's both the reporter, and commented on
[03:45] <TheMuso> I'm outa here. GOing out for a couple of hours, but we have a storm coming, so offline my gear oges.
[03:45] <Hobbsee> therefore, 857, assuming LP's search is not screwed.
[03:45] <Fujitsu> Bye TheMuso.
[03:46] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee: And what are the chances of it not being screwed? I'm thinking of searches for bugs within distroseries, for example.
[03:46] <Fujitsu> They give completely bogus results, most of the time.
[03:47] <chillywilly> I have a buddy who replaced some hardware for an ubuntu install but now he can't get the right sata driver loaded (data_via) it still loads the old one sata_sis (he even supposedly rebuilt the initrd image)...
[03:47] <chillywilly> sata_via
[03:47] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: indeed, it would count bugs affecting multiple packages, multiple times, as well as multiple distroseries bugs
[03:47] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: however, seeing as it does it for everyone
[03:47] <Fujitsu> That's not the sort of bogusness I was talking about, but right.
[03:48] <Hobbsee> i haven't seen launchpad search *really* screw up for a while
[03:48] <Fujitsu> That's because you don't do SRUs or security things.
[03:48] <Hobbsee> no, tha'ts not what i meant
[03:50] <Hobbsee> it appears to be fixed now
[03:50] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: i was searching for the busybox issues, iirc, so used a string that's common.
[03:50] <Hobbsee> i got a whole heap of results that did not contain the words of the search string.
[03:50] <Hobbsee> only a few of them, separately.
[03:50] <Fujitsu> Haha.
[03:51] <Hobbsee> like, only a few of the words, not all of them.
[03:51] <Fujitsu> If you want to search by textual content, you're much better off using Google.
[03:52] <Hobbsee> s/by textual content//
[03:52] <Fujitsu> Google doens't handle much of the meta-data well.
[03:54] <imbrandon> Hobbsee: too if you use the UW search and then click "launchpad" in the results at the top, it limits it to LP only results
[03:54] <Hobbsee> hmmm...
[03:57] <imbrandon> OR just search for "more:launchpad <term>" like "more:launchpad busybox" on search.uw.c or in the Firefox add-in
[03:57] <pwnguin> ive got a couple ignorant questions about program memory usage =/
[03:57] <pwnguin> which is the best way to measure a program's memory usage in GNOME?
[03:58] <pwnguin> there's Resident memory, and "Memory"
[03:58] <pwnguin> (and also x server memory, which firefox uses considerable amounts of)
[03:59] <imbrandon> Hobbsee: and if you would find it usefull it would only take me meer minutes to whip one up that only searches bugs.launchpad.net by default without the need for extra strings
[03:59] <imbrandon> just lemme know'
[03:59] <imbrandon> pwnguin: no idea
[03:59] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: hmm.  searching for something quite broad is something i don't tend to do much
[04:00] <imbrandon> true
[04:01] <imbrandon> the more:launchpad then is probably the way to go
[04:03] <imbrandon> ( fyi more:forums and more:wiki also work, but thats the only 3 i implmented, more upon request )
[04:07] <LaserJock> hmm, I've reported a whopping 62 bugs :/
[04:08] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: the idea is that you fix / close more than you report.
[04:08] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: sustainable bugs.
[04:08] <RAOF> pwnguin: It depends on what sort of memory usage you're after (although this is not helpful) :)
[04:08] <LaserJock> Hobbsee: well, I've commented on 344
[04:08] <RAOF> pwnguin: But I think you're probably after either "resident memory" or "writable memory"
[04:09] <LaserJock> I'm still waaaay behind Kmos though :(
[04:09]  * LaserJock write a random bug filing script
[04:09] <pwnguin> RAOF: does shared count stuff thats only shared in one program?
[04:09] <imbrandon> LaserJock!
[04:10] <RAOF> pwnguin: See, here's where it gets difficult :(
[04:10] <pwnguin> heh
[04:10] <imbrandon> do we get golden ponies for christmass ?
[04:10] <pwnguin> im just impressed that gnome's tool is keeping track of X
[04:10] <LaserJock> imbrandon: I sure hope so
[04:10] <pwnguin> its possible it also accounts for shared libs with a count of 1
[04:10] <imbrandon> :)
[04:14] <imbrandon> wtf http://www.boingboing.net/2007/12/06/western-digital-netw.html
[04:16] <LaserJock> imbrandon: wow, that's ... interesting
[04:17] <imbrandon> kinda dumb, a hdd should do whats its told
[04:17] <imbrandon> looks like i wont buy any wd's
[04:17] <imbrandon> ( even though i have one sitting here with my OS on it lol )
[04:18] <LaserJock> I don't quite understand what they are preventing, can you put media files on it?
[04:18] <imbrandon> yea
[04:18] <imbrandon> here is a better link
[04:18] <imbrandon> http://wdc.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/wdc.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=1495&p_created=1168641440&p_sid=bLTfVJLi&p_accessibility=0&p_redirect=&p_lva=&p_sp=cF9zcmNoPTEmcF9zb3J0X2J5PSZwX2dyaWRzb3J0PSZwX3Jvd19jbnQ9NSw1JnBfcHJvZHM9MCZwX2NhdHM9MCZwX3B2PSZwX2N2PSZwX3NlYXJjaF90eXBlPWFuc3dlcnMuc2VhcmNoX2ZubCZwX3BhZ2U9MSZwX3NlYXJjaF90ZXh0PS5hdmk*&p_li=&p_topview=1
[04:18] <imbrandon> ( longer but explains more )\
[04:18] <LaserJock> shesh, with a URL like that it's gotta be good ;-)
[04:18] <imbrandon> lol
[04:19] <LaserJock> imbrandon: even oggs :(
[04:19] <imbrandon> yea
[04:20] <LaserJock> well, i don't think it'd mess me up, but what the heck
[04:20] <DarkMageZ> imbrandon, it's partly deceptive. the full story is that you can't share those files with OTHER users.
[04:21] <imbrandon> right, but my dvr frontend certainly dont run as the same user as my pc account
[04:21] <imbrandon> :)
[04:22] <ScottK> LaserJock: I'm confident your random bug filing script would produce higher quality bugs than Kmos does on average.
[04:22] <LaserJock> ScottK: I really don't get it
[04:23] <LaserJock> I don't understand how he can do this so much
[04:23] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: boredom?
[04:23] <imbrandon> not knowign the processes or caring about them
[04:23] <LaserJock> well, I mean like how can he be wrong so much
[04:23] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: lack of care.  he does know.
[04:24] <imbrandon> i doubt he knows them all, hell i dont know them all :)
[04:24] <LaserJock> what is he doing wrong so much?
[04:25] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: the biggest problems seem to be sync bugs, where he doesn't feel it's appropriate to say why ubuntu changes can be dropped, sometimes adds more, for random, unknown reasons
[04:25] <Hobbsee> as in, that's what he's working on at the moment
[04:25] <Hobbsee> doesn't take enough care with his work, to see if it's right or wrong
[04:26] <Hobbsee> it's kind of like a monkey has glanced at the changelog, seen one bug is fixed in debian, so we can sync the entire thing.
[04:26] <Hobbsee> or the version is the same in debian, so we can throw out ubuntu changes.
[04:26] <Hobbsee> it's just utter stupidity like that, which he continues to do, even though he's told over and over again why things don't work that way
[04:26] <LaserJock> hmm, odd
[04:26] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: other problems are just lack of care, including filing removal bugs for packages not actually in the archive anyway.
[04:28] <RAOF> Hobbsee: Has he really filed removal bugs for non-existant packages?  How do you even do that?
[04:28] <Hobbsee> RAOF: oh yes.  i gave him a good larting over it.
[04:28] <Hobbsee> RAOF: by looking at the debian removal lists, then filing removal requests for everything, or almost everything, in ubuntu from it.
[04:29] <RAOF> But surely you'd file a removal request on the source package you want to remove, right?  If that's not in ubuntu...
[04:29] <Hobbsee> then he filed it under ubuntu, i think.
[04:30]  * RAOF blinks.
[04:30] <Hobbsee> it may have been a binary that w
[04:30] <Hobbsee> actually, no
[04:30] <Hobbsee> iirc, it was filed under a similar source package name
[04:31] <RAOF> I don't think a smiley exists for my current expression.
