[00:00] <evil_tech> maybe gparted didnt finish writing the filesystem?
[00:00] <thyrax> maybe I think i did get an error
[00:00] <thyrax> e2fsck -f is this a fdisk command?
[00:00] <evil_tech> no
[00:01] <evil_tech> not that i am aware of
[00:01] <thyrax> or this: resize2fs -p
[00:01] <thyrax> anyidea what app that is?
[00:01] <crimsun> those are separate apps
[00:02] <thyrax> I wish there was an mdadm gui to stream line this stuff. now I'm just trying to learn the different commands so I know what I'm doing :)
[00:02] <crimsun> e2fsck and resize2fs are appropriately named
[00:02] <evil_tech> the first is to check a file system
[00:02] <thyrax> file system check? filesystem resize?
[00:02] <Surfing-Geek> anyone running dapper on a mac G3?
[00:03] <evil_tech> if you want to use fdisk on a drive then its sudo fdisk /dev/hd* where * is the letter of the drive
[00:03] <thyrax> and that formats the entire drive?
[00:04] <evil_tech> no
[00:04] <evil_tech> well it can
[00:04] <evil_tech> its not a command its a program
[00:04] <thyrax> oh I think I understand
[00:05] <evil_tech> so if i wanted to partition the secondary master i would do fdisk /dev/hdc
[00:06] <evil_tech> then it will spit out some info on the number of cylinders on the disk and then display Command 9m for help):
[00:06] <thyrax> yes would that automatically format the drive? how do I set partition size, number etc
[00:07] <evil_tech> no its not automatic
[00:07] <evil_tech> and it doesnt format
[00:07] <evil_tech> just partitions
[00:07] <thyrax> ok that would tell fdisk to work with that drive?
[00:07] <evil_tech> you format afterwards
[00:07] <evil_tech> yeah
[00:07] <thyrax> ok thanks for being so patient :)
[00:07] <evil_tech> np
[00:10] <_slvmchn_> is there a default partitioning tool in xubuntu
[00:11] <evil_tech> lol lots of partitioning questions today
[00:11] <evil_tech> yes and no
[00:11] <evil_tech> there isnt a graphical one by default
[00:12] <evil_tech> sudo apt-get install gparted will get you one
[00:12] <evil_tech> or you can use the program fdisk from a terminal
[00:12] <zoredache> cfdisk from the terminal is a little nicer, and also installed by default
[00:13] <evil_tech> forgot about that one
[00:13] <thyrax> I think I successfully formated a drive with ext3 it has a lost+found folder in it. Is it like a recycle bin folder? can I delete it? just curious
[00:14] <zoredache> don't delete it...  fsck will put files there if they are found to be corrupt
[00:14] <evil_tech> ^ditto
[00:15] <thyrax> ok ty
[00:31] <evil_tech> yay this hard drive is dieing
[00:32] <thyrax> congratulations!
[00:32] <thyrax> is it a maxtor by anychance?
[00:32] <evil_tech> now i gotta dig through my stack of drive to find another 10gig 7200 rpm drive
[00:33] <thyrax> stack hu?
[00:33] <evil_tech> yeah i work in a PC recycling place
[00:33] <thyrax> wow dream job
[00:34] <thyrax> what part of the world are you in?
[00:34] <thyrax> and is that a maxtor drive that is dieing on you by any chance?
[00:34] <evil_tech> washington
[00:35] <evil_tech> of course its a maxtor
[00:35] <evil_tech> ive not been very nice too it
[00:36] <thyrax> lol
[00:37] <thyrax> you can always count on maxtors to die on you
[00:37] <evil_tech> i have 4 operating systems on it, its constantly being formatted, zeroed and used
[00:37] <thyrax> I am yet to have a failed wd
[00:37] <thyrax> still...
[00:37] <evil_tech> ive had bunch of failed western digis
[00:38] <evil_tech> and maxtors and seagate and deathstars
[00:38] <thyrax> I have a western digital I dropped about 5feet on to a concrete surface still ticking :)
[00:38] <thyrax> i have had about 12 maxtors only have 4 left
[00:39] <thyrax> oldest was 3years
[00:39] <evil_tech> ooo i found two identical 10gb 7200rpm drives
[00:39] <thyrax> what do you do with the recycled computers?
[00:39] <evil_tech> i see a mirrored array in my future
[00:39] <evil_tech> if they work then we fix em up reload OS and sel
[00:39] <evil_tech> sell*
[00:39] <thyrax> where do u get them from?
[00:40] <evil_tech> otherwise we take out the good parts and the rest gets broken down
[00:40] <thyrax> do youhave a wevsite?
[00:40] <evil_tech> people
[00:40] <thyrax> website*
[00:40] <evil_tech> www.pcrecycle.net
[00:40] <thyrax> cpu full tower is a working computer?
[00:41] <evil_tech> ?
[00:42] <thyrax> http://www.pcrecycle.net/prices.html
[00:43] <evil_tech> thats the cost to recycle the computer
[00:43] <evil_tech> thats not what we sell them for
[00:44] <thyrax> oh makes better sense that way
[00:44] <thyrax> can I buy some hard drives from you guys?
[00:44] <thyrax> I am always looking for smaller drives to be the os drive
[00:44] <evil_tech> if you are in the WA area
[00:45] <thyrax> I can't pay to have it shipped?
[00:45] <evil_tech> think we have an ebay page
[00:45] <thyrax> I'm in alabama currently
[00:45] <evil_tech> yeah you could do that too
[00:45] <thyrax> ok ill send you private chat since we're off topic
[00:46] <evil_tech> surprised TheSheep hasnt attacked us with ubotu yet
[00:46] <thyrax> lol
[00:47] <thyrax> it says private messages from unregistered users are blocked :(
[00:47] <evil_tech> are you unregistered?
[00:47] <evil_tech> !register
[00:47] <ubotu> By default, only registered users can send private messages - Information about  registering your Freenode nick can be found at http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#userregistration
[00:48] <evil_tech> oops should have piped that to you
[00:51] <thyrax> cool that was easier then it was when i tried a log time ago on a different server
[00:51] <thyrax> long*
[00:52] <thyrax> than*
[00:53] <evil_tech> yeah i think they are trying to encourage more people to do ti
[01:18] <xvoltagexx> evening
[01:23] <thyrax> evening
[01:23] <thyrax> how dow do I check if CONFIG_MD_RAID5_RESHAPE=y
[01:25] <evil_tech> whats that supposed to do?
[01:25] <thyrax> allow me to grow a raid 5 array
[01:26] <thyrax> I havn't reached that stage yet but just want to make sure It's set when I do.
[01:26] <evil_tech> hmm
[01:27] <zoredache> where does that config go?
[01:27] <evil_tech> suppose you could try adding a drive and then do df -h
[01:27] <zoredache> is that a kernel thing?
[01:27] <zoredache> of so then look at /boot/conf-`uname`
[01:28] <thyrax> yes it is kernel
[01:29] <zoredache> so yeah, the config file for the running kernel is in /boot/config-blahblah
[01:29] <crimsun> meaning /boot/config-$(uname -r)
[01:29] <thyrax> now I have another problem when I used gparted it mounted the disk to the desktop and I want to unmount it before I set up the raid array do I have to do this? will it unmount itself?
[01:29] <thyrax> ok ill check thanks guys
[01:30] <thyrax> cool it is set to y in 7.10 :)
[01:31] <thyrax> #unmount /media/disk or #unmount dev/sdc1 isn't the way to go is it?
[01:31] <crimsun> umount, not unmount
[01:32] <thyrax> lol ok I'm such a freakin noob
[01:32] <evil_tech> must not be too much of one if you can set up a RAID array
[01:32] <zoredache> you should be able to unmount based on either the device name or the mount point
[01:33] <thyrax> ok I tried both it says not mounted in mtab
[01:34] <thyrax> evil tech thanks to copy and paste :)
[01:35] <thyrax> really odd since gparted tells me it is and I can see the disk on my desktop
[01:35] <thyrax> I'm gonna try and stick it in a array anyway and see what happens :)
[01:37] <evil_tech> you could always type mount by itself and see if the drive shows up there
[01:41] <thyrax> maybe its just not a permanent mount. is that why it could not be showing up in mtab?
[01:42] <evil_tech> dunno
[02:12] <ronnies07> How does one get an intel 845 to direct render under Xfce?
[02:13] <ronnies07> Worked under unbuntu (gnome)
[02:34] <magic_ninja> when i try to mount floppy its not a block device
[03:11] <inazad> hi there
[03:11] <inazad> someone can help me ?
