[00:00] <draik> The tv/monitor has two inputs. The monitor has it's regular/standard 15-pin d-plug
[00:01] <draik> He has an nVidia 5200
[00:01] <draik> GeForce FX 5200 (don't recall if FX is in the name)
[00:03] <BluesKaj> ok where is the TV Tuner located ? In the monitor or pc ?
[00:10] <ardchoille> BluesKaj: on the video card
[00:15] <BluesKaj> draik,  he needs software like TVTime to run on his pc to transcode the tv signal to PAL or NTSC or Secam or whatever his sytem uses for tv to work with the monitor refresh and synch rates
[00:18] <aaroncampbell> Is there a way to pull meta data from a file?  For example, I have a ttf file, and I'd like to see what the font name is (rather than just the filename)  Ultimately, I'd like to make a small script to rename the fonts (1000s of them) to friendlier names (Something like avian_inspired.ttf rather than __AIF.ttf)
[00:21] <cpk1> when building a deb is all you need the diff tar and dsc?
[00:21] <draik> BluesKaj: How do I install something on his computer when I can't see?
[00:21] <ardchoille> aaroncampbell: You can use the find command and pipe it to a while loop to rename a batch of files
[00:22] <aaroncampbell> ardchoille: the question is: "how do I get the font name from the file" ...once I have that, I can rename them
[00:22] <bascule> or xargs
[00:23] <bascule> !info extract
[00:23] <ubotu> extract: displays meta-data from files of arbitrary type. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.5.18-3 (gutsy), package size 50 kB, installed size 220 kB
[00:23] <ardchoille> yeah, xargs works too
[00:23] <aaroncampbell> there's got to be a cli command that will...thanks...I'll check that
[00:23] <bascule> np
[00:24] <draik> ardchoille: Hey there. How goes it?
[00:24] <ardchoille> hi draik
[00:24] <aaroncampbell> installing extract now (extract, libextractor-plugins, and libextractor1c2a)
[00:25] <bascule> it has an awesome amount of switches and file type support, but I have rarely used it, and not for some time
[00:25] <stdin> cpk1: you only need a .diff.gz if it's non-native
[00:25] <cpk1> I am trying to make a deb from source that I got from apt
[00:26] <cpk1> I am having trouble with the cband mod in apache
[00:26] <stdin> cpk1: with "apt-get source <package>" ?
[00:26] <cpk1> stdin: yes
[00:27] <cpk1> I keep getting "dpkg-parsechangelog: error: cannot open debian/changelog to find format: No such file or directory"
[00:27] <stdin> cpk1: are you in the source ?
[00:28] <cpk1> stdin: you mean in the dir? yes
[00:28] <stdin> cpk1: the one called <package>-<version>
[00:29] <cpk1> stdin: oh well the dir isnt named like that, let me name it correctly like that
[00:29] <stdin> cpk1: it should be if you got it with "apt-get source"
[00:31] <cpk1> I pulled it from packages.ubuntu, same thing and didnt make a difference renaming it
[00:31] <stdin> cpk1: how did you extract the source?
[00:32] <aaroncampbell> bascule: I think I'm on the right class, although I'm getting what I'm looking for
[00:32] <cpk1> stdin: there isnt anything to extract...?
[00:33] <stdin> cpk1: the source wasn't in a .tar.gz ?
[00:33] <cpk1> stdin:  there is that but I thought you leave it tarred if you are making a deb?
[00:34] <BluesKaj> draik, tell him to install " tvtime " ...it's in the repos
[00:35] <stdin> cpk1: no, you get the .orig.tar.gz, the .dsc and the .diff.gz, extract with "dpkg-source -x <package>_version-release.dsc" then "cd  <package>-<version>" and "debuild binary" (or "fakeroot debian/rules binary" if you haven't installed devscripts)
[00:35] <rysiek|pl> cu all, /me's going to sleep
[00:35] <bascule> aaroncampbell: cool, there are fewer switches than I thought, output is quite tricky to parse, did you get the -g switch
[00:36] <aaroncampbell> yeah, but I can't seem to get info from a ttf file...
[00:36] <cpk1> stdin: oh that would explain a lot... *goes back into the corner*
[00:37] <stdin> cpk1: I have the process memorised because I do it so much, you get used to these methods :)
[00:38] <ardchoille> stdin: I wonder if it would help folks for you to write a tutorial when you had a chance.
[00:38] <stdin> !packaging
[00:38] <ubotu> The packaging guide is at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/NewPackages for information on getting a package integrated into Ubuntu - Other developer resources are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment - See also !backports
[00:38] <ardchoille> Ah, ok
[00:38] <stdin> ardchoille: there is one :)
[00:38] <cpk1> stdin: thank you
[00:39] <bascule> aaroncampbell: does 'strings' help?
[00:41] <ardchoille> aaroncampbell: Does it help to open konqueror, type in "fonts:/" (without quotes), then double-click a font?
[00:42] <aaroncampbell> ardchoille: I can do that (although these aren't installed), but I have 1000s that I want to pull the info on, and rename, so I thought a small script would be best
[00:43] <ardchoille> aaroncampbell: Ah, you're right, a script would be best for that number of fonts
[00:47] <pacman_> anyone familiar with .daa files
[00:48] <dmcglone> Hi all
[00:54] <jembouge> dmcglone: ask
[00:55] <dmcglone> ask what?
[00:55] <dmcglone> I don't need no help, I'm here to help. Need help?
[00:55] <dmcglone> :-)
[00:55] <jembouge> lol no
[00:56] <jembouge> maybe later :)
[00:56] <jembouge> but Hi :p
[00:56] <ardchoille> dmcglone: We can always use more helpers :)
[00:56] <dmcglone> Hello. it's about time someone said something. :-)
[00:57] <dmcglone> ardchoille: this is my 4th time here I think, and I decided to come back because there were some cool people in here.
[00:58] <BluesKaj> ok, how does one stop the cursor in the google searchba r on konq to stop jumping to the end of a phrase after one keystroke to change a word or letters in the middle of the phrase ?
[00:59] <BluesKaj> nobody has been able to answer that one yet
[01:00] <jembouge> lol, I also come here to have company, it's 2am here, and I'm still working :(
[01:00] <dmcglone> I'm not sure BluesKaj, I've been too buisy trying to figure out how to get the cursor to stay in the URL bar instead of jumping to the search field.
[01:01] <dmcglone> been wondering for about 2 years. LOL
[01:02] <dmcglone> Jembouge, the company is nice all the while helping people. :-)
[01:02] <dmcglone> it's only 8pm here
[01:02] <Xcell> Its 5 Oclock somewhere.
[01:03] <jembouge> I help when I can
[01:04] <Xcell> Working @ 2am?
[01:04] <dmcglone> Xcell, I can't wait till it's 5 O'clock here tomorrow. I'll be partying then.
[01:04] <Xcell> lol.
[01:04] <jembouge> yeah, a ajax project for an association, but that's off the #kubuntu topic :)   I don't need help programming php :p
[01:05] <dmcglone> A bottle of Jim, couple vodka shots and some karaoke and I'll have it made! LOL
[01:05] <Xcell> Giter"Done.
[01:08] <dmcglone> doesn't seem like anyone is very talkative tonight.
[01:08] <jembouge> I only have one pb with kubuntu 7.10, which I never encountered before with debian or other distro, also using KDE, have a look : http://jujufouq.free.fr/fichiers/kdm.jpg
[01:08] <jembouge> anyone knows how to change the font dpi???
[01:09] <jembouge> so that KDM doesn't look that way anymore?
[01:09] <dmcglone> Ah your monitor settings is messed up
[01:09] <jembouge> actually everything's fine, except withkdm
[01:09] <dmcglone> I have helped quite a few people with this problem even myself
[01:09] <jembouge> oh really? then you could tell me :)
[01:09] <stdin> jembouge: system settings > advanced > login manager > fonts ?
[01:09] <Xcell> Ah! I see alot of that, Seems the video drivers are excessive.
[01:09] <dmcglone> Yeah, for some reason you have to change the monitor to a generic monitor that can do 1024x768
[01:10] <jembouge> well my screen is a 1280x800
[01:10] <dmcglone> afterwards, you need to restart your xserver
[01:10] <Xcell> I just increased my text size by 1# and it went away,I had that in my browser.
[01:10] <jembouge> stdin: didn't do anything, I tried all a newbie could try :p
[01:11] <stdin> jembouge: was just a guess really
[01:11] <dmcglone> true, but after you change the monitor settings, you can then adjust the slider to 1280x800
[01:11] <jembouge> yeah, thanks :p
[01:11] <jembouge> Wcell, where did you do that? how?
[01:12] <jembouge> dmcglone, so what you mean is I set it to 1024x768, restart X, and re-set it to 1280x800 ?
[01:12] <dmcglone> adjust the slider, yes.
[01:13] <jembouge> ok, closing all my work stuff in case and "applying" stuff according to your advice
[01:13] <dmcglone> it'll work.
[01:13] <Xcell> Tries it 2.
[01:15] <jembouge> coming back
[01:17] <dmcglone> how'd it go?
[01:17] <Xcell> That worked, Thanks.
[01:17] <dmcglone> :-)
[01:18] <Xcell> Nice job.
[01:18] <ardchoille> BluesKaj: I removed the earch bar and just do "google foo" in the knoq location bar
[01:18] <dmcglone> it seems kubuntu's default settings for the monitors H sync and V sync are messed up
[01:18] <Xcell> ya that seems true...I racked my brains on that one.
[01:19] <jembouge> yo man, it's all messed up now
[01:19] <dmcglone> did you adjust your slider?
[01:19] <jembouge> I can't even set it to 1280x800 now
[01:19] <jembouge> yeah,
[01:19] <jembouge> then logged off
[01:19] <jembouge> and on again
[01:20] <jembouge> tried to set it to 1280x800, but doesn'texist anymore :'(
[01:20] <dmcglone> wait, it worked fine for Xcell, how did you do it?
[01:20] <draik> BluesKaj: What does tvtime do?
[01:20] <nosrednaekim> jembouge: what are you trying to do?
[01:20] <Xcell> I used the one @ the bottom, (plug N play.
[01:20] <dmcglone> Ok no fret, then change the monitor to one that can do 1280x800
[01:20] <jembouge> dmcglone : I tell you, set the slider to 1024x768, logged off and on, and couldn't set it to 1280x800 anymore
[01:21] <jembouge> nosrednaekim: trying to solve this :  http://jujufouq.free.fr/fichiers/kdm.jpg
[01:21] <dmcglone> change the monitor to one that can do 1280x800
[01:21] <BluesKaj> draik,  TVTime runs on his pc to transcode the tv signal to PAL or NTSC or Secam or whatever tv system his country uses for tv,  to work with the monitor scan and synch rates
[01:22] <Xcell> dmcglone is right.
[01:23] <nosrednaekim> jembouge: ah.. your kdm is the wrong resolution?
[01:23] <jembouge> oh gosh, I click the "root mode" button, but doesn't ask for the password and doesn't change anything
[01:23] <jembouge> nosrednaekim: apparently just the font dpi
[01:24] <jembouge> as I had already looked on the internet for info
[01:24] <jembouge> ok, so how could I launch that configuration program in a console?
[01:24] <nosrednaekim> jembouge: oh,... yeah... just a sec..my brother knows how to fix that
[01:24] <jembouge> lol
[01:25] <dmcglone> I'm his brother
[01:25] <dmcglone> Just kidding
[01:25] <dmcglone> LOL
[01:25] <jembouge> that's the forth time I ask for it on this channel, never had any helpers earlier, 3 today :p
[01:25] <nosrednaekim> jembouge: he says something about Xdpi settings and having to change them on the command line... Gentoo-user <_<
[01:25] <jembouge> lol, I'm no Gentoo user :)
[01:26] <dmcglone> LMAO
[01:26] <nosrednaekim> lol
[01:26] <dmcglone> jembouge, just change the monitor to a generic monitor that can do 1280x800
[01:26] <BluesKaj> draik, his GeForce FX 5200 video card doesn't have a tvtuner , so i don't know how he expects to watch tv on his monitor unless it has tv tuner on it
[01:27] <jembouge> yeah, I would love to, but the thing is it's not even asking for the password when I click the button to get full privileges
[01:27] <dmcglone> LOL BluesKaj, some people are just plain nuts.
[01:27] <dmcglone> He probably thinks his monitor is a TV
[01:27] <Xcell> lol
[01:28] <nosrednaekim> jembouge: did you mess with the font settings in systemsettings->advanced->login manager->font?
[01:28] <dmcglone> jembouge, you need to kill the process and try again
[01:28] <BluesKaj> dmcglone, well maybe it is , we're talking about a third party  here , but his communication about the setup is definitely lacking in details :)
[01:29] <dmcglone> ctrl + alt + esc and then kill the system settings window and open it back up and it should ask you for a password then.
[01:29] <jembouge> I've killed the thing, tried again
[01:30] <dmcglone> I can't remember what process to kill to get the password box back, but what I mentioned above will have the same effect.
[01:30] <Xcell> Not sure, but I think paswsword time out is 8 minuits.
[01:30] <nosrednaekim> jembouge: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-guidance/+bug/25656
[01:30] <jembouge> but still can't get the prompt for a password when clicking the admin mode button
[01:30] <Xcell> It changes from version to version.
[01:30] <dmcglone> ah just log out and back in and it should work.
[01:31] <jembouge> well, rebooting in order to try again...
[01:31] <dmcglone> rebooting?
[01:31] <dmcglone> ah thats a little overboard....LOL
[01:32] <jembouge> if I can help you to help me with some more info, ask me! :p
[01:32] <jembouge> logging off
[01:32] <jembouge> and on sorry
[01:32] <dmcglone> LOL
[01:32] <dmcglone> sheesh! LOL
[01:32] <dmcglone> Xcell everything working Ok for you now?
[01:32] <Xcell> Picking plug n play seemed like a universal setting to me.
[01:33] <Xcell> Works like a shiny new car...thanks.
[01:33] <dmcglone> good. we now know that some plug and play things work. ;-)
[01:33] <Xcell> ya
[01:34] <dmcglone> now if I could get my wife to plug and play, my life would be great! LMAO
[01:34] <Xcell> hahaha..more beer.
[01:34] <dmcglone> not till tomorrow evening. :-(
[01:35] <Xcell> You need to show up more often dmcglone, we need people like you.
[01:35] <dmcglone> welcome back jembouge
[01:35] <draik> BluesKaj: Sorry, I should clarify.
[01:35] <jembouge> well, you know what, I'm very annoyed
[01:35] <dmcglone> Xcell, I try.
[01:35] <draik> BluesKaj: He can watch TV. He has it setup with $CABLE_CO.
[01:35] <jembouge> thanks dmcglone
[01:35] <dmcglone> what are you annoyed about?
[01:36] <draik> BluesKaj: He can't seem to get the monitor part of the set to work. He gets a blank screen when trying to use his computer.
[01:36] <jembouge> wherever I want to click that "admin mode" button in the "control panel"
[01:36] <jembouge> it doesn't ask for it,
[01:36] <jembouge> and prevents me from changing the settings
[01:36] <dmcglone> Ok hang on, let me get the process for you to kill
[01:36] <jembouge> like the type of screen and all..
[01:36] <jembouge> can't do anything this way
[01:36] <draik> My friend's monitor is both TV and computer monitor. For some reason, it won't work on the tv/monitor. It is set to Monitor, but nothing displays.
[01:37] <BluesKaj> draik, so he's trying to feed the video from the cable box into video and audio inputs omn the video card ?
[01:37] <nosrednaekim> jembouge: use "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"
[01:37] <jembouge> and now my screen is a streched 1024x768 filling a 1280x800 area
[01:37] <jembouge> ok doing it
[01:37] <draik> BluesKaj: disregard the TV portion of it with the exception that the unit is both TV and computer monitor.
[01:37] <nosrednaekim> jembouge: forget the GUI things XD
[01:38] <draik> He has the cable plugged into the computer's video card to use the Monitor portion.
[01:38] <BluesKaj> then switch to TV not Monitor ...monitor is for the pc
[01:38] <draik> It's a blank screen
[01:38] <draik> He has it on Monitor
[01:38] <draik> It's a blank screen
[01:38] <cpk1> tasksel remove lamp-server did not do what I wanted it to...
[01:38] <BluesKaj> then switch to TV
[01:38] <draik> BluesKaj: How will tv work with the computer?
[01:39] <draik> He can't get the computer to come up on the unit
[01:39] <draik> That's the issue
[01:39] <jembouge> logging off and back on
[01:39] <nosrednaekim> jembouge: hope to see you back :D
[01:39] <BluesKaj> you said his monitor won't display tv ...that's the route I was trying follow
[01:39] <jembouge> nosrednaekim: that's ok for now but I will want it to work later
[01:40] <BluesKaj> aargh !  :(
[01:41] <dmcglone> kill '/usr/bin/kcmshell'
[01:43] <jembouge> back!