[04:31] <Hobbsee> hehe
[04:31] <imbrandon> lol
[04:31] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: of particular brilliance was a sync request of adept, which was up to ubuntu23 at the time.
[04:31] <imbrandon> wow
[04:31] <LaserJock> interesting
[04:31] <Hobbsee> that was a while ago...but...
[04:32] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: now, he's not doing as spectacularly large errors as that, but multiple smaller errors
[04:32] <Hobbsee> same base problems, etc.
[04:37] <LaserJock> hmm, he's not even an Ubuntu Member
[04:39] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: no, they stopped him.
[04:39] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: some people got together some objections about it
[04:39] <LaserJock> oh doh, I was there
[04:44] <imbrandon> DarkMageZ__: ping
[04:46] <imbrandon> DarkMageZ__: that diff.gz looks good, but umm you need to also provide me with a dsc if you want me to be able to do anything usefull with it
[04:47] <nixternal> Hobbsee: I uploaded the kdiff3 merge earlier this week
[04:48] <DarkMageZ> imbrandon, sry. my isp's provider is being lame.
[04:51] <nixternal> Hobbsee: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdiff3
[04:52] <imbrandon> DarkMageZ: no worries, i just applied it manualy, ummm i'm gonna make quite a few changes to this prior to upload, me and you seem to have very diffrent package techniuqes
[04:52] <Hobbsee> nixternal: yeah, i saw eventually
[04:52] <imbrandon> heh
[04:52] <nxvl> hi folks!
[04:52] <imbrandon> DarkMageZ: also autotool-dev ftw :)
[04:52] <nxvl> which are the priority bugs on this proces? the merges?
[04:52] <imbrandon> heya nxvl hows it been going
[04:53] <nxvl> imbrandon: nice, with lots of work
[04:53] <imbrandon> merges are pretty important yes
[04:53] <nxvl> and some hard days, cause my girlfriend has gone yesterday to USA for all summer
[04:53] <nxvl> to work on vail
[04:54] <imbrandon> ouch
[04:54] <nxvl> so the last days i was very busy
[04:54] <imbrandon> were at in the US ?
[04:54] <nxvl> imbrandon: no, it's nice to have some more free time now that i'm on my MOTU process
[04:54] <imbrandon> :)
[04:54] <nxvl> imbrandon: vail, corolado
[04:54] <imbrandon> ahh cool
[04:54] <bddebian> Nice
[04:55] <imbrandon> colrado is nice, cold this time of year, but nice
[04:55] <nxvl> yes and he has got a nice work, he will be lift oparator, so she will be snowboarding all day
[04:55] <imbrandon> :)
[04:55] <imbrandon> sounds like fun
[04:56] <nxvl> yes, i'm kind of sad, but is an experience she must have
[04:56] <nxvl> so i'm happy on the other hand
[04:56]  * imbrandon hates snow and we have about 2 inches on the ground right now here
[04:56] <nxvl> i love board sports
[04:56] <imbrandon> i'd break me neck :)
[04:56] <nxvl> i surf, skate, i have wakeboard, sandboard (which i want to do more), skinboard ...
[04:57] <nxvl> i haven't only, skyboard and snowboard
[04:57] <nxvl> and kniteboard
[04:57] <nxvl> :D
[04:58] <nxvl> i haven't been on the snow
[04:58] <nixternal> Hobbsee: don't scare me like that again...I had to search for my .upload file :)
[04:59] <nixternal> if he would have created a debdiff, I would have set as "will not fix" and uploaded it myself anyways...cuz I am a jerk like that :p
[04:59] <nxvl> ok
[04:59] <nxvl> now i need to work to fix the lost days
[04:59] <nxvl> so lets merge :D
[05:00] <nxvl> imbrandon: are you planning to go to debconf 8?
[05:00] <imbrandon> not sure yet, i will have to see what the $work scedule is like
[05:00] <imbrandon> i'd like to but who knows
[05:01] <LaserJock> where is debconf8?
[05:01] <imbrandon> they only decided on a region iirc, not a place
[05:01] <imbrandon> somewhere in EU
[05:01] <LaserJock> bah
[05:01] <LaserJock> EU gets *all* the good ones
[05:02] <imbrandon> It will be held in Mar del Plata, Argentina, from August 10th to August 16th, 2008
[05:02] <imbrandon> i was wrong
[05:02]  * tritium can't wait for a UDS in the southwestern states of the U.S.
[05:02] <LaserJock> heck yea!
[05:03] <imbrandon> tritium: hehe it was in socal not long ago :)
[05:03]  * RAOF thinks it's time for UDS - Hobart
[05:03] <tritium> imbrandon: yeah, missed that one :)
[05:03] <LaserJock> imbrandon: socal?
[05:03] <imbrandon> LaserJock: souther california
[05:03] <LaserJock> imbrandon: Mountain View is not southern cali
[05:03] <tritium> Wow, email from a google recruiter!  :)
[05:04] <imbrandon> LaserJock: close nuff :)
[05:04] <LaserJock> imbrandon: pfftt
[05:04] <LaserJock> tell that to somebody from LA
[05:04] <nixternal> mt. view is middle cali :)
[05:04] <nixternal> middle/northern cali
[05:04] <nixternal> wine country cali
[05:04] <imbrandon> LaserJock: http://debconf8.debconf.org/
[05:04] <LaserJock> I heard somebody from LA say anything above Bakersfield is norcal
[05:05] <nixternal> it is for someone from LA
[05:05] <nixternal> people in LA have their heads in the clouds anyways
[05:05] <nixternal> that smog has to be getting to them
[05:05] <imbrandon> s/clouds/smog/
[05:05] <LaserJock> s/smog/pot/
[05:05] <imbrandon> lol
[05:05] <imbrandon> coke :)
[05:05] <nixternal> I think they have surpassed Newark in pollution
[05:06] <nixternal> acid!
[05:06] <nxvl> imbrandon: nop, debconf 8 will be on Auguston Mar de Plata argentina
[05:06] <nixternal> here we go, imbrandon you know as soon as you name another drug, your x-girlfriend cutiecoder will be in here correcting you with the technical crap
[05:06] <nxvl> imbrandon: they have just decide where it will be debconf 9, but i don't remember well, i have it somewhere
[05:06] <imbrandon> I ... I ... cant feel ... my face ! -- Blow, best quote evar
[05:07] <imbrandon> sooo true
[05:07] <slangasek> nxvl: Extremadura
[05:07] <LaserJock> I need a LaserRockConf
[05:08] <LaserJock> everybody comes to my house
[05:08] <nixternal> works for me!
[05:08] <imbrandon> heh we'd all be broke from the casinos and brothels ;)
[05:08] <tritium> driving distance for me
[05:08] <LaserJock> Extremadura gets everything
[05:09] <LaserJock> tritium: how about UDS-LANL?
[05:09] <tritium> That would be interesting...
[05:09] <imbrandon> call me when Mark wants to have UDS-KC
[05:09] <nixternal> UDS Chicago!
[05:09] <nixternal> although, the Ubuntu fans are shrinking here
[05:09] <tritium> imbrandon: you're in KC?  I travel there on business _all the time_
[05:10] <LaserJock> hmm, ChiTown would be great
[05:10] <imbrandon> tritium: yup
[05:10] <tritium> imbrandon: I'll let you know next time I'm in town.
[05:10] <imbrandon> tritium: hit me up next time your in town, we can go for lunch/beer
[05:10] <nixternal> we have a bunch of places that would definitely host it
[05:10] <imbrandon> tritium: pwnguin is semi close to here too
[05:10] <tritium> imbrandon: excellent.  How about Strouds or Jack Stack?  :)
[05:10] <nixternal> Google, Google, Google, IIT, UIC, Google, Red Hat :)
[05:10] <nixternal> Microsoft!
[05:10] <nixternal> hahahaa
[05:10] <imbrandon> tritium: cool i love them both
[05:11] <tritium> imbrandon: great!  Thanks :)
[05:11] <superm1> go UDS Chicago!
[05:11] <imbrandon> as long as its jack stack on 435 & metcalf hehe
[05:11] <nixternal> superm1: you aren't allowed back in this state!
[05:11] <nixternal> are you here now by chance?
[05:11] <superm1> nixternal, finals are next week, and then i'll be home :)
[05:11] <tritium> imbrandon: yes, that's the one near Overland Park, right?