[05:48] <Wyrmul> I am trying to set up a dual boot following the documentation https://help.ubuntu.com/community/How_to_dual-boot_Ubuntu_and_XP_after_installing_them_separately_on_two_HDs?highlight=%28boot%29%7C%28dual%29 and I am running into a bit of confusion
[05:50] <Wyrmul> When I run sudo fdisk -l the disks I get are /dev/hda[1-3], /dev/hdc1/ and /dev/hdd1.  I thing /dev/hdc1 is to drive I want
[05:50] <Wyrmul> it has the win-xp partition on it
[05:51] <Wyrmul> What should I be adding as my root and map arguments?
[05:57] <user123> Hi Wyrmul, did anybody help you?
[05:58] <user123> I seem to have that effect on people...
[05:58] <user123> .. Anyway, is there anyone here that has time for a question?
[06:15] <Ben_Cs> helli
[06:15] <Ben_Cs> hello
[06:17] <Ben_Cs> has anyone experienced 100% cpu load with firefox?
[06:18] <user123> ... unfortunately, yes.
[06:21] <Ben_Cs> why can't firefox handle flash properly?
[06:21] <user123> Hi, Ben_CS, I'm no expert; just a newbie waiting for help... But I had that problem with firefox too (although under Windows)
[06:22] <Ben_Cs> i see
[06:22] <user123> I recommend using flashblock, so that you can choose when a flash movie is going to play; it worked wonders for me... Sort o...
[06:22] <user123> *of
[06:22] <user123> (flashblock is Fx plugin)
[06:25] <Ben_Cs> but on many ocasions i do need flash, and how would i know if in a specific site i need it?
[06:26] <Ben_Cs> well. i'll try it :)
[06:26] <Ben_Cs> thanks
[06:27] <Ben_Cs> hope firefox team would handle it
[06:28] <user123> I think they have work some of the isussues out on the firefox portable version, if I rememebr correctly.
[06:28] <user123> Fx 3 is about to come out, so let's just hope...
[06:29] <Ben_Cs> i tried firefox3, it's better but still cpu load is very high
[06:30] <user123> Beta? If the end result would be that, it would be a shame to hear.
[06:30] <user123> Personally, the CPU issue is the only downside with fx.
[06:30] <user123> *I think
[06:36] <thyrax> I have successfully created a raid 1 array I mounted it in /mnt/ but I can't copy anything to it. It says you do not have permission to write to this folder
[06:36] <thyrax> can anyone tell me why I don't have permission to write to this folder /mnt/md0
[06:41] <thyrax> I think I need to be root?
[06:41] <thyrax> maybe I should have mounted it in a different folder then :)
[06:50] <thyrax> opened up nautalis in root solved the problem
[06:50] <thyrax> good night guys
[09:12]  * auskadi thinks gutsy gibbon is crap, nothing works proprly with it each day anew problem
[10:52] <psych> hi
[11:09] <mamat_> hi, i keep on losing my xfce applets from one session to the next every once in a while... seems like it might be linked to the fact that battery (which is applet-monitored) is sometimes plugged in... but not sure...
[11:10] <predaeus> mamat_, if it concerns only the volume/loudness applet then it is a bug. There is a workaround for that one, but it does not work for everyone.
[11:13] <mamat_> hmm... oki... seems like bugs to me too ;)
[12:03] <maristo> Hello, I have problem with burning CD's
[12:03] <maristo> Gnomebaker, Brasero and Xfburn speaks "disk Id is too long"
[12:03] <maristo> ID*
[12:03] <maristo> what's whis?
[12:57] <rijo> Im running Compiz-Fusion in my Xubunu. But sometimes I want to switch it off to normal window manager. Is there a easy oneclick, or command to switch off compiz? Any ideas?
[13:04] <xvoltagexx> Hello all
[13:06] <pubo> hi all
[13:09] <pubo> I need a little of help :S. I have an external USB HD, and I don't know why, but When I connect it, I have to do a mount -a to get mounted. I've include it on fstab with "auto" option, but nothing... Even after I reboot, the HD partitions aren't mounted..
[13:09] <pubo> anybody knows possible reasons? I've installed xubuntu, and udev,fuse,hal, are installed
[13:09] <xvoltagexx> humm. mine is formated NTFS but it comes up on my desktop
[13:10] <pubo> xvoltagexx, mine are NTFS too
[13:11] <xvoltagexx> what does the systems/disks tool say when you power your drive up?
[13:11] <pubo> I had the same HD connected in a Debian computer, and worked perfectly
[13:12] <pubo> systems/disks? I don't have that option :S. Where is it?
[13:13] <xvoltagexx> my disks-admin shows it as dev/sda
[13:13] <pubo> oh, mine is /dev/sdcX... 5,6,7
[13:14] <xvoltagexx> how many usb devices you got?
[13:16] <pubo> uhm.. now only 3, Wifi, Mouse, HD (with power supply), in a desktop computer that has 8 connectors
[13:19] <xvoltagexx> USB devices can be a pain because whatever you hook up first the first time isn't always treated as the same device.
[13:19] <xvoltagexx> like an external drive can be a different device every time you add/remove any other usb device it is given a different path
[13:26] <pubo> xvoltagexx, then? what should I do?
[13:27] <pubo> I only want that, when I reboot the computer, the HD mounts itself
[13:37] <zeroflag> hey. I have a LVM raid0 set up on 2 of my raptor HDDs. I just did some benchmarks (hdparm -t) which concluded that each drive has a read speed of ~65-70MB/s. however, when I do the benchmark on the combined raid0, I get the same speeds as on the single drives. any ideas what might be causing the 100% slowdown?
[13:47] <aladdinsane> is there a file i can edit to change the color/background color of the panes in xubuntu? (panes on the desktop)
[13:52] <magic_ninja> anyone around this morning
[13:56] <ere4si> nope :)
[14:18] <auskadi> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/47221/ can someone have a look at  that and help me pls
[14:21] <manchicken> Is there any way to get thunar to ask you--like Nautilus does--if you're clicking on a text file with execute permissions whether you want to edit or execute?
[14:40] <Twinkletoes> My running kernel (in VMware) is -GENERIC.  There is also a -386 option... si that the one I should go for?
[14:49] <ere4si> generic
[14:58] <pubo> One more try... :)
[15:00] <pubo> I have an USB external HD with NTFS and ext3 pastitions. Do you know if it's normal that when I reboot, xubuntu unly mounts ext3 partitions, but not NTFS
[15:00] <pubo> What should I configure to make  xubuntu mount every partition each time the computer reboots?
[15:00] <totalmergeage> read up on /etc/fstab
[15:01] <pubo> totalmergeage, but ext3 partitions doesn't exist in fstab and xubuntu mounts them
[15:02] <totalmergeage> oh wait, i didn't read the previous sentence :]
[15:03] <totalmergeage> external thingies are mounted through hal
[15:03] <totalmergeage> wouldn't know if that also recognises ntfs partitions
[15:04] <totalmergeage> but you can add your external hdd to /etc/fstab, and i'm sure there is also a way to mount the ntfs partition via /etc/fstab
[15:04] <totalmergeage> not sure how
[15:05] <pubo> totalmergeage, in debian I only had to configure fstab like (for example): /dev/sda2 /media/Disk1 ntfs-3g defaults,auto,uid=1000 0 1
[15:06] <pubo> But here doesn't work, don't know why
[15:07] <pubo> I think could be fuse, becouse when I unplug and plug the HD, it mounts like "fuseblk" filesistem :S
[15:08] <pubo> They want to make Linux more confortable to the final user, but they're complicating everything so much!! :D
[15:08] <pubo> for the final user
[15:10] <pubo> I'm going to reboot
[15:10] <pubo> bye
[15:22] <ere4si> !dualboot
[15:22] <ubotu> Dual boot instructions: x86/AMD64: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsDualBootHowTo - MACs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MacBookPro https://wiki.ubuntu.com/YabootConfigurationForMacintoshPowerPCsDualBoot
[16:31] <pubo> re-Hi
[16:32] <pubo> anybody has an USB NTFS HD?
[16:33] <pubo> Don't know why, but after I reboot my system with xubuntu, doesn't mount USB NTFS partitions (ext3 yes)
[16:33] <pubo> Is it normal?
[16:33] <pubo> How can I configure it?
[16:40] <ste777> Can anybody help with my xubuntu install please?
[16:40] <vinze> ste777, what's the problem?
[16:41] <ste777> i havent done it before. Im using the alternate CD, and im at the partition stage. Im not sure what to do exactly
[16:41] <ste777> I have an unused partition that i want to install ubuntu to, but im not sure how i should configure it
[16:42] <vinze> ste777, hm, I haven't used the alternate CD for a long time, but there's plenty of guides online
[16:42] <ste777> alright, thanks
[17:39] <The-Kernel> What is a good mozilla plugin for video?
