[18:55] <barbara_>  can someone help me i'm in a real bind for time. I am trying to print a pdf in gutsy to send to someone so they can print it off but when i print it as a pdf it puts the margins wrong so when they print it it cuts off parts of the page....
[18:56] <HedgeMage> What are you printing it in?
[18:57] <barbara_> HedgeMage, just one of our form programs we use... xournal
[18:59] <HedgeMage> barbara_:  oh, so it's a problem with pdf generation, not printing the pdf?
[18:59] <barbara_> right
[19:00] <HedgeMage> I don't know xournal, but something I often see is the paper size option set wrong -- for example on A4 when you want US letter
[19:00] <barbara_> HedgeMage, how do i set that for the pdf printer?
[19:01] <HedgeMage> it should be in xournal's options somewhere -- I've never used xournal
[19:02] <barbara_> HedgeMage, looking at the program and it is set to US Letter
[19:04] <HedgeMage> barbara_:  I have no clue then, sorry
[19:04] <johnny> maybe it's the paper sizing in the pdf printer..
[19:04] <johnny> doesn't cups have it's own pdf printer?
[19:14] <barbara_> johnny, i'm using the cups pdf printer and it's screwing up my margins...
[19:15] <johnny> the same that that the internal pdf exporter does?
[19:16] <johnny> you can export to pdf and then open it up in evince and then print it?
[19:16] <barbara_> well evince isn't even printing for me right now so i'm using xournal to try to print it.
[19:16] <johnny> if evince isn't printing, you have other problems
[19:17] <johnny> can you print from gedit?
[19:17] <barbara_> it's weird i had to export it as a pdf then i printed from xournal which fixed my margins then i scanned it in using gscan2pdf and that fixed it...
[19:21] <johnny> well if you can't print from evince, you should get that looked into at some point
[19:21] <johnny> i just know that it prints for me
[19:21] <barbara_> yeah this ltsp thing is just crazy buggy
[19:21] <barbara_> works fine ootb at my other location
[19:35] <barbara_> johnny, I went in and modified the PDF.ppd file for cups pdf the imagable area was wrong. However this still didn't fix it... do you know if there is another ppf that I need to modify?
[19:36] <johnny> no idea
[19:36] <johnny> i've never used any of these programs you're speaking of
[19:36] <johnny> you might want to check the bug list
[20:16] <barbara_> HedgeMage and johnny thx for the help I figured it out! it was the PDF.ppd file by default has the wrong paper margins for US_Letter. compared to my other printer and it works great now
[21:20] <johnny_> anybody here build packages for ubuntu?
[22:16] <Flosoft> hi
[22:17] <Flosoft> I want to setup an entire school network using Edubuntu
[22:17] <Flosoft> the idea is to have Thin Clients using LTSP, but I also have Fat Clients for the teachers and more load intensive works
[22:17] <Flosoft> how do I best sync users?
[22:18] <Flosoft> maybe some centralized authentification?
[22:20] <das-t> i am only starting with edubuntu too but my idea would be: use a central ldap server for storing the user information
[22:20] <Flosoft> hmm
[22:20] <Flosoft> that was my first idea too
[22:20] <Flosoft> but I want something very easially manageable
[22:21] <Flosoft> and maybe also set permissions etc.
[22:21] <Flosoft> we need to have class folders
[22:22] <das-t> http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/LDAP_Client_Authentifizierung <<< a quick research. i don't know, how usable this is.
[22:22] <das-t> that could be done via nfs and group settings imo. though again i believe that ldap would help.
[22:23] <Flosoft> hmm
[22:23] <Flosoft> my idea was to have a shared /home via nfs
[22:23] <Flosoft> and then maybe kerebros?
[22:24] <das-t> shared home ... one home for all? i have never thought about that, i just guess it might get a bit strange if several people are using the same home at the same time.
[22:25] <Flosoft> no
[22:25] <das-t> http://wiki.debian.org/LDAP
[22:25] <Flosoft> I mean: the /home/ is shared on the server ... and then mounted on the fat clients via NFS
[22:25] <das-t> ok, i have never attempted that.
[22:26] <das-t> and isn't kerberos just a way to encrypt the identification process? not to send plain passwords etc
[22:27] <Flosoft> you're asking the wrong person :)
[22:27] <das-t> ok, then we misunderstood each other regarding the homes ;-)
[22:27] <das-t> that is what i remember
[22:28] <das-t> i think it is this way: you can use kerberos for identificatin (windows machines with active directory use this) and then ldap as a central user database. so you should as well get a centralized way for access control.
[22:29] <Flosoft> hmm k
[22:29] <das-t> i am no expert and just guessing from half-burried windows knowledge. i am just about to look into all this again because i want to build a samba ldap server
[22:29] <Flosoft> ah
[22:30] <Flosoft> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OpenLDAPServer
[22:30] <das-t> yes, kerberos is just an authentication method to prevent man in the middle.
[22:31] <Flosoft> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SingleSignOn
[22:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> Flosoft, you want ldap
[22:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> and yes, you could do nfs homes
[22:31] <Flosoft> is this the thing I want? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SingleSignOn
[22:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> i've abused pam to do that in the past, but i was havving nfs/dns issues :\
[22:31] <Flosoft> it uses OpenLDAP
[22:32] <Kamping_Kaiser> libpam-ldap is ultra handy in this instance
[22:32] <Flosoft> the thing I need is something easially manageable ... a webinterface?
[22:33] <das-t> there are ldap interfaces
[22:33] <Kamping_Kaiser> what sort of easily? i find typing 'ldapadduser' fairly painless myself ;)
[22:33] <Flosoft> hmm
[22:34] <Flosoft> I was at first thinking about using Ubuntu Landscape
[22:34] <das-t> well, i am a console guy too, so i don't konw
[22:34] <Flosoft> to sync the users between the workstations etc.
[22:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> using libpam-ldap+openldap you dont need syncing. it'll look up users as needed
[22:36] <Flosoft> yeah
[22:37] <Flosoft> what about groups etc?
[22:38] <Flosoft> I don't want the users to see all the configuration settings
[22:38] <Flosoft> can I hide them for a linux group?
[22:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> you can put groups in ldap... is that your question?
[22:40] <Flosoft> well what if I don't use ldap for now
[22:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> you can try NIS+ (i havent) or some mashup of puppet/cfengine (i have)
[22:41] <Flosoft> what do they do exactly?
[22:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> !nis
[22:42] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about nis - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[22:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> bah. nis= network information services
[22:44] <das-t> i don't know nis, but as far as i know it is inferior to ldap, i was told it was difficult to manag.e
[22:44] <Flosoft> ok
[22:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> nis? its effectively superceded by ldap
[22:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> sorry, that was agreeing with das-t , not some new point ;)
[22:47] <das-t> ;-)
[22:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> !puppet
[22:47] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about puppet - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[22:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> !cfengine
[22:47] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about cfengine - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[22:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> frigsake ubotu!
[22:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> i've needed you to know 3 things in the last few days, and you didnt know any
[22:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> wonder if the ops would mind me spamming more suggestions to them