[05:11] <nixternal> going to be around on the 16th? we are planning another packaging tutorial at COD
[05:11] <imbrandon> yup, its in OP
[05:11] <tritium> (I usually stay there)
[05:12] <tritium> Perfect, then.
[05:12] <imbrandon> op is like 5 mintues from me, maybe 10 depending on traffic
[05:12] <superm1> nixternal, depends on how fast i get moved out.
[05:12] <superm1> nixternal, graduation is on the 15th, so i'll be packing up and headed back as quick as i can
[05:12] <tritium> imbrandon: I had no idea!
[05:12] <nixternal> ya, that will be a tough one
[05:12] <imbrandon> :)
[05:12]  * LaserJock needs to make some cash so he can fly to KC
[05:13] <nixternal> I hate crossing that river
[05:13] <tritium> mmm, barbecue
[05:13] <imbrandon> yesssssssssss bbq :)
[05:13] <nixternal> eww sweet sauced bbq :p
[05:13] <imbrandon> and the occasional fountain
[05:13] <nixternal> smoking with a dry rub is the way to go!
[05:13] <superm1> i'm still quite torn between southern style, texas style, and KC style..
[05:14] <nixternal> ya, me too actually
[05:14] <imbrandon> nixternal: kc as every kinda of bbq imagineable, but KC style is the best
[05:14] <nixternal> cuz there is Bullfrogs from KC that rocks
[05:14] <LaserJock> you guys have Oakland ribs before?
[05:14] <nixternal> I prefer dry rubs, Texas style bbq
[05:14] <imbrandon> LaserJock: at ribfest in reno :)
[05:14] <nixternal> omg, and they do a bbq sausage in Texas that is insane
[05:15] <superm1> nixternal, you been to rudy's at all in TX?
[05:15] <imbrandon> TX isnt part of the US untill they disown dubya
[05:15] <nixternal> I dunno the places I went to....went to a couple places in Austin, Dallas, San Antonio, and some hick towns further south
[05:15] <imbrandon> :)
[05:16] <superm1> nixternal, ah i just had rudy's for the first time a few weeks ago for an interview.  my "introduction" to TX bbq
[05:16] <nixternal> dubya's the man! he has joined the clinton train on copyright infringements now
[05:16] <tritium> We have a Rudy's here in Albuquerque
[05:16] <nixternal> tritium: you also have the sun!
[05:16] <nixternal> :)
[05:16] <superm1> yeah i love their style of serving food
[05:16] <tritium> nixternal: yes, and green chile :)
[05:17] <nixternal> you know another place I had great bbq and it was not at all expected? Mexico
[05:17] <imbrandon> was it beef or goat ?
[05:17] <imbrandon> heh
[05:17] <nixternal> dog
[05:17] <LaserJock> nixternal: they have a lot of pigs down there, I would think pork ribs would be popular ;-)
[05:18] <imbrandon> beef ribs ftw
[05:18] <nixternal> dunno about that, but their pork tacos rock
[05:18] <LaserJock> imbrandon: yeah, I don't like pork
[05:18] <nixternal> ya, I am not the biggest pork fan
[05:18] <LaserJock> nixternal: dude!
[05:18] <LaserJock> I was in mexico
[05:18] <ScottK> Heya nixternal.
[05:18] <LaserJock> and I had some pork tacos
[05:18] <nixternal> wasabi scotty2hotty
[05:18] <nixternal> hahaha
[05:18] <imbrandon> the only thing i rember bout mexico was boystown :)
[05:18] <nixternal> wasn't that some wrestler back in the day?
[05:18] <ScottK> nixternal: Sorry I pissed you off (re your mail to -devel-discuss)
[05:19] <LaserJock> and on the way home to the hotel we drove past the landfill/river and that's where all the pigs were
[05:19] <nixternal> ScottK: it only lasted a couple of hours and then it made sense after I started thinking about it :)
[05:19] <ScottK> nixternal: Cool.  Thinking is something I'm in favor of.
[05:20] <nixternal> see, when I go to Mexico I usually go to Cabo San Lucas (every October) and every now and then I go to Jalisco to visit a friend of mine
[05:20] <nixternal> in Jalisco it is nothing but agave farms
[05:20] <imbrandon> newva lorado aka boyztown :)
[05:21] <imbrandon> nixternal: ^
[05:21] <nixternal> never heard of it, and will never go there
[05:21] <imbrandon> :)
[05:21] <nixternal> I say the next UDS be in Cabo San Lucas...especially the october one...I would love to take a sponsorship to that one :) Free Sammy Hagar!
[05:22] <nixternal> Mexican Meltdown is the 2nd weekend of October every year, schedule UDS around that time and all will be good
[05:22] <nixternal> people can stay out at my families house...it is definitely big enough to fit 20 people comfortably
[05:23] <tritium> Nice!  Tequila shots in Cabo Wabo!
[05:23] <nixternal> Tequila shots of Cabo Wabo at the Cabo Wabo!
[05:23] <nixternal> mmmmm baby
[05:24] <nixternal> some Anejo, some Reposado, and definitely some Los Complianos (I know I butchered it)
[05:24] <tritium> I like the way you think, nixternal!
[05:24] <nixternal> hehe
[05:24] <nixternal> I have about 40 bottles left of Cabo Wabo right here in my house
[05:24] <nixternal> I make a killer Waborita
[05:24] <tritium> That's a stockpile!
[05:24] <slangasek> nixternal: why are the Ubuntu fans shrinking in Chicago?  left in the dryer too long?
[05:25] <nixternal> yup
[05:25] <ScottK> Cold does shrink things
[05:25] <nixternal> people switching to other distros...Foresight, Gentoo (eww), Fedora is getting big, and so is PCLOS now
[05:25] <nixternal> hahahaha ScottK
[05:25] <nixternal> GO BEARS!
[05:25] <nixternal> god they suck
[05:26]  * tritium only flys _through_ Chicago, but never stops
[05:26] <slangasek> wait, people are switching from Ubuntu /to/ Gentoo?
[05:26] <nixternal> on Sunday the Redskins play one down with 10 defensive players, tonight they play 12...they forgot hwo to play
[05:26] <slangasek> what's... wrong with them? :)
[05:26] <tritium> But I always grab a sandwich at PotBelly's in Midway airport
[05:26] <nixternal> slangasek: ya, I don't get it
[05:26]  * Hobbsee goes off to drown
[05:26] <nixternal> most of the Gentoo switching is going on at the University of Illinois at Chicago
[05:27] <nxvl> i have a crashed merge
[05:27]  * tritium saves Hobbsee with her long pointy stick
[05:27] <slangasek> never heard of Foresight Linux before.  No mention of package management, smells like a fad to me
[05:27] <nixternal> UIC is somewhat pissed at Ubuntu right now (sabdfl & jono) for not doing a talk at 2 consecutive flourish events...I can't put the fires out there and I have tried
[05:27] <nxvl> the old changes are missing (on the changelog)
[05:27] <nxvl> which are the procedures for this cases?
[05:27] <nixternal> slangasek: Foresight has Conary, which is a pretty sweet pkg mgr
[05:28] <imbrandon> its all python based from what soeone told me
[05:28] <bddebian> Foreskin?
[05:28] <nixternal> that it is
[05:28] <slangasek> "With dependencies defined at the file level, Conary's built-in dependency resolution brings in only the components needed from other packages instead of entire packages."
[05:28] <nixternal> bddebian: hehe, that is what I call it, and still call it that every now and then...and I am helping develop their KDE side
[05:28] <slangasek> yeah, braindead, it'll kill itself off soon enough, moving along
[05:29] <tritium> Conary is just a front-end to forceps
[05:29] <imbrandon> slangasek: wow really? that sounds ignorant
[05:29] <imbrandon> except maybe in embeded
[05:29] <nxvl> slangasek: yes, extremadura!
[05:29] <nixternal> ya, I doubt conary will kill itself off anytime soon...rPath has a bunch of clients using it now in cohoots with their rBuilder service
[05:30] <slangasek> imbrandon: no, even then it's a ridiculous amount of overhead to declare per-file dependencies for everything you need instead of just dividing your packages up right...