[17:40] <The-Kernel> .mov and .mpeg
[17:40] <zoredache> vlc?
[17:53] <tuga3d> hi all!
[17:53] <tuga3d> does anybody knows how i install google sketchup in xubuntu?
[17:54] <Blinkiz> I can't install all the way from a CD because xubuntu doesn't recoqnize my cd-drive (I do can boot the basic linux system from cdrom). The solution for me is to boot from the mini.iso image and install xubuntu from the net. When I run the mini.iso in my computer, it installs the basic ubuntu. How do I get it to install xubuntu from the net?
[17:54] <proteus> hi everyone, this is probably a dumb question but I can't figure out how to organize the Applications menu as I'd like.
[17:55] <proteus> how do I add/remove apps from it
[17:55] <proteus> ?
[17:55] <tuga3d> proteus, menueditor?
[17:57] <proteus> oh, of course
[17:57] <proteus> thanks
[17:57] <tuga3d> np :)
[17:58] <tuga3d> has anyone instaled google sketchup in xubuntu?
[17:58] <proteus> why is it mainly showing --separator-- and not the programs and whatnot
[17:58] <proteus> ?
[17:59] <tuga3d> proteus, i've never mess with that. going to have a look...
[18:02] <user123> Hi!, someone got time for a couple of questions?
[18:02] <zoredache> Blinkiz: do an 'sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop'
[18:02] <tuga3d> proteus, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=193093
[18:02] <Blinkiz> zoredache: After I have installed from the mini.iso?
[18:03] <zoredache> Blinkiz: yes
[18:03] <Blinkiz> zoredache: Should I install with the boot tag "server" with mini.iso?
[18:04] <zoredache> you could, you would have a system with less of the gnome stuff
[18:05] <user123> I'm going to format one of my partitions on 10Gb (that currently runs windows) and create another partition for Xubuntu, and I was wondering how much space I should allocate for Xubuntu?
[18:05] <user123> I know Xubuntu needs a minimum of 1,5 GB, but what would a good buffer be? As comparison windows needs 1,3 GB (after a whole lot of uppgrades) and with programs, cache, virtual ram, etc it goes around 6GB.
[18:05] <user123> I have read on some forums that Xubuntu works on 4GB. Ubuntu needs in comparison 10GB to work well.
[18:05] <user123> I know there are many factors at play here, but I'm after some remmendations. For example, for win2k, a partion between 8-10 is quite sufficent.
[18:05] <user123> (Sorry for the copy and paste)
[18:06] <thyrax> hi hi
[18:07] <Blinkiz> zoredache: Thanks for the help. My goal is to install a computer as a server but whit a gui. A lightweight gui. Xfce fits my needs.
[18:07] <thyrax> How hard is it to stream music and video to the ps3 and xbox360 using ubuntu?
[18:07] <proteus> tuga3d, thanks dude but what a pain in the ass. :-(
[18:07] <thyrax> blinkiz I wanted to do the same thing have you gotten samba configured?
[18:08] <tuga3d> proteus, yep, i'm still searching for a better solution. i thought that the menu editor worked diferent :(
[18:08] <Blinkiz> Haven't installed yet, but yes. Am having another ubuntu 7.10 server running samba, nfs and rtorrent/libtorrent
[18:09] <proteus> Here's a more serious problem that I'm having. I've got what used to be a directory going completely nuts. Here's what shows up with ls -al :"?---------  ? ?       ?                ?                ? fileserv"
[18:09] <thyrax> is it xubuntu? I didn't have much luck when I tried installing it un an xubuntu install
[18:10] <proteus> I can't delete it, I cant put stuff in it
[18:10] <proteus> and programs that expect to be there won't start
[18:11] <proteus> I mean, when does ls -al just say 'wtf is this?'
[18:12] <Blinkiz> zoredache: The boot command (in mini.iso) "server" doesn't work. Do you know how I can install a minimal installation from the net so I can run 'sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop' after?
[18:12] <zoredache> you might want to reboot your system to rescue mode and do an fsck on the partition
[18:12] <proteus> that's an idea
[18:13] <user123> Anyone? partition is a pain in th ass, I would like to get it right the first try...
[18:13] <zoredache> it sounds like you have some serious fs problems
[18:13] <proteus> but only on that directory, which was just where I mounted smb shares. it was empty
[18:14] <zoredache> Blinkiz: I have never used a the mini.iso for *buntu...  But I would guess there is some what to get the installer into expert mode and then you can choose to install no task...  you should get a cli system when you are done
[18:15] <proteus> I'll try fsking it
[18:15] <thyrax> I used the mini.iso there was an excellent tutorial I used I have been trying to find it but no luck
[18:15] <thyrax> I'll try some more
[18:17] <thyrax> hmm it requires that you just use the command server as you have tried that's what I did.
[18:17] <thyrax> http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/minimal
[18:17] <thyrax> did you get the minimal cd from here---> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD
[18:20] <thyrax> zoredache I was successful setting up a raid 1 array do you know what would cause it to want to resync at boot up? did I shut it down improperly?
[18:21] <Blinkiz> thyrax: I got the installation tips and mini.iso from the url you specified. The guide says I should type "server" at the boot prompt. This step doesnt work for me. Hmmm
[18:22] <zoredache> it would resync if wasn't shutdown properly... it also does a rsync when it is first setup, and the first time can take many hours
[18:22] <zoredache> my first sync on a pair of 500GB drives took almost a day on the old computer I was running
[18:23] <thyrax> ok that's what I thought. since It was just a test I didn't bother shutting down properly I guess it was still writing to it
[18:23] <thyrax> blinkiz it might have something to do with the 7.10 iso?
[18:23] <thyrax> Mine took about 3 hours approx
[18:23] <thyrax> but the drives were empty
[18:26] <zoredache> Blinkiz: use 'cli'
[18:26] <Blinkiz> thyrax: Because "server" doesn't work as a command, am writing "cli" as zoredache suggested. Should install a minimal system. After that, I can run my apt-get commands and get what I want :-)
[18:27] <thyrax> cool is it working? If it works out for you well I might give it a try :)
[18:27] <Blinkiz> Yeah. What 10 minutes and I can tell you how it did go
[18:28] <thyrax> cool If I'm not active in the channel just send me a pm
[18:29] <thyrax> My goal is to have a raid 5 server running samba/upnp for media streaming
[18:30] <thyrax> zoredache any idea why the video signal would be dropped in ubuntu 7.10 right as grub is loading and then as I am shutting down?
[18:32] <thyrax> does grub load a different resolution or do some sort of scan. the screen says: starting_ then please wait. and immediately quickly fades to now signal
[18:32] <thyrax> no* signal
[18:32] <thyrax> been searching the web havn't found a resolution yet
[18:33] <zoredache> no, I don't know anything about that
[18:34] <thyrax> ok I think I might have asked you already wasn't sure if it was you or evil_tech
[18:35] <thyrax> probably both :D
[18:35] <zoredache> you did ask before yes
[18:37] <thyrax> Ok I have another question. if I decide to do a clean install how do I go about recovering my raid array. also If I want to start from scratch whats the best way to format and remake a raid array would that even be required?
[18:44] <Blinkiz> Having a problem. When I should install *ubuntu from CD, I can't get longer than the partition step. I get this error: "Device /dev/sdb has a logical sector size of 2048. Not all part of GNU Parted support this at the moment, and the working code is HIGHLY EXPERIMENT" I have one hard drive at IDE primary and one CD-ROM drive at IDE secondary.
[18:44] <Blinkiz> My cdrom doesnt work completely. Hmm
[18:46] <arttu> is installing xubuntu off of an usb stick possible/difficult? i don't have any blank cd's on me at the moment...
[18:47] <zoredache> arttu: I am sure it is possible, but it is probably also difficult
[18:48] <Blinkiz> I solved my above problem by unplugging the power to the cdrom after I had booted the mini.iso file
[18:48] <Blinkiz> :)
[18:48] <Blinkiz> arttu: Recommend you to PXE boot if possible. It's easy
[18:49] <Blinkiz> arttu: Check out https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation
[18:51] <TuxCrafter> hello everybody
[18:51] <TuxCrafter> i need some help
[18:51] <Blinkiz> TuxCrafter: Welcome to haven :)
[18:51] <Blinkiz> heaven I mean
[18:52] <thyrax> I wouldn't call it that but what do you need?
[18:52] <TuxCrafter> I have this problem https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/173943
[18:52] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 173943 in inkscape "gutsy - inkscape - horizontal aligned font characters are not rendered correctly, they are put on each other instead of next to each other" [Undecided,New]
[18:52] <TuxCrafter> I would really like to have some xubuntu users install inkscape
[18:52] <TuxCrafter> and test if it works on there system
[18:52] <TuxCrafter> sudo aptitude inkscape
[18:53] <TuxCrafter> would some xubuntu users volunteer to help ?
