[02:01] <Burgundavia> dendro-away: there is a history of the desktop people not really caring about large deployments
[02:01] <Burgundavia> dendro-away: basically, I think the server team will need to push this
[02:04] <Innatech> I could use a little practical advice on satisfying a client requirement for a site with a handful of Ubuntu servers and routers. I'm going on vacation, and they would like some kind of procedure to, essentially, shut down and restart everything. I'm hesistant to give them a procedure to follow at the consoles or over SSH, even if it's just running a script. Is there a more elegant way?
[02:05] <infinity> A more elegant way to type "reboot"?
[02:06] <Innatech> I don't really want them to touch the consoles. I'd rather give them some application they can run from their desktop that will invoke an automatic shutdown script on each machine.
[02:06] <Innatech> They are really not technical people.
[02:07] <Innatech> Maybe even one of the open source monitoring/management packages with a Web interface?
[02:07] <infinity> So, I guess you get to write a big GUI button that, on the backend, does an ssh trigger that... Reboots.
[02:07] <Innatech> Yeah. I suppose that would be simple enough. OK.
[02:08] <infinity> If you have VB or C#, should take about 3 minutes.
[02:08] <infinity> 4, if you fuss over the size of the button.
[02:08] <Innatech> I don't really code, but I'll see what I can scrape together. Heh.
[03:20] <jetole> hey guys
[03:21] <jetole> does anyone know of a way to measure network throughput at any given time?
[03:21] <jetole> basically to measure how much data your computer is sending at any one point
[03:21] <jetole> or recieving
[03:21] <jetole> ??
[03:34] <nealmcb> jetole: iptraf
[03:35] <jetole> nealmcb: thanks
[03:35] <nealmcb> also iftop, ntop, mrtg, cricket
[03:35] <nealmcb> cacti...
[03:35] <Innatech> iptstat
[03:36] <jetole> well I will look at iftop and cricket but I want a way to poll it on the command line, something I can use to pipe into mysql
[03:36] <nealmcb> ifconfig :-)
[03:37] <nealmcb> or the ip command
[03:37] <jetole> well I will look into ip but I didn't know I could get that from ifconfig
[03:37] <Innatech> is there anything in /proc/net ?
[03:37]  * jetole has some RTFM to do
[03:38] <jetole> Innatech: I would imagine but I don't know where
[03:38] <Innatech> cat /proc/net/dev
[03:38] <Innatech> that looks promising
[03:38] <Innatech> then feed it through awk when you decide what you want.
[03:39] <jetole> /proc/net/dev looks like it tells me a total of data sent
[03:39] <jetole> as opposed to how much data is travelling at the moment
[03:39] <Innatech> hrrrm.
[03:39] <Innatech> Well, watch it and do math.
[03:40]  * nealmcb wonders if iptables can tell you
[03:40] <Innatech> probably can.
[03:40] <jetole> well I have asked in #iptables and they suggested bwmon which I havn't compiled yet
[03:41] <jetole> they just mentioned that a few mins ago
[03:42]  * jetole is still looking into this
[03:43] <Innatech> I found a few perl scripts that just track /proc/dev/net and update an env variable with the throughput at a user defined interval
[03:43] <Innatech> >shrug<
[03:43] <jetole> hmmm
[03:43] <jetole> maybe
[03:43] <Innatech> err, /proc/net/dev that is.
[03:44] <jetole> I would tend to think there is a more native way
[03:48] <Innatech> jetole: how about ifstat
[03:49] <Innatech> it watches /proc/net/dev like everything else, but it's cleaned up for you.
[03:51]  * jetole looks
[03:54] <Innatech> also bwm-ng
[03:54] <Innatech> again, it just watches proc
[03:55] <jetole> ifstat looks good so far
[03:56] <Innatech> ethstats is another option
[03:56] <Innatech> ;P
[03:56]  * jetole will look at both those but ifstat seems good as well
[04:03] <Innatech> jetole: there's something called ftm you can try if you prefer to use the netfilter packer counters. It might be cheaper than scraping ethstats.
