[00:01] <jjesse> i love spending my friday nights in airports
[00:09] <Riddell> jjesse: not managed to blag your way into the lounge?
[00:10] <jjesse> Riddell: not yet, pretty soon i qualify for free access
[00:10] <jjesse> at least with United Airlines
[00:20] <Riddell> stdin: new koffice2 1.9.95.1 uploaded
[00:20]  * Riddell snoozes
[00:21] <jjesse> Riddell thansk sfor writing
[00:21] <jjesse> off to find dinner
[00:29] <jjesse_> is it rude to want to laugh at people who stroll up to the boarding gate in the airport and ask if the plane has left after there have been at least 4 final calls/
[00:36] <stdin> it's not rude, as long as they don't see ;)
[00:36] <jjesse_> thanks
[00:37] <jjesse_> did you ever get a full kubuntu team member yeet?
[00:38] <stdin> yep, I even got the @ubuntu/member/stdin cloak :)
[00:38] <jjesse_> that's exciting
[00:38] <jjesse_> i just found out about that the other day
[00:38] <jjesse_> and had to add it to my setup
[00:39] <stdin> I got mine pretty quick, just poked nalioth in -ops :p
[00:40] <stdin> turns out he uses the kde4 packages I made too
[00:40] <jjesse_> that's cool
[00:40]  * crimsun chuckles at the cloaks
[00:40] <jjesse_> stdin were you at UDS and if so did we meet?
[00:41] <stdin> no I wan't there
[00:41]  * stdin has some nice lag...
[00:42] <jjesse_> o'hare airport wireless is actually prtty good
[00:42] <stdin> it happens every time I upload koffice2, or anything large like that
[00:42] <stdin> it's going between 2-3 secs
[00:42] <jjesse_> is that because you are on a limit?
[00:42]  * jjesse_ ran into the tcp windo scaling problem at his hotel
[00:43] <stdin> no, just because my internet sucks :p
[00:43] <jjesse_> ooo flight is boarding have a good night
[00:43] <stdin> I have a decent downstrem 3.5Mbit/s
[00:43] <stdin> but upstream is sloooow
[00:43] <stdin> cya jjesse_
[00:43] <stdin> fly safe
[00:44] <crimsun> unfortunately he has little control over that.
[00:44] <stdin> reverse it and change "fly" to "flight", that makes more sense
[03:21] <stdin> Riddell: just so you know, there's a missing epoch on koffice2 as well :p
[03:22]  * Hobbsee wonders what you did with the -kde4 stuff
[03:22]  * Hobbsee goes to read backscroll
[03:22] <Hobbsee> i hadn't told you guys about it, as i'd not finished it :P
[03:22] <stdin> Hobbsee: we used your kubuntu-members-kde4 team :)
[03:23] <Hobbsee> stdin: i see that :)
[03:23] <stdin> something about councils not liking kde4 ppa spam
[03:23] <Hobbsee> stdin: was planning to get cprov to copy over some of  the sources and binaries
[03:23] <Hobbsee> uh...that won't help you
[03:24] <Hobbsee> did you get more mail, after i asked people to poke me if they got more?
[03:24] <stdin> Hobbsee: I don't know, I wan't a member then
[03:24] <Hobbsee> this was a few days ago
[03:24] <stdin> oh, well I haven't gotten any then
[03:25] <Hobbsee> they turned mail off
[03:25] <stdin> we were going to setup a team ourself's kde4-packages or something, but then I saw yours there so just used that
[03:26] <Hobbsee> Riddell: have you had anything since we last discussed the mail situation?
[03:27] <Hobbsee> stdin: did you get failure mail for today's kdepimlibs?
[03:27] <stdin> Hobbsee: nope, only ones I got were from the ppa packages I uploaded
[03:28] <stdin> unless gmail thought it was spam
[03:28] <Hobbsee> were those kdepimlibs ppa packages that you uploaded?
[03:29] <stdin> I uploaded everything to the -kde4 ppa, nothing to the normal kubuntu-members one
[03:29] <Hobbsee>  * Source Package: kde4libs
[03:29] <Hobbsee>  * Version: 4:3.97.0-1ubuntu1~gutsy1~ppa1
[03:29] <Hobbsee>  * Architecture: amd64
[03:29] <Hobbsee>  * Archive: kubuntu-members-kde4 PPA
[03:29] <Hobbsee>  * Component: main
[03:29] <Hobbsee>  * State: Failed to build
[03:29] <stdin> yep -kde4 one was me
[03:29] <Hobbsee>  * Duration: a minute
[03:29] <Hobbsee>  * Build Log: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/10792484/buildlog_ubuntu-gutsy-amd64.kde4libs_4%3A3.97.0-1ubuntu1%7Egutsy1%7Eppa1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[03:30] <Hobbsee>  * Builder: https://launchpad.net/+builds/platinum
[03:30] <Hobbsee>  * Source: not available
[03:30] <Hobbsee> so, did you get that mail yourself?