[18:53] <TheSheep> TuxCrafter: I can assure you that it works, although your command won't install anything
[18:54] <TuxCrafter> sudo aptitude install inkscap[e
[18:54] <Blinkiz> thyrax: Jepp, the "cli" install did work. Gave me a minimal system where I can use the tool apt-get.
[18:54] <TuxCrafter> sudo aptitude install inkscape
[18:54] <TuxCrafter> hehe
[18:54] <Blinkiz> So now I can choose whatever I want to install :)
[18:54] <thyrax> cool what sort of goodies do you plan to install?
[18:54] <thyrax> xubuntu desktop?
[18:55] <TuxCrafter> TheSheep: what exactly can you assure that works?
[18:55] <TheSheep> TuxCrafter: also, using aptitude will make it impossible to track packages with synaptic
[18:55] <Blinkiz> Xfce, samba, nfs and a torrent client..
[18:55] <thyrax> blinkiz: samba and mdadm would be what I'll need to get started.
[18:55] <TheSheep> TuxCrafter: I use inkscape to work for living, and I use almost all of its features
[18:56] <thyrax> I didn't have a good experience with the torrent client I had selected. do you have one you have found to be good?
[18:56] <TuxCrafter> TheSheep: what do you mean exactly can you provide me with some background information
[18:56] <Blinkiz> I have used libtorrent/rtorrent when I didn't have a gui. But I can't get that one to be stable. When I download at 9-10 MB/sec, my computer hangs some times.
[18:57] <thyrax> I am stuck using windows for torrenting and plan to just copy it over to my linux server every time I reach a couple hundred gigs
[18:57] <thyrax> yeah nothing felt stable for me either :(
[18:58] <TuxCrafter> TheSheep: I cant get my inkscape text working and i have no idea what is responsible for the malfunctions, i would really appreciate some help finding a good solution
[18:58] <TheSheep> TuxCrafter: background information: Inkscape works for me correctly I never had anything similar to your bug
[18:58] <Blinkiz> thyrax: Am going to try Deluge
[18:58] <TheSheep> TuxCrafter: di you compile something yourself?
[18:58] <TheSheep> TuxCrafter: anything involving pango, for example?
[18:59] <zoredache> TheSheep: I believe he may have been asking about why aptitude breaks synaptic but I could be wrong
[18:59] <TuxCrafter> idd
[19:00] <TheSheep> TuxCrafter: aah, well both aptitute and apt-get/synaptic keep track of which packages were installed as dependencies and which were installed at user's request
[19:00] <TheSheep> TuxCrafter: they use that information for the 'autoremove' command, for example
[19:00] <Blinkiz> I haven't decided if I should install the complete xubuntu desktop or only Xfce. Am having 512 MB RAM and a P3 800 Mhz...
[19:00] <TheSheep> TuxCrafter: the problem is, aptitude stores it in a separate database, not accessible for apt-get and or synaptics
[19:01] <TuxCrafter> TheSheep: and aptitude does not keep track of which packages were installed as depencies
[19:01] <TuxCrafter> ?
[19:01] <TuxCrafter> ah ok
[19:01] <TheSheep> TuxCrafter: it does, but in a separate database
[19:01] <TuxCrafter> TheSheep: ok
[19:01] <thyrax> I was told about deluge but all the documentation seemed vague. wasn't app-gettable
[19:01] <TheSheep> thyrax: I use Transmission, it's a gui app
[19:01] <TuxCrafter> I went over to aptitude on the advice of some articles i found on the internet
[19:02] <TheSheep> thyrax: before tha tI used rtorrent
[19:02] <Blinkiz> thyrax: Seems like Deluge has the biggest community among the linux torrent clients
[19:02] <TheSheep> TuxCrafter: it's ok as long as you only use one of them
[19:02] <thyrax> Thesheep: is it light and fast? easy to configure? handle multiple torents?
[19:02] <TheSheep> TuxCrafter: but as most users probably use apt-get or synaptics, it's best to stick to that when giving advices
[19:02] <TuxCrafter> TheSheep: sometimes i use synaptic sometimes apt-get and sometimes aptitude :-p
[19:03] <TheSheep> thyrax: not sure about light/fast, requires no configuration and handles multiple torrents
[19:03] <thyrax> blinkiz: I think I'll look into it again. coming from windows I couldn't find an easy way to install it.
[19:03] <thyrax> thesheep: is it stable?
[19:03] <TheSheep> !info transmission
[19:03] <ubotu> transmission: free, lightweight BitTorrent client. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.72.dfsg-1 (gutsy), package size 7 kB, installed size 56 kB
[19:04] <Blinkiz> thyrax: You can install it from svn and always get the latest. Deluge has a guide for ubuntu in the FAQ.
[19:04] <thyrax> I'll look into it then :)
[19:04] <TheSheep> thyrax: looks like < 1.0
[19:04] <Blinkiz> 56kb for a torrent client! Jissess
[19:04] <Blinkiz> looks to light for me! :D
[19:04] <TheSheep> Blinkiz: it has icons and graphics in the package
[19:04] <thyrax> Thesheep: yeah would that be a problem?
[19:04] <TuxCrafter> TheSheep: but back on my real problem with inkscape, i have not compiled anything myself, i also have disabled pango
[19:04] <TheSheep> thyrax: no idea
[19:04] <TuxCrafter> i have no idea how to debug and fix the problem
[19:05] <TheSheep> TuxCrafter: you mean you tried both with pango enabled and disabled?
[19:05] <thyrax> blinkiz: I'll look into it. once I get my install and raid 5 sorted out
[19:05] <Blinkiz> So why raid 5 and not raid 0?
[19:06] <thyrax> It's for a file server
[19:06] <Blinkiz> I mean raid 1.
[19:06] <thyrax> and raid 0 offers no redudancy
[19:07] <thyrax> raid 1 would mean 50% total drive capacity. while raid 5 is (n-1)x single disk capacity.
[19:07] <thyrax> where n is the total number of drives
[19:07] <thyrax> so my 5x500gigs should give me roughly 1.8TB
[19:08] <thyrax> formatted.
[19:08] <Blinkiz> 5 disks. Okay :)
[19:08] <Blinkiz> Raid 5 it is
[19:08] <TuxCrafter> TheSheep: i have MOZ_DISABLE_PANGO=1 in my /etc/environment, i thought it myth be related so i tested uncomment it but it did not make any difference
[19:08] <thyrax> yeah If you get samba configured on xubuntu I may make the switch. I couldn't manage it I might not have tried hard enough
[19:09] <TheSheep> TuxCrafter: you need to relog for it to take effect
[19:09] <Blinkiz> it easy. I can show you the guide I folloed
[19:09] <Blinkiz> followed
[19:09] <TheSheep> TuxCrafter: but that only disables pango for mozilla
[19:09] <thyrax> ok please.
[19:09] <TuxCrafter> TheSheep: yes i thought that too but i wanted to know for suyre
[19:09] <TuxCrafter> i rebooted btw
[19:10] <TuxCrafter> and its out of the env list
[19:10] <thyrax> blinkiz: I set it up but my xbox running xbmc wouldn't see it
[19:10] <TheSheep> TuxCrafter: does it happen with one font only, or with every font?
[19:11] <TheSheep> TuxCrafter: what if you create a new user?
[19:11] <TheSheep> TuxCrafter: is it still there? (then it means it's a system-wide problem)
[19:11] <Blinkiz> thyrax: aha, okay
[19:12] <TuxCrafter> TheSheep: i will test this
[19:12] <Blinkiz> thyrax: Here is the simple guide I followed to install samba on 7.10: http://www.howtoforge.com/ubuntu-gutsy-samba-standalone-server-with-tdbsam-backend
[19:13] <Blinkiz> thyrax: And here is the simple guide I followed to install NFS Server: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=249889
[19:13] <Blinkiz> thyrax: And here is how to build Deluge torrent client from source: http://deluge-torrent.org/faq.php#4n10
[19:15] <thyrax> Blinkiz: good stuff. That's the clearest samba tut I've seen so far. I'll definately give it a try. can I just boot the system and run it headless and will the samba shares be available?
[19:16] <thyrax> I would only need nfs If I was sharing between other linux machines right? I am boomarking all these tuts they are very good. when I google for a tut I get several. to set up my raid I ended up using about 8 different tutorials X_x
[19:17] <thyrax> bookmarking*
[19:17] <Blinkiz> thyrax: Yes, NFS is extremly fast compared to samba.
[19:18] <Blinkiz> With Samba I get 10-20 mbit/sec and 70-100 mbit/sec with NFS.