[04:04] <jetole> ethstats doesn't seem too interesting, from what I have seen it won't do a single dump...
[04:04] <jetole> and I want to monitor only every 5 mins so a single command that can be cron tab'd will do
[04:04] <jetole> ifstat seems to do that
[04:05] <nealmcb> yeah - ifstat is very clean and reminds me of iostat
[04:05] <nealmcb> jetole: thanks for both the question and followup :-)
[04:06] <jetole> no prob, I really wanted to know
[04:06] <jetole> ;)
[04:06] <jetole> and I am still looking into it
[04:20] <jetole> actually right now I am looking at writting a little c script that reads in and out on one interface and posts it to the mysql
[06:26] <kraut> moin
[12:51] <qiyong> is it safe for production server to upgrade from feisy to gusty?
[12:51] <qiyong> generally
[12:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> yes, if you take precautions
[12:52] <qiyong> Kamping_Kaiser: the key softwares are postfix
[12:52] <qiyong> Kamping_Kaiser: i guess everthing can go smoothly
[12:53] <qiyong> Kamping_Kaiser: it is wise to catch up the latest release, right?
[12:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> qiyong, if theres no backports, minimal universe and no external packages the upgrade should be fairly painless
[12:53] <qiyong> even if it's a production server
[12:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> qiyong, not necesarily. it works.
[12:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> if you need a functionality from gutsy, upgrade. otherwise, stay where you are.
[12:54] <qiyong> Kamping_Kaiser: 2.3 postfix doesn't work with milter, so i'd upgrade to 2.4 postfix with gusty
[12:54] <qiyong> Kamping_Kaiser: if i stay with feisty, then years later
[12:55] <qiyong> when feisty and feisty upgrade are no longer supported, problem comes then
[12:55] <qiyong> Kamping_Kaiser: in terms of backports, there maybe some from ubuntu security repos
[12:55] <Kamping_Kaiser> qiyong, when hardy comes out, you can upgrade to that via gutsy and its a supported update still
[12:55] <qiyong> nothing else
[12:56] <Kamping_Kaiser> -security is fine. the -backports repository is what i was thinking about
[12:56] <ScottK> qiyong: Postfix 2.3 works with milters that do not modify the body of the message.
[12:56] <qiyong> Kamping_Kaiser: still i have to jump to gusty in order to get on to hardy, even i don't actully use gusty
[12:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> qiyong, sure.
[12:57] <qiyong> ScottK: actually, it just simply doesn't work
[12:57] <ScottK> qiyong: Maybe for your milter, but I used dkim-milter with it just fine.
[12:58] <qiyong> ScottK: i tried the one for sendmail
[12:58] <ScottK> qiyong: I've upgraded several servers from Feisty to Gutsy with no significant problem.
[12:58] <qiyong> ScottK: that encourages me
[12:58] <qiyong> so i'd upgrade in the weekend
[12:58] <ScottK> qiyong: Do you use clamav?
[12:59] <qiyong> if something broken, i have time to fix
[12:59] <qiyong> ScottK: yes, i was trying to use clamav via milter
[12:59] <ScottK> Ah.  That was actually a clamav-milter config issue, not a Postfix limitation.
[13:00] <ScottK> It's (I think) fixed in Gutsy.
[13:00] <ScottK> The one small caution I would give you (that's not in the release notes, read those) is Bug #172925
[13:00] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 172925 in postfix "postfix upgrade does not add 'retry' service" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172925
[13:00] <qiyong> ScottK: clamav-milter was broken in feisty, right?
[13:00] <ScottK> For using with Postfix.
[13:03] <ScottK> I believe, but have not tested, it'd work just fine with Sendmail.
[13:05] <qiyong> sure, it's designed for sendmail
[13:05] <qiyong> the bug you show me means every postfix upgrade would be borken?