[01:43] <nosrednaekim> jembouge: better>
[01:43] <nosrednaekim> ?
[01:43] <jembouge> and with a better screen
[01:43] <Xcell> yay.
[01:43] <nosrednaekim> login fixed though?
[01:43] <nosrednaekim> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-guidance/+bug/25656
[01:44] <nosrednaekim> take a look at this^^ jembouge
[01:45] <dmcglone> I went away for a second. looks like it worked, I heard "Yay's"
 and with a better screen
[01:48] <jembouge_> [sam déc 8 2007] [02:43:48] <jembouge> at least now displaying it 1280x800, this is how I did :
[01:48] <jembouge_> [sam déc 8 2007] [02:44:14] <jembouge> full reboot, no log off, so I get the password prompt now in the settings panel
[01:48] <jembouge_> [sam déc 8 2007] [02:44:39] <jembouge> so better yes thank you all
[01:48] <jembouge_> [sam déc 8 2007] [02:44:57] <jembouge> now, I would just like to check whether KDM has had its lesson :p
[01:48] <jembouge_> [sam déc 8 2007] [02:45:06] <jembouge> so log off, log on again :p
[01:48] <jembouge_> sorry I got disconnected brrr
[01:48] <jembouge_> well, kdm still refuses to look "good"
[01:48] <jembouge_> disconnected again..
[01:48] <nosrednaekim> jembouge_: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-guidance/+bug/25656
[01:48] <jembouge_> what's happening tonight??? everything worked just fine before brrr lol
[01:49] <dmcglone> thats weird
[01:49] <jembouge_> yes thanks, I had bookmarked it and wanted to try it just right now
[01:49] <jembouge_> if you have my bug fixed tonight, I pay you all a virtual beer :p
[01:50] <dmcglone> did you change the monitor to one that can do 1280x800?
[01:50] <wpk> then he'll do a virtual fix of your bug
[01:51] <jembouge_> :p
[01:51] <dmcglone> with mine, I have it set to a monitor that can do 1024x768 but I can slide the slider up to 1280x800
[01:51] <jembouge_> dmcglone: oh no I forgot about that
[01:51] <nosrednaekim> jembouge_: close your eyes... there you go...bug fixed:D
[01:51] <jembouge_> well, atm I'm trying https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-guidance/+bug/25656
[01:51] <jembouge_> :D
[01:51] <nosrednaekim> beer please?
[01:51] <nosrednaekim> make it a rootbeer
[01:52] <nosrednaekim> as I am underage
[01:52] <nosrednaekim> ;)
[01:52] <maybeway36> a&w good?
[01:52] <jembouge_> xdpyinfo | grep resolution tells me :   resolution:    112x968 dots per inch
[01:52] <dmcglone> Ha Ha
[01:52] <nosrednaekim> maybeway36: thats fine...
[01:52] <nosrednaekim> I like Bangs though and Penn Duch Birch beer better
[01:52] <dmcglone> <chugging my budweiser lauging at nosrednaekim>
[01:52] <jembouge_> virtual beer not coming yet, since the bug's still there :p
[01:52] <maybeway36> oh man
[01:52] <maybeway36> im out
[01:52] <wpk> jembouge_: what graphic card do you have?
[01:52] <wpk> intel?
[01:53] <jembouge_> yes
[01:53] <jembouge_> wpk > yes
[01:53] <wpk> try i915resolution
[01:53] <wpk> or sth like that
[01:53] <jembouge_> didn't do anything
[01:53] <wpk> have you configured it properly?
[01:53] <nosrednaekim> wpk: this is independant of the driver
[01:53] <Daisuke-Ido> *install* i915resolution.
[01:53] <jembouge_> installed it on previous installations and didn't do anything at all
[01:53] <Daisuke-Ido> and besides, what intel chipset?
[01:53] <bascule> !info 915resolution
[01:53] <wpk> jembouge_: have you configured it properly?
[01:54] <bascule> !hi
[01:54] <ubotu> 915resolution: resolution modification tool for Intel graphic chipset. In component universe, is extra. Version 0.5.3-0ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 15 kB, installed size 124 kB (Only available for i386 amd64 kfreebsd-i386 kfreebsd-amd64)
[01:54] <ubotu> Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[01:54] <dmcglone> wpk, thats what i'm trying to help him do, but he keeps getting sidetracked
[01:54] <jembouge_> I think so, the thing is this bug is common it seems
[01:54] <nosrednaekim> jembouge_: yes
[01:57] <jembouge_> ok, so I've changed the line in the file as said on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-guidance/+bug/25656
[01:57] <jembouge_> so... coming back soon
[01:57] <nosrednaekim> jembouge_: make sure you restartthe X server.
[02:01] <Xcell> I am soooo glad I dont do microsoft anymore.
[02:01] <jembouge> Hi there!!!!
[02:01] <jembouge> the problem has gone!!!!
[02:02] <Xcell> Beer please.
[02:02] <jembouge> KDM looks just "perfect", or at least, as it should!
[02:02] <jembouge> oh yeah, good damn beer
[02:02] <dmcglone> !beer
[02:02] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about beer - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[02:02] <Xcell> lol i almost did that
[02:02] <dmcglone> ouch
[02:02] <jembouge> ok, all you who helped me or would have liked too, virtual beer for everyone, and it's all on me!
[02:03] <dmcglone> poor ubotu missing out on a lot of fun
[02:03] <wpk> jembouge: real solution - real beer, those are the rules!
[02:03] <Xcell> !smart
[02:03] <ubotu> smart is another meta-package manager available for Ubuntu. It's quite stable, uses APT's repositories, can handle mirrors/multiple-connections, and is supposed to make Ubuntu BiArch-compatible. See http://labix.org/smart and https://wiki.kubuntu.org/SmartPackageManager
[02:03] <dmcglone> !sexy woman
[02:03] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sexy woman - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[02:03] <nosrednaekim> jembouge: Root Beer float!
[02:03] <jembouge> wpk, where do you live?
[02:03] <wpk> jembouge: poland
[02:03] <wpk> :P
[02:03] <nosrednaekim> !helpersnack | everyone
[02:03] <ubotu> everyone: Wow! You're such a great helper, you deserve a cookie!
[02:03] <jembouge> wow, too far for me, come to France
[02:03] <jembouge> :p
[02:04] <dmcglone> !helperbeer | david
[02:04] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about helperbeer - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[02:04] <wpk> jembouge: maybe in January :P
[02:04] <dmcglone> man is this a non-alcoholic chat?
[02:04] <dmcglone> LOL
[02:04] <nosrednaekim> jembouge: glad it worked.
[02:04] <Xcell> lol france..aren't they sen-soring the net now?
[02:04] <nosrednaekim> I'm about ta call the mods..
[02:04] <jembouge> sure, I'm over here: http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=46.590957,0.352936&spn=0.055916,0.160675&z=13&om=1
[02:04] <dmcglone> !france
[02:04] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[02:05] <dmcglone> that says it all! LOL
[02:05] <jembouge> yeah, me too, now I can show off to my friends who still use windblows
[02:05] <Xcell> Tattle tales are not welcome.
[02:05] <dmcglone> they not only sensored it, they made it so you can even read it! LOL
[02:06] <dmcglone> !donkey
[02:06] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about donkey - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[02:06] <jembouge> really thanks very much to all of you guys
[02:06] <dmcglone> no problem jemouge
[02:06] <dmcglone> that was all in a days work ;-)
[02:06] <jembouge> yeah but I feel relieved now
[02:07] <dmcglone> never fear, dmcglone's near
 good guy.
[02:07] <jembouge> I'm not sure I'm gonna go to bed now, it's 3.06am, and gotta get up early... dmcglone: lol
[02:07] <dmcglone> how long have you all been using linux?
[02:08] <dmcglone> night hembouge, all that hackin' made you tired?
[02:08] <Xcell> Couple months for me..and i'm kickin my self for the lag of not doing so earlier.
[02:08] <jembouge> kubuntu for less than 2 weeks, before that was debian for over 3 months, and before that, mandriva, fedora and others, just trying
[02:09] <dmcglone> Woah!
[02:09] <dmcglone> I've been using linux since the RH 6.1 days
[02:09] <Xcell> I tried mandrake..to buggy.
[02:09] <dmcglone> I hate mandrake
[02:09] <dmcglone> SuSE is a bloated piece of dung too!
[02:09] <Xcell> It gave me a new setup @ every boot..lol.
[02:10] <jembouge> I eventually found the distro I like, although I would have that sudo thing taken out of my box I would feel better, but I got used to it now
[02:10] <Xcell> SuSe is SiSSy.
[02:10] <dmcglone> fedora is all right, i just hate the lack of a centralized place for system settings
[02:10] <jembouge> lol, what I really enjoy in kubuntu is that one can remove packages, and only those you want,
[02:10] <Xcell> Ubuntu has their act together it seems.
[02:11] <dmcglone> I used RH all the way up till it changed to fedora, then I switched
[02:11] <jembouge> with debian, try to remove kcalc and it will remove the whole KDE!!!
[02:11] <dmcglone> jembouge, thats true, but depends on how you do it
[02:11] <nosrednaekim> yeah, I was a slackware then suse, finally kubuntu user
[02:11] <nosrednaekim> kubuntu just plain rocks
[02:11] <nosrednaekim> sure, it has some rough edges,
[02:11] <nosrednaekim> but everything does generally just work
[02:12] <rrbiz> with ubuntu i got the same issue of trying to remove one kde app and removes all kde
[02:12] <Daisuke-Ido> err
[02:12] <Xcell> right on nosrednaekim.
[02:12] <dmcglone> it does. because debian cares about stability
[02:12] <Daisuke-Ido> most of those rough edges are going away with hardy
[02:12] <nosrednaekim> Daisuke-Ido: thats what they always say.... but hey... then we;d be put out of a job XD
[02:12] <Daisuke-Ido> one of the big goals for kubuntu is feature parity with ubuntu
[02:12] <Xcell> ya cant wait for hardy,,it will be supported for 3 yrs..that speaks volumes.
[02:13] <Daisuke-Ido> Xcell: so's dapper, hardy's not the first long-term release
[02:13] <dmcglone> support for my hardy will be till the day I die!
[02:13] <dmcglone> LOL
[02:13] <Daisuke-Ido> dapper's supported until june of 2009
[02:13] <Xcell> lol
[02:13] <noiesmo> hello all I have laptop with crystal eye webcam in kopete the cam works yet in other apps i get /dev/video0 error running gusty kubuntu
[02:13] <Daisuke-Ido> dmcglone: you're going to die in april of 2011?
[02:13] <jembouge> dmcglone: poor you then, you'll die young
[02:13] <Xcell> Why is dapper supported so long?
[02:13] <dmcglone> when I die, then all support for my computers will cease. LOL
[02:13] <Daisuke-Ido> Xcell: because it's a long-term support release.
[02:13] <ardchoille> Xcell: It's an LTS
[02:14] <dmcglone> jembouge, I wish I was young
[02:14] <Xcell> ah..k.
[02:14] <dmcglone> LMAO
[02:14] <Daisuke-Ido> as i just said
[02:14] <ardchoille> Xcell: Hardy will be the next LTS release
[02:14] <Xcell> nice
[02:14] <Xcell> t/y ardchoille.
[02:14] <ardchoille> Xcell: One could probably use nothing but LTS releases and never have a gap in support.
[02:14] <ardchoille> Xcell: yw
[02:14] <Daisuke-Ido> ardchoille: no probably
[02:15] <Daisuke-Ido> that's what they want :)
[02:15] <dmcglone> I think it's time for me to get ready for bed.
[02:15] <stainz70> hi
[02:15] <ardchoille> Daisuke-Ido: Ah, yeah
[02:15] <Xcell> cant wait.
[02:15] <Xcell> no
[02:15] <jembouge> well, I really want to try "new" KDM stuff now, so I'll set the font to something bigger than 4px now... and give it a try :D
[02:15] <jembouge> stainz70: hi
[02:15] <dmcglone> jembouge, give compiz fusion a try
[02:16] <jembouge> already done :p
[02:16] <dmcglone> still using it?
[02:16] <rrbiz> jembouge: hey the same issue is on ubuntu as debian with trying to remove one kde package removes the whole kde WM when you install KDE yourself like i did after being on gnome
[02:16] <dmcglone> rrbiz it's not an issue
[02:16] <dmcglone> it's the way it works
[02:16] <dmcglone> like they say "it's not a bug, it's a feature"
[02:16] <dmcglone> LOL
[02:16] <ardchoille> lol
[02:17] <Daisuke-Ido> wrong!
[02:17] <Xcell> dmcglone:  its only 9:16.
[02:17] <Xcell> ya lol.
[02:17] <Daisuke-Ido> removing one kde package does *not* remove kde
[02:17] <dmcglone> Xcell, I got to work at 6am :-(
[02:17] <Daisuke-Ido> if you installed kubuntu-desktop, at least
[02:17] <dmcglone> Daisuke-ldo, pay attention to the JOKE! LMAO
[02:17] <Xcell> ah ok..till next time dmcglone, god bless.
[02:17] <rrbiz> dmcglone: i asked on kde channel and they said it's a distro issue
[02:18] <jembouge> rrbiz: 't was hard to get what you meant, but I haven't had that "problem" with kubuntu
[02:18] <Daisuke-Ido> (and that is the easiest and "proper" way to install kde)
[02:18] <jembouge> dmcglone yeah see you
[02:18] <Daisuke-Ido> it removes the kubuntu-desktop package, which is okay, it's just a metapackage
[02:18] <dmcglone> Ok guys, I'll try and be back tomorrow evening
[02:18] <Xcell> hurry
[02:19] <Xcell> no waiting
[02:19] <dmcglone> but for now, i've gotta go check on the kids and get my Zzzzz's
[02:19] <Daisuke-Ido> dmcglone: i wasn't responding to your joke, i was responding to the false information given
[02:19] <dmcglone> it wasn't false if it was a joke
[02:19] <jembouge> what's a Zzzzz's ?
[02:19] <dmcglone> sleep jembouge...LOL
[02:19] <Daisuke-Ido> not from you.
[02:19] <ardchoille> jembouge: denotes that someone is sleeping
[02:19] <jembouge> oh ok
[02:19] <dmcglone> LOL
[02:19] <jembouge> an onomatopea I guess
[02:19] <Daisuke-Ido> i was responding to rrbiz's comment
[02:20] <jembouge> (making up the word)
[02:20] <dmcglone> Ok Daisuke, you can get that wedgie out of your butt now
[02:20] <dmcglone> don't be so uptight
[02:20]  * nosrednaekim dons a flamesuit
[02:20]  * nosrednaekim watches eagerly
[02:20] <dmcglone> anyway, y'all chill and i'll catch ya's tomorrow evening
[02:21] <nosrednaekim> dmcglone: c ya
[02:21] <dmcglone> c ya
[02:21]  * Daisuke-Ido grumbles
[02:21] <Daisuke-Ido> i don't like him.
[02:21] <Daisuke-Ido> not that i have much room to talk, i would bet there are plenty around that don't like me either :)
[02:21] <Xcell> ok Daisuke-Ido:  chill..we are just goshing ..dont take things so mserious.
[02:21] <Xcell> serious
[02:22] <Xcell> relax.
[02:22]  * nosrednaekim pokes Daisuke-Ido with a fork
[02:22] <leftylink> so, I'm got Gutsy's Live Cd... and when I boot from it, it says something like initramfs: Exception! And spits memory addresses at me
[02:22] <leftylink> is there any hope, or is my hardware incompatible?
[02:22] <nosrednaekim> leftylink: did you test your cd to see if it was ok?
[02:22] <Daisuke-Ido> Xcell: i was also not talking about you.  a false statement was made, i corrected it.  what you read into it is your problem
[02:22] <leftylink> when I boot the CD on a different computer, it works perfectly, so I'm assuming hardware issue...
[02:22] <nosrednaekim> leftylink: yeah.... possibly.
[02:23] <nosrednaekim> leftylink: what is the hardware?
[02:23] <Daisuke-Ido> now, this is offtopic, so time to stop discussing it.
[02:24] <nosrednaekim> doesn't ANYONE need help?
[02:24] <jembouge> well, I really gottago to bed too, 3.23am.... my wife wouldn't be very happy if I had one....
[02:24] <rrbiz> i had opacity and transulency and kde was slow as heck, went with all the default kde looks no background and i'm back to normal sheesh
[02:24] <jembouge> thanks nosrednaekim, you work well tonight already
[02:24] <nosrednaekim> jembouge: then stop worrying about it
[02:24] <jembouge> LOL
[02:24] <nosrednaekim> jembouge: I try.... thanks.
[02:25] <jembouge> see you all at a later time
[02:25] <nosrednaekim> and you... good luck
[02:25] <jembouge> as every evening since I'm on kubuntu
[02:25] <Xcell> Take care jembouge.