[19:18] <Blinkiz> Have tried installing NFS client under Windows without luck...
[19:20] <thyrax> windows doesn't like playing nice with others.
[19:20] <thyrax> hey is it possible to get your terminal as part of your desktop using xubuntu?
[19:20] <thyrax> like here---> http://ubuntu-unleashed.blogspot.com/2007/08/howto-completely-transparent-shell-on.html
[19:25] <zoredache> nfs is good for any *nix.. if you had osx boxes on your network bsd or something else.  nfs sucks when it comes to security though
[19:26] <Blinkiz> thyrax: Your previous question about samba. You can install from mini.iso and install minimal system ("cli" command at boot). Then you can follow the guide for samba I gave you. It will work.
[19:26] <Blinkiz> thyrax: The system will be very lightweight. Probably using 20-30 MB RAM and 0% CPU
[19:26] <thyrax> what about running desktop
[19:27] <thyrax> look at that link i sent will comp fusion work with xubuntu?
[19:27] <Blinkiz> Xfce I don't know yet. Maybe around 100 MB RAM
[19:27] <thyrax> what about a minimal install with gnome?
[19:27] <Blinkiz> Yes, Compiz-Fusion works but is not installed by default
[19:27] <thyrax> is it better than doing a standard install?
[19:28] <Blinkiz> If you install Gnome (standard Ubuntu 7.10) you will get everything. Compiz-Fusion is already installed
[19:28] <thyrax> is there a way to find out what vid card I have I tink it might have a problem grub loses video right after it launhced comes back at the login screen and then loses video at shut down
[19:28] <thyrax> hmm
[19:28] <evil_tech> lspci from a terminal
[19:28] <Blinkiz> lspci
[19:28] <thyrax> thanks guys ill give that a try
[19:30] <Blinkiz> Or do you have Windows installed at the moment?
[19:30] <thyrax> not on that system
[19:32] <thyrax> ok apparently I have a geforce2 mx200 in that system
[19:32] <thyrax> is there a way to make sure I have the right drivers
[19:33] <thyrax> that would explain why the system loses signal right at grub startup and at shutdown
[19:33] <thyrax> or does grub have it's own video settings?
[19:34] <Blinkiz> No clue
[19:35] <Blinkiz> Maybe BIOS has a setting to use the PCI graphics card instead of the AGP. Or reverse. But I don't know
[19:36] <thyrax> hmm
[19:36] <Blinkiz> So when the POST is finished, the video signal is directed to the PCI slots instead of the AGP... Have happen to me
[19:36] <thyrax> how do you install current nvidia drivers in linux?
[19:36] <thyrax> when post is done it shows loading grub_
[19:37] <thyrax> then please wait then quickly fades to no signal
[19:37] <Blinkiz> If you install any of xubuntu, kubuntu or ubuntu, it will solve itself.
[19:37] <aladdinsane> how do i stop xubuntu from turning off my monitor when it has been idle for a while, the screensaver i know how to turn off, but i havent found a setting for this?
[19:37] <thyrax> for about 10 secs then it shows the login screen
[19:37] <Blinkiz> thyrax: aha, that's strange
[19:37] <thyrax> yeah. its like grub has a problem with the video
[19:38] <Blinkiz> If you install any of xubuntu, kubuntu or ubuntu, it will install Nvidia or ATI drivers after setup. It will ask you what to do. Really simple
[19:38] <Blinkiz> grub is only text based, right?
[19:39] <evil_tech> mostly i think you can customize it with graphics like fedora
[19:39] <evil_tech> by default its just text though
[19:40] <aladdinsane> oops, accidentally closed down the irc window, sorry for a double post but i missed the answer, if i got one.
[19:40] <aladdinsane> How do i stop Xubuntu from shuting down my monitor after it has been idle for some time, i know how to turn off the screensaver, but this is some power saving feature.
[19:41] <Blinkiz> aladdinsane: na, no one has answered. And I haven't installed xfce yet
[19:41] <zoredache> aladdinsane: no idea, but it sounds like a power managment feature
[19:46] <slimjimflim> does anybody know if it's possible to make all sound mono?
[19:51] <thyrax> Blinkiz you said compiz fusion was installed in gnome? where is it?
[19:51] <thyrax> I loked under system>preferences for compizconfig
[19:51] <thyrax> looked*
[19:52] <Blinkiz> thyrax: yeah. Preference->Apperence
[19:52] <Blinkiz> On the last tab you have something like "Effects". Thats compiz
[19:53] <thyrax> with options none, normal and extra?
[19:53] <Blinkiz> If you want to have the standard control panel (recommend) install "ccsm". Can't remember what ccsm means. Something with compiz manager panel
[19:54] <thyrax> I'm trying to follow this tutorial ---> http://ubuntu-unleashed.blogspot.com/2007/08/howto-completely-transparent-shell-on.html
[19:54] <thyrax> would that be required for that tutorial^
[19:54] <Blinkiz> thyrax: Make sure you have a working compiz first
[19:55] <thyrax> a working compiz?
[19:56] <Blinkiz> Yeah, can you press ctrl+alt and press left mouse and see the cube?
[19:56] <evil_tech> i think you have to turn cube on first
[19:56] <evil_tech> desktop plane is enabled on defaulty
[19:56] <Blinkiz> You have a control panel for this?
[19:57] <Blinkiz> Booting my gnome ubuntu at the moment...
[19:57] <thyrax> hmm I enabmed extra under apperance and I was asked to install my nvidia driver
[19:57] <TuxCrafter> TheSheep: i found the config file that was causing problems with inkscape i reported it in the bug report
[19:57] <thyrax> maybe thats why I have been having vid probs?
[19:57] <Blinkiz> Maybe
[19:58] <Blinkiz> More... Probably :)
[19:58] <thyrax> asked me to restart and retry to use effects
[19:58] <thyrax> so I am rebooting now
[19:58] <Blinkiz> yes
[19:58] <thyrax> hopefully the issue is fixed
[19:59] <Blinkiz> :-)
[19:59]  * thyrax crosses fingers
[19:59] <thyrax> nope
[19:59] <thyrax> still saysgrub is loading
[20:00] <thyrax> starting up
[20:00] <thyrax> and then please wait
[20:00] <thyrax> then quick fade to no video
[20:00] <Blinkiz> grub will always be black. No drivers have been loaded yet
[20:00] <thyrax> and now the login screen pops up
[20:00] <thyrax> really so it's normal?
[20:01] <thyrax> It says please wait then fades and loses signal for about 7 seconds
[20:01] <Blinkiz> No.. But it's an old card and only for 10 seconds. You should be lucky :)
[20:01] <TheSheep> TuxCrafter: cool
[20:01] <thyrax> how long does it take after it says starting please wait for the log screen to appear and what does your system display?
[20:01] <thyrax> lol I thought that might be it
[20:02] <Blinkiz> My system only displayes ubuntu logo
[20:02] <thyrax> I might pop in a slightly newer card will I have to install drivers for it or will it find them?
[20:02] <Blinkiz> On my laptop everything is black until I get into gnome. Some kind of bug.
[20:02] <thyrax> well I don't mind it's a server afterall
[20:02] <Blinkiz> thyrax: *ubuntu will find it. If it needs drivers it will ask you to install it
[20:03] <thyrax> hmm I get a message saying restricted drivers in use....
[20:03] <Blinkiz> yeah, thats good :)
[20:03] <thyrax> really?
[20:03] <Blinkiz> yeah, I guess. Something is working
[20:04] <thyrax> it said desktop effects could not be enabled when i selected extra :/
[20:04] <Blinkiz> When you have installed.. eeh.. gnome? Install "compizconfig-settings-manager". It's a nice one to control compiz.
[20:05] <thyrax> lol and normal
[20:05] <Blinkiz> If you can't select extra, you are having to old graphic card
[20:05] <thyrax> even after geting error effects could not be enabled?
[20:05] <Blinkiz> Or something like that. A clean install should work
[20:06] <Blinkiz> If you check your drivers again. System->Administration->Restricted Drivers Manager. Check so your nvidia card has drivers installed
[20:10] <thyrax> it says enabled and in use
[20:10] <thyrax> I am going to try this other agp card I have laying around
[20:10] <Blinkiz> yeah
[20:13] <zeroflag> http://zeroflag.de/zeroflag/HddResults_2007-12-07_20-57-45_1.xml <-- these benchmarks were done on a LVM raid0 using two raptor hdds. when I do the benchmark on a single hdd (raptor or a common 7200rpm drive) I get almost the same values for throughput. any idea why the raid is so "slow" (/not any faster than a single drive)?
[20:15] <thyrax> maybe your drive is just fast?