[13:05] <qiyong> ScottK:
[13:06] <qiyong> oh, a postfix reload is ok?
[13:06] <qiyong> s/oh/or/
[13:06] <ScottK> qiyong: Postfix works just fine, just doesn't have the new retry service.
[13:07] <ScottK> That's why it wasn't noticed during development.
[13:07] <ScottK> But you run the script mentioned in the but and all is well.
[13:07] <qiyong> is the retry in some conf file, like master.cf?
[13:07] <ScottK> Yes.
[13:08] <ScottK> dendrobates and lamont`: We really ought to add Bug #172925 to the Gutsy release notes.
[13:08] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 172925 in postfix "postfix upgrade does not add 'retry' service" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172925
[13:09] <qiyong> ScottK: it wouldn't hurt me, i never touch my master.cf
[13:09] <ScottK> qiyong: No, it wouldn't hurt you.
[13:09] <qiyong> :)
[13:09]  * Nafallo is scared of sendmail
[13:10] <ScottK> qiyong: Additionally, if you did run the upgreade script, it makes the master.cf change for you, so you still don't have to touch it manually.
[13:10]  * Nafallo rather makes postfix deliver mails into a postgresql db ;-)
[13:10]  * ScottK doesn't fear Sendmail, he just thinks his life is complicated enough already without it.
[13:10]  * ScottK goes to the fridge for another cold, dead, wet fish.
[13:10] <Nafallo> I had to deal with it in my last job :-P
[13:12] <ScottK> postgresql or dead fish?
[13:12] <Nafallo> sendmail
[13:12] <Nafallo> and mysql
[13:13] <ScottK> Ah.  Even scarier.
[13:13] <Nafallo> I can't avoid mysql however much I try :-/
[13:13] <Nafallo> at least my current work run exim.
[13:13] <Nafallo> on centos...
[13:14] <Nafallo> with cpanel :-P
[13:15] <ScottK> That sounds, um, limiting.
[13:16] <Nafallo> indeed.
[13:16] <oly-> <-- wonders whats wrong with mysql ?
[13:16] <Nafallo> oh well. gives me money to play with my own toys ;-)
[13:17] <Nafallo> is not as fun and good as postgresql
[13:17] <oly-> how so ?
[13:17] <oly-> just curious, always used mysql just wonder if i should look into postgres
[13:17] <Nafallo> personal preference more then anything.
[13:18] <Nafallo> I used mysql, tried postgresql, and was blown away.
[13:18] <Nafallo> it really fits me much better.
[13:18] <oly-> aha, always liked mysql  cuz its very easy to setup and administer with the mysql-admin and mysql-query-browser
[13:19] <Nafallo> postgresql vs mysql on google gives a pretty list ;-)
[13:19] <oly-> does postgres do clustering and replication type features as well ?
[13:49] <Nafallo> yes
[14:50] <Nafallo> hmm
[14:50] <Nafallo> anyone played with Cobalt RaQ 4 and Ubuntu yet? ;-)
[14:53] <avatar_> Cobalt? is that hardware still around?
[14:53] <Nafallo> yes :-)
[14:54] <Nafallo> picked one up from work ;-)
[14:54] <Nafallo> just need some replacement memory and fans now :-)
[14:54] <Nafallo> and well, replace the OS ;-)
[14:55] <avatar_> succes on that one!
[14:58] <Nafallo> I thought about Strongbolt, but I think I rather run Ubuntu :-)
[15:53] <rodpod> anyone ever had a problem with installing from cd-rom getting stuck, then to check the integrity to be ok, then it still hangs, ive swapped 3 different cd-roms and have tried 2 different disks
[15:55] <sommer> does anyone have a recommendation on a dynamic dns service?