[02:25] <jembouge> cheers
[02:25] <jembouge> lol, no probs  Xcell :)
[02:25] <Xcell> nice.
[02:25] <jembouge> c ya
[02:27] <nosrednaekim> bye all! I need to get some sleep too
[02:28] <Xcell> k
[02:28] <nosrednaekim> (although its only 9:30
[02:28] <jac0b> how do I set my permissions so I can mount and write to my ext3 drive
[02:29] <the-erm> jac0b: is it usb?
[02:30] <jac0b> nope its a hardrive
[02:31] <jac0b> its my storage drive
[02:36] <Xcell> 1 more time.
[02:36] <jac0b> does anyone know how to set my read/write permission for ext3 drive I have
[02:38] <christian_> Bonjou tout le monde! =D
[02:40] <christian_> Anybody on?
[02:40] <maduser> yeah
[02:40] <christian_> Heya
[02:41] <N1ghtm4r3> there we go
[02:43] <dmcglone> Hey all
[02:44] <dmcglone> I decided to hang out a little later and chat for a while
[02:46] <neville> How can I set a static IP address for my computer?
[02:49] <maduser> try knetworkmanager
[02:50] <dmcglone> Hey
[02:50] <Xcell> ya
[02:50] <dmcglone> I decided to hang out a little longer
[02:50] <dmcglone> LOL
[02:50] <Xcell> cool
[02:51] <maduser> .......
[02:51] <Xcell> will talk for beer.
[02:51] <dmcglone> I figure I can sleep tomorrow
[02:51]  * jsubl2 passes Xcell a bud light
[02:51] <dmcglone> <hands Xcell a virtual beer>
[02:51] <Xcell> ya hiccup.
[02:52] <dmcglone> is most everyone here in or out of the USA?
[02:52] <Xcell> im in babylon usa.
[02:53] <dmcglone> babylon? sounds like my college civics class.
[02:53] <dmcglone> LOL
[02:53] <Xcell> lol
[02:53] <jsubl2> dallas
[02:54] <Xcell> I live where fried pork knuckles are a delicacy.
[02:54] <jsubl2> arkansas
[02:54] <jsubl2> ?
[02:54] <dmcglone> I live in columbus ohio
[02:54] <Xcell> cool, my wife is from ohio..lima defiance.
[02:54] <maduser> Xcell: where is that?
[02:54] <dmcglone> I've been to lima, about 2.5 hours from here
[02:55] <Xcell> I am originally from N.Y.
[02:55] <Xcell> But live in fla.
[02:55] <dmcglone> Ah fla. wish I was there
[02:55] <Xcell> nah  these people live in a 1 horse town. And the front half is still missing.
[02:55] <dmcglone> poor me has never left the state of ohio
[02:56] <dmcglone> LOL
[02:56] <maduser> Im in New York
[02:56] <alexbe01__> of the horse?
[02:56] <Xcell> I collaged out in hudson in 82
[02:56] <adamonline45> I ripped a DVD with k9copy, but it only plays sound, shows a static image, and when i try to navigate through it, it jumps back to the beginning... Does anyone know what I have to do to get a good rip?  Or is this an .avi codec issue?
[02:56] <dmcglone> what part maduser?
[02:57] <maduser> 20 miles from the city
[02:57] <Xcell> I am a electronics tech, Mostly rf tech, 2way radio.
[02:57] <alexbe01__> been to lima and defiance (only about 45 minutes from here), and yes, definitely tiny places
[02:57] <dmcglone> maduser, I'm not registered to send messages
[02:57] <alexbe01__> dmcglone: /nickserv register password email
[02:58] <dmcglone> Xcell, I am an electronics engineer
[02:58] <Xcell> nice
[02:58] <alexbe01__> that'll get you set up :)
[02:58] <Xcell> I build 10.000 watt amps.
[02:58] <dmcglone> not that I love it though, I endeed up working in healthcare
[02:58] <Xcell> from scratch, and repair ham rigs.
[02:58] <Xcell> lol
[02:58] <dmcglone> I play my guitar on 10,000 watt amps...LOL
[02:58] <Xcell> lol
[02:59] <Xcell> hahah
[02:59] <Xcell> tube i hope
[02:59] <alexbe01__> i tried playing air guitar on a 10k watt amp...  didn't make it any louder
[02:59] <maduser> Xcell: whats you call sign?
[02:59] <Xcell> wb5udi
[02:59] <maduser> are you a general?
[02:59] <Xcell> class 1
[02:59] <dmcglone> got a line 6 spider 3 half stack
[03:00] <maduser> technician/
[03:00] <maduser> technician?
[03:00] <Xcell> I quit my license in 92 when uncle sam started data mining call signs.
[03:00] <dmcglone> Ha Ha, don't you just hate uncle sam
[03:00] <maduser> yeah there monitering us
[03:00] <Xcell> I am nationally known as (Radio-Man).
[03:01] <Condoulo> I have a question about the KDE4 desktop
[03:01] <N1ghtm4r3> God i love Kubuntu lol
[03:01] <alexbe01__> !kde4
[03:01] <ubotu> KDE 4 is the next major release of the K Desktop Environment. For more information see <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDE_4>. The Release Schedule is available at http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.0_Release_Schedule. RC 1 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-rc1.php
[03:01] <alexbe01__> hrmm
[03:01] <Xcell> I had the biggest repair shop in fla between 90-95 in tampa.
[03:01] <dmcglone> kde4 is still beta
[03:01] <alexbe01__> there's a kde developer chan, that's the place to ask about kde4
[03:02] <Condoulo> ok.
[03:02] <alexbe01__> dmcglone: it hit RC already (which is roughly equivalent to SP1 of a MS product :)
[03:02] <dmcglone> I dare install it, I don't feel llike having a headache today
[03:02] <Condoulo> I was just wondering if anybody was has tested it and if it would be worth using when it comes out.
[03:02] <Xcell> Now i boot leg my services..I build huge amps..steel tube.
[03:03] <dmcglone> alexbe01 anything equivalent to an MS product isn't good enough for me
[03:03] <alexbe01__> dmcglone: just referring to the point in the release process
[03:03] <alexbe01__> at SP1, MS products are more or less usable
[03:03] <dmcglone> build me a 300,000 watt amp Xcell
[03:03] <N1ghtm4r3> wow http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/42/Kdebeta2_plasma.png
[03:03] <dmcglone> alexbe01 I know
[03:03] <Xcell> I can..4cx 4000a...
[03:03] <alexbe01__> when it hits release it will be far superior :D
[03:04] <N1ghtm4r3> this is pretty good looking ... i hope its gona be as user-friendly as kde3 tho
[03:04] <alexbe01__> N1ghtm4r3: moreso
[03:04] <Xcell> and my amps are (clean).
[03:04] <BluesKaj> Condoulo, some ppl here have successfully installed kde4 , but my 2 attempts were unsuccessful , and i still don't know what went wrong ;P
[03:04] <dmcglone> any linux beta release is equilivent to MS, but the final release surpasses MS and thats what I like
[03:04] <Xcell> lol m$
[03:04] <alexbe01__> dmcglone: exactly :)
[03:04] <dmcglone> Ah Xcell I like my amps dirty
[03:04] <alexbe01__> and that's why i switched to k/ubuntu
[03:05] <Condoulo> I am currently a GNOME user. Considering to switch over to KDE. Hence why I ask about if KDE4 will be worth it.
[03:05] <alexbe01__> (kubuntu on the desktop, ubuntu on the laptop)
[03:05] <dmcglone> well alex if you install a beta release, you might as well install MS
[03:05] <Xcell> distortion has its attributes..covering all frequencies that the ear can handle..3-24k.
[03:05] <dmcglone> LOL
[03:05] <Condoulo> I have a question about Kubuntu 7.10. Does it have that new xorg config manager that Ubuntu 7.10 has?
[03:06] <alexbe01__> dmcglone: nope, because i can upgrade and surpass MS shortly afterward
[03:06] <N1ghtm4r3> I tried gnome for a while
[03:06] <N1ghtm4r3> hated it
[03:06] <dmcglone> Xcell I have a bionic ear
[03:06] <alexbe01__> Condoulo: not *yet*
[03:06] <BluesKaj> Xcell, as long as it's harmonic distortion I can dig it :)
[03:06] <alexbe01__> hardy is supposed to have it
[03:06] <Xcell> Then you have troubles.
[03:06] <dmcglone> LOL X, nah not at all
[03:06] <Xcell> mossfet cant handle distortion.
[03:07] <Condoulo> alexbe01_- That means Kubuntu is safe with my video card for another... 4-5 months? whoo. But by the time Heron comes out, I will probably get a video card that is better supported. (to tell the truth, the new xorg manger in Ubuntu sucks with ATI cards.)
[03:07] <dmcglone> you might find this hard to believe, but I am deaf and have been playing guitar for about 13 years
[03:08] <Xcell> ati I have seen stinks with linux.
[03:08] <N1ghtm4r3> I hated Ubuntu because my video card realy hates me and gnome. Switched to KDE3 to see  , I tought It was gona be the same lol .. then i fell in love!
[03:08] <BluesKaj> <--still has an old Heathkit AA29 amp with germanium transistors in the outputs :)
[03:08] <dmcglone> my ati radeon 200m works great with linux
[03:08] <Xcell> t03 case..nice Blue.
[03:08] <Condoulo> I have an ATI Radeon Xpress 200
[03:08] <N1ghtm4r3> i have a ATI Radeon 9250 256Mb AGP ... it cant handle Gnome so well
[03:09] <dmcglone> condoulo same here
[03:09] <alexbe01__> Xcell: ati is slowly getting better
[03:09] <BluesKaj> Condoulo, same here
[03:09] <alexbe01__> not perfect yet, but i have high hopes :)
[03:09] <N1ghtm4r3> true
[03:09] <Condoulo> What I had to do to even get 7.10, is to install Ubuntu 7.04 first, then install the ATI drivers, then do the upgrade.
[03:09] <dmcglone> alexbe: mine works great
[03:09] <Xcell> Germanium is high voltage switching.70 volt line.
[03:09] <dmcglone> I used the drivers straight from ATI
[03:10] <BluesKaj> ati 200m and 200g , very common grfx cards
[03:10] <Xcell> Closest thing to tubes.
[03:10] <Condoulo> I am wanting to get a new nVidia card anyway because I don't like the fact that my ATI graphics is integrated.
[03:10] <N1ghtm4r3> used Wine cglone?
[03:10] <BluesKaj> Xcell, i built this amp in 1972
[03:10] <dmcglone> I never did care for nvidia
[03:10] <Xcell> heath kit?
[03:10] <BluesKaj> yup
[03:11] <dmcglone> N1ghtm no, ATI provides drivers for linux on their site
[03:11] <N1ghtm4r3> Conduoulo , I heard that if ATI hates Gnome , well Nvidia LOATH KDE
[03:11] <Xcell> nice..i have a couple old hk's they use 3-500z tubes.
[03:11] <Xcell> 5000 plate voltage.
[03:11] <dmcglone> them tubes are expensive to replace
[03:12] <Xcell> nah 90 us dollars now..and they are now graphite.
[03:12] <N1ghtm4r3> Is there a version of Kubuntu for Cell/PowerPc processors? my bro wants to install Kubuntu on his ps3
[03:12] <dmcglone> cost about 200.00 bucks a pop for a tube for a marshall head
[03:12] <Xcell> ya marshal is expensive but quality.
[03:12] <dmcglone> yeah
[03:12] <BluesKaj> N1ghtm4r3, what cpu speed ?
[03:12] <Condoulo> Is there a good ATI card that would work great in Linux?
[03:12] <Xcell> is it 500 watt?
[03:12] <BluesKaj> and RAM
[03:13] <dmcglone> my dream is to have a mesa boogie
[03:13] <N1ghtm4r3> Blue , Im not sure actualy , what are the specs for a PS3?
[03:13] <dmcglone> 250 I think
[03:13] <Xcell> ah nice.
[03:13] <Xcell> peavy speakers
[03:13] <Xcell> or phisher
[03:13] <dmcglone> peavy
[03:13] <Xcell> nice
[03:14] <dmcglone> I like my line 6 though
[03:14] <Xcell> pauses for the causes..brb.
[03:14] <BluesKaj> N1ghtm4r3, prolly 500mhz and 256 ram..it's ll run kubuntu but it won't be suprer fast
[03:14] <dmcglone> it's not tube, but it has really has great tube sound
[03:14] <dmcglone> and the line 6 pod is awesome
[03:15] <N1ghtm4r3> BluesKaj, I believe its WAY higher than this , I think its a dual Cell 2.0Ghz or something like that
[03:15] <BluesKaj> P3 ?
[03:15] <N1ghtm4r3> PS3
[03:15] <N1ghtm4r3> oh
[03:15] <N1ghtm4r3> lol
[03:15] <N1ghtm4r3> no a Cell
[03:15] <dmcglone> I got an AMD turion 64 and it's blazing fast.
[03:16] <dmcglone> I pick AMD over intel any day!
[03:16] <N1ghtm4r3> Cell is pretty much similar to PowerPc (Apple's old processor , made by Motorolla i think)
[03:16] <BluesKaj> N1ghtm4r3,oh ...sorry ...nevermind , then there's no prob :)
[03:17] <N1ghtm4r3> oh btw BluesKaj, how do you do this , the kind of red message ... im not used to IRC .. i usualy use IM programs
[03:17] <BluesKaj> <amd 64  3200+ venice...fastest pc i ever owned , but i keep my computers around for yrs
[03:18] <dmcglone> I keep my computers around for years also. I stil have an IBM Aptiva with a k6
[03:18] <BluesKaj> N1ghtm4r3, you use the person's nick in the sentence
[03:18] <Xcell> lol aptive..sounds like a m$ appetite.
[03:19] <dmcglone> that was the very first computer I put linux on
[03:19] <N1ghtm4r3> BluesKaj, so all i gota do is type its name?
[03:19] <Xcell> wow 96 version
[03:19] <dmcglone> it's like 11 years old
[03:19] <N1ghtm4r3> the nickname*
[03:20] <BluesKaj> 233mhz MMX P2 ..ran sue and knoppix, fedora even debian
[03:20] <BluesKaj> yes N1ghtm4r3
[03:21] <dmcglone> I ran RH up till it switched to fedora, then tried mandrake briefly then suse for a while, then found kubuntu
[03:21] <Xcell> I had hp 233's worked well..seemed very solid.
[03:21] <BluesKaj> N1ghtm4r3, when use my nick it comes up red on my text
[03:21] <N1ghtm4r3> BluesKaj that is pretty awesome o_O
[03:21] <BluesKaj> sue=suse
[03:21] <dmcglone> still have em X?
[03:21] <N1ghtm4r3> N1ghtm4r3 LOL AUTO SPAM! MUHAHA
[03:22] <Xcell> no I sold them into slavery.
[03:22] <N1ghtm4r3> but yeah
[03:22] <N1ghtm4r3> I pretty much tried only 3 different Linux distros in my life
[03:22] <N1ghtm4r3> i have so much to discover! *crycry*
[03:22] <dmcglone> I'm using an old Dell that I refurb'd as one of my servers
[03:22] <Xcell> intel
[03:23] <dmcglone> gave the IBM to my kids
[03:23] <BluesKaj> I managed to get bsd on the 233  too but it wouldn't recognize any of the hardware
[03:23] <dmcglone> Yeah it's got a PII
[03:23] <Xcell> ah
[03:23] <N1ghtm4r3> I tried , Ubuntu 7.04 , tried an old version of Knoppix on LiveCd , am runing Kubuntu 7.10 at the moment
[03:23] <Xcell> I love amd..it rocks.
[03:23] <dmcglone> me to
[03:23] <dmcglone> I almost despise intel
[03:24] <Xcell> me 2.
[03:24] <N1ghtm4r3> hey! gimme a break dude im stuck on intel cause i cant afford anything else
[03:24] <N1ghtm4r3> next comp i get tho i'll do exactly like i did for this one .. i wont buy any OS with it and install linux on it asap
[03:24] <N1ghtm4r3> lol
[03:24] <dmcglone> N1, no problem. We all been in that boat.
[03:24] <Xcell> intel aint cheaper.
[03:25] <N1ghtm4r3> no i mean .. the comp i could actualy afford had an intel
[03:25] <Xcell> k
[03:25] <N1ghtm4r3> so guess what i got now *shrug*
[03:25] <BluesKaj> intel's new dual cpu blows amd out of the water on the benchmarks I'm afraid
[03:25] <dmcglone> X the celron's are cheap
[03:25] <Xcell> ur fine...enjoy.
[03:25] <N1ghtm4r3> lol x
[03:25] <dmcglone> Blues, you believe all that hype?
[03:26] <Xcell> ya celeron I cant handle..like having a 2 barrel 500 horse power motor.