[20:15] <thyrax> just kidding
[20:19] <thyrax> blinkiz: this second card is a geforce4 mx4000 and when I enabled extra effects it asked If I wanted to keep the settings so I guess it worked.
[20:19] <evil_tech> zeroflag: chunk size too big?
[20:19] <thyrax> I'm thinking this card is faster/newer than the previous one
[20:19] <Blinkiz> thyrax: nice
[20:20] <Blinkiz> When you have installed the drivers and can enable the extra effects, install "compizconfig-settings-manager". It's a nice one to control compiz.
[20:20] <zeroflag> evil_tech: the chunk size in the tests is just for the internal stream-buffer. the impact on write performance is minimal and it does nothing for read...
[20:22] <evil_tech> no clue
[20:22] <evil_tech> makes me wanna go home and check my raptors now
[20:23] <thyrax> Blinkiz: installed
[20:23] <thyrax> do I just type compizconfig-settings-manager to launch?
[20:24] <nick4> I am using 7.04 and I have a GeForce 2 (MX 200 I think). What is the correct way to install the Nvidia drivers? Go to Applications > System > Restricted Drivers Manager ?
[20:25] <Blinkiz> thyrax: You can access the controlpanel under System-Preferences-eeh.. Windows.. something
[20:25] <thyrax> ok ill search
[20:25] <thyrax> nick go to system->preferences-> and then appearance
[20:25] <thyrax> then select effects
[20:25] <thyrax> and extra
[20:25] <thyrax> and it will install
[20:25] <Blinkiz> yeah
[20:26] <thyrax> I just did that have the same card actually
[20:26] <Blinkiz> You get a new button there. Pressing that one and you are inside the advanced control panel for compiz-fusion
[20:27] <thyrax> blinkiz: it was undr advanced desktop effects settings. under system pref
[20:27] <nick4> thyrax there is no "Preferences" under "System"
[20:27] <Blinkiz> You can now press ctrl+alt and press left mouse and move the mouse around. You should turn the cube. Otherwise you have to enable the cube in the advanced control panel
[20:28] <thyrax> nick are you using gnome?
[20:28] <Blinkiz> kej
[20:28] <Blinkiz> yeah
[20:28] <Blinkiz> didn't you?
[20:28] <Blinkiz> hehe
[20:28] <nick4> thyrax XFCE, Xubuntu
[20:28] <Blinkiz> I tought you hadn't installed xubuntu yet
[20:29] <thyrax> no im trying to help nick he is using xubuntu and the instructions I gave him were for gnome
[20:29] <Blinkiz> Are you helping me? hehe
[20:29] <thyrax> nick I'm not sure havn't used xfce yet
[20:29] <Blinkiz> I will not enable compiz.
[20:29] <Blinkiz> :)
[20:29] <nick4> ok thanks thyrax
[20:29] <thyrax> why not? blink
[20:29] <thyrax> sorry nick wish I could be of more help
[20:30] <evil_tech> compiz in xubuntu is not as streamlined as it is in ubuntu or kubuntu
[20:30] <Blinkiz> On this machine I will only install lightweight stuff. On my laptop I have compiz runnig
[20:30] <thyrax> I just wanted to see what it would be like to have my terminal on my desktop
[20:30] <thyrax> yeah I figured that was why
[20:31] <thyrax> alright back to that tutoriall of mine. I'll probably end up disabling this since I'm doing all this on my server. It's just a good learning process for If i decide to run this on my main desktop
[20:39] <Blinkiz> My Xfce X is crashing/restarted when I press Accessories->Terminal. Why? I can open other programs without problem
[20:39] <evil_tech> thats a common problem. and again havent checked to see if there is a fix
[20:40] <Blinkiz> Common problem. Okay. lets search ubuntuforums then :)
[20:40] <evil_tech> ***goes to check if there is a fiz
[20:40] <thyrax> hey did you install just xfce? or the full desktop
[20:43] <Blinkiz> complete desktop
[20:44] <thyrax> oh ok
[20:45] <evil_tech> you could try running xfce4-terminal from a terminal (xterm since terminal isnt working or from a TTY) and see what it spits out
[20:45] <evil_tech> wait that wont work from a TTY ignore that part
[20:46] <Blinkiz> evil_tech: yeah, its a bug as you said. There are a fix for it but it's not as easy as just not use xfce4-terminal. Will use gnome-terminal or xterm instead
[20:51] <Blinkiz> Minimal ubuntu installation without anything takes 17 MB RAM. Running kubuntu complete package takes 106 MB RAM. Running Gnome takes 142 MB RAM. These are stats on my computer when Idle
[20:51] <Blinkiz> Minimal ubuntu with samba and NFS server active takes 27 MB RAM
[20:51] <Blinkiz> Nice stats :)
[20:52] <thyrax> yeah they are
[20:53] <thyrax> I think I'll do a minimal install and use the gnome desktop
[20:53] <thyrax> when i finally set up my raid 5 server
[20:54] <thyrax> now that I got my raid 1 server running like a champ I just need to wait for the ups delivery person to drop off my last 500gig drive :)
[20:56] <Blinkiz> 1.8 tb. Hmm. I guess is not for home video files only :)
[20:57] <Blinkiz> Hmm
[20:57] <thyrax> lots of movies/anime/tv etc
[20:57] <evil_tech> 1.21 jigawatts!!
[20:57] <thyrax> music/music videos
[20:58] <thyrax> is that how much your server consumes :)
[20:58] <evil_tech> no
[20:59] <evil_tech> just being silly
[20:59] <evil_tech> wish i had 1.8tb though it still wouldnt fit all my movies :(
[20:59] <thyrax> your server measures power in jiggawatts
[20:59] <thyrax> lol I have about 300 so far and thats not even 400gb
[21:01] <Blinkiz> jisses.
[21:01] <thyrax> I have japanese and s.korean televison shows too. I'm not asian just like any culture that has 100mb internet connections easily available
[21:01] <evil_tech> i'm assuming thats compressed dvd
[21:02] <Blinkiz> Yeah, my 500GB drive will be filled with movies. Already having one 320GB filled and another 320GB waiting to go into raid 1 with the other one
[21:02] <thyrax> yeah xvic/divx
[21:02] <thyrax> xvid*
[21:02] <Blinkiz> naa, dvdrips mostly
[21:02] <thyrax> most 700mb some 1.3gb ;)
[21:02] <evil_tech> there a noticeable loss in quality?
[21:02] <Blinkiz> Yeah, it is
[21:03] <thyrax> not on a sd television
[21:03] <evil_tech> cause i was just going to rip just the movie as an iso
[21:03] <Blinkiz> Get a new TV and you will see.
[21:03] <Blinkiz> hehe
[21:03] <evil_tech> curses
[21:03] <evil_tech> *shakes fist a HDTV
[21:03] <thyrax> lol I have a new tv so I keep it in 4:3 ratio when i watch them :)
[21:03] <Blinkiz> ;-)
[21:04] <thyrax> xbmc is the best thing that ever happened to my media setup
[21:04] <thyrax> too bad it doesn't support hd though
[21:04] <Blinkiz> Yeah, have heard alot about xbmc
[21:04] <thyrax> that's why ill be looking towards a linux based front end in the future
[21:04] <thyrax> it is sweeet been using since 2004
[21:04] <Blinkiz> It do support HD. But you have to modify the xbox
[21:04] <thyrax> yeah not worth it really and even then barely
[21:05] <Blinkiz> k
[21:05] <thyrax> It's good enough for now. plays every forat I have thrown at it
[21:05] <thyrax> they are working on xbmc linux now though
[21:05] <evil_tech> i have a mini ITX computer i was going to relegate to the task
[21:05] <thyrax> that will go on my front end when I build it later
[21:05] <Blinkiz> Will install linuxmce or MythTV when I have a working fileserver up.