[15:56] <Kamping_Kaiser> sommer, dyndns is fairly common. hasnt fsked up on me to badly yet
[15:56] <sommer> Kamping_Kaiser: thx I was using them, but all of the sudden my account has been dropped
[15:56] <Kamping_Kaiser> !tell rodpod about ask
[15:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> sommer, probably 30 days without IP change
[15:57] <sommer> Kamping_Kaiser: that's what I'm thinking, but I know I logged in the last time they sent the email
[15:57] <sommer> must not have updated correctly... garrr
[15:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> sommer, never dealt with the email - i usually have a blackout at least once every 30 days and get a new IP from that :\
[15:58] <sommer> just wondering if anyone is using another service?
[15:58]  * Kamping_Kaiser needs another UPS or two :(
[15:58] <sommer> Kamping_Kaiser: ah... ya, all I really use is for is ssh access from work to home.
[15:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> sommer, me to, with the occasional link to a file over http (like the idea i put in here a few days ago)
[16:00] <sommer> Kamping_Kaiser: I'm not sure I caught that idea?
[16:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> sommer, well, in short it was to provide a default template for using apache vhosts on ubuntu-server by shipping a /etc/apache2/sites-available/template (or similar). <kgoetz> http://k-k.homelinux.net:81/~kgoetz/apache2-vhost-template.txt is the link, the .txt is so lighhtttpd doesnnt try and server it as binary :\
[16:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> i've been kicking it around in my mind from various angles for the last few days trying to work out how practical it is
[16:03] <sommer> Kamping_Kaiser: ah... I think I remember now.  Doesn't the default config use a vhost?
[16:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> two key issues i noticed were the amount of doco that could need changing, and the requirement to have a DNS server to use it
[16:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> sommer, yes, but its not very easy to wokr out from there how to DIY vhosts
[16:03] <ScottK> sommer: My usual answer is that if you think dydns will help you, you're probably trying to solve the wrong problem.
[16:04] <mralphabet> sommer: there is a 'long term dns' option for dyndns
[16:04] <sommer> ScottK: heh... seems simple enough
[16:04] <mralphabet> sommer: so that it doesn't require being touched every 30 days
[16:04] <sommer> mralphabet: ya... I just haven't ponied up the cash
[16:05] <ScottK> sommer: If you actually need a static presence on the net, then it's virutally always better to open the wallet and get an actual static IP IMO.
[16:05] <mralphabet> sommer: cash? o0 I've never yad to pay for mine
[16:05] <mralphabet> s/yad/had
[16:05] <sommer> mralphabet: really I thought you needed to pay for not having to update?
[16:06] <sommer> ScottK: agreed, but so far my needs have been quite small
[16:06] <mralphabet> sommer: I've never paid
[16:06] <sommer> mralphabet: awesome I'll do more digging on thier siete
[16:06] <sommer> site rather
[16:08] <sommer> mralphabet: are you using a ddns update client?
[16:08] <mralphabet> sommer: I'm looking too, I remember two different kinds of dyndns services, a short term and long term configuration. short term had to be  touched fairly often, long term just sat there
[16:09] <mralphabet> sommer: I am now, a buffalo router using ddwrt, but I wasn't for . . .2 years? or so.  Still never had the issue
[16:10] <sommer> mralphabet: ah... I think I tried configuring my wireless ap to do the update, but I don't think I ever got it working correctly
[16:11] <mralphabet> sommer: this is from an email a few years ago, "This hostname deletion is due to an idle timeout on all Dynamic DNS
[16:11] <mralphabet> hostnames; they are deleted after 35 days without updates.  We are sending
[16:11] <mralphabet> you this notification to avoid confusion about the deletion of your host,
[16:11] <mralphabet> and to let you re-create the host at your earliest convenience.  Hosts with
[16:11] <mralphabet> static IP addresses should be in the Static DNS system, which does not have
[16:11] <mralphabet> a 35 day timeout."