[05:30] <nixternal> slangasek: and lets not forget that you can install Foresight in less than 4 minutes :)
[05:30] <nxvl> imbrandon: i have a broken merge, in the changelos, all the ubuntu* entrys are missing, which are the procedures on this case (i'm using grab-merge script)
[05:31] <nixternal> haha, I leave those for other people to do :p
[05:32] <imbrandon> nxvl: fix the changelog manualy :)
[05:33] <nxvl> using the last ubuntu one, and adding the debian changeS?
[05:34] <slangasek> nxvl: that's probably easiest, yes
[05:34] <RAOF> nxvl: That probably works.  You might also be interested in some graphical merging utility such as meld (gtk) or kdiff (I think?, QT)
[05:37] <tritium> Good night!
[05:37] <imbrandon> gnight tritium
[05:59] <nxvl> on mom the merge isn't broken, so i will use it
[05:59] <nxvl> :D
[06:07] <Sikon> Does the COPYING file need to be in the root directory in an upstream tarball?
[06:08] <Sikon> In QSvn, the README file in the root directory points to it being in src/licenses/COPYINH
[06:08] <Sikon> *COPYING
[06:11] <dholbach> good morning
[06:12] <nxvl> dholbach: good night!
[06:18] <nxvl> dholbach: you are part of the CC, didn'y you?
[06:18] <dholbach> nxvl: yeah
[06:19] <nxvl> dholbach: oh nice, on perivuan LoCo team, we are trying to become an official LoCo team, so we are working on the missing point
[06:19] <dholbach> NICE
[06:19] <nxvl> dholbach: but i don't find the criteria used to aprove or deny a LoCo
[06:19] <dholbach> hang on
[06:19] <nxvl> dholbach: can you tell me about the process?
[06:20] <dholbach> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoGettingApproved
[06:20] <dholbach> it's linked from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncilAgenda
[06:21] <nxvl> dholbach: i have read it already, but i have heard that we need a LoCo team supporting us?
[06:22] <dholbach> nxvl: no - it's good if some members of the team show up at the CC meeting
[06:23] <dholbach> so you can explain about what the team has been doing, etc
[06:23] <nxvl> ok ok
[06:23] <dholbach> if there's people from a different loco team who can say something good about the peruvian loco, that's nice but not a "must"
[06:25] <nxvl> other thing i haven't clear is what are the thing a LoCo team must did to become oficial?
[06:25] <nxvl> we are working on marketing
[06:25] <nxvl> makings some talks, having stands on som others
[06:25] <dholbach> best to look at other applications
[06:26] <dholbach> to get a feeling for what teams did that have done well
[06:26] <nxvl> and giving support on install fest
[06:26] <nxvl> is that what you expect from a LoCo? or more developing or contribuiting work?
[06:26] <ScottK> nxvl: You should also ping Adri2000 about the package with the messed up changelong, so he can have a look at what went wrong.
[06:27] <nxvl> dholbach: actualy, we are looking at some of them
[06:27] <nxvl> ScottK: i use mom and there was fine, but i will ping her
[06:27] <dholbach> it's more important that your team is well organised, people know how to work together, have a clear agenda and got amazing things done without problems :)
[06:27] <dholbach> (in a nutshell)
[06:28] <nxvl> dholbach: thnx, now i have it clear
[06:28] <dholbach> ok good
[06:29] <nxvl> dholbach: we have an internal discuss because someone says that we need thing you say we don't :D
[06:29] <nxvl> discussion*
[06:29] <dholbach> best to talk to people from other locos
[06:29] <dholbach> or people on the loco-contacts list
[06:30] <ScottK> nxvl: That's what I generally do too if the DaD script has a problem.  Adri2000 is one of the DaD developers and so letting him know helps it not be messed up next time.
[06:31] <nxvl> dholbach: yes, thats why i'm asking you, since you part of the ones who decide it :D
[06:34] <nxvl> why is it MOTU (and OS proyects) so fun
[06:34] <nxvl> dholbach: as i understan MOTU fun is your fault
[06:34] <nxvl> understand
[06:34] <dholbach> no, it's not exactly my fault :)
[06:34] <dholbach> I was the fifth MOTU joining the team iirc :)
[06:35] <nxvl> i went out of cigarretes
[06:35] <nxvl> damn
[06:35] <nxvl> dholbach: oh! nice
[06:35] <nxvl> well
[06:35] <nxvl> its kind late in here
[06:35] <nxvl> good night folks!
[06:35]  * dholbach sends nxvl a cigarette via letter chute
[06:36] <dholbach> night nxvl
[06:49] <LongPointyStick> hey dholbach
[06:50] <dholbach> hey Sarah!
[06:50] <dholbach> or did somebody else borrow the LongPointyStick
[06:50] <LongPointyStick> no, i'ts hobbsee
[06:50] <dholbach> :)
[06:50] <Hobbsee> the LPS can not be borrowed!
[06:50] <imbrandon> ( only stolen )
[06:51] <dholbach> oh, it's LPS now? that should be in wtf then
[06:51] <Hobbsee> nah
[06:51] <dholbach> . o O { Gee...  I don't know what lps means... }
[06:51]  * Hobbsee beats dholbach with a big stick
[06:51]  * Hobbsee can do better, and assigns all kmos' bugs to dholbach 
[07:01] <LaserJock> man, I gotta get the ponies done so I can blog something else without feeling guilty :/
[07:01] <Hobbsee> yes.  you do.
[07:01] <imbrandon> LaserJock: lol
[07:02] <imbrandon> man flickrfs is slick
[07:02] <LaserJock> imbrandon: did Yahoo! by flickr?
[07:03] <imbrandon> LaserJock: i got AT&T DSL yahoo branded to replace my sucky comcast cable, so i get flickr pro and such free
[07:03] <LaserJock> imbrandon: yeah, I think I got an email about that
[07:03] <imbrandon> just installed this afternoon
[07:04]  * LaserJock has had yahooish DSL for a couple years
[07:04] <imbrandon> the only reason i dident use flickr before was the 100mb limit
[07:04] <LaserJock> the only reason I don't use flickr is I don't have any pictures
[07:05] <imbrandon> i got like 100mb of pics uploading now hhehe
[07:05] <LaserJock> shesh
[07:05] <imbrandon> and thats only the ones i'll make public, but my collection is still small compared to say sflaw
[07:05] <LaserJock> yeah, but he shoots awesome pics
[07:06] <imbrandon> yea
[07:06] <LaserJock> mine are like crap
[07:06] <LaserJock> I just steal his when I talk to people
[07:06] <LaserJock> ;-)
[07:06] <imbrandon> mine are mostly crap too, hehe but this way now i'll use the flickr workdpress plugin too and make a gallery on my page
[07:06] <imbrandon> LaserJock: btw you see my new blog theme? it still needs some tweaking i dont like the lionk colors but its much better
[07:07] <imbrandon> link*
[07:08] <LaserJock> ummm ... that's a little disturbing ;-)
[07:08] <imbrandon> ?
[07:08] <LaserJock> "hmm, I wonder if I can tattoo my body to look like Ubuntu"
[07:08] <imbrandon> haha
[07:09] <LaserJock> it's nice
[07:09] <LaserJock> just a little disturbing for an addict in recoverly
[07:09] <LaserJock> *recovery
[07:10] <imbrandon> LaserJock: http://www.flickr.com/photos/imbrandon/sets/    lots are still uploading
[07:10] <imbrandon> buta few are there
[07:10] <LaserJock> the wallpaper background is  genius
[07:10] <imbrandon> :)
[07:11] <Adri2000> nxvl: what merge is broken?
[07:11] <LaserJock> well, the window border is too but the wallpaper works very well for a lot of blogs
[07:12] <Adri2000> nxvl: sorry, I should read my mail first :)
[07:13] <LaserJock> imbrandon: you have de Icaza in your blogroll? isn't that like heresy or something? :-)
[07:13] <imbrandon> why? mono is what got me started in floss :)
[07:13] <LaserJock> ah right, was thinking more the Gnome part
[07:14] <LaserJock> wait a sec
[07:14] <imbrandon> :)
[07:14] <LaserJock> why the heck do you run KDE then? ;p
[07:14] <imbrandon> because kde == love
[07:14] <imbrandon> and there are kde bindings to c#, infact when i got started with mono there was no gtk/gnome bindings :)
[07:15] <LaserJock> some kind of sadistic love perhaps...
[07:15] <Hobbsee> he'll be developing checkinstall next
[07:15] <Hobbsee> and helping getdeb.