[03:26] <dmcglone> LOL X
[03:26] <N1ghtm4r3> Compaq EVO , Intel Pentium 4 1.7Ghz , 640Mb SDRAM , ATI Radeon 9250 256Mb AGP , Quantum Fireball 40Gb , Seagate 80Gb both IDE
[03:26] <dmcglone> the cheaper version of celeron doesn't have any onboard cache, and it sucks
[03:27] <N1ghtm4r3> it sucks
[03:27] <BluesKaj> dmcglone, well been reading about it ... dunno if the mags have reason to lie about their test results
[03:27] <dmcglone> well for starters it's a Compaq, no wonder it sucks!
[03:27] <dmcglone> LOL
[03:27] <N1ghtm4r3> lol true dmc
[03:27] <Xcell> ya like the shiny new doggy in the window=celeron.
[03:27] <dmcglone> BluesKaj Intel probablly paid that mag to say what they did
[03:27] <BluesKaj> hmmm, mine's a compaq with amd 64
[03:27] <N1ghtm4r3> the only thing i like about my comp is that i will never have to worry about my powersupply
[03:27] <dmcglone> LOL
[03:27] <N1ghtm4r3> aparently its very good lol
[03:28] <dmcglone> IBM, Dell and HP are the brand I trust
[03:28] <dmcglone> IBM and HP more so than Dell
[03:28] <N1ghtm4r3> i used to hate HP and Dell for some reason
[03:29] <Xcell> I use 600 watt switching supplies they handle the load..just make sure it has a push pull fanage.
[03:29] <N1ghtm4r3> HP =  bundled crap
[03:29] <N1ghtm4r3> Dell = no service ..
[03:29] <dmcglone> N1Ghtm, your talking about an HP and a dell with windows on them
[03:29] <dmcglone> LOL
[03:29] <Xcell> oi
[03:29] <Xcell> lol
[03:29] <dmcglone> I'm talking hardware wise
[03:30] <N1ghtm4r3> IBM = dunno .. the only IBM i could experience where the old ones in my school ... P2 133 lol
[03:30] <N1ghtm4r3> or 333?
[03:30] <dmcglone> IBM doesn't make personal computers much anymore
[03:30] <N1ghtm4r3> DMC , i actualy tried knoppix on that other dell and it sucked just as much
[03:31] <Xcell> I started on a ps286 ibm back in 96..a whole (12) mhz..xtreeGold brought it to a whopping 40 mhz..lol
[03:31] <dmcglone> I can understand that.
[03:31] <N1ghtm4r3> my dell comp was f*cked anyway ... tried to contact technical support to get info to how fixing it and stuff ... they never actualy answered .. now its in a closet colecting massive amount of dust
[03:32] <dmcglone> mine was a 286 with I think 32 Mb of ram and 4 gig drive
[03:32] <Xcell> All I had to do is put a set of wheels on it , and drive away.
[03:32] <N1ghtm4r3> lol x
[03:32] <dmcglone> N!ghtm wanna sell it
[03:32] <Xcell> I had 8 megs
[03:32] <dmcglone> I could have it working lilke new in 1 day
[03:32] <dmcglone> LOL
[03:32] <N1ghtm4r3> nah my mom uses it as a security thingie now , seted it up for her last time i went to her house
[03:32] <dmcglone> heck I used to have a comadore 64
[03:33] <N1ghtm4r3> it has great memory yet not a lot , it also works on SCSI
[03:33]  * BluesKaj wonders when the ops are gonna give us the OT warning :)
[03:33] <Xcell> not me..i was around when they came out..i am 47 today...tomorrow i'll be 37..again.
[03:33] <N1ghtm4r3> its an old server comp that we got for almost nothing
[03:33] <dmcglone> I don't think well get in trouble if nobody is asking questions to answer
[03:34] <groovesalad> i removed cupsys through adept, which removed additional packages i didnt notice- i did a ctrl c when i noticed. upon restart, kdm wont start. what should i install/do?
[03:34] <N1ghtm4r3> dmcglone , ?
[03:34] <BluesKaj> dmcglone, shhhhhh.......
[03:34] <Xcell> its friday..the office is closed except for inquirers.
[03:34] <dmcglone> groovesalad try: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[03:34] <groovesalad> k thx
[03:34] <dmcglone> LOL Blues
[03:35] <BluesKaj> why remove cups , groovesalad ?
[03:35] <N1ghtm4r3> is there actualy a linux prayer?
[03:35] <Xcell> ya
[03:35] <dmcglone> N1, no but there is an M$ prayer
[03:35] <dmcglone> LOL
[03:35] <Xcell> re-covering linuxaholics
[03:36] <BluesKaj> N1ghtm4r3, for audio - amarok
[03:36] <N1ghtm4r3> sudo apt-get digest the-christ's-body
[03:36] <groovesalad> i dotn have a printer
[03:36] <N1ghtm4r3> something like that?
[03:36] <Xcell> sudo apt-get remove./bill gates
[03:36] <dmcglone> bill gates prayer goes something like this: Dear lord, we are gathered here today to pray that linux would just dissapear.
[03:36] <N1ghtm4r3> BluesKaj , i know about the audio lol its the fist thing i seted up when i installed kubuntu yesterday night
[03:37] <N1ghtm4r3> Actualy think about it
[03:37] <BluesKaj> groovesalad, no matter , removing it isn't necessary
[03:37] <N1ghtm4r3> Linux isnt much of a treath for WinDose
[03:37] <dmcglone> if they don't I will start suing anyone and everyone for anything and everything I can think of
[03:37] <N1ghtm4r3> for M$ i mean lol
[03:37] <groovesalad> i didnt want to be bothered with updates to it either
[03:37] <BluesKaj> N1ghtm4r3, was funnin ya , eveyone has their favs
[03:38] <groovesalad> and i dont want hplips or whatever to load when i boot up
[03:38] <N1ghtm4r3> Blueskaj, yeah i love amarok
[03:38] <Xcell> Actually,(with its freedom) Linux is easier to learn than windoze.
[03:38] <dmcglone> Xcell, where did you get that?
[03:38] <Xcell> Thought process.
[03:39] <N1ghtm4r3> WinDo$e is easier to learn in my opinion .. only cause it lets you fuck it up so easily
[03:39] <dmcglone> that can't be true, because there's actually nothing in windows to learn. It doesn't take an einstein to move a mouse. LOL
[03:39] <Xcell> Thats my point dmcGLONE.
[03:39] <dmcglone> N1, there's nothing to learn about windows, so of course it's easy
[03:39] <Xcell> oops
[03:39] <N1ghtm4r3> once you fucked windose enough you just yell 'SCREW THIS IM GOING LINUX'
[03:39] <BluesKaj> I like the CLI options on linux , altho I'm an old windows guy ....never did dos tho...din't discover the fun of computers til after i retired
[03:40] <PriceChild> !guidelines | N1ghtm4r3
[03:40] <ubotu> N1ghtm4r3: The people here are volunteers, your attitude should reflect that. Answers are not always available. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[03:40] <Xcell> lol N1ghtm4r3
[03:40] <N1ghtm4r3> aw dude!
[03:40] <dmcglone> LOL someone got yelled at
[03:40] <N1ghtm4r3> yeah!
[03:40] <N1ghtm4r3> fun fun fun!
[03:40] <N1ghtm4r3> no big deal lol
[03:40] <dmcglone> to top it off it was a "robot" that yelled at you
[03:40] <dmcglone> LOL
[03:41] <N1ghtm4r3> yeah
[03:41] <N1ghtm4r3> i bet it kicks me if i do it again?
[03:41]  * genii sips a coffee
[03:41] <Xcell> time to let the hair down politely and converse about the times and why bill gates stinks..lol.
[03:41] <dmcglone> I got kicked the other day  for this:
[03:41] <bazhang> N1ghtm4r3: good guess
[03:41] <BluesKaj> just don't get outta hand with the language and the capital letters and you'll be ok
[03:41]  * N1ghtm4r3 dances to the music of EastClubbers
[03:41] <dmcglone> !asshole
[03:41] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about asshole - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[03:41] <dmcglone> LMAO
[03:41] <dmcglone> bye
[03:41] <N1ghtm4r3> HAHAHAH
[03:41] <sub[t]rnl> lol
[03:42] <Xcell> dmcglone:  chill buddy.. be congenial.
[03:42]  * genii slides stdin a coffee and some aspirin
[03:42]  * stdin downs both in one go
[03:42] <sub[t]rnl> rofl
[03:42] <bazhang> dmcglone is really active on kubuntu mailing lists--odd
[03:43] <Xcell> dmcglone is just letting off steam..he is a good guy.
[03:43] <BluesKaj> he got carried away
[03:43] <N1ghtm4r3> anyway peoples im leaving for now , im gona try my freshly installed Condition-Zero on Wine lol
[03:43] <bazhang> he is indeed--very helpful normally
[03:43] <N1ghtm4r3> see ya!
[03:43] <Xcell> I think he did it on purpose to leave without being rude.
[03:43]  * N1ghtm4r3 leaves
[03:44] <sub[t]rnl> he knew it was coming
[03:44] <genii> Any actual pending support questions? ;)
[03:44] <bazhang> fer sure
[03:44] <groovesalad> kubuntu-desktop didnt work, anything else?
[03:45] <Xcell> k doing things will re-boot shortly..brb
[03:45] <genii> groovesalad: Please recap your issue, I just got here :)
[03:46] <groovesalad> i removed cupsys through adept, which removed additional packages i didnt notice- i did a ctrl c when i noticed. upon restart, kdm wont start. what should i install/do?
[03:47] <genii> you just did the kubuntu-desktop reinstall?
[03:47] <groovesalad> i see a cursor, xserver seems to work
[03:47] <groovesalad> ya i reinstalled
[03:47] <genii> groovesalad: Did you do: sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart ?
[03:48] <groovesalad> sweet thank you that did it
[03:48] <genii> :)
[03:48]  * genii sips his coffee
[03:48] <sub[t]rnl> +1 genii
[03:49]  * sub[t]rnl sips
[03:49]  * genii tops off everyone's mugs
[03:49] <BluesKaj> !botsnack | genii
[03:49] <ubotu> genii: Yum! Err, I mean, APT!
[03:49] <genii> !helpersnack
[03:49] <ubotu> Wow! You're such a great helper, you deserve a cookie!
[03:49] <genii> ;)
[03:50] <genii> Seems quiet tonight
[03:50] <maduser> when using wine after i install awindows program should i restart my computer?
[03:51]  * BluesKaj tries to remember the bot cmnds ...but it's late 
[03:51] <m4v> maduser: I don't think so, I never did that when using wine ...
[03:51] <BluesKaj> maduser, usually not necessary
[03:52] <maduser> ok
[03:52] <BluesKaj> nite all
[03:52] <Xcell> nite blue
[03:53] <maduser> bull
[03:53] <maduser> wine was configured to windows 2000
[03:54] <maduser> I believe thats bad
[03:54] <Xcell> win2k is more stable than win 95 version cwich was the stablest version at the time
[03:54] <Xcell> c
[03:54] <Xcell> version   C
[03:55] <Xcell> When you install win..dont upgrade..and use explorer 5.5..thats all.
[03:56] <Xcell> nuff of gates garbage..
[03:57] <Xcell> Think: if win has the handle on games.(and thats all) why use it?
[03:59] <genii> windows also has an advantage in the packaging method... everything is an exe or msi. In linux you have all the different install methods which confuses new users
[03:59] <genii> "how come I can't ue this rpm?" (when in a debian based dist)  etc
[03:59] <Xcell> But that endorses the user to learn.
[04:00] <Xcell> Linux is more logically inclined..code is sparatic in nature.
[04:00] <genii> most ppl don't care to learn things, they just want to download and install a program usually, etc
[04:00] <Xcell> see
[04:01] <bazhang> true. but familiar does not mean superior
[04:01] <Xcell> That speaks volumes about windoze users.
[04:01] <bazhang> more roaches than humans on earth
[04:02] <genii> bazhang: I agree :) My stance is just that most users migrating from an MS mindset think: Why can't I download and run this thing and it just puts the app on my box? etc
[04:02] <Xcell> imagine the back doors windoze users don't know about while bragging.
[04:02] <genii> "wheres intall.exe or setup.exe" or so on
[04:02] <bazhang> genii: and that is why you are priceless :} educating said users
[04:04] <Xcell> I am a beginner in the linux field..and via the ligical, I see it as forth coming to the future of computing for (free) thinkers.
[04:04] <genii> bazhang: Well, if all linux application packages used some universal system (besides source/make ;)  )  more ppl would convert
[04:04] <Xcell> its coming genii
[04:04] <genii> brb turning porch light on for deliveryman :)
[04:05] <bazhang> genii: excellent point, and I agree with Xcell :}
[04:05] <jelousbuddy> what does stupid paki mean? has any of you ever felt any great pain? how was it? !!! was it accident? how bad can it be if i am in a car accident for ex got hit by a train but still alive? or half burnt my entire skin including eyes? how about heart attack / failure?
[04:06] <Xcell> My only hope is , That corps dont saturate the field and ruin it through controlled greediness.
[04:06] <bazhang> jelousbuddy: please stop--this is a support channel
[04:07] <bazhang> Xcell: that train has left the station--they are on their way out
[04:07] <jelousbuddy> ok then
[04:07] <jelousbuddy> which version of linux is kde?
[04:07] <stdin> it's not any version
[04:07] <Xcell> Amen bazhang.
[04:07] <bazhang> jelousbuddy: kubuntu
[04:08] <bazhang> only answer possible :}
[04:08] <Xcell> brb
[04:08] <jelousbuddy> bazhang why would somebody prefer kde over gnome? what are the main benefits in few words?
[04:08] <genii> jelousbuddy: kde is not a version of linus, it is a window managing system "like a "skin system" sort of... for the part of linux that gives you a graphical interface
[04:08] <genii> linus->linux
[04:08] <stdin> jelousbuddy: this isn't the channel for that, this is a support channel
[04:09] <bazhang> jelousbuddy: join #kubuntu-offtopic
[04:10] <jelousbuddy> bazhang why do people join a channel and not leave and talk?
[04:10] <Xcell> I did a test..linux just out did windoze in the app start..amazing.
[04:11] <Xcell> windoze would have locked up chocking and ghasping for more ramage...lol.
[04:11] <bazhang> jelousbuddy: if you have a support question this is the place offtopic is for offtopic stuff
[04:11] <Xcell> nuff said
[04:12] <bazhang> hardy is even faster
[04:12] <jelousbuddy> bazhang> why are you so edgy?
[04:12] <bazhang> but that is waaay offtopic
[04:12] <Xcell> should I try bazhang?
[04:12] <jelousbuddy> :) can i smile? what are you thinking when i smile?
[04:12] <bazhang> jelousbuddy: too much kaffeine
[04:12] <Xcell> I have xtra hd's.
[04:12] <bazhang> Xcell: on a test machine
[04:13] <Xcell> k
[04:13] <Xcell> might just do it
[04:13] <Xcell> jelousbuddy: are you mentally ill?..
[04:14] <bazhang> jelousbuddy: there are ops who watch this channel, so best stop the chitchat
[04:14] <jelousbuddy> xcell when do you call someone mentally ill? when they are scared and screming and stuff?
[04:14] <stdin> jelousbuddy: stop that
[04:14] <jelousbuddy> stop telling me to stop that i am not a dog ey
[04:14] <sub[t]rnl> ruh roh
[04:15]  * m4v waits for it
[04:15] <ardchoille> Don't feed the troll folks :)
[04:15]  * stdin get's his "op" on
[04:15] <sub[t]rnl> lol
[04:15] <bazhang> uhoh
[04:15] <ardchoille> stdin: :)
[04:15] <Xcell> nice.
[04:15] <stdin> jelousbuddy: that was a warning, please don't try to disrupt this channel again
[04:15] <jelousbuddy> what does banning and kicking off the channel actually do? why do i feel scared when you do this?
[04:16] <Xcell> guilty
[04:16] <bazhang> I noticed that when adding certain apps that the panel does a kind of refresh--is that something to be concerned about, or par for the course?
[04:16] <bazhang> like the panel will just disappear for a moment and then reappear
[04:16] <Xcell> why the concern bazhang..should that be ok?.or not.
[04:16] <Xcell> ah
[04:17] <Xcell> I had that happen yesterday
[04:17] <bazhang> no apparent long term effects that I can tell--just odd
[04:17] <stdin> bazhang: that's just kicker refreshing itself, reloading it's graphics
[04:17] <Xcell> seems reasonable.
[04:18] <bazhang> stdin: thanks! much appreciated :}
[04:18] <Xcell> but mine stayed gone..lol..didnt know how to restore so re-installed..what a chore.
[04:20] <bazhang> Xcell: perhaps next time look in the configure desktop setting and try to set the panel elsewhere? that has worked for me in the past
[04:20] <Xcell> I'm still in theincubation stages of learning.