[16:11] <mralphabet> at that point the "static dns system" was a selectable option
[16:11] <sommer> mralphabet: ah... I'm with ya
[16:12] <sommer> I'll probably just create another account
[16:13] <mralphabet> sommer: and looking at the page, I go to Account > My Hosts > Hostname > and configure the name
[16:15] <mralphabet> sommer: https://www.dyndns.com/support/kb/static_dns_end_of_life.html
[16:15] <mralphabet> well, there's my answer
[16:15] <mralphabet> my router apparently is keeping the updates going
[16:16] <sommer> mralphabet: ah... thanks for the link.
[16:16] <Kamping_Kaiser> wish i kept my IP for 30 days at a time :(
[16:16] <sommer> I'll probably take a serious look at purchasing an account
[16:16] <Kamping_Kaiser> i coudl point some/one of my domains home
[16:17]  * mralphabet hasn't had an IP change in months
[16:17]  * mralphabet should power cycle his modem more often
[16:18]  * Kamping_Kaiser wonders why you would reboot a modem
[16:19] <mneisen> Hi, I have trouble getting postfix/SMTP AUTH working wiht mysql. It seems that there is not even a connection attempt to the database. I have postfix/courier/saslauthd running on Ubuntu Gutsy. Anybody here who might want to help?! Thanks in advance!
[16:20] <lamont`> mneisen: does it work if you tell postfix to not chroot the daemon?  (or if you link the socket into the same place under /var/spool/postfix?
[16:20] <mneisen> lamont`: Let me try.
[16:22] <mneisen> lamont`: how would i do that, btw?
[16:23] <lamont`> there's a column in /etc/postfix/master.cf for 'chroot' or such.  save master.cf and change all those to the not-chroot value
[16:23]  * lamont` doesn't remember which way the switch is
[16:23] <lamont`> then restart postfix
[16:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> its the middle column
[16:25] <mneisen> well, thats the way i know how to do it.
[16:26] <mneisen> trouble is: does "-" in a column mean yes or no?
[16:26] <mneisen> since there is no single "y" in this column in my master.cd
[16:26] <mneisen> master.cf
[16:29] <lamont`> # service type  private unpriv  chroot  wakeup  maxproc command + args
[16:29] <lamont`> #               (yes)   (yes)   (yes)   (never) (100)
[16:29] <lamont`> that pair of lines is the meaning, and the default
[16:29] <lamont`> - == yes for chroot
[16:29] <lamont`> so make 'em all 'n' :0)
[16:32] <mneisen> well, changed that to "n" for smtp and smtps - no luck.
[16:44] <mneisen> lamont`: I just found, that a problem I thought was solved is still there:
[16:44] <mneisen> warning: SASL authentication problem: unable to open Berkeley db /etc/sasldb2: Permission denied
[16:45] <mneisen> Can you give me a hint what is wrong?
[16:45] <ScottK> mneisen: That's what you get if sasldb2 isn't in the chroot.
[16:46] <ScottK> Did you restart or reload Postfix?
[16:46] <mneisen> Yes, I did.
[16:46] <mneisen> well, I did a restart.
[16:46] <ScottK> Which?
[16:46] <ScottK> OK
[16:46] <mneisen> :-D
[16:47] <mneisen> ScottK: But i do not want to use sasldb2
[16:47] <mneisen> I have my user data in a mysql db.
[16:47] <leonel> check your  file  /etc/postfix/sasl/smtp.conf
[16:47] <ScottK> OK.  Well it's trying to use saslbd2.
[16:47] <mneisen> or is it that the sasldb2 just have to be there.
[16:47] <mneisen> ?
[16:48] <ScottK> Dunno.  I actually use sasldb2, so I want it there.
[16:48] <ScottK> Does /etc/sasldb2 actually exist on your system?
[16:48] <mneisen> leonel: my smtpd.conf is here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/47236/
[16:48] <mneisen> ScottK: I have an sasldb2 in /etc.
[16:49] <ScottK> mneisen: Then your postfix is almost certainly still looking in the chroot.
[16:50] <mneisen> well, I edited the master.cf and put the "n" in the lines defining smtp and smtps.