[07:15] <imbrandon> system.windows.forms was it, and it only kinda works on linux, unlike now
[07:16] <imbrandon> s/works/worked
[07:16]  * imbrandon beaats Hobbsee with her own LPS
[07:16] <LaserJock> heh
[07:16]  * Hobbsee beats imbrandon with mneptok 
[07:16] <imbrandon> lol
[07:16]  * LaserJock goes back to his nice procedural python code
[07:17] <LaserJock> one of these days maybe I'll find a use for OOP
[07:19] <LaserJock> dang it, what an idiot
[07:19] <imbrandon> ?
[07:19] <LaserJock> I stupidly put my work computer on a network hub this afternoon
[07:19] <Hobbsee> "oops"?
[07:20] <LaserJock> we moved our offices and I've got two extra computers I'm gonna turn into backup servers
[07:20] <LaserJock> since they are next to my desk I put all three computers on a hub
[07:20] <LaserJock> but now of course I can't ssh into my computer :(
[07:21] <imbrandon> hrm a hub  shouldent make any diffrnce
[07:21] <LaserJock> a switch would?
[07:22] <imbrandon> a router would
[07:22] <LaserJock> I can't remember the diff
[07:22] <imbrandon> router would give it a new ip/block traffic, swicthes and hubs should be transparent to ssh
[07:22] <LaserJock> hmm
[07:23] <LaserJock> well I can't ping it
[07:23] <LaserJock> and I'm pretty sure it's on
[07:23] <LaserJock> I'll have to investigate tomorrow
[07:24] <LaserJock> it's so hard to get network drops and IPs at work I think I'm gonna have to use a hub
[07:25] <imbrandon> a hub wnt give you any more ips, you'd need a router
[07:25] <imbrandon> wont*
[07:25] <LaserJock> I have IPs I guess
[07:26] <LaserJock> just not network drops
[07:26] <imbrandon> ahh
[07:26] <LaserJock> although I do need to get a couple more IPs
[07:26] <LaserJock> they took away all the IPs that weren't in use
[07:26] <LaserJock> cause we were hitting 254 I guess
[07:27] <imbrandon> heh i'm sure you all have more than one class c, i would think
[07:27] <LaserJock> for the department
[07:27] <imbrandon> ahh
[07:28] <imbrandon> trime to go get a snack while i wait for flickr to finish, brb
[07:28] <LaserJock> and no dhcp so it has to be cleaned up every once in a while
[07:29] <LaserJock> my group lost drevil in the last cleanup :(
[07:30] <LaserJock> which was an even cooler name after it spread a virus to the entire department ;-)
[07:37] <imbrandon> heh
[07:38] <LaserJock> huh, for some reason I thought gnuplot was in Main
[07:48]  * LaserJock stabs firefox
[08:08] <\sh> moins
[08:25] <DarkMageZ> if a program wants the opengl headers. i should feed it libgl1-mesa-dev ? what should one add if that doesn't stop the configure from crying?
[08:26] <imbrandon> whats configure crying about ?
[08:27] <DarkMageZ> it wants the OpenGL headers apparently. but i already fed it libgl1-mesa-dev.
[08:29] <imbrandon> i've never used ogl headers in a package i've delt with, but i would find out exactly what file its looking for and verify that package provides it
[08:29] <imbrandon> iirc there are a few diffrent ogl -dev packages
[08:30] <DarkMageZ> i tried reading the configure file to see what it was playing at. but it was fairly complex.
[08:30] <imbrandon> e.g. if configure if looking for something via pkg-config or a certain .h etc and use apt-file or packages.u.c to find it
[08:31] <imbrandon> whats the exact error where it breakes? can you pastebin it and a few lines before it also , maybe i can help you track it, i'm not a great ogl guy but i might stumble on somehing
[08:32] <DarkMageZ> i'm rerunning the build under a clean pbuilder. i'll have that in a sec.
[08:32] <imbrandon> ( unless someone that is more knoledgeable about ogl than me speaks up first hehe )
[08:32] <imbrandon> kk
[08:35] <DarkMageZ> http://pastebin.ca/808118
[08:36] <imbrandon> one sec, sending an email then i'll peek
[08:36] <DarkMageZ> i've uploaded the source package to http://mirror.randumb.org/darkmagez/lemuria/ if anyone wants to read the configure and translate it to engrish.
[08:45] <imbrandon> DarkMageZ: try adding libglu1-mesa-dev to the build depends
[08:45] <imbrandon> ( just a guess )
[08:45] <DarkMageZ> already there :(
[08:46] <imbrandon> hrm, i'm honestly at a loss then, OpenGL has never been a strong point of mine, someone else in here ( or possibly #ubuntu-x ? dunno ) might be able to help
[09:31] <Amaranth> DarkMageZ: it's looking for glAccum
[09:32] <DarkMageZ> where do i find that :s
[09:33] <Amaranth> try libgl1-mesa-swx11-dev
[09:33] <Amaranth> you can't install that on your system though
[09:34] <Amaranth> ah, wait
[09:35] <Amaranth> err, no, i was right the first time
[09:35] <Amaranth> hehe
[09:35] <Amaranth> too many different names for the same thing
[09:37] <DarkMageZ> hmm, but if i install that then the package i build won't install on my system  due to dependency problems right?
[09:37] <Amaranth> mesa-common-dev
[09:37] <Amaranth> try that then
[09:38] <Amaranth> yeah, that should do it
[09:38] <Amaranth> GL crap is all over the place
[09:39] <Amaranth> mesa-common-dev has /usr/include/GL/gl.h which defines glAccum so if that doesn't work the project's build system is broken and you should patch around it
[09:39] <DarkMageZ> mesa-common-dev is a dependency of libgl1-mesa-dev. guess it's a problem in the build system.
[09:54] <imbrandon> DarkMageZ: you on amd64 or i386 ?
[09:55] <DarkMageZ> i386
[09:55] <imbrandon> k
[10:11] <pochu> Morning MOTU Land!
[10:12] <Amaranth> hey pochu
[10:12] <pochu> hiya Amaranth
[11:14] <DarkMageZ> Amaranth, you're right. it was a bug in the build system. the dev got back to me and it was fixed in cvs. so i've got it working now ッ
[11:31] <DarkMageZ> imbrandon, i've got a new plugin for libvisual (this is a separate package) http://mirror.randumb.org/darkmagez/lemuria/
[12:49] <dholbach> MOTU Q&A session in 11 minutes in #ubuntu-classroom
[13:51] <ScottK> Riddell: Any thoughts about maybe putting ktnef in Main for Hardy?  Personally, I get enough broken mail from Outlook/Exchange users in my work that I'd be pretty well dead without it.
[13:57] <ScottK> Sorry.  Wrong channel.
[14:02] <frenchy> dholbach: Thanks for the session, that's a great service.  Is it normally that quiet or did I hog the room?
[14:02] <frenchy> dholbach: Also, would you like me to remove the dirs file now and re-upload now?
[14:02] <dholbach> frenchy: maybe I didn't announce it broadly enough this time :)
[14:02] <dholbach> frenchy: try it out and see if makes a change
[14:03] <Hobbsee> \sh: full agreement on your post, btw
[14:03] <frenchy> dholbach: But there were like 60 people in the room.
[14:03] <dholbach> frenchy: if it works nicely, upload it and I'll check back
[14:03] <\sh> Hobbsee, thx :)
[14:03] <dholbach> frenchy: lots of lurkers :)
[14:03] <frenchy> dholbach: Maybe they wanted to ask something?
[14:05] <dholbach> frenchy: don't blame yourself, I really appreciated your good questions and believe that everybody learned something new and took something good out of the session
[14:05] <dholbach> frenchy: so thanks again
[14:06] <Hobbsee> oh, that's right, there was a questions session on
[14:07] <frenchy> dholbach: No worries.
[14:07] <dholbach> great
[14:27] <Adri2000> nxvl: gramps merge is broken because DaD is relying on snapshot.debian.net, and the base version of gramps is not available there (see http://snapshot.debian.net/gramps and the 404 if you try to get version 2.2.9-1)
[14:33] <mok0> ScottK: are you awake?
[14:34] <ScottK> Yes, but on the phone
[14:34] <mok0> I'll wait
[14:35] <jonnymind> Hello all.
[14:36] <jpatrick> hello jonnymind
[14:37] <jonnymind> :-)
[14:41] <ScottK> mok0: Off the phone.  What's up?