[21:05] <Blinkiz> It's like xmbc but for Linux
[21:05] <thyrax> evil: I was thinking about itx too
[21:05] <evil_tech> just dont know how to fit a large enough array and still have it blend with my equipment (or afford the array)
[21:06] <thyrax> yes blink they are but xbmc is so streamed line and better than mythtv inmo
[21:06] <thyrax> imo
[21:06] <thyrax> see you build the array and stream it over
[21:06] <Blinkiz> thyrax: What I have heard, you have absolutly right
[21:06] <thyrax> thats what I'm doing
[21:06] <thyrax> have the server else where
[21:07] <evil_tech> hmm
[21:07] <thyrax> streaming to xbmc is the best thing since sliced bread
[21:08] <thyrax> I have a 160gig drive in my modded xbox which I never use it only has some games I ripped to it on it
[21:08] <thyrax> sreaming is the way to go
[21:08] <thyrax> streaming*
[21:08] <thyrax> the average home network supports it easily
[21:08] <evil_tech> still a matter of cost. even just ripping the movie only (no menus, credits) is like 4gb times 400 movies that i have
[21:08] <thyrax> hmmm
[21:08] <evil_tech> hmmm
[21:09] <evil_tech> that only just over a terabyte and a half
[21:09] <thyrax> I would convert it to a differnt format
[21:09] <thyrax> you can get good HD rips in 4gigs
[21:09] <evil_tech> dont want the quality loss
[21:09] <thyrax> so for dvd go for about 1.3
[21:09] <thyrax> which is what many of mine are in
[21:09] <evil_tech> ill have to play with it
[21:10] <thyrax> I do know 1.3gig dvd rips look very good
[21:10] <evil_tech> on an HDTV or standard def
[21:10] <thyrax> even 700mb rips
[21:10] <thyrax> both
[21:11] <thyrax> I was watching a tv rip ripped from korean HDtv and it looked crystal clear on my HD tv and it was only 700mb for an hour show
[21:11] <thyrax> you could tell it was ripped from HD
[21:11] <Cthulhu> hello
[21:11] <thyrax> hi cthulhu
[21:12] <Cthulhu> can you guys help me
[21:12] <user123> Hi, guys, I am going to give my question another swing: how much disk space should I allocate for Xbuntu/linux, is 4GB enough, or should I go for 6GB or 10GB?
[21:12] <thyrax> user I think it depends on what you want to use it 4
[21:13] <user123> Yeah, I know...
[21:13] <thyrax> cthulu just ask if ome one can help they will
[21:13] <evil_tech> depends
[21:13] <user123> But for example,
[21:13] <Cthulhu> anyways im installing xubuntu and the computer does not recognize it as an OS
[21:13] <thyrax> cthulu: you mean it can't boot the disk?
[21:14] <user123> win2k works well with 10 GB, for generall use.
[21:14] <Cthulhu> no ive it installed on the HD but i have to have the disk in or it wont load????
[21:14] <user123> I new to linux, so I'm not sure how demanding xubuntu and linux apps could be, regarding disk space.
[21:15] <evil_tech> did you install a boot loader?
[21:15] <thyrax> in your computers BIOS do you have it set to boot from the proper hdd?
[21:15] <Cthulhu> its an old comp with only 1 hdd
[21:15] <thyrax> user for just the OS I think there is a minimum if you use the install cd
[21:15] <evil_tech> i have mine in a 4gb part and it fits fine
[21:15] <thyrax> of about 3.4 gigs
[21:16] <user123> Everywhere I read Ubuntu is recommended at least to have 10 GB,
[21:16] <user123> Thyrax the minium for Xubunti is 1,5 GB, recommendd is 4GB
[21:16] <user123> (if I recall correctly)
[21:16] <thyrax> oh ok cool
[21:16] <Cthulhu> i think he is including the swap partition
[21:17] <thyrax> swap should be 3x your ram
[21:17] <user123> Oh, yeah, thanks for reminding me: the swap partition, is that like windows "virual memort,
[21:17] <thyrax> just rule of thumb
[21:17] <user123> I see, thanks.
[21:17] <Cthulhu> evil: was the boot loader sugestion pointed at me?
[21:17] <thyrax> so if you have 512mb swap should be about 1.4gb
[21:18] <user123> (I know there are a lot of factors regarding this, but I'm just looking for people's experience with this)
[21:18] <user123> thyrax, thanks
[21:18] <evil_tech> depends on the amount of ram and what you do
[21:18] <thyrax> no problem user just hope I was able to help
[21:18] <evil_tech> even when i had one gig i barely touched half doing normal day to day tasks
[21:19] <evil_tech> Cthulu: yes the bootloader question was for you
[21:19] <Cthulhu> k now back to my question lol
[21:19] <user123> I have about 785,840 kb RAM (accourding to win =) and because I'm new to linux I expect that I will try out stuff.
[21:19] <thyrax> linux is usually pretty resource efficient when compared to windows
[21:19] <user123> e.g. wine
[21:19] <user123> =)
[21:20] <user123> thy, that is why I'm switching and fell in love  with Xfce ;)
[21:20] <evil_tech> best bet is to do like thyrax said and make it 3x physical ram and then monitor usage
[21:20] <evil_tech> you can always shrink it later
[21:20] <thyrax> user: you'll soon get the hang of it.
[21:21] <evil_tech> cthulu: how did you install first and what do you mean by having the disc in to boot?
[21:22] <user123> So something around (24' + 15'+ apps = 5 GB should be enough then?) I think I will go with 6GB just to be on the safe side ;)
[21:22] <user123> *2,4+1,5
[21:22] <Cthulhu> i downloaded it to my other laptop and burnt the image  and put it in the other laptop
[21:23] <Cthulhu> i went through the install process and xubuntu wont load with the cd being in the tray
[21:23] <user123> Regarding that issue thanks for your inputs, thyrax, and evil_tech.
[21:24] <thyrax> np I don't even use xfce currently but I come here cos these guys are so helpful
[21:26] <user123> The file system Xubuntu uses it's the ex3 (don't recall its name)?
[21:29] <Cthulhu> sorry internet crashed did anyone respond with help
[21:30] <Cthulhu> guys im such a noob please help if you can
[21:30] <evil_tech> and the only way you can get it to boot is to select boot from first hard disk at the bottom of the menu
[21:30] <thyrax> cthulhu how did you install it?
[21:31] <thyrax> user do you mean thunar? ext3 is just a format I believe.
[21:31] <evil_tech> yay irssi reset
[21:31] <user123> Yes/no, I was wondering about the file format.
[21:31] <Cthulhu> thyrax: i put the disk in and pushed install xubuntu
[21:32] <user123> (Thunar is the file manager)
[21:32] <thyrax> user: its not ntfs like linux I guess It would install using ext3 as the format its a linux format
[21:33] <thyrax> cthulhu did you follow the installation prompts? which iso did you install?
[21:33] <thyrax> when your try to boot your system without the disk what does it say?
[21:33] <Cthulhu> yes i followed the prompts. xubuntu
[21:34] <Cthulhu> OS not found
[21:34] <user123> Tyrax, I was just curios, but thanks anyway.
[21:34] <thyrax> np
[21:34] <Cthulhu> do i have to do something in bios
[21:34] <thyrax> cthulhu maybe it wasn't installed properly I would try it again...
[21:34] <thyrax> onlything I can think of
[21:35] <thyrax> I have to run for a sec. brb and good luck.
[21:35] <Cthulhu> should i format the hdd
[21:35] <evil_tech> does your bios say OS not found or does Grub
[21:35] <Cthulhu> evil?
[21:35] <Cthulhu> bios
[21:36] <evil_tech> did you set the bios to boot from hard drive
[21:36] <Cthulhu> i dont think i know what Grub is and yes i did
[21:36] <evil_tech> my guess is that it didnt install Grub to the MBR
[21:36] <Cthulhu> MBR?
[21:36] <evil_tech> master boot record
[21:37] <evil_tech> its where your hdd stores partition info and a bootloader
[21:37] <evil_tech> which is what Grub is
[21:37] <Cthulhu> how should i set up the partitions i only have 20 gig
[21:38] <evil_tech> is it a multiboot system?
[21:38] <Cthulhu> no just a linux box
[21:39] <evil_tech> brb
[21:39] <evil_tech> customer
[21:39] <Cthulhu> what?
[21:45] <evil_tech> ok
[21:46] <evil_tech> 1 OS 20gigs
[21:46] <evil_tech> how much RAM?
[21:47] <Cthulhu> 512
[21:47] <Cthulhu> no sorry 256
[21:47] <evil_tech> i'd allocate roughly a gig for SWAP
[21:48] <evil_tech> 4gig maybe 6 for /
[21:48] <evil_tech> and the rest for /home
[21:48] <Cthulhu> what was the 4 to 6 gig partition for?
[21:49] <evil_tech> root  (/)
[21:49] <Cthulhu> thats what i thought sorry i told you i was new
[21:49] <evil_tech> np
[21:50] <Cthulhu> will it do this for me in one of the options
[21:51] <evil_tech> you would have to manually create the partitions the way i explained
[21:51] <evil_tech> the default is to make swap 2x your ram and the rest for / and the rest of system
[21:51] <Cthulhu> so format the hdd and redo the install
[21:52] <evil_tech> easiest way
[21:52] <evil_tech> there are other ways to fix it
[21:52] <user123> Ok, I'm going to do it. See you guys on the other side.
[21:52] <evil_tech> good luck user
[21:53] <Cthulhu> thanks man fir all your help i gtg
[21:53] <user123> thanks!