[04:20] <Xcell> will do.
[04:21] <Xcell> nice tip.
[04:22] <sub[t]rnl> you can also start the panel manually (alt +f2 -> kicker)
[04:22] <sub[t]rnl> if it ever disappears again
[04:22] <sub[t]rnl> 2 cents
[04:23] <Xcell> did that it was still gone..plus..when i did have a new panel the icons did not represent the memory (stored-info) that was stored..
[04:24] <Xcell> conclusion..re-install..lol.
[04:24] <Xcell> even did a    touch /forcefsck
[04:25] <Xcell> still learning though..pretty ignorant so far.
[04:31] <bazhang> Xcell: a reinstall is usually not necessary as far as I know
[04:31] <Xcell> I realixe that. but i had no idea as to how to fix the willfully missing panel.
[04:32] <elisiano> I have some issues with kmilo, is this the right place to ask?
[04:32] <bazhang> Xcell: I did reinstalls in the beginning--it was the helpful folks here who told me otherwise
[04:33] <bazhang> elisiano: what issues?
[04:33] <flaccid_> how to change the alt + tab behaviour?
[04:33] <adamonline45> Well, I can't see the tooltips in GIMP.  I've determined that changing my KDE color scheme will let me see the tooltips.  When editing my colors in my custom color palette, though, I don't see anything relating TO to tooltips... Does anyone know what I'd have to change?  I presume the color's tied to some other entities color...  I KNOW someone's gone through this before 8)
[04:33] <elisiano> on my notebook it's all fine after an upgrade, but on my desktop when I rise the volume it's stuck at 11%
[04:34] <adamonline45> elisiano: Have you checked KMix?
[04:34] <elisiano> it's not a kmix issue
[04:34] <elisiano> I read that it's kmilo related
[04:35] <adamonline45> elisiano: Ahh... I wish I could help you there 8) gl!
[04:39] <Pilot> My Firefox requests the Java Runtime Environment Plugin.  Is this not the sun-java6-jre package in adept?  I have this installed but Firefox still requests the plugin be installed.
[04:41] <xevious-> my friend has a system with a nvidia 8800 gtx and the live cd loads up and the screen goes black after the "Kernel Alive" message
[04:41] <xevious-> any updated live CDs that work better with newer nvidia cards?
[04:42] <xevious-> this is on a 64bit system
[04:45] <elisiano> adamonline45: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdeutils/+bug/118723 (found some solutions there)
[04:45] <stdin> xevious: tell them to try with the safe graphics mode option
[04:57] <xevious> yo, linuxwizard. do you know, like, everything... about linucks? d00d?
[04:57] <xevious> cuz i need help
[04:57] <xevious> and a pointy hat. do you have one of those, too?
[04:57] <xevious> you know, those wizard hats...
[04:59] <Pilot> My Firefox requests the Java Runtime Environment Plugin.  Is this not the sun-java6-jre package in adept?  I have this installed but Firefox still requests the plugin be installed.
[05:00] <Dr_willis> Pilot,  odd.. Try installing the 'kubuntu-restricted-extras' package
[05:00] <stdin> Pilot: you need to install "sun-java6-plugin" for the plugin
[05:02] <Pilot> stdin: Thanks mate :)
[05:06] <joos> hola
[05:07] <stdin> !es
[05:07] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, allí obtendrá más ayuda.
[05:07] <Cannoli> hey
[05:07] <Cannoli> im having some issues with my ati driver installation. i did wht the instructions told me to do but im not getting the right fglrxinfo output
[05:09] <Cannoli> im suppose to be getting something similar to
[05:09] <Cannoli> $ fglrxinfo
[05:09] <Cannoli> display: :0.0  screen: 0
[05:09] <Cannoli> OpenGL vendor string: ATI Technologies Inc.
[05:09] <Cannoli> OpenGL renderer string: RADEON 9700 Generic
[05:09] <Cannoli> OpenGL version string: 2.0.5755 (8.24.8)
[05:09] <Cannoli> but im getting
[05:09] <oobe> download the latest kernel wget http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/Historic/linux-0.01.tar.bz2
[05:10] <Cannoli> wht am i suppose to do with that?
[05:10] <oobe> sorry
[05:10] <oobe> nothing
[05:10] <Cannoli> ok
[05:10] <oobe> was a joke not directed to u really
[05:10] <Cannoli> $ fglrxinfo
[05:10] <Cannoli> display: :0.0  screen: 0
[05:10] <Cannoli> OpenGL vendor string: Mesa project: www.mesa3d.org
[05:10] <Cannoli> OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect
[05:10] <Cannoli> OpenGL version string: 1.4 (2.1 Mesa 7.0.1)
[05:10] <Cannoli> thats wht im getting
[05:10] <stdin> !paste | Cannoli
[05:10] <ubotu> Cannoli: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[05:10] <Cannoli> oh sorry about that
[05:10] <Cannoli> forgot about the pastebin
[05:11] <Cannoli> but yea i followed the troubleshooting instructions too but still xserver does not seem to start
[05:11] <Cannoli> -_-
[05:11] <oobe> did you tell xorg to use the ati driver?
[05:12] <oobe> in xorg.conf
[05:12] <oobe> looks like its still using Mesa
[05:12] <oobe> an easy way to install the ati driver is to use envy
[05:12] <Cannoli> go on
[05:13] <oobe> download and install envy
[05:13] <oobe> google envy
[05:13] <stdin> do not use envy...
[05:13] <Cannoli> brb
[05:13] <Cannoli> gotta pick up my dad
[05:13] <oobe> what wrong with envy
[05:13] <Dr_willis> it can trash your system
[05:14] <stdin> it breaks a lot, and it's not supported
[05:14] <Dr_willis> ive never had issues with the restricted-manager installing my ati drivers.
[05:15] <oobe> ok fair enough
[05:15] <oobe> i used to just download the nvidia binaries directly from there site
[05:15] <oobe> cause i make my own kernel then i started using envy and havent had a problem with that either
[05:16] <stdin> we have a response for that too :)
[05:16] <stdin> !worksforme
[05:16] <ubotu> Common Sense: Just because you can, does not mean you should (and especially recommend to others). Think before you do. "Works for me" does not mean it is ok. The latest version of everything is not always useful if you aim for stability. Please see http://geekosophical.net/random/worksforme/
[05:16] <unix_infidel> oobe: envy works well?
[05:16] <Dr_willis> The problem is often that someone that has NO idea how linux works.. and is trained in a 'windows mentality' tries to use it.. then gets mad at us when it does trash their system.
[05:16] <unix_infidel> i dont understand the necessity of having a 3d graphics driver.
[05:17] <unix_infidel> especially when you're using applications that dont require 3d.
[05:17] <unix_infidel> which is most linux users.
[05:17] <Dr_willis> I dont understand why Nvidia and ati both cant allow it to be include..
[05:17] <stdin> at least we have intel on our side
[05:17] <oobe> yeah i would like to include it
[05:18] <Dr_willis> Yea. Good old intel.. but.. well.. do they have any decent high end 3d cards yet?
[05:18] <oobe> i dont use 3d acceleration but i need it for twinview i know there are other ways but its easy
[05:18] <Dr_willis> Twinview and tv out. and better video playback.
[05:18] <xevious> stdin: back to that 8800gtx issue: it goes black in safe graphics mode too
[05:19] <Dr_willis> and on a few of my box's i need the nvidia driver or the monitors settings dont get set right. (wide screen)
[05:19] <stdin> xevious: that's why I said the alternate cd is your best bet then
[05:19] <unix_infidel> oobe: not if you're using ati it's not easy.
[05:20] <unix_infidel> oobe: and you are serious about needing ATI for twinview, i've never tried it.
[05:20] <oobe> i use nvidia so i wouldnt know
[05:20] <Dr_willis> ATI has its own alternative to Twinview.
[05:20] <unix_infidel> no i mean needing 3d ati drivers.
[05:20] <Dr_willis> Nvidia has 'Twinview' ati calle it somthing else..
[05:20] <oobe> the guy that was here asking about his ati card
[05:20] <unix_infidel> well, let me ask it this way.
[05:21] <unix_infidel> If i have two monitors and one GPU. Do i need 3d drivers to handle them.
[05:21] <Dr_willis> unix_infidel,  on my systems.. yes i do...
[05:21] <unix_infidel> and do i need 3d drivers to make it "usable" (note: different from functional)
[05:23] <oobe> i need 3d drivers so when i type glxgears it makes those little gears movie round
[05:29] <moparisthebest> I installed mythbuntu via
[05:29] <moparisthebest> apt-get install mythbuntu-desktop
[05:29] <moparisthebest> how would I go about removing it?
[05:30] <sub[t]rnl> apt-get remove
[05:30] <moparisthebest> apt-get remove mythbuntu-desktop is what I have tried, it just removes the meta-package and leaves all the other junk
[05:30] <stdin> moparisthebest: "apt-get autoremove"
[05:31] <moparisthebest> apt-get autoremove does nothing as well
[05:32] <stdin> moparisthebest: how about "sudo apt-get autoremove mythbuntu-desktop"  ?
[05:32] <oobe> why do you want to remove it?
[05:32] <moparisthebest> my tv tuner card ended up not working, so I want to get rid of that
[05:33] <moparisthebest> ill give that a try stdin
[05:33] <Dr_willis> Yep - with the use of meta packages - removing  things can get a bit complex.
[05:33] <Dr_willis> I use MythTV as a Video Player for my PC/TV.
[05:33] <Dr_willis> I rarely record shows with it.
[05:33] <Dr_willis> its also good as a UPNP server for the rest of the lan
[05:33] <oobe> did you try the linuxtv drivers
[05:34] <moparisthebest> still just wants to remove the meta-package stdin
[05:34] <moparisthebest> actually others reported this card working with linux, but I couldn't get it to work
[05:34] <moparisthebest> i just finished building a media center box anyhow, so ill try it again with that
[05:34]  * genii fills up Dr_willis' hard drive with endless footage of Americas Funniest Videos
[05:34] <moparisthebest> I just want to get mythbuntu off my laptop and get it back to kubuntu
[05:35] <Dr_willis> genii,  i perfer animal planet - funny animal videos.
[05:35] <oobe> i guess its not that important to you but sounds like you can get it working i will help you if you want
[05:35] <genii> Dr_willis: :)
[05:35] <stdin> moparisthebest: try with aptitude then, reinstall the package then use "sudo aptitude remove mythbuntu-desktop"
[05:35] <Dr_willis> stdin,  i was going to say that.. but it seems extreme
[05:35] <oobe> i dont have mythbuntu-desktop installed but i use all the other mythbuntu packages
[05:35] <stdin> moparisthebest: or you could do "sudo apt-get remove displayconfig-gtk gdm gnome-screensaver gsfonts-x11 gtk2-engines-mythbuntu mythbuntu-artwork-usplash mythbuntu-control-centre mythbuntu-default-settings mythbuntu-gdm-theme mythtv-common restricted-manager thunar update-manager xfce4-mcs-manager xfce4-mcs-plugins xfce4-mixer xfce4-panel xfce4-session xfce4-terminal xfce4-utils xfdesktop4 xfwm4" :p
[05:36] <stdin> up to you
[05:36] <moparisthebest> it just removed the meta package again
[05:36] <moparisthebest> ah, I was looking for a list like that stdin, where did you find it? :)
[05:36] <genii> !helpersnack | stdin
[05:36] <ubotu> stdin: Wow! You're such a great helper, you deserve a cookie!
[05:37] <stdin> moparisthebest: "apt-cache show mythbuntu-desktop |grep Depends" (with some things removed, lice acpi)
[05:37] <stdin> s/lice/like/
[05:38] <moparisthebest> ill have to remember that for next time, thanks
[05:39] <stdin> when you install a meta-package, it's best to use aptitude. it remembers dependencies better and will remove orphaned packages if it can
[05:39] <oobe> moparisthebest, are you in mythbuntu-desktop now?
[05:39] <moparisthebest> no oobe, I still used KDE
[05:39] <moparisthebest> stdin, are the commands for aptitude the same as for apt-get, I have always used the latter
[05:40] <oobe> why dont u just fix ur tuner?
[05:40] <stdin> mostly yes, "install" "remove" are the same
[05:40] <moparisthebest> oobe, I built a PC for a dedicated media center box, so im going to get it working there
[05:42] <oobe> fair enough
[05:43] <oobe> i think you can use mythbuntu-control-centre to remove everything
[05:44] <oobe> then remove mythbuntu-control-centre
[05:44] <moparisthebest> I just ended up removing all the packages it depended on, like stdin said
[05:45] <moparisthebest> has anyone in here ever profiled your readahead?
[05:45] <moparisthebest> and if so did your internet quit working right afterwards?
[05:46] <SudoKing> is there a way to run a .bat file/
[05:47] <spiniker> any one knows how to run awn?
[05:47] <stdin> SudoKing: in wine probably
[05:47] <moparisthebest> SudoKing, not directly that I know of, but they are easily converted, how long is it?
[05:47] <oobe> i tried using wine it doesnt work
[05:47] <spiniker> wine?
[05:47] <maduser> !wine
[05:47] <ubotu> WINE is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information, and see !AppDB for application compatibility.
[05:48] <SudoKing> well its a java bot
[05:48] <spiniker> oh im sorry different problem..
[05:48] <moparisthebest> batch is just a script though, not really a windows program
[05:48] <SudoKing> it says you can run the script on windows (the .bak file)
[05:48] <SudoKing> but you can use the java on ubuntu/linux
[05:48] <surgy> anyone wanna chit chat about pc cooling? join #kubuntu-offtopic
[05:48] <moparisthebest> SudoKing, that is very easy then, replace the ';' with ':' and there you go
[05:49] <SudoKing> but it keeps giving me errors
[05:49] <moparisthebest> SudoKing, paste it at rafb.net/paste and I'll convert it for you if you want
[05:49] <SudoKing> paste which file?
[05:49] <sub[t]rnl> spiniker: as far as a know awn is for gnome.
[05:49] <moparisthebest> the .bat file, open it in a text editor
[05:49] <sub[t]rnl> not sure if its kde ready or not
[05:50] <spiniker> yeah i know..sorry wrong channel
[05:50] <sub[t]rnl> we make up for it with kfxb though
[05:51] <sub[t]rnl> kbfx rather
[05:53] <SudoKing> moparisthebest: http://rafb.net/p/Bj88Uj59.html
[05:54] <moparisthebest> ok SudoKing, open a terminal and run this command:
[05:54] <moparisthebest> java -classpath .:./lib/pircbot.jar org.jibble.bot.BotMain
[05:54] <moparisthebest> instead of -classpath you can use -cp, on linux or windows
[05:56] <moparisthebest> and then you could also put that in a shell script so you don't have to remember it every time
[05:58] <SudoKing> moparisthebest: "Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: org/jibble/ReminderBot/ReminderBotMain"?? --> what do I do?
[05:59] <moparisthebest> what folder are you in?
[05:59] <SudoKing> i'm not in any directory, atm
[05:59] <moparisthebest> you should be in the folder with ./lib/pircbot.jar
[05:59] <SudoKing> oh
[05:59] <moparisthebest> otherwise it's not accessible
[06:00] <moparisthebest> well, the same folder you found the .bat in
[06:00] <SudoKing> ah well that's not the same folder =(
[06:01] <moparisthebest> just go into that folder
[06:01] <moparisthebest> open it in konqueror and press F4
[06:01] <SudoKing> pft I don't have Konqueror (any more)
[06:04] <moparisthebest> oh, well whatever the new one is
[06:04] <moparisthebest> dolphin I think
[06:04] <moparisthebest> personally I hate dolphin so I removed it and still use konqueror ;)
[06:05] <Daisuke_Laptop> moparisthebest: the dolphin in kde3 is NOT dolphin
[06:05] <Daisuke_Laptop> it's d3lphin, a fork that stopped development
[06:05] <Daisuke_Laptop> the *real* dolphin, in kde4, is actually quite nice
[06:07] <SudoKing> hmmm
[06:07] <SudoKing> I'm still getting TheNoClassDefFound error...
[06:07] <SudoKing> =(
[06:08] <moparisthebest> Daisuke_Laptop, so the one that comes with gutsy isn't the real one? thats heartening at least
[06:08] <moparisthebest> SudoKing, sure you are in the right folder?
[06:09] <SudoKing> i'm in the directory of the .bat file
[06:09] <SudoKing> what did you say about ; and : earlier?? =?
[06:10] <moparisthebest> ; is what windows uses and : is what linux uses (dos and bash that is)
[06:10] <moparisthebest> SudoKing, in that folder, is there an 'org' folder?