[14:42] <mok0> ScottK: I'm about to do my first python package, so I have a couple of questions
[14:42] <ScottK> Shoot.
[14:42] <frenchy> dholbach: Sorry, I missed a few things ... please let me try again.
[14:43] <mok0> It's very simple, python only, uses setup.py. I'd like to use cdbs
[14:43] <mok0> Can you think of an example for me to look at?
[14:44] <ScottK> mok0: Sure.  Give me a moment to make sure.
[14:46] <ScottK> mok0: Have a look at pyyaml and please consider joinint Debian Python Modules/Apps Teams and uploading to Debian.  They are very friendly to Ubuntu people and it's probably easier than getting uploaded via REVU: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ContributingToDebian/PythonModulesTeam
[14:47] <mok0> Sounds great. I'll take contact to the team, as my next project :-)
[14:48]  * Nafallo tickles ScottK 
[14:48] <ScottK> mok0:  Excellent.  I'm on their IRC channel and can introduce you.
[14:48] <mok0> Which channel is that?
[14:48]  * ScottK gets the dead fish (now warm, but still wet) and slaps Nafallo.
[14:48] <POX__>  mok0: #debian-python
[14:48] <POX__> :)
[14:48] <ScottK> mok0: #debian-python on OFTC.
[14:49] <mok0> Cool, thanks! I'll see you there then
[14:49] <Nafallo> ScottK: lol. want me to smell fishy for any special reason? ;-)
[14:49] <ScottK> mok0: POX__ is a DD who is the primary sponsor for DPMT.  He's just a bit useless right now since his primary computer died.
[14:50] <ScottK> Nafallo: No, I just still had it handy from our earlier discussion on #ubuntu-server.
[14:50] <Nafallo> ScottK: ;-)
[14:51] <POX__> hehe, yep, I'm useless right now, like ScottK said ;)
[15:21] <white> anywone experiences the same problems as 454413 ?
[15:22] <Nafallo> bug #454413
[15:22] <Nafallo> hmm
[15:22] <Nafallo> no idea.. what is it?
[15:23] <white> problems after a security NMU
[15:23] <ScottK> Maybe Debian Bug #454413 works better?
[15:23] <ubotu> Debian bug 454413 in libcairo2 "gecho crashes with the latest unstable libcairo2" [Important,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/454413
[15:24] <Nafallo> wasn't that fixed in Ubuntu already?
[15:24] <white> it is a regression
[15:24] <white> and ubuntu uses the same patch
[15:24] <Nafallo> sure, but wasn't the regression fixed?
[15:25] <Nafallo> ah, right. I'm thinking of the wrong regression.
[15:26] <bddebian> Heya
[15:26] <white> well i suspect that the same problem exists in ubuntu
[15:28] <Nafallo> hmm
[15:28] <Nafallo> we have had firefox rebuilt however...
[15:28] <white> ?
[15:29] <white> Nafallo: you mean it needed a rebuild against the new libcairo version?
[15:29] <Nafallo> a regression made firefox be rebuilt in -security after the cairo bug.
[15:29] <Nafallo> well, it's a possibilty to why I can't see the bug in current gutsy :-)
[15:33] <white> but wasn't the firefox regression totally unrelated and because of a sec fix in firefox?
[15:33] <Nafallo> yes. still got rebuilt against the new cairo.
[15:33] <nion> hi
[15:33] <Nafallo> hi nion :-)
[15:34] <nion> Nafallo: can you tell me more about the regression? i was the one who update cairo in debian and i really fail to see any problem with the patch
[15:34] <white> nion: Nafallo and I are discussing the damn cairo problem and he suspects that a rebuild of firefox would make it dissapear
[15:34] <Nafallo> nion: any information on how to reproduce the issue in cairo?
[15:34] <Nafallo> if it's just surfing around I can't reproduce it.
[15:35] <nion> white: yeah a rebuild of iceweasel will for sure solve this but i will see a reason to do it first :)
[15:35] <nion> Nafallo: if you have a version that has not been rebuild go to debian.org/misc
[15:35] <nion> this will crash iceweasel
[15:36] <Nafallo> I should see this with firefox as well, right?
[15:36] <nion> yes i think so
[15:37]  * Nafallo fish out the down-grade from launchpad
[15:39] <ScottK> imbrandon: You might want to follow-up on your openssl097 blog post that it's been removed from partner.
[15:43] <Nafallo> nion: doesn't die with this version either.
[15:43] <nion> hmm strange
[15:44] <nion> if the reporter wouldnt say that downgrading solved his problem id really say this patch does not cause this :)
[15:44] <nion> i see no ABI breakage in the patch
[15:44] <Nafallo> nion: rebuild it for the reporter and ask him to test that version?
[15:44] <nion> why this?
[15:44] <nion> or you mean iceweasel?
[15:45] <Nafallo> nion: to see if rebuilding solves it :-). yes, the browser.
[15:45]  * RainCT wonders if there is any reason why /usr/local/games isn't in the path
[15:45] <nion> ah yes sure, already building
[15:45] <Nafallo> RainCT: people shouldn't play games ;-)
[15:45] <RainCT> lol
[15:45] <RainCT> Nafallo: but /usr/games is
[15:45] <RainCT> :P
[15:46] <Nafallo> RainCT: people shouldn't compile games ;-)
[15:47] <Nafallo> nion: weirdness anyway. no idea then.
[15:47] <nion> Nafallo: did you see the patch?
[15:47] <RainCT> Nafallo: ok, I'll tell people that you volunteer to package any game that isn't in the repo.. muahaha :)
[15:48] <Nafallo> nion: looking now
[15:48] <Nafallo> RainCT: :-P
[15:49] <nion> Nafallo: i mean what it bascially does is changing all malloc calls to the preprocessor function to fix the integer overflows, there should be no addresses involved that could change
[15:51] <Nafallo> nion: agreed. if it didn't relied on buggy behaviour :-)
[15:52] <RainCT> omg, the kde-core package filled my "others" menu with crap :P
[15:52] <nion> mhm this thing is driving me nuts :)
[15:52] <ScottK> RainCT: IIRC (as in I didn't look it up to make sure): usr/local is all FHS calls for and by design subdirs are not in the path by default.
[15:52] <RainCT> (I guess that the reason that a 70% of the icons are missing is that  a KDE artwork package is missing, or?)
[15:54] <RainCT> ScottK: but /usr/local/bin is. that's what I find strange..
[15:54] <ScottK> Hmm.  Dunno then.  I don't ever install stuff that isn't packaged, so it doesn't come up for me (I'll roll my own if needed).
[15:56] <RainCT> I usually neither (most of what I've there are little scripts I created myself), but sometimes I try somewhat out (removing it later) and one of those times I noticed this..
[15:58] <Nafallo> nion: nothing pops out.
[16:00] <bobbo> Is this where you come to get help with packaging?
[16:01] <ScottK> bobbo: Yes.
[16:02] <bobbo> right, I am trying to package a python script but i am totally stuck for writing the rules file (This is my first package)
[16:02] <jeromeg> does anyone knows how I can find the patch whihc fixed http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=462906 ?
[16:02] <ubotu> Gnome bug 462906 in GUI "[Win32] Tools->Preferences crashes" [Major,Resolved: fixed]
[16:02] <jeromeg> I need it to do an SRU
[16:04] <nion> Nafallo: ok thanks so far, i have to wait for the iceweasel build then
[16:05]  * RainCT is going to have a look at KDE
[16:18] <RainCT> wow.. pretty nice this KDE thing :P
[16:22] <ScottK> RainCT: ;-)
[16:28] <nxvl_work> ScottK: i made the changes you ask for gramps
[16:36] <ScottK> nxvl_work: I saw.  Did you send the bugs to Debian?
[16:38] <nxvl_work> ScottK: nop, i don't find the LP bug to check the why of the change and don't feel good just saying "add this thing cause i say so"
[16:39] <nxvl_work> and on the changelog isn't the bug number so i can see the why
[16:39] <ScottK> OK.  dh_iconcache was an Ubuntu only thing.  dh_icons is in Debian.  It's a wishlist bug for Debian because their menu system doesn't need it.
[16:40] <ScottK> So the bug would be please add dh_icons to help out downstream with a priority of wishlist.