[03:30] <stdin> yeah
[03:30] <Hobbsee> i didn't ask if you *uploaded* it, i asked if you got a *failure mail* to your personal email.
[03:30] <Hobbsee> so, you did?
[03:31] <Hobbsee> then we should check if Riddell also got a failure mail.
[03:36] <Hobbsee> if Riddell really didn't get mail, then it's safe to add the team back
[03:36] <Hobbsee> as the mailout is now working
[03:36] <Hobbsee> assuming launchpad doesn't die again
[03:37]  * Hobbsee did not get mail to her normal bugmail
[03:39] <stdin_> wow, hell of a crash there
[03:39]  * Hobbsee wonders what the point of asking people to tell her things is, if they go and ignroe it, and then create different problems.
[03:48]  * Hobbsee sends a mail to the ML in the hope that people actually read and obey it.
[03:53] <Hobbsee> stdin: you can probably get the LP admins to copy packages over, instead of reuploading them
[03:54] <stdin> Hobbsee: doesn't matter any more, the're all uploaded
[03:54] <stdin> but that would have been a bit easier
[03:54] <Hobbsee> which is *precisely* one of the reasons where i had not made that team public.
[03:54] <Hobbsee> s/where/why/
[08:49] <stdin> Riddell: kdebase-runtime seems to make symlinks in /usr/bin to the apps in /usr/lib/kde4/bin :/  from binary-post-install/kdebase-runtime-bin:: and binary-post-install/kdebase-runtime-bin-kde4::  in debian/rules
[08:50] <stdin> and kdebase-* ftbfs on everything except i386
[08:50] <stdin> oh, and koffice2 ftbfs on all
[09:36] <jpatrick> hello yuriy
[09:42] <sebastian^> moin all
[09:48] <Riddell> stdin: mm, ok
[09:52] <Riddell> stdin: you should be using soprano 1.98
[09:56] <mhb> good morning to all of you
[10:02] <sebastian^> gm mhb
[11:05] <mhb> silent as every weekend, eh?
[11:06] <Hobbsee> yup
[11:06]  * txwikinger still tired from a 5h meeting last night
[11:07] <mhb> txwikinger: was it related to kubuntu?
[11:07] <txwikinger> mhb: yes
[11:08] <mhb> txwikinger: what was it then?
[11:08] <txwikinger> the monthly CC for kubuntu-de.org
[11:08] <Hobbsee> how is -de going?
[11:08] <Hobbsee> stdin: more broke
[11:09] <txwikinger> well.. we just restructured the organisation and now we change the portal and wiki and so on
[11:09] <txwikinger> I think it is going well
[11:11] <Hobbsee> stdin: please see https://edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members-kde4/+archive/+builds?build_text=&build_state=all for the borken stuff
[11:21] <Riddell> stdin: new kdebase-runtime uploaded
[11:22] <Riddell> I really wish the packages in universe would actually build
[11:27] <Hobbsee> why don't they?
[11:27] <Hobbsee> Riddell: did you get any mail over the failed build bits from today?
[11:30] <Riddell> Hobbsee: don't seem to have
[11:30] <Riddell> Hobbsee: buildds busy with main packages I suppose
[11:30] <Hobbsee> Riddell: good.
[11:31] <Hobbsee> Riddell: and you didn't get it, because i black holed it to a folder in my email.
[11:31] <Hobbsee> Riddell: did you get anything after i asked "if anyone gets any more wrongly-sent mail from LP, please tell me"?
[11:32] <Riddell> no
[11:32] <Hobbsee> good.
[11:32] <Hobbsee> in which case, it's fine to add kubuntu-members to kubuntu-members-kde4, and the council as admins.
[12:17] <buz> what happens when you upgrade dapper to gutsy skipping intermediate releases?
[12:17] <buz> my gf's father machine still runs dapper
[12:18] <buz> and going thru all releases is out of question on a 500k link
[12:20] <mhb> buz: what happens?