[21:55] <evil_tech> so many new users :)
[21:56] <Blinkiz> I did something so I lost my resolution. After reboot I can now only run at 800x600. All other resolutions is gone. How do I get higher? Or how do I regenerate xorg.conf?
[21:56] <evil_tech> well you could reconfigure x
[21:56] <zoredache> you can use dpkg-reconfigure xorg-server to regenerate, you could also check out the screens and displays on the menu
[21:57] <evil_tech> or go and manually edit xorg.conf
[21:57] <evil_tech> you can do xrandr -s widthxheight
[21:57] <Blinkiz> "dpkg-reconfigure xorg-server" as one command?
[21:58] <evil_tech> sudo in front
[21:58] <zoredache> precede with an sudo as well if you aren't already root
[21:58] <Blinkiz> screens and displays on the menu tell me I only can get 800x600.
[21:58] <Blinkiz> Okay, I'll do it
[21:58] <zoredache> Blinkiz: you should be able to choose a different monitor type...
[22:03] <Blinkiz> zoredache: "dpkg-reconfigure xorg-server" did not work. xorg-server can not be found. Currently am running "dpkg-reconfigure -all"
[22:03] <nalioth> Blinkiz: it's 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg'
[22:04] <evil_tech> its xserver-xorg
[22:04] <Blinkiz> oh :)
[22:04] <evil_tech> been there done that
[22:04] <zoredache> sorry about that... I am being a little lysdexic today...
[22:54] <michael1> hello
[22:55] <michael11> hello
[22:55] <michael11> helllllooooooo
[22:55] <michael11> anyone home?
[22:58] <evil_tech> mayv=be
[23:00] <zoredache> !anyone
[23:00] <ubotu> A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?
[23:05] <evil_tech> we scared him away
[23:05] <zoredache> it would seem so...
[23:07] <soldats> i know there was some people a few days ago or a week ago who wanted to know how to map the "win" key to open the accessories button and couldnt figure out how to do it. so i figured out a way to do it and it works so if this is something that you would like to do let me know. for some reason i havent had internet service for a few days so i havent gotten back to a few people.
[23:10] <user456> Hi guys, I'm kind of in a akward situation here, I was in Xubuntu and was going to partion the disks and I realized something: I havn't done tis in ages. When I am partioning the disk do I create 2 "primary drives"? (one for win and one for Xub)
[23:11] <user456> Or do I create one primary drive and the rest will be logical?
[23:12] <user456> Anyone?
[23:14] <evil_tech> so you are dual booting?
[23:15] <user456> ? No was going to format my 60 GB disk and partition it then isntall win and Xubuntu on their respective partitions.
[23:15] <evil_tech> might as well use two primary partitions
[23:15] <evil_tech> you can have up to 4 and no more partitions
[23:16] <evil_tech> or 3 and 1 extended with as many logical drive
[23:16] <user456> I see.
[23:16] <user456> OK, then I will go with two primary and one extened (the rest of the hard drive).
[23:18] <user456> I also was wondering about linux file swap, you guys have been talking about it, but I figured it was like windows virtual memory; in the Ubuntu manual ot says "Create a swap partition" and in the partition program there is a "linux swap file system"; my question hence: do I have to create a partion for the linux swap file?
[23:19] <zoredache> you don't have tto, but it is strongly encouraged
[23:20] <user456> I see. So I would create a extended parition with a logical drive that amounts about 3x MyRAM on the primary disk that runs Xubuntu?
[23:20] <evil_tech> better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it
[23:20] <evil_tech> or a primary
[23:20] <evil_tech> doesnt matter which
[23:20] <user456> Then I would go with extened...
[23:22] <user456> But the swap disk should be 3x the RAM I have right?
[23:22] <user456> So if I have 768 I should create the swap for about 2,5 GB?
[23:23] <evil_tech> depends on what you are doing
[23:23] <zoredache> swap disks should be at least as big as your ram
[23:23] <evil_tech> 2.5gb is excessive imho
[23:23] <user456> I thought they should be 3x the RAM? Or did I missunderstood you?
[23:23] <zoredache> the need for more depends...  On Linux swap is mostly only used if you run out of ram
[23:23] <evil_tech> 768 or a gig will probably suit you just fine
[23:24] <evil_tech> for doing basic tasks
[23:25] <evil_tech> i have two gigs of ram only which 741 is being used and the swap hasnt been touched.
[23:25] <user456> I do use graphic programs, and I have been planning in using Blender, and I do som heavy processing stuff with PHP (indecing).
[23:25] <evil_tech> and thats just surfing the web, irssi, pidgin and ive been burning some discs and watching movies
[23:26] <user456> I see, my wondows swap file usually goes for 1,5GB in sie, could that be used as a indicator?
[23:26] <evil_tech> not really
[23:26] <user456> Sorry 1GB
[23:26] <evil_tech> windows uses swap even if ram is available
[23:26] <evil_tech> linux only uses it when it runs out of ram
[23:27] <user456> OK, interesting.
[23:27] <user456> So, 1GB should be enough?
[23:28] <user456> I'll take the silenc as a yes.
[23:29] <user456> =)
[23:29] <user456> But what was that you guys were talking about 3x of you memory?
[23:31] <evil_tech> typo on my part
[23:31] <evil_tech> meant to say 2x
[23:31] <evil_tech> thats usually what you want a swap size to be in a windows environ and i just do the same in linux until i can evaluate how much swap i need
[23:32] <nopcode> hm
[23:32] <nopcode> which html standard should i use for pure css stuff?
[23:32] <nopcode> xhtml?
[23:32] <user456> nopcode, eh, yes?
[23:33] <user456> I see, so I should go with 2GB as swap?
[23:33] <evil_tech> sure. you can always make it smaller later
[23:34] <user456> nopcode, html is about structuring, CSS is about styling, basically as long as you usethe class atttribute it really doesn't matter what html standard you use; hell you cold use CSS with XML.
[23:35] <user456> thanks evil_tech (and zoredache), I'll go with a swap 2GB to start with!
[23:35] <zoredache> html pquestions really aren't approtpriate for this channel, but you should probably use html 4.01 string
[23:35] <zoredache> strict* rather
[23:35] <user456> z, I know, but that's all I know =)
[23:35] <user456> *just trying to help
[23:36] <user456> OK, I will go back to formatting my drive, thanks gyus/gals!
[23:37] <nopcode> what about xhtml 1.0 strict?
[23:37] <zoredache> this is very disturbing.... if I ping a server from xfce-terminal my cpu spikes to 100% on every responce to a ping... but when I do the same in xterm it sits at 0%...
[23:39] <nopcode> even when you minimize?
[23:39] <zoredache> nopcode: xhtml has several issues. http://www.webdevout.net/articles/beware-of-xhtml
[23:40] <zoredache> nopcode: when I minimize I see periodic spikes at about 30% every second
[23:43] <Viper550> We pwned the MPAA, YES
[23:43] <evil_tech> ?
[23:45] <soldats> huh
[23:46] <Viper550> MPAA used Xubuntu to make a "university toolkit" to monitor people and encouraged universities to install it on their network
[23:46] <evil_tech> b@$tards
[23:46] <thyrax> lol
[23:46] <Viper550> But, they didn't offer the source code, thus violatiing the GPL!
[23:46] <evil_tech> hah
[23:46] <thyrax> lol that's why I love piracy
[23:46] <Viper550> They did get DMCA'd
[23:47] <soldats> haha
[23:47] <soldats> cool
[23:47] <Viper550> How ironic
[23:47] <soldats> yes so true
[23:48] <thyrax> the pirated the movie 'this film is not yet rated' too
[23:48] <thyrax> this is not the first instance of the mpaa pirating stuff thats what is really ironic
[23:48] <Viper550> and also removing the links on linkware software
[23:48] <thyrax> yeah the list goes on
[23:49] <soldats> sorry if i offend you guys but i am going to paste what i posted earlier because some people whated to know how to do this
[23:49] <soldats> i know there was some people a few days ago or a week ago who wanted to know how to map the "win" key to open the accessories button and couldnt figure out how to do it. so i figured out a way to do it and it works so if this is something that you would like to do let me know. for some reason i havent had internet service for a few days so i havent gotten back to a few people.
[23:49] <thyrax> they are hypocrites but everyone knows if you have big bucks you are above the law in the united states anyway
[23:49] <soldats> thyrax, basically your right in every way possible
[23:50] <Viper550> those idiots at the MPAA
[23:54] <thyrax> the ups person hasn't arrived yet with my  final 500gig hard drive :(
[23:54] <thyrax> I am dieing to put this raid 5 server together
[23:54] <thyrax> lots of torrenting needs to be done
[23:58] <soldats> what will you be hosting