[16:40] <nxvl_work> ok, reporting
[16:41] <keescook> StevenK: (or other u-u-sponsors admin): can you renew my membership to the team?
[16:50] <nxvl_work> sent
[16:51] <dcordero> hi
[16:51] <dcordero> if i add a new gpg key to my launchpad, it will be added automatic in revu system?
[16:52] <pochu> Are you in ~ubuntu-universe-contributors?
[16:52] <pochu> And no, a REVU admin needs to resync the keyring
[16:53] <nxvl_work> ScottK: should i link bts to the LP bug? I think no, cause it has nothing to do with the merge "bug"
[16:53] <dcordero> i am revu member with a old gpg key
[16:53] <ScottK> nxvl_work: That's correct (no).
[16:53] <nxvl_work> ScottK: ok, it's reported
[16:53] <ScottK> dcordero: Keys will have to be resynced.
[16:53] <pochu> dcordero: then a re-sync should be enough I guess. imbrandon, siretart?
[16:54] <dcordero> ok
[16:54] <dcordero> i see
[16:55] <nxvl_work> ScottK: you are also a DD, didn't you?
[16:55] <ScottK> nxvl_work: No.  Working on it.
[16:55] <nxvl_work> ScottK: oh k, so you are a NM
[16:57] <ScottK> Yes.
[17:36] <jpatrick> how does one use "dpkg --compare-versions" ?
[17:36] <jpatrick> I keep getting nothing
[17:39] <bddebian> dpkg --compare-versions 1.0~rc1-1 lt 1.0-1 && echo true || echo false
[17:39] <bddebian>   true
[17:40] <jpatrick> ah, ok
[17:41] <geser> Hi bddebian
[17:41] <bddebian> Heya geser
[17:45] <blueyed> StevenK: do you plan uploading a new virtualbox-ose-modules with the available fixes? I could put together a debdiff for sponsorship, but won't bother if you'll re-work it then anyway.
[17:49] <Ng> where abouts in a package would I put the necessary mojo to make a given binary setuid?
[18:07] <nion> Nafallo: ok, rebuild does not help, seems to be related to the maths in the preprocessor functions
[18:07] <Nafallo> nion: lovely :-/
[18:26] <_MMA_> Hi guys. A backport request is just a bug filing right? Should it be formatted any particular way?
[18:28] <geser> _MMA_: have you read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports#head-37a793d5ee480081f1c9f19e07fcdcdae5e6a9ed ?
[18:29] <ScottK> _MMA_: Not really.  Ideally you would have built and tested what you want backported.  If you have, please make sure you say the exact version tested.  Someone will have to test it before it can be approved.
[18:32] <_MMA_> geser: Done. ScottK: I already filed. :( In any case there's only one version and its in Hardy. I'm actually using that in Gutsy. Maybe I can get one of my guys to do it.
[18:32] <ScottK> _MMA_: GIve me a bug number.
[18:32] <_MMA_> bug 174722
[18:32] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 174722 in mppenc "Please backport mppenc to Gutsy" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174722
[18:33]  * ScottK looks
[18:34] <_MMA_> ScottK: http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/sound/mppenc
[18:35] <jonnymind> Ppl, just fyi. I experience a series of random mouse hangs since tuesday night (I updated with adept, but I don't remember exactly the packages).
[18:35] <jonnymind> In the  beginning, I thought it was my wireless mouse, then I switched to a standard USB one and the result was the same...
[18:35] <jonnymind> I am rebooting now for this reason. brb.
[18:39] <ScottK> _MMA_: Just add a comment that it builds, installs, and runs in Gutsy and I'll approve it.
[18:40] <_MMA_> Ahh... I see what you mean now. Sure. I think I can do this tonight.
[19:20] <DarkSun88> Hi all
[19:24] <geser> Hi DarkSun88
[19:24] <Nafallo> hi Baby
[19:24] <DarkSun88> Hi geser :)
[19:24] <DarkSun88> See you later. I'm goint to eat.
[19:24] <DarkSun88> going*
[19:34] <wraund> wow ubuntu is adaptable, must be the generic kernel, my main MoBo died and ive temp replaced with an older Mobo and ancient processor
[19:34] <wraund> it works :o
[19:39] <jussi01> ScottK: ping. Please check bug 174722
[19:39] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 174722 in mppenc "Please backport mppenc to Gutsy" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174722
[19:47] <ScottK> jussi01: Looking
[19:49] <ScottK> jussi01: Thanks.  Acked from ubuntu-backporters.  Now we just need to wait for an archive-admin to process it.
[19:50] <ScottK> _MMA_: ^^^
[19:50] <_MMA_> ScottK: Thanx. :)
[19:50] <ScottK> No problem.
[19:53] <jussi01> :D
[20:00]  * mdomsch needs some pointers
[20:00] <mdomsch> people using my dell-firmware repository on linux.dell.com for updating their system BIOS
[20:01] <mdomsch> now see that 'apt-get upgrade', called several times, always re-downloads the packages
[20:01] <mdomsch> for system-bios-*
[20:01] <sistpoty> hi folks
[20:01] <mdomsch> over and over and over again, and installs them, over and over and over again
[20:01] <mdomsch> The following packages will be upgraded:
[20:01] <mdomsch>    system-bios-poweredge-2950 (1.5.1-1 => 1.5.1-1)
[20:01] <mdomsch>    system-bios-ven-0x1028-dev-0x01a8 (0.a09-1 => 0.a09-1)
[20:02] <mdomsch> I'm at my wits end trying to figure out why
[20:04] <sistpoty> mdomsch: did you check bugs against apt yet? (though only getting part of what you wrote, it looks like one to me)
[20:06]  * persia wonders if the MOTU Meeting is really scheduled for 20:00 UTC
[20:06] <DktrKranz> persia, it is.
[20:06] <sistpoty> persia: now?
[20:06] <persia> sistpoty: I think.
[20:07] <sistpoty> persia: thanks... I completely forgot to check when it is *g*
[20:07] <DktrKranz> probably all of us... -meeting is quite calm now
[20:09] <mdomsch> sistpoty, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=351056 sounds similar, but I don't know if it's the same
[20:09] <ubotu> Debian bug 351056 in apt "apt-get always install the same two packages during upgrade or dist-upgrade" [Important,Open]
[20:11] <sistpoty> motu meeting just started, please everyone join #ubuntu-meeting
[20:12] <Ubulette> persia, fyi, prism has finally been sponsored (pitti rejected it once because of the MPL file)
[20:13] <Ubulette> should I nuke it on REVU ?
[20:13] <persia> Ubulette: Not nuke.  It should have been archived by the sponsor.  I'll archive after the MOTU Meeting.
[20:14] <Ubulette> ok
[20:23] <jonnymind> ppl, I don't know if this is the right place to ask, so plz. forgive me if not. Is there anything else I have to do about the "falcon" package I uploaded in REVU?
[20:24] <ScottK> jonnymind: This is the best place to ask.
[20:24] <jonnymind> :-)
[20:26] <ScottK> jonnymind: Have you gotten any review comments on it yet?
[20:26] <jonnymind> No
[20:27] <imbrandon> hrm "falcon" ? seems like we have a namespace issue , Seveas did you know about this falcon ? heh
[20:27] <ScottK> jonnymind: If you're around, you can ask for a review (with the link to your package on REVU) and maybe solicit interest.
[20:27] <jonnymind> Ok.
[20:28] <jonnymind> imbradon: about the namespace thing, I may suggest "falconpl" (for falcon programming language)
[20:28] <ScottK> Mondays (AET) are revu days and you can ask more often, but generally asking once a day is considered polite.
[20:28] <jonnymind> I made clear that the uploaded package is a "tentative" package, and has to be re-done anyway.
[20:28] <jonnymind> Ok, thanks. I'll be around next monday to ask politely ;-)
[20:30] <ScottK> You can ask before then.
[20:30] <ScottK> Just not more than once a day.
[20:31] <jonnymind> Ok. I'll stick to the rules.
[20:31] <jonnymind> So, I have asked enough for today ;-)
[20:32] <jonnymind> I don't wanna distract you while in the meeting, sorry.
[20:35] <ScottK> No problem.
[20:39]  * jonnymind is away: Sono occupato
[21:08] <norsetto> proppy: hmmmm, any link you want to share?
[21:09] <proppy> norsetto: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Spec/ContributorREVU
[21:09] <proppy> norsetto: trying to write a spec on how non MOTU should post comment to review
[21:10] <proppy> norsetto: maybe you can help ?