[06:10] <SudoKing> yea
[06:11] <moparisthebest> look and see if there is a file ./org/jibble/ReminderBot/ReminderBotMain.class
[06:13] <cgw> ca0106 用ALSA驱动不好使，怎么办？
[06:14] <bazhang> !cn | cgw
[06:14] <ubotu> cgw: For Ubuntu help in Chinese 您可以访问中文频道： #ubuntu-cn 或者 #ubuntu-tw  或者 #ubuntu-hk
[06:14] <SudoKing> moparisthebest: check
[06:14] <moparisthebest> in that case it should work
[06:14] <SudoKing> hm
[06:14] <moparisthebest> java -classpath .:./lib/pircbot.jar org.jibble.bot.BotMain
[06:15] <moparisthebest> change -classpath to -cp
[06:15] <moparisthebest> oh, is that the wrong classname SudoKing ?
[06:15] <cgw> shite
[06:16] <SudoKing> classname?
[06:16] <moparisthebest> what are you trying to run?
[06:17] <moparisthebest> the command I just pasted runs org.jibble.bot.BotMain
[06:17] <Xcell> KUBUNTU_ROCKS.....ahem.
[06:17] <moparisthebest> but the error you pasted was for a different class
[06:18] <maduser> isn't that why we are using it?
[06:18] <Xcell> ya
[06:18] <maduser> ah
[06:18] <Xcell> chew
[06:19] <Xcell> guzenteight
[06:19] <SudoKing> moparis: must be a copy elsewhere from a different directory.  How do I write the command for the Reminderbot (not the plain .bot)?
[06:20] <moparisthebest> the class you want to run, but instead of / use . and remove .class from the end
[06:20] <moparisthebest> so say you want to run ./org/jibble/bot/BotMain.class
[06:20] <moparisthebest> you would use java org.jibble.bot.BotMain
[06:22] <SudoKing> it gave me a list of commands
[06:22] <moparisthebest> do a 'java -version' and tell me what it says
[06:23] <SudoKing> java version "1.4.2-02"
[06:23] <SudoKing> Java(TM) 2 Runtime Environment, Standard Edition (build Blackdown-1.4.2-02)
[06:23] <SudoKing> Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM (build Blackdown-1.4.2-02, mixed mode)
[06:23] <moparisthebest> I would bet the problems you are having result from using that old version of java
[06:24] <SudoKing> pft
[06:24] <moparisthebest> remove it, and install sun-java6-jre
[06:24] <stdin> you don't need to remove it, just install suns java
[06:24] <Xcell> Ya jre 6 rules
[06:24] <Xcell> I had the same problem.
[06:24] <moparisthebest> you want it to say:
[06:24] <moparisthebest> java version "1.6.0_03"
[06:24] <moparisthebest> Java(TM) SE Runtime Environment (build 1.6.0_03-b05)
[06:24] <moparisthebest> Java HotSpot(TM) Server VM (build 1.6.0_03-b05, mixed mode)
[06:24] <stdin> and "sudo update-alternatives --config java"
[06:25] <moparisthebest> I use java all the time and Ive never had any luck with the non-sun versions
[06:25] <SudoKing> it says sun-java6-jre is already the newest version?
[06:25] <stdin> then do "sudo update-alternatives --config java"
[06:26] <stdin> and choose the java6 version
[06:26] <Xcell> stdin..that was what I missed when I deleted and installed various javas.
[06:26] <Xcell> Thanks.
[06:27] <Xcell> stdin: whats your opinion on icedtea?
[06:27] <SudoKing> ok
[06:27] <SudoKing> what next?
[06:27] <stdin> don't have an opinion on it :)
[06:27] <Xcell> k
[06:27] <SudoKing> try to run the command?
[06:27] <moparisthebest> yes SudoKing
[06:28] <stdin> Xcell: never tried it, so that why I don't have an opinion
[06:28] <moparisthebest> Xcell, I've tried it on my amd64 install and it didn't work
[06:28] <Xcell> k I wondered.
[06:28] <moparisthebest> I wanted it so I can use applets in a 64-bit browser, but no dice
[06:28] <Xcell> I had good standing with it..till I installed jre 6..big dif.
[06:29] <sigma> my laptop hard drive kept on working last night when i was watching a dvd which wasn't using it at all, its a dell d600 with a toshiba hard drive, could this have anything to do with that bug everyone is talking about?
[06:29] <Xcell> moparisthebest:  Think it was due to other reasons?
[06:31] <moparisthebest> nothing else provides a 64-bit java plugin besides icedtea Xcell, so it was the only try
[06:31] <moparisthebest> ive got a 32bit firefox with a 32 bit JRE installed as well for applets
[06:31] <moparisthebest> sigma, you could try adjusting your 'swappiness'
[06:31] <Xcell> ah I missed the 64 bit..im sorry..my bad.
[06:32] <sigma> moparisthebest: i checked the ram usage - its not using the swap (laptop has 512mb onboard)
[06:32] <moparisthebest> http://tvease.net/wiki/index.php?title=Tweak_ubuntu_for_speed about half way down 'Swapping' sigma
[06:33] <stdin> sigma: why do you want it to use swap??
[06:33] <sigma> im scared that ubuntu is killing my hard drive
[06:33] <moparisthebest> it still sped my laptop up quite a bit sigma
[06:33]  * SudoKing remembers using the Tvease tweaks page...
[06:33] <stdin> sigma: the swap IS on the hard drive
[06:33] <Xcell> lol sigma:..it onle seems so when you beat it to deathy..lol.
[06:33] <Xcell> death
[06:33] <moparisthebest> if you have 1gig of RAM, set the swappiness to 0 and you should be good
[06:34] <user_> hello room
[06:34] <sigma> stdin: i dont want it to use swap, im just worried that my laptop hdd is dying a fast and painful death
[06:34] <Dr_willis> There is that bug people were talking about that put hard drives into a 'trying to sleep too much' sort of power saving. IF you have the laptop packages installed.
[06:34] <Cannoli> hello
[06:34] <Cannoli> i was here earlier about a problem with my ati driver installation
[06:34] <sigma> because it keeps on accessing the drive when im doing absolutely nothing
[06:34] <user_> speaking of power saving....
[06:34] <stdin> sigma: you said "its not using the swap", so what's the problem?
[06:35] <stdin> sigma: it will only use swap when there is 0 memory left
[06:35] <Xcell> Dr_willis:  thats why thet converted cpu managers.
[06:35] <Dr_willis> sigma,   fire up htop and see whats running. there are cron jobs that run at diffent times.
[06:35] <Cannoli> hiya stdin
[06:36] <user_> anyone notice that when you do a fresh install of kubuntu, you get decent laptop battery life then after you update packages, your battery life gets worse
[06:36] <stdin> hi Cannoli
[06:36] <SudoKing> why does it still keep saying  "exception in thread main"
[06:36] <sigma> stdin: i don't know, every 5 sec's or so the hdd light blinks when i am doing absolutely nothing, my desktop with +- the same configuration doesn't do that at all
[06:36] <Dr_willis> There is that 'powertop' (i think) thing out you can run and it will suggest some tweaks to up your battery life.
[06:36] <user_> wonder if it's the kernel update
[06:36] <Cannoli> stdin: can u help me with my ati driver problem please
[06:36] <sigma> dr_willis: il give that a try, but can one disable these "cron jobs"?
[06:37] <stdin> Cannoli: I don't and have never used ati, so I'm not the best person to ask
[06:37] <user_> what's your ati prob
[06:37] <user_> I'll try
[06:37] <Dr_willis> sigma,  of course.. but i doubt if its going to gain you much of anything. Theres also the various laptop-mode packages that may help. or may not.
[06:37] <Cannoli> alright thanks anywayz
[06:37] <moparisthebest> Cannoli, whats the problem with it?
[06:38] <Xcell> ati is not the obvious choice for ubuntu..I have watched and learned this.
[06:38] <moparisthebest> ive had various problems with ATI drivers as well
[06:38] <Cannoli> 1.) is this really moparisthebest from the rscheating site?
[06:38] <Dr_willis> Ive been lucky with my old ati cards. :) i dont dare try new ones.
[06:38] <user_> I have a x1400 with no probs except can't run the beyrl stuff...
[06:38] <moparisthebest> yes it is Cannoli
[06:38] <Xcell> Old ati 16 meg or earlier work fine  from watching.
[06:39] <sigma> dr_willis: have you ever been able to get the tv out working on a ati mobility 9000?
[06:39] <Xcell> Seems ati is arrogant.
[06:39] <Cannoli> 2.) i installed the driver when when i rebooted i got a black screen adn it wouldn't start the x server.so i did wht the instructions told me and still nothing. my fglrxinfo is comletley wrong
[06:39] <user_> what's the ati snafu then?
[06:39] <Cannoli> haha awesome, i have an account on your site :P
[06:39] <moparisthebest> Cannoli, how did you install the driver?
[06:40] <Cannoli> !ati
[06:40] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[06:40] <Cannoli> ^^ that way
[06:40] <user_> hmm
[06:40] <sigma> i just dont want my hard drive to die! if it means going back to windows for the time being i will because laptop hard drives are just too expensive!
[06:41] <Xcell> laptop hd's are victim to software abuse by nature of crappy software...
[06:41] <moparisthebest> sigma, i had kubuntu installed on my laptop for 2 years and the mobo died before the hd did
[06:41] <user_> the way I've pretty much always done it was with the restricted drivers prog.  got online first then checked the box for the driver, waited to dl it then it auto installed then rebooted and it worked
[06:41] <user_> didn't do it manually
[06:41] <Xcell> or..by not folowing directions.
[06:41] <moparisthebest> the hd is now in use with an adapter in my media center box, still with kubuntu
[06:41] <Xcell> following
[06:42] <moparisthebest> Cannoli, Ive had great luck with a program called envy
[06:42] <moparisthebest> http://albertomilone.com/nvidia_scripts1.html
[06:42] <moparisthebest> install the .deb, give it a shot
[06:42] <Cannoli> haha alot of people have suggested i not use it
[06:43] <moparisthebest> why? I love it
[06:43] <Cannoli> someone earlier said: " it breaks a lot, and it's not supported"
[06:43] <sigma> moparisthebest: thats comforting to hear: what laptop was it?
[06:43] <user_> Cannoli, which driver you installed?  I've always used the fglrx one with no probs so far
[06:43] <moparisthebest> its the only way I ever got my ATI driver to work on my laptop
[06:43] <Xcell> scuza..my hukt on fonix fer kee bords isnt wurking.
[06:44] <moparisthebest> sigma, an emachine m6815 I think, with a hitachi 80gb HD
[06:44] <Cannoli> i dont know which driver it is, but i know that the ati driver has trouble with my card
[06:44] <Cannoli> x1650pro
[06:45] <user_> cannoli, if you give me a minute, I'll try to find an answer, okay?
[06:45] <moparisthebest> i'd give envy a shot at least, its got a command line mode in case you need to undo it on the command line later
[06:45] <Cannoli> sure
[06:45] <Cannoli> really appreciate it
[06:45] <user_> brb
[06:45] <Xcell> user: is cool.
[06:45] <sigma> if ati just gave the blueprints to the xorg people it would make life alot easier!
[06:46] <Cannoli> haha why don't they do that?
[06:46] <sigma> thats a good question
[06:46] <user_> think I found it
[06:46] <moparisthebest> ATI is going opensource isn't it?
[06:47] <user_> fire up synaptic if you have it installed
[06:47] <Dr_willis> then the nvidia people would steal the leet-haxor-secrets!
[06:47] <Xcell> sigma: you and I are on the same wave length..corps on the other hand are not.
[06:47] <Dr_willis> :)
[06:47] <sigma> xcell: yeah u got a point
[06:47] <Cannoli> its always about money -_-
[06:48] <Xcell> We are honest haxors , proprietors are ugly.
[06:48] <Cannoli> what is synaptic
[06:48] <Cannoli> !synaptic
[06:48] <ubotu> synaptic is Ubuntu's Graphical Package Manager. For a good howto see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SynapticHowto
[06:48] <sigma> moparisthebest: yeah slowly but they have left half of their chips out of the dev process, and most people who use linux use those chips
[06:48] <moparisthebest> I dont think nvidia needs to steal anything from ATI, maybe the other way around :P
[06:48] <user_> look for "xorg-driver-fglrx" and "xserver-xorg-video-ati" and that should be the ones you are looking for.
[06:48] <moparisthebest> oh, didn't know that sigma
[06:49] <Cannoli> user_: can i look for those in either add/remove programs or adept manager?
[06:49] <sigma> like my ati mobility 9000:(
[06:49] <user_> lemme see
[06:49] <Xcell> didnt nvidia buy out ati>>and them ati was bought out by some one else?..talk about control.
[06:50] <moparisthebest> sigma, my laptop had an ATI mobility 9600, and it worked fine before the upgrade to gutsy
[06:50] <sigma> moparisthebest: i have been impressed with nvidia though, their drivers work flawlessly and are so easy to install (repo version)
[06:50] <user_> yes
[06:50] <sigma> moparisthebest: wat happened when u upgraded?
[06:50] <Cannoli> kk
[06:50] <moparisthebest> yes, nvidia drivers are far superior
[06:50] <user_> fire up adept installer
[06:50] <moparisthebest> sigma, I never figured it out before my mobo died
[06:50] <Don_jr333> goodness, how do I register my nick?
[06:50] <moparisthebest> but I had to use the VESA driver
[06:50] <flaccid_> man my new nas is um loud
[06:50] <hydrogen> !register
[06:50] <ubotu> By default, only registered users can send private messages - Information about  registering your Freenode nick can be found at http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#userregistration
[06:50] <Dr_willis>  - /msg nickserv help
[06:50] <sigma> but i think they've been in the linux game for longer
[06:50] <user_> search for synaptic package manager
[06:51] <hydrogen> and then install half of gnome
[06:51] <sigma> moparisthebest: think that gutsy caused it to die?
[06:51] <hydrogen> to get an equally bad package manager
[06:51] <Don_jr333> thank you
[06:51] <user_> check the box next to it and hit the install/update button
[06:51] <moparisthebest> hmm
[06:51] <moparisthebest> I hope not :/
[06:52] <hydrogen> Cannoli: use adept manager
[06:52] <hydrogen> its more useful than add/remove programs
[06:52] <user_> cannoli, let me know if it worked
[06:52] <Cannoli> k
[06:52] <Cannoli> just a sec
[06:52] <user_> k
[06:52] <sigma> moparisthebest: i still dont get what the point of gutsy was in kubuntu, hopefully hardy will be more promising
[06:52] <hydrogen> user_: suggesting one install synaptic just to install packages (from adept) is quite frankly stupid
[06:53] <user_> so?!
[06:53] <user_> that's just your opinion
[06:53] <user_> I like the other apt frontend better
[06:53] <hydrogen> no, its your opinion that synaptic is better than adept
[06:53] <sigma> im looking forward to the new opensource ati driver release in hardy, seems to get closer to 3d acceleration every time
[06:53] <Cannoli> hmm
[06:53] <Cannoli> so its already installed
[06:53] <Cannoli> :P
[06:53] <user_> I agree
[06:53] <hydrogen> its simple knowledge that installing half of gnome to do the same thing that can be done without half of gnome is kind of superflous
[06:54] <user_> it may or may not be better but that's what I prefer to use
[06:54] <Xcell> Hardy is going to set precedence.
[06:54] <hydrogen> user_: except we are not talking about what you prefer to use
[06:54] <user_> linux is all about choice
[06:54] <moparisthebest> might as well have a KDE vs GNOME argument, it all boils down to personal preference
[06:54] <hydrogen> Cannoli: to answer your question without taking you on a huge round trip, you can search for the drivers in adept_manager
[06:54] <hydrogen> and install them there
[06:54] <Xcell> conical has gathered enough infi..they will put ./bill gates out.
[06:54] <user_> I'm not going to argue, I'm just trying to help out
[06:55] <hydrogen> you could also reformat your harddrive, install red hat, and do it through their package manager
[06:55] <Hirvinen_> hydrogen: Disk space is cheap. I prefer Synaptic's UI to that of Adept, so I use that.
[06:55] <user_> how about yast:P
[06:56] <sigma> xcell: it better! gutsy was rather hopeless, all it did was update all my software and add irritating apps like dolphin and strigi, but it did stop my laptop hdd from clicking at shutdown and im grateful for that
[06:56] <Xcell> user: dont bother..they love only to argue.
[06:56] <hydrogen> Hirvinen_: thats fine, but that doesn't mean you suggest installing synaptic when one asks how to do something in adept
[06:56] <moparisthebest> you hate dolphin too sigma ?
[06:56] <Saied> i have this error. please guide me: http://i16.tinypic.com/71ftkk6.png
[06:56] <sigma> oh has anyone here tried miro version 1.0.2, i hear it runs real slow
[06:56]  * Cannoli is not fond of dolphin
[06:56] <user_> me either
[06:57] <Cannoli> its quite useless in my opinion
[06:57]  * hydrogen is growing to like dolphin
[06:57] <moparisthebest> i removed it
[06:57] <hydrogen> its a nice visual alternative to konsole
[06:57] <user_> miro always crashed for me
[06:57] <hydrogen> though konsole is still my file manager of choice
[06:57] <moparisthebest> i like konqueror
[06:57] <moparisthebest> is that what you mean hydrogen ?