[16:50] <leonel> mneisen: remove  saslauthd  from  the pwcheck methos
[16:50] <leonel> mneisen: remove  saslauthd  from  the pwcheck method
[16:50] <mneisen> leonel: Thanks for the tip.
[16:50] <leonel> because you are not using saslauthd  really
[16:51] <mneisen> ok.
[16:51] <mneisen> but still the same.
[16:52] <leonel> restarted postfix ?
[16:52] <mneisen> ScottK: Now i did /etc/init.d/postfix stop && /ect/init.d/postfix start - still the same.
[16:53] <ScottK> OK.  That's odd then.
[16:53] <mneisen> Just what I think ... :-D
[16:54] <mneisen> ScottK: BTW, i have the sasldb2 in /var/spool/postfix/etc, so even *if* postfix were still running chrooted, it should find what it needs.
[16:55] <leonel> sasldb2 is used  when you are not using   libsasl2-modules-sql
[16:55] <ScottK> OK  Then it's another issue
[16:56] <mneisen> ii  libsasl2-modules-sql                  2.1.22.dfsg1-9ubuntu2              Pluggab[...]
[16:56] <mneisen> it is installed.
[16:57] <mneisen> and in smtpd.conf (with auxprop and sql) it should select the right backend.
[16:57] <mneisen> but it does not.
[16:59] <mneisen> it is not even logging anything, afaics. Where should the whole thingy log into: mail.info?
[17:00] <mneisen> well, its logging a bit, but i wanted something more.
[17:00] <leonel> mail.log  and syslog
[17:01] <mneisen> i just get: warning: SASL authentication problem: unable to open Berkeley db /etc/sasldb2: Permission denied
[17:01] <mneisen> whoppsie, that could be it.
[17:01] <mneisen> wrong perms?
[17:02] <leonel> I don't have /etc/sasldb2  ..
[17:02] <mneisen> well, I would rather not, either.
[17:03] <mneisen> But i have to go by the errors i get, sadly. :-D
[17:04] <mneisen> ok, now i have postfix configured to authenticate against /etc/sasldb2
[17:04] <mneisen> great!
[17:04] <mneisen> but not what i want.
[17:05] <ScottK> It's a start
[17:06] <ivoks> hi
[17:06] <mneisen> ScottK: :-
[17:06] <mneisen> :-D
[17:06] <mneisen> well, how do i change the auth backend if not by /etc/postfix/sasl/smtpd.conf
[17:06] <mneisen> ?
[17:07] <leonel> there is where youcontrol that
[17:07] <mneisen> so i thought.
[17:07] <ivoks> with postconf :)
[17:07] <mneisen> but it does not seem to work.
[17:07] <mneisen> ivoks: :-D
[17:07] <ivoks> *everythin* else is optional
[17:07] <ivoks> postconf is the only tool
[17:07] <ivoks> begining and the end of the whole mankind
[17:08] <mneisen> ivoks: well, then shoot.
[17:08] <ivoks> what?
[17:08] <ScottK> mneisen: You might have a look at http://www.postfix-book.com/download/smtpauth_mysql_database.sql.gz
[17:08] <mneisen> what is the right 'postconf -e' line to change SMTP AUTH backend to use mysql?
[17:08] <mneisen> ScottK: thanks for the link.
[17:08] <ivoks> mneisen: none
[17:08] <ivoks> for AUTH you can use sasl or dovecot
[17:09] <ivoks> and then sasl or dovecot uses mysql/ldap/whatever
[17:09] <mneisen> yeah, right. But it does not in my case, unfortunately.
[17:09] <mneisen> it uses sasl, all right.
[17:09] <mneisen> but sadly with the BDB sasldb2 backend.
[17:09] <ivoks> then set up sasl
[17:10] <ivoks> dovecot does have an example in dovecot.conf for mysql auth
[17:10] <mneisen> ivoks: that's what I try to do.
[17:10] <mneisen> ivoks: thanks for the hint. do you have an URL?