[12:21] <mhb> nobody really knows :o)
[12:21] <mhb> but I'd expect some breakage
[12:21] <Hobbsee> buz: lack of transitions
[12:21] <buz> breakage like what
[12:21] <buz> like system not booting anymore
[12:22] <Hobbsee> file overwrites, etc
[12:22] <buz> or more like "you have to force aptitude to do its job"
[12:22] <Hobbsee> the latter
[12:22] <mhb> I'd expect some manual fixing, but the system should hopefully start
[12:22] <buz> i suppose i could live with that
[12:23] <buz> lets see what aptitude complains about
[12:24] <buz> mhh i have a kubuntu-desktop iso on my notebook, but of course no cdr handy
[12:25] <buz> aptitude wont even suggest a solution :P
[12:30] <stdin> Riddell: I uploaded the new -runtime, and the packages are using soprano 1.98, yes
[13:10] <nosrednaekim> ah..../me loves success stories http://hurricanelabs.blogspot.com/2007/12/my-first-blog-novel-life-with-linux.html
[13:13] <stdin> Riddell: but the way, removing kdelibs5 doesn't seem to remove all kde4 packages, some -data ones left over. I get this after removing kdelibs5 http://stdin.pastebin.com/d429d684a
[13:24] <RobertoM> I have a question about kbluetooth
[13:24] <RobertoM> Namely: kbtobexsrv is NOT included in the deb
[13:25] <RobertoM> so I can't send file from phones to PC or back
[13:25] <RobertoM> Is there hope for a fix, since the bug is fixed for Hardy?
[15:04]  * mhb yawns
[15:50]  * Hobbsee wonders when the terms for the council are up
[15:57] <mhb> Hobbsee: 2008-07-29
[15:57] <Hobbsee> erm, what year is it now?
[15:57] <Hobbsee> oh, 07.
[15:57] <Hobbsee> right.  that's ages away
[15:57] <mhb> we still have 07 for a few days
[15:58] <mhb> yeah, that's when you & tonio expire.
[15:58] <mhb> our vista-loving friends are here until 2009-05-20
[15:58] <Hobbsee> !visternal
[15:58] <ubotu> Oh no!  The pointy-clicky Vista lover has arrived!  He's rumoured to be giving out free money, too!
[15:59] <mhb> hmm
[15:59] <Hobbsee> now, he was saying something last night, i think, that he wouldn't do with me being here...
[15:59] <mhb> !nixternal
[16:42] <nixternal> Hobbsee: who snitched on me :p
[16:42] <Hobbsee> no one.
[16:42] <nixternal> hehe
[16:42]  * Hobbsee logs :P
[17:31] <maini10> Hello, I have found the error that prevents launch of KDE 4 full session. Xterm gives this error "can't open /share/config/startupconfig". Is it useful for you?
[17:32] <nosrednaekim> maini10: do you have all the packages installed that you need?
[17:32] <maini10> Yes, at least i think
[17:34] <nosrednaekim> maini10: is this with a clean ~/.kde4?
[17:36] <maini10> Yes
[17:36] <nosrednaekim> maini10: and did you do all of those export lines?
[17:38] <maini10> nosrednaekim: I don't know how to digit tilde in xterm, so I have used /home/marco/.kde4 as KDEHOME
[17:39] <nosrednaekim> the tilda is right above the tab key usually.
[17:40] <maini10> nosrednaekim: thanks, now I have typed the correct line, but it doesn't work
[17:41] <nosrednaekim> hum
[17:43] <maini10> the previous line before the error is "kdostartupconfig (5594) main: running kdostartupconfig"
[17:43] <elisiano> maini10: la tilde la fai con ALT GR + ì (vicino al backspace)
[17:45] <maini10> elisiano: thanks
[17:47] <ScottK> maini10: Do you have dbus-x11 installed, if not, install it.
[17:48] <maini10> ScottK: yes, dbus is installed
[17:49] <ScottK> maini10: dbus-x11 is a separate package
[17:50] <maini10> yes, i meant dbus-x11 is installed
[17:52] <ScottK> OK.  Well that's my only idea.
[17:52] <maini10> ScottK: thanks
[17:54] <mikkael> are the kde4 packages (3.96) in gutsy-backports the same as the ones from stdin ?
[17:59] <stdin> mikkael: they are the same
[18:00] <mikkael> stdin: i guess there is nor more recent snapshot compiled against gutsy somewhere (a ppa maybe) ?
[18:00] <nosrednaekim> mikkael: not that I know of... although RC2 should be coming out real soon
[18:01] <stdin> yep, RC2 isn't far off
[18:01] <mikkael> ah cool
[18:02] <mikkael> i liked 3.96 very much, but not the state of the kicker replacement/plasma
[18:03] <stdin> hopefully we'll see an improvement in 3.97.0
[18:08] <mikkael> im confident
[18:13] <jeroenvrp2> I installed KDE4 RC1 (3.96), but the "about KDE" dialogs show Beta4! Is this normal?
[18:20] <stdin> jeroenvrp: yes
[18:21] <jeroenvrp> stdin: ok thanks
[18:21] <jeroenvrp> I was wondering :-)
[19:55] <mhb> Riddell: remember our dear friend "some UTF-8 characters (like the dot in passwords) render really badly?"
[19:55] <mhb> it has paid us one more visit, it seems.