[06:57] <hydrogen> no
[06:57] <hydrogen> I mean konsole
[06:57] <sigma> moparisthebest: with a passion, but the kde4 one looks a bit promising, i still like konqueror, its alot more mature
[06:57] <Xcell> sigma: linux (ubuntu) is debian that is a (learned) system..it is not like the blind sided o/s that gates created to keep the masses silly.
[06:58] <moparisthebest> konsole as a file manager hydrogen ? isn't it just a terminal emulator?
[06:58] <hydrogen> yes
[06:58] <Cannoli> how do i get to the config for my xorg
[06:58] <Cannoli> ?
[06:58] <sigma> for eg in dolphin if you cut a file off your desktop, and paste it into a folder in dolphin the file never disappears off your desktop until you manually remove it
[06:58] <moparisthebest> /etc/X11/xorg.conf Cannoli
[06:59] <sigma> connoli: open it as root
[06:59] <Cannoli> but that just lets me edit it
[06:59] <sigma> xcell: yeah i know that, thats why i use it!
[06:59] <moparisthebest> isnt that what you want Cannoli ?
[06:59] <Cannoli> there was a way i could like configure/set it up
[06:59] <Cannoli> im no good with linux commands, its too early for me to know them :P
[06:59] <sigma> nice to see microsoft getting scared though
[06:59] <user_> don't you have the restricted drivers prog? cannoli
[07:00] <N1ghtm4r3> Helloooo everybody
[07:00] <moparisthebest> maybe ATI has some sort of control panel? nvidia does
[07:00] <Cannoli> the new prog user_ that asks to use the driver?
[07:00] <N1ghtm4r3> ATI does
[07:00] <Xcell> Thank god for these resources called (chat-forums) that freely teach through (volunteers).
[07:00] <Cannoli> i have it, and i used it and thats how im in this dilemma
[07:00] <sigma> unfortunately threatening mark shuttleworth won't get u far in this world!
[07:00] <Cannoli> :(
[07:00] <Cannoli> amen to that Xcell
[07:00] <user_> looking for it in my menus but don't see it anymore,,,,
[07:00] <moparisthebest> i still say give envy a shot Cannoli
[07:01] <Cannoli> oh wait
[07:01] <Cannoli> before i try anything
[07:01] <Cannoli> i have a major question
[07:01] <sigma> so no one here tried miro?
[07:01] <Xcell> So: why not  send Ubuntu a donation..beats paying bill his dues..right? and the rest is free...do it today.
[07:02] <sigma> lol so true
[07:02] <Cannoli> when i boot up my pc, i see like 5 different choices all having to do with kubuntu. i cant access the first one but i can access the debug one (number 2) and currently i am on number 3. is that bad?
[07:02] <sigma> im off, later guys
[07:02] <hydrogen> Xcell: well, one major reason is that ubunto just does a good job of taking everyone elses work and putting it together to make it nice and easy to use
[07:03] <moparisthebest> define 'cant access the first one
[07:03] <moparisthebest> Cannoli,
[07:03] <hydrogen> why not send all the developers of all the programs that ubuntu has used monies as welL!
[07:03] <Xcell> k sigma take care.
[07:03] <user_> cannoli, this link looks like what you are talking about
[07:03] <Cannoli> well when it loads up, it takes me to a black screen
[07:03] <user_> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI
[07:04] <Cannoli> those are the instructions i followed user_ after that new program that came with the update messed up everything
[07:04] <moparisthebest> ENVY! :)
[07:04] <Cannoli> lmao, ok i shalll try it then
[07:04] <Cannoli> !envy
[07:04] <ubotu> envy is not needed or supported. Use the Resticted Manager to install binary drivers and see « /msg ubotu binarydriver »
[07:04] <Cannoli> :|
[07:04] <user_> hmm
[07:04] <moparisthebest> except for when restricted manager breaks stuff
[07:04] <moparisthebest> then use envy
[07:05] <Cannoli> should i just reinstall linux :S
[07:05] <t1n0m3n> what is the best way to install flash?  I have installed flashplugin-nonfree.  What do I do next?  I am running kubuntu64
[07:05] <Cannoli> i realize its a very windows thing to do, but it just seems easier than going through this hassle
[07:05] <moparisthebest> at least give envy a shot first Cannoli, it works :)
[07:05] <Cannoli> well where can i get it
[07:05] <Cannoli> its not even in adept
[07:05] <moparisthebest> t1n0m3n, flash and java do not work in a 64-bit browser
[07:06] <moparisthebest> Cannoli, http://albertomilone.com/nvidia_scripts1.html
[07:06] <moparisthebest> t1n0m3n, for java, you are stuck with installing a 32-bit browser and 32-bit java
[07:07] <user_> so this didn't work for you cannoli?  it only caused the problem?  Open the restricted drivers manager from KMenu → System Settings → Advanced → Restricted Drivers and select "ATI accelerated graphics driver". This will hopefully enable fglrx in a painless way.
[07:07] <moparisthebest> but I finally got the latest version of nspluginwrapper to let flash work in a 64-bit browser
[07:07] <Xcell> ya 32 bit browser...
[07:07] <Xcell> google it
[07:07] <t1n0m3n> I got firefox so I think I have the 32 bit browser already.  I have java installed
[07:07] <Xcell> think?
[07:08] <moparisthebest> if you installed it through apt-get you have the 64-bit version
[07:08] <Xcell> c
[07:08] <t1n0m3n> ahh
[07:08] <t1n0m3n> k
[07:08] <moparisthebest> and java comes in 64-bit, but no browser plugin
[07:08] <stdin> !flash64 | t1n0m3n
[07:08] <ubotu> t1n0m3n: You can run Flash, Real, and Java plugins in AMD64 bit computers with Firefox. see the steps to follow at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxAMD64FlashJava
[07:08] <Cannoli> no user_ because im still getting the wrong fglrxinfo
[07:08] <Xcell> thanks moparisthebest.
[07:09] <Xcell> lol what a long name without tab.
[07:09] <user_> that's wierd
[07:09] <moparisthebest> dont type it without tab then Xcell ;)
[07:10] <Xcell> j/k dont take it personal.
[07:10] <user_> cannoli, is this on a desktop, laptop, mac?
[07:10] <moparisthebest> I don't, im playing with you :P
[07:11] <user_> typical linux stuff, new hardware doesn't work for a few months until someone writes drivers for it
[07:11] <moparisthebest> maybe someone has written the latest drivers, which are the ones envy will get for you ;)
[07:11] <Cannoli> desktop
[07:12] <Cannoli> just a sec moparisthebest, looking it up as we speak
[07:12] <mosiac> anyone here feel like helping someone with some stupid questions real quick?
[07:12] <moparisthebest> go for it mosiac
[07:12] <bazhang> ask away mosiac
[07:12] <user_> I would probably try a fresh install one last time and update the ati drivers with the restricted drivers prog and if it didn't work then either try another distro or just live with 2d until there are working drivers available
[07:12] <mosiac> I have to hard drives i recently formated into ext3 and i just need to know what to put in to get them to auto mount on boot
[07:12] <Cannoli> will the stuff for ubuntu work for kubuntu?
[07:12] <moparisthebest> yes Cannoli
[07:13] <Xcell> Well: windows is proprietary for a reason..they get paid to keep it ..on the other hand..linux is only user supported...little cheaper in the long run.
[07:13] <Cannoli> awesome
[07:13] <moparisthebest> but before I tried a fresh install, at least give envy a shot
[07:13] <Cannoli> user_: im going to try envy first
[07:13] <user_> cannoli, yeah they should
[07:13] <user_> gnome stuff
[07:13] <moparisthebest> mosiac, put them in /etc/fstab
[07:13] <Cannoli> and i remember when i first installed linux that there is a way to just reinstall the os without losing files
[07:13] <Cannoli> is that possible?
[07:14] <user_> sorry I could't solve your problem cannoli, I tried
[07:14] <Xcell> yes  backup.
[07:14] <bazhang> seperate home dir Cannoli
[07:14] <Xcell> !backup
[07:14] <ubotu> There are many ways to back your system up. Here's a few: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BackupYourSystem , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DuplicityBackupHowto , https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HomeUserBackup , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MondoMindi - See also !sbackup and !cloning
[07:14] <mosiac> can i just copy the same stuff for my main hard drive and just change locations?
[07:15] <moparisthebest> yes mosiac
[07:15] <Xcell> book mark them
[07:15] <Cannoli> its ok user_, i really appreciate your help
[07:15] <user_> heh, I've installed and reinstalled os's so much it isn't such a big deal anymore
[07:15] <Cannoli> so how do i figure out wht kinda kubuntu i have?
[07:15] <Xcell> lool user..i have to..got tired of it..
[07:16] <Cannoli> like whats allthis fiesty, gutsy thing?
[07:16] <t3ch13> Anybody know where I can find info on installing Compiz-Fusion in Gutsy?
[07:16] <moparisthebest> 7.10 is gutsy, 7.04 is fiesty
[07:16] <user_> just save my bookmarks and anything I wanna keep in the home folder on a external hd or usb thumbdrive then wipe the drive and start over
[07:16] <Xcell> It pays to read and take physical notes.
[07:16] <moparisthebest> 6.10 is edgy i think
[07:16] <hydrogen> Cannoli: lsb-release -c
[07:16] <hydrogen> will tell you
[07:16] <bazhang> !compiz | t3ch13
[07:16] <ubotu> t3ch13: Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[07:16] <hydrogen> err
[07:16] <mosiac> also im getting a strange little error : "var/tmp/kdecache-mosiac" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0 what did i do wrong there?
[07:16] <hydrogen> lsb_release -c
[07:17] <Cannoli> ah ok
[07:17] <Cannoli> so i have gutsy
[07:17] <user_> 7.10
[07:17] <moparisthebest> that is normal mosiac, you are probably running something as root?
[07:17] <mosiac> ok cool
[07:18] <mosiac> well thanks I think thats everything
[07:18] <moparisthebest> for now anyway mosiac, ive been using it for 2+ years and still have questions :)
[07:20] <Cannoli> i love ubotu
[07:20] <Cannoli> :P
[07:20] <mosiac> hehe yeah i:m gonna reboot real quick and see if those drives mount right
[07:20] <moparisthebest> mosiac,
[07:21] <moparisthebest> mount -a
[07:21] <moparisthebest> or sudo mount -a
[07:21] <mosiac> i left something out "No final newline at end of /etc/fstab"
[07:22] <moparisthebest> yea, it just gives you a warning
[07:22] <moparisthebest> just add one in
[07:22] <mosiac> what do i put?
[07:22] <Cannoli> so i dont understand, whats the major differnce (program code wise) between windows programs and linux programs?
[07:22] <moparisthebest> a new line at the bottom (blank line) mosiac
[07:23] <moparisthebest> for one they use a different executable format Cannoli
[07:23] <mosiac> ok cool
[07:23] <hydrogen> and have a different window system
[07:23] <Cannoli> but when it comes down to it, its just the same if statemends and loops
[07:23] <hydrogen> yes
[07:23] <hydrogen> but it uses different functions
[07:23] <user_> anyone here try the eeepc yet?
[07:23] <hydrogen> and apis
[07:23] <hydrogen> to achieve the same result
[07:23] <mosiac> says my mount points dont exist but they do
[07:23] <stdin> Cannoli: mostly, but the machine code (compiled code) is different
[07:24] <Cannoli> so if i wanted to write a linux program, i could write it for windows, then make a few adjusments and have it linux-i-fied?
[07:24] <moparisthebest> you made the directories mosiac ?
[07:24] <mosiac> yep
[07:24] <mosiac> i can see them when i ls
[07:24] <N1ghtm4r3> poop
[07:24] <moparisthebest> Cannoli, you are confusing program source code and executable formats I think
[07:24] <Cannoli> oh no
[07:24] <moparisthebest> you can compile a C or C++ program for windows or linux
[07:25] <Cannoli> envy came up with an error
[07:25] <moparisthebest> the source code would be the same, but the executable formats would be different
[07:25] <stdin> Cannoli: depends, with simple text-mode ones you probably don't have to change anything. and if you'd use Qt for GUI apps, then it can run on windows, linux and mac
[07:26] <Cannoli>  Bad luck, the kernel headers for the target kernel version could  not be found and you did not specify other valid kernel headers to use.
[07:26] <Cannoli> envy error :(
[07:26] <moparisthebest> oh, Cannoli just install the headers for your kernel
[07:26] <mosiac> i got it no problems had to extra spaces in there i didnt notice or something
[07:26] <Cannoli> meaning?
[07:26] <moparisthebest> via apt-get
[07:26] <stdin> Cannoli: "sudo apt-get install build-essential linux-headers-generic"
[07:26] <moparisthebest> its a package
[07:27] <N1ghtm4r3> sooo
[07:28] <Cannoli> it said i already have the newest version :S
[07:29] <moparisthebest> of both?
[07:29] <Cannoli> there are 2?
[07:29] <moparisthebest> 2 packages that stdin said to install
[07:29] <mosiac> awesome hard drives mounted works great
[07:32] <Cannoli> yep
[07:32] <Cannoli> both
[07:33] <moparisthebest> you didn't compile your own kernel or something did you?
[07:33] <moparisthebest> wait, didnt you say you were using an older kernel Cannoli ?
[07:33] <moparisthebest> (not the top in the list on grub)
[07:33] <Cannoli> whats a grub? XD
[07:34] <moparisthebest> your boot screen
[07:34] <Cannoli> oh yea
[07:34] <moparisthebest> use the top kernel
[07:34] <Cannoli> im using an older version, atleast thats what i think it is
[07:34] <Cannoli> i cant
[07:34] <moparisthebest> why?
[07:34] <Cannoli> i get a black screen, xever doesnt start up
[07:34] <stdin> Cannoli: try "sudo apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r)" then
[07:34] <Cannoli> and i cant even access terminals
[07:35] <moparisthebest> you can access a terminal by pressing alt-f2 through alt-f6
[07:35] <Cannoli> yep
[07:35] <Cannoli> no can do
[07:35] <moparisthebest> but just do what stdin said
[07:35] <moparisthebest> why can't you do that? it has to do something
[07:35] <Cannoli> Package linux-headers-2.6.20-16-generic is not available
[07:36] <Cannoli> the error i get
[07:36] <abyssion> french ? or kubuntu-fr please
[07:36] <stdin> abyssion: join #kubuntu-fr then
[07:36] <moparisthebest> what happens when you try to boot the top kernel Cannoli ?
[07:36] <abyssion> iam bannned from kubuntu-fr
[07:36] <Xcell> lol
[07:36] <stdin> abyssion: then your only option is #ubuntu-fr
[07:36] <abyssion> :(
[07:36] <Xcell> 2 much.
[07:36] <abyssion> iam banned too
[07:36] <moparisthebest> how did you get banned abyssion ?
[07:37] <abyssion> i don't know
[07:37] <moparisthebest> you have logs don't you?
[07:37] <stdin> abyssion: ask the ops why you are banned
[07:37] <Xcell> prolly getting angry that no one answers.
[07:37] <abyssion> Okay
[07:37] <moparisthebest> is there a #xubuntu-fr
[07:37] <Cannoli> well the logo comes up and kubuntu loads, then i get a black screen. i try to change terminals but that doesnt even work
[07:37] <abyssion> THANK'S!
[07:37] <abyssion> iam not banned from xubuntu-fr
[07:37] <abyssion> ^^
[07:38] <moparisthebest> ok Cannoli , highlight the top one, hit e (for edit), go down one line, hit e again, go to the end of the line and remove 'splash'
[07:38]  * hydrogen doesn't think that will remain the case for long
[07:38] <stdin> abyssion: use "/msg chanserv access #kubuntu-fr list" to find out who the ops of #kubuntu-fr are and ask them
[07:38] <bazhang> haha
[07:38]  * moparisthebest agrees with hydrogen 
[07:38] <abyssion> Okay stdin
[07:38] <Xcell> When some one new installs. they often get angry due to that answers are not always credibly there.
[07:39] <bazhang> or instantly there more like
[07:39] <Cannoli> ok well then i have to restart
[07:39] <abyssion> 19 access in ubuntu-fr
[07:39] <Cannoli> what should i do when i get to the terminal?
[07:39] <abyssion> you speak french ?
[07:39] <abyssion> 1 user speak french ?
[07:39] <moparisthebest> Cannoli, sudo envy -t
[07:39] <Cannoli> k
[07:39] <Cannoli> brb
[07:40] <moparisthebest> you seem to speak english well enough abyssion
[07:40] <Xcell> This is an english channel..Understand?