[21:10] <norsetto> proppy: is that a spec on what exactly?
[21:11] <proppy> norsetto: it popped during the #motu-meeting
[21:11] <proppy> ***persia proposes the drafting of a spec for how non-MOTUs would comment, for general review
[21:11] <proppy> sistpoty: [IDEA] fix revu to allow non-motu contributors
[21:11] <proppy> MootBot: IDEA received:  fix revu to allow non-motu contributors
[21:11] <proppy> persia: proppy: Would you be up for drafting a spec for how Contributors would add REVU comments?
[21:11] <proppy> ScottK: proppy: How about you make a first draft?
[21:12] <norsetto> proppy: ok, so is a spec for a functionality to be implemented in REVU.
[21:12] <ScottK> proppy: I really don't have time.  I volunteered someone else for a reason.
[21:12] <apache|mobile> <-- evil headache
[21:12] <ScottK> norsetto: Also process changes in MOTU.
[21:13] <norsetto> proppy: hehe, I see you were volunteered hunanimously
[21:14] <ScottK> norsetto: This is what he gets for raising the idea.
[21:14] <proppy> norsetto: I said I was ok :)
[21:14] <norsetto> apache|mobile: dave morris would like you to confirm your advocation in light of the lastest changes. Can you do that?
[21:14] <apache|mobile> norsetto: what pacakge?
[21:14] <proppy> norsetto: I don't know how to say 'no'
[21:14] <norsetto> proppy: NO?
[21:14] <proppy> norsetto: ARG put this away from me
[21:15] <norsetto> proppy: try the japanese obsequios referential form ....
[21:15] <proppy> norsetto: yep and ScottK is right I raised the idea so I should at least bootstrap the spec
[21:16] <norsetto> proppy: what do we need a spec for, isn't enough just to leave it as is just precluding contributors from advocating?
[21:16] <proppy> maybe when writing the spec we will figure that out :)
[21:17] <proppy> writing the spec is all about facing the 'mental implentation' of it right ?
[21:18] <norsetto> proppy: I'm of the school "killing a fly with a bazooka might not always be appropriate"
[21:18] <norsetto> proppy: but, ok, first of all, what is it that we want?
[21:19] <norsetto> oh spec left ....
[21:19] <norsetto> poor spec :-)
[21:19] <norsetto> apache|mobile: ccptest
[21:19] <apache|mobile> will have a look
[21:20] <proppy> norsetto: first I should restore the SpecTemplate i've just overwritten :)
[21:20] <norsetto> proppy: write it down in your twigglydiggly wiki and we edit it together
[21:20] <proppy> norsetto: done https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SpecTemplate
[21:21] <proppy> norsetto: you read in my mind :)
[21:21] <proppy> norsetto: I hate centralized stuff, since I m not cautious, I always break something :)
[21:22] <ScottK> You two could always use Gobby.
[21:22] <norsetto> scottk: vade retro gobby!
[21:23]  * ScottK doesn't know what that is supposed to mean.
[21:23] <norsetto> go away gobby! (like the exorcist saying it to the devil ....)
[21:25] <norsetto> scottk: just latin, say it to fake being cool and wise and all that
[21:25] <proppy> ScottK: I never used gobby
[21:25] <proppy> ScottK: this seems more suited to live edition
[21:26] <ScottK> proppy: It's easy enough and it lets you both edit the document at the same time.
[21:26] <proppy> ScottK: let's apt-get install it
[21:26] <ScottK> You and norsetto.
[21:26] <ScottK> You can use gobby.ubuntu.com to put your document while you work on it.
[21:26] <proppy> wiki are good for async process
[21:26] <norsetto> its funny ,when you say You and norsetto. its red on my screen and I can hear your voice
[21:28] <proppy> norsetto: I've setup http://proppy.aminche.com/REVUContributor.html
[21:28] <proppy> norsetto: but let's try gobby
[21:28] <ScottK> Cool.
[21:33] <Ubulette> anyone for bug 174739 ?
[21:33] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 174739 in seamonkey "[needs-packaging] seamonkey 1.1.7" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174739
[21:35] <ScottK> Ubulette: Didn't we used to have that and it got removed?
[21:35] <Ubulette> it's back
[21:35] <Ubulette> !info seamonkey hardy
[21:35] <ubotu> seamonkey: The Seamonkey Internet Suite. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.1.6+nobinonly-0ubuntu1 (hardy), package size 25 kB, installed size 92 kB
[21:36] <ScottK> Ubulette: Then the bug should be upgrade, not needs-packaging.
[21:38] <Ubulette> ScottK, ok, what should I use then ?
[21:38] <ScottK> Ubulette: Change the tag from needs-packaging to upgrade.
[21:39] <Ubulette> done
[22:16] <Flare183> How do i create the dsc file?
[22:17] <norsetto> flare138: debuild or dpkg-buildpackage
[22:18] <Flare183> k
[22:30] <Flare183> problem: http://flare183.pastebin.ca/808799
[22:30] <Flare183> How do I fix it?
[22:30] <stdin> Flare183: install cdbs
[22:30] <Flare183> k
[22:30] <stdin> and build-dep on it too
[22:30] <Flare183> ok
[22:32] <Flare183> Now it says that it failed to sign .dsc and .changes file
[22:32] <Flare183> What should i do
[22:33] <geser> Flare183: does your uid on your key match the Changed-By value in .changes? (including any comments)
[22:33] <Flare183> no
[22:33] <Flare183> i can fix that
[22:39] <Flare183> i can't remember how, how do i go about doing so?
[22:40] <frenchy> Hi there!  Should a man page contain a GPL header?
[22:41] <geser> Flare183: set DEBFULLNAME and DEBEMAIL and dch will use this values for this
[22:55] <proppy> should I post https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Spec/ContributorREVU to the ML ?
[22:55] <proppy> following the meeting minutes ?
[22:55]  * proppy thanks a lot norsetto, for writing this together
[23:04]  * sistpoty needs to go to bed now... gn8 everyone
[23:05] <proppy> gn8
[23:48] <pschulz01> what's the 'best/easiest' way of pulling in a new upstream release?
[23:48] <norsetto> pschulz01: package it yourself
[23:48] <pschulz01> Ok.. yes.. but..
[23:49] <norsetto> pschulz01: but?
[23:49] <pschulz01> norsetto: I have a new upstrean tar.gz.
[23:49] <pschulz01> norsetto: I have my exisitng diff.
[23:50] <pschulz01> norsetto: Do I just.. rename new tar to 'orig.tar.gz', untar, apply my diff, and the dpkg-buildpackage?
[23:50] <norsetto> pschulz01: it all depends whats new
[23:51] <norsetto> pschulz01: is there any change in copyright/license?
[23:51] <pschulz01> norsetto: new upstream release :-)
[23:51] <norsetto> pschulz01: is there a change which need to modify configure/make options?
[23:51] <pschulz01> Let's say there isnt.
[23:51] <norsetto> pschulz01: is there a change which need new/modified maintainer scripts?
[23:51] <pschulz01> No
[23:52] <norsetto> pschulz01: new things to be installed? Old things to be removed?
[23:52] <pschulz01> (not at this stage.. I might make soem changes shortly)
[23:53] <pschulz01> norsetto: These are all changes in the 'debian' directory.. which I will be happy to modify.. once I've moved from 3.0.0 to 3.0.1
[23:54] <pschulz01> Then I can go nuts with 3.0.1-1 (etc.)
[23:54] <norsetto> pschulz01: perhaps we need to update few things, like .desktop file, standard version, compatibility level, menu
[23:54] <pschulz01> norsetto: What the? No. Command line app.. (perl)
[23:56] <norsetto> pschulz01: well, if its just a new tarball and don't need anything, just package it. The current procedure is to provide an interdiff but apparently we are changing it, so I'm not sure if that is still advisable
[23:57] <norsetto> pschulz01: you just need to change the changelog obviously
[23:57] <norsetto> pschulz01: is this an ubuntu package or a debian one?
[23:58] <pschulz01> norsetto: neither at this stage... I'm building debs.
[23:58] <norsetto> pschulz01: wait a second, you mean is a completely new package?
[23:58] <pschulz01> norsetto: I'm building on my gutsy, and will submit to Ubuntu at some stage.