[21:24] <Riddell> mhb: where's that?
[21:26] <ScottK> Is there a standard way to deal with a .desktop file for a package that needs root so that it will work when called from both Ubuntu and Kubuntu (it's a gtk package).
[21:27] <Riddell> ScottK: ubuntu gnome uses the KDE key
[21:28] <ScottK> So if it calls kdesudo packagename Gnome will figure it out?
[21:32] <mhb> Riddell: hardy
[21:33] <mhb> Riddell: I have all the updates, AFAIK.
[21:36] <mhb> Riddell: especially notable here when you go to kdm and type in your password
[21:36] <mhb> could someone confirm or deny it?
[21:37] <CheGuevara> hmmm were KDE 4 RC2 packages meant to make all kde4 menu entries appear in kde 3
[21:37] <CheGuevara> mhb what are the steps to reproduce
[21:38] <mhb> CheGuevara: if you have hardy, the steps are easier: update, log out, see what happens when you type in your password
[21:38] <mhb> if the font is messed up, I win
[21:38] <mhb> if not, you win
[21:39] <CheGuevara> the big password dots in kdm ?
[21:39] <mhb> yeah, like really big and ugly
[21:39] <CheGuevara> yep
[21:39] <CheGuevara> you win :P
[21:39] <mhb> yay for me!
[21:39] <mhb> :o)
[21:40] <CheGuevara> changed a couple of days ago
[21:41] <mhb> Riddell: any patch of significance that has been introduced to Qt in the last few days?
[21:42] <CheGuevara> or dropped
[21:43] <Riddell> mhb: I'm not sure we're thinking of the same bug
[21:43] <Riddell> can you get me a screenshot
[21:43] <Riddell> there's not been a qt upload recently
[21:43] <mhb> Riddell: didn't we have this sort of behaviour before, when some UTF-8 characters were rendered incorrectly?
[21:43] <mhb> if my memory isn't failing me, kcharmap produced nice screenshots, let me fire it up
[21:44] <CheGuevara> yeah that bug existed before i am sure
[21:44] <CheGuevara> in fiesty i think
[21:44] <CheGuevara> could it be fontconfig?
[21:45] <mhb> could be, yes
[21:45] <CheGuevara> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/hardy-changes/2007-December/002770.html
[21:45] <CheGuevara> this one
[21:48] <mhb> Riddell: http://mhb.ath.cx/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/12/ugly-fonts.png
[21:48] <mhb> CheGuevara: you're good.
[21:50] <mhb> see you folks, it's saturday night's date time for me.
[21:51] <CheGuevara> Riddell, want me to get an old version of fontconfig and see if its that
[21:55] <xRaich[o]2x> hi. i'm testing hardy. is there a possibility to start kde4 without composite?
[22:00] <CheGuevara> i didn't find a way, though there is one
[22:00] <CheGuevara> had to disable composite in xorg.conf
[22:01] <CheGuevara> otherwise rc 2 doesn't start properly
[22:02] <xRaich[o]2x> jikes. xorg does not have a composite entry
[22:02] <CheGuevara> Section "Extensions"
[22:02] <CheGuevara>   Option "Composite" "Disable"
[22:02] <CheGuevara> EndSection
[22:03] <xRaich[o]2x> thx ^^
[22:03] <CheGuevara> np
[22:03] <CheGuevara> should let you start kde 4 now
[22:06] <xRaich[o]2x> jep it works now
[22:06] <xRaich[o]2x> i guess someone is already fixing the startkde4?
[22:07] <CheGuevara> to correct which bug?
[22:12] <xRaich[o]2x> there are some errors in it. the export varibables are issued before the #!/bin/sh and there is a wrong PATH variable
[22:13] <xRaich[o]2x> brb
[22:20] <CheGuevara> oh yeah there's a typo in path
[22:20] <xRaich[o]2x> ah ok ^^
[22:21] <xRaich[o]2x> so... now a have a running system. how can i help the project?
[22:46] <Riddell> CheGuevara: sure
[22:48] <Riddell> mhb: it's not antialiased?
[23:25] <mhb> Riddell: yeah, but only those buttons.
[23:25] <mhb> other fonts look fine.
[23:31] <Riddell> mhb: previously that character didn't show at all
[23:33] <mhb> Riddell: oh it did, but it was a different thing, you're right
[23:33] <Riddell> it got replaces with a similar character but not quite the same
[23:33] <Riddell> smallercircle
[23:33] <mhb> the size of it changed, I guess. Now it's also really huge - much bigger than usual, my nine-letter password fits in much worse.
[23:33] <Riddell> yeah, it's a different character
[23:34] <Riddell> so actually something got fixed, but not entirely
[23:37] <mhb> I'll check the Cuban revolutionary's theory