[17:10] <ivoks> you mean bank account number? :)
[17:11] <ivoks> i don't have an url, there are examples in dovecot.conf, provided by dovecot-common package
[17:11] <mneisen> ok.
[17:56] <ivoks> bye
[19:35] <lonecrow> heya.. having a noob issue.  I'm sure most of you have seen this before :)
[19:46] <sommer> lonecrow: I've seen it.
[19:47] <sommer> You're going to need a net some duct tape and a pound of chewing gum!
[19:51] <sommer> just kidding...
[19:55] <mralphabet> sommer == mcgyver?
[19:58] <sommer> mralphabet: he's actually my uncle.  Uncle Mac I call him.
[20:01] <mralphabet> . . .
[20:01] <sommer> you're right that's not true, you caught me... heh
[20:04]  * sommer wonders what lonecrow's question is
[20:05] <mralphabet> heh
[20:31] <lonecrow> sorry lol
[20:32] <lonecrow> I had to go afk stopped what I was typing mid way
[20:32] <lonecrow> I installed ubuntu with lamp and postresql..
[20:33] <lonecrow> it boots up and gives me an error with apache2 saying I don't have a fqdn. I remember fixing this in the past by adding somerthing to /etc/hosts but I dont know what. Its just a pc wth dhcp turned on for right now
[20:34] <lonecrow> my hosts has 127.0.0.1 localhost which is right but then 127.0.1.1 mycomputername
[20:34] <lonecrow> in the apache2.conf I dont see anything that says "servername=" anywhere should I add it?
[20:46] <lonecrow> please help.. shouldn't this type of thing work after the install?
[20:47] <mralphabet> I don't have a servername directive in my conf and it works
[20:48] <lonecrow> I've done this install like so many different ways.  I've installed bare bones and then apt-get install apache2 and it still gives same error.
[20:48] <stickystyle> lonecrow: are you talking about the "Could not determine the server's fully qualified domain" message that you get where restarting/reloading apache2
[20:48] <stickystyle> ?
[20:49] <lonecrow> yes
[20:49] <lonecrow> I've fixed this before in a the past I just forget where...
[20:50] <lonecrow> I've looked it up and can't find any fix for it, nor does it say in the ubuntu website page for apache2
[20:51] <stickystyle> its really not much of an error, just kind of a 'by the way'.  It's normally cleared up with ServerName in your apache2.conf file.  you may want to check the output of $hostname --fqdn
[20:52] <stickystyle> ServerName www.example.com
[20:52] <stickystyle> no '=' sign.
[20:54] <stickystyle> I'm betting that hostnanme  --fqdn does not spit out a true fqdn.  since apache first looks for ServerName, then trys to determine the fqdn itself.
[20:54] <stickystyle> and if it cannot it lets you know.
[20:55] <stickystyle> http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/mod/core.html#servername
[20:57] <lonecrow> Oh no = sign ok thanks
[20:57] <lonecrow> yeah there is no www  just the name of the computer for now
[20:59] <lonecrow> ok that worked.. :)  thanks.. now I'm getting install:cannot change owner and or group of /var/lock/apache2
[20:59] <lonecrow> then permission denied make_sock couldn't bind to 80 etc.. which is probbly due to the first error.
[21:00] <lonecrow> this is a standard lamp install of gutsy .. wtf set the root username and password its all good..
[21:01] <stickystyle> Did you try restarting it without using sudo?  e.g. $sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 start  that is the kind of error you get when you try to start/restart as a normal user.
[21:03] <lonecrow> no I used sudo
[21:03] <lonecrow> or not
[21:03] <lonecrow> doh
[21:03] <lonecrow> me so smart
[21:04] <lonecrow> thanks guys :)
[21:04] <stickystyle> :-D  It happens, don't worry.
[21:10] <Goosemoose> coffeedude, you around?
[21:19] <Gargoyle> Hello
[21:19] <mralphabet> hello