[07:40] <abyssion> é_à
[07:40] <abyssion> Okay
[07:41] <Xcell> Stop being willfully ignorant..thank you.
[07:41] <abyssion> Okay sorry...
[07:41] <abyssion> Good bye
[07:41] <abyssion> Good day
[07:44] <N1ghtm4r3> !compiz
[07:44] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[07:44] <N1ghtm4r3> i do speak french wtf happened i was afk
[07:45] <Xcell> svroll
[07:45] <Xcell> scroll
[07:45] <Xcell> I speak beer..wanna conversate?
[07:46] <stdin> N1ghtm4r3: please don't use acronyms like "wtf" in here
[07:46] <Xcell> Speaking linguistically I am not a racist..
[07:47] <Cannoli> YAY
[07:47] <Cannoli> it worked!
[07:47] <Xcell> yay
[07:47] <Cannoli> ...
[07:47] <Cannoli> i love u mopar
[07:47] <Cannoli> XD
[07:48] <moparisthebest> I told you envy ruled
[07:48] <Xcell> send donations..lol.
[07:48] <Cannoli> Xcell: i shall as soon as i get some money
[07:49] <Xcell> I beleive you..its the right thing to do for an o/s that (actually) rules.
[07:49] <Cannoli> definatly
[07:49] <Cannoli> i have no problem giving money to things that deserve it
[07:50] <Cannoli> thats why i usually steal from windows, i think they owe me :P
[07:50] <Xcell> Exactly..Dont forget.
[07:50] <Cannoli> next paycheck :)
[07:50] <Xcell> I trust.
[07:51] <Xcell> Linux Rocks it's a$$ off...admit it.
[07:51] <ardchoille> Linux is cool.. been using it since 2001
[07:52] <flaccid_> freebsd is cooler :p
[07:52] <Xcell> ardchoille: .All I have seen from you is , help, you are an attribute to the o/s...god bless U.
[07:52] <moparisthebest> freebsd is alright
[07:53] <N1ghtm4r3> can someone tell me how to install flash on Konqueror?
[07:53] <Xcell> Free bsd is for engineers.
[07:53] <N1ghtm4r3> i downloaded it and im gona extract it in home folder , what next
[07:54] <flaccid_> Xcell: not since i last checked
[07:54] <ardchoille> Xcell: ty :)
[07:54] <stdin> N1ghtm4r3: just install "flashplugin-nonfree"
[07:54] <moparisthebest> I think konqueror supports mozilla-like plugins, so put the plugin in the konqueror plugins folder
[07:54] <ardchoille> !flash | N1ghtm4r3
[07:54] <ubotu> N1ghtm4r3: To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash - Flash 9 is now available in dapper-backports and edgy-backports - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[07:54] <N1ghtm4r3> stdin: ... how?
[07:54] <Cannoli> now to get me a matrix screen saver :D
[07:54] <moparisthebest> Xcell, what makes you say that?
[07:54] <stdin> N1ghtm4r3: with adept or apt-get
[07:54] <ardchoille> Cannoli: iirc, the kde screensaver app canuse xscreensavers
[07:55] <Xcell> I have no comment.
[07:55] <Cannoli> awesome
[07:55] <N1ghtm4r3> stdin: so i type apt-get flashplayer-installer ?
[07:55] <ardchoille> Cannoli: apt-cache search xscreensaver
[07:55] <stdin> N1ghtm4r3: no
[07:55] <moparisthebest> hehe, Cannoli did you install linux just for a matrix screensaver? :)
[07:55] <stdin> N1ghtm4r3: sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
[07:56] <Cannoli> lmao moparisthebest, i installed it for the basic hacker look, and i wanted something new to play with
[07:56] <Cannoli> i tire of windows :P
[07:56] <Xcell> lol..enjoy.
[07:56] <moparisthebest> yea, I was just playing with you
[07:57] <N1ghtm4r3> stdin: god i definitly need to learn what sudo and apt-get means
[07:57] <moparisthebest> thats how I started too, just installed it to play around for a bit, then I got hooked :/
[07:57] <stdin> !sudo
[07:57] <ubotu> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[07:57] <stdin> !cli
[07:57] <ubotu> The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome) or K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE).  Guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal
[07:57] <Xcell> well said stdin..
[07:58] <Cannoli> so how often does a new version of kubuntu come out
[07:58] <Cannoli> like this one is gusty, whens the next one due
[07:58] <Cannoli> ?
[07:58] <moparisthebest> every 6 months on the dot
[07:58] <Cannoli> oh sweet
[07:58] <moparisthebest> 7.10, the next would be 8.04
[07:58] <Xcell> Break the Conditioning of Windows People..Linux is Way better.
[07:58] <moparisthebest> get it, the month and year? :)
[07:58] <stdin> !release
[07:58] <ubotu> Ubuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 18 months to 5 years. More info at http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases & http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases
[07:58] <N1ghtm4r3> stdin: it doesnt work
[07:59] <N1ghtm4r3> stdin: it says its already the latest version
[07:59] <moparisthebest> like this version, 7.10 was released 10 (october) of 07
[07:59] <Cannoli> hahah i get it now. i just dont get the name :S
[07:59] <stdin> N1ghtm4r3: then you already have it installed
[07:59] <Cannoli> the next one should be Cannoli :D
[07:59] <N1ghtm4r3> stdin: but it doesnt work ...
[07:59] <stdin> Cannoli: it'll be hardy herron
[07:59] <stdin> *heron
[08:00] <moparisthebest> N1ghtm4r3, are you using the 64bit version of kubuntu by chance?
[08:00] <N1ghtm4r3> nope
[08:00] <N1ghtm4r3> 32
[08:00] <moparisthebest> check in your konqueror settings, you may have to turn it on or something
[08:00] <stdin> N1ghtm4r3: I just installed it, opened konqueror and had flash working
[08:00] <moparisthebest> Ive just used it in firefox
[08:01] <stdin> N1ghtm4r3: make sure you restart konqueror after installing flash
[08:01] <N1ghtm4r3> stdin: thats what you dont understand ... i downloaded something from add/remove program .. it was restricted files thingie
[08:01] <stdin> yes, that installed the package I said
[08:02] <Xcell> still..stdin knows.
[08:02] <Xcell> Linux is not windows.
[08:03] <moparisthebest> earlier I was going to say always listen to stdin, but that really doesn't make sense, since you always listen to stdout
[08:03] <Xcell> Sry to int-erupt.
[08:03] <moparisthebest> technically, stdin should always listen to us, right?
[08:03] <stdin> no, I redirect you all to /dev/null :)
[08:04] <moparisthebest> but you couldn't, only stdout could ;)
[08:04] <Xcell> It amazes me.some get lucky and subscribe to as standard..what apharce.
[08:06] <Xcell> It amazes me.some get lucky and subscribe it to as a standard..what a farce.
[08:06] <Cannoli> !screensaver
[08:06] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about screensaver - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[08:07] <Cannoli> !xscreensaver
[08:07] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about xscreensaver - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[08:07] <Xcell> Cannoli: try systemsettings>monitor.
[08:08] <Cannoli> no its a serperate program i had before
[08:08] <Cannoli> its called xscreensaver
[08:08] <Cannoli> i just cant remember how to get all the files for it
[08:08] <Xcell> ya exactly.
[08:08] <N1ghtm4r3> alright ... as far as i know .. Java is enabled
[08:08] <stdin> !find xscreensaver
[08:09] <ubotu> Found: xscreensaver, xscreensaver-data, xscreensaver-gl, xscreensaver-data-extra, xscreensaver-gl-extra
[08:09] <N1ghtm4r3> i cant find flash
[08:09] <N1ghtm4r3> !flash
[08:09] <ubotu> To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash - Flash 9 is now available in dapper-backports and edgy-backports - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[08:09] <moparisthebest> gnash doesn't work, so don't waste your time with it
[08:09] <Xcell> I'm glad I stuck with 32 bit..oi.
[08:10] <moparisthebest> 64 bit brings a challenge (headache) :)
[08:10] <Xcell> I almost converted.
[08:10] <N1ghtm4r3> im on 32 too
[08:10] <moparisthebest> i use 64 on my desktop, but 32 on the laptop
[08:11] <Xcell> I have my brother who will bring a asuse 64 bit..tomorrow...I told him..leave it a weeks worth..lol.
[08:12] <moparisthebest> suse? uck I can't stand RPM distrobutions
[08:12] <Xcell> asuse is a mobo.
[08:12] <moparisthebest> oh, asus?
[08:12] <Xcell> ya
[08:12] <moparisthebest> yep, I've used them, in fact my laptop is an asus
[08:13] <moparisthebest> but the cpu is what makes it 64 bit or not
[08:13] <Xcell> wwwith nvida drivers..go figure...atleats it (aint) ati...olo.
[08:13] <Xcell> oi
[08:13] <Xcell> with nvidia video
[08:14] <Xcell> He will hate me..He has ati card..and I wont deal with it.
[08:15] <Xcell> Ati always breaks.
[08:15] <Xcell> by design.
[08:16] <moparisthebest> ive always liked nvidia and amd, even when i used windows
[08:16] <moparisthebest> but now amd owns ati, and core2duos are better than amd :(
[08:16] <Xcell> Amd rocks as well as nvidia..
[08:17] <Xcell> Exactly..I told someone that nvidia bought ati and they called me a liar..i saw the docs.
[08:17] <Xcell> 1.5 yrs ago.
[08:18] <neville> Can somebody help me with my microphone please?
[08:18] <gadren> say, what would be the best way to format a USB flash drive in KDE?
[08:18] <N1ghtm4r3> so what am i supose to do about my flash not working? o_o
[08:18] <neville> What happens is, it's connected to the Mic jack on the sound card
[08:19] <neville> But it doesn't detect any sound
[08:19] <neville> This isn't the case in Windows though
[08:19] <neville> any ideas?
[08:19] <ardchoille> gadren: I use qtparted for that.
[08:19] <gadren> thanks, ardchoille
[08:19] <ardchoille> gadren: Depends on which OS you will be using the usb key in. If Linux only, then probably ext2 or ext3, if Linux+Windows, probably fat32
[08:20] <Xcell> ardchoille: Rocks..watch.
[08:21] <Cannoli> k im off to bed
[08:21] <Cannoli> thanx alot for you help everyone
[08:21] <Cannoli> g'night
[08:21] <Xcell> gnite.
[08:21] <ardchoille> gnite
[08:22] <ardchoille> I think for a usb key, ext2 is the best way to go because ext3 would end up eating up some of the available memory in order to hold the journal.
[08:24] <Xcell> Doing test..re-boot.brb..thanks.
[08:25] <ardchoille> Xcell: wait
[08:25] <Xcell> hurry
[08:25] <ardchoille> Xcell: Why are you rebooting? It's possible you can do what's needed without a reboot
[08:26] <Xcell> touch/fsck..ing
[08:26] <Xcell> brb
[08:26] <ardchoille> ok
[08:29] <N1ghtm4r3> so? .. about flash?
[08:29] <Xcell> yay.
[08:29] <Xcell> im good.
[08:30] <Xcell> Amarok rocks for a start up app.
[08:31] <Xcell> htop rocks too..get it.
[08:31] <Xcell> my cpu is from alaska..lol.
[08:32] <Xcell> I stifle.
[08:32] <N1ghtm4r3> i think i found out why it doesnt work
[08:33] <N1ghtm4r3> i have Mozilla firefox installed cause some guy made me apt-get Ubuntustudios-desktop
[08:33] <N1ghtm4r3> and it downloaded lots of useless stuff
[08:33] <Xcell> Exactly.
[08:33] <N1ghtm4r3> so when i try to install flash it installs it for mozilla
[08:33] <gadren> in Firefox, Ctrl+K brought the focus onto the search bar.  Does Konq have a similar keyboard shortcut?
[08:34] <N1ghtm4r3> so how do i take all this off?
[08:34] <stdin> N1ghtm4r3: sorry, I have firefox too, flash still works
[08:34] <ardchoille> N1ghtm4r3: Open adept and start uninstalling stuff. But be careful and watch the deps that get uninstalled or you may uninstall something you need.
[08:35] <N1ghtm4r3> adept?
[08:35] <N1ghtm4r3> add/delete ?
[08:35] <ardchoille> N1ghtm4r3: adept_manager
[08:40] <Xcell> tricky stuff..if a newbee..be ware.
[08:40] <Xcell> Does not kubuntu have a switch wich brings the install to null?
[08:41] <N1ghtm4r3> ardchoille: i type it in Konsole and it will bring it up?
[08:41] <Xcell> It should.
[08:41] <ardchoille> N1ghtm4r3: yes
[08:41] <N1ghtm4r3> Xcell: i dont know =S ... im a long time winDoser
[08:41] <Xcell> lol    k
[08:42] <Xcell> Would save hd's as well as band width.
[08:42] <N1ghtm4r3> im using the adept installer right now and it actualy does the same
[08:43] <Xcell> N1ghtm4r3:  i used ad remove for restricted xtras..it did the job.
[08:43] <Xcell> all was installed without fail.
[08:44] <Xcell> 2 much java installs create bad bean soup..lol.
[08:46] <mosiac> anyone an avid amarok user?
[08:47] <flaccid_> yeayh
[08:47] <mosiac> i clicked something wrong the first time i opened it and now i cant get it to look for songs
[08:48] <mosiac> lol nm
[08:48] <mosiac> i found what i need hehe
[08:48] <Xcell> what was it.
[08:48] <mosiac> i just had to goto options and tell it which folders my song files were in
[08:48] <Xcell> k thanks..
[08:50] <Xcell> I love Amarok..beats windoze winamp witch aol runs...total crap.
[08:50] <mosiac> well im really used to itunes
[08:50] <mosiac> which is why i like it hehe
[08:51] <Xcell> ted turner needs a hair cut..lol.
[08:51] <mosiac> lol
[08:51] <Xcell> he is drain bramaged.
[08:52] <mosiac> ok awesome new questions hehe anyone play tremelous?
[08:52] <Xcell> whats that  game?
[08:52] <mosiac> its a fps with aliens and humans
[08:52] <mosiac> supposedly pretty good
[08:52] <mosiac> but i can never get it to load
[08:52] <Xcell> my wife told me I was grounded from games.
[08:52] <mosiac> lol
[08:53] <ardchoille> mosiac: The ubuntu forums might have some info about it
[08:53] <Xcell> she has no shares..
[08:53] <mosiac> i was doing some searches
[08:53] <mosiac> but i dont think i found anything gonna check real quick
[08:54] <Xcell> W@ill work for Kubuntu.
[08:54] <Xcell> goofy kee bord.
[08:55] <Xcell> Must need cleaning..
[08:56] <neo_> guys I have a dual monitor setup and I have recently migrated from windows to Kubuntu 7.10. My second monitor is showing only lines. What to do. I tried to configure monitor and display but I end up no kde(x) after boot?
[08:56] <ardchoille> Xcell: You using my kb again? lol
[08:56] <Xcell> lol.I have hukt on fonix fer kee bords.
[08:57] <ardchoille> hahaha
[08:57] <ardchoille> !xinerama
[08:57] <ubotu> xinerama is an extension to !X to use two or more physical displays as one large virtual display. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/XineramaHowTo - See also !DualHead
[08:57] <ardchoille> !dualhead
[08:57] <ubotu> Information about dual-head on linux can be found on http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/DualHead - See also !Xinerama
[08:58] <N1ghtm4r3> xcell: no i mean im uninstalling everything related to Ubuntustudios
[08:58] <N1ghtm4r3> Xcell: sorry it took a while
[08:58] <sigma> besides konq, firefox what other web browsers are available for kde/kubuntu?
[08:59] <Xcell> N1ghtm4r3: it is a question of what works..I have litle experience in multiple extractions/.
[08:59] <sigma> N1ghtm4r3: why not just install the regular ubuntu?
[09:00] <Xcell> sogma: I will tickle you...Kubuntu Rocks.
[09:00] <Xcell> sigma..sry
[09:00] <ardchoille> sigma: There's opera, available from the partner repo
[09:00] <ardchoille> !info opera
[09:00] <ubotu> Package opera does not exist in gutsy
[09:00] <ardchoille> !opera
[09:00] <ubotu> opera is an advanced and free (only as in price) web browser.  Install it via Applications->Add/Remove..., making sure that "Show commercial applications" (dapper only) is checked. For more info on opera please see: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OperaBrowser
[09:01] <ardchoille> sigma: There's also links and elinks
[09:01] <Xcell> ardchoille: how do I enable java with opera..that is what stoped me.
[09:01]  * ardchoille hides
[09:01] <posingaspopular> where are the openoffice temp files stored?
[09:02] <moparisthebest> opera isn't that hot anyway Xcell
[09:02] <ardchoille> Xcell: Installing opera via the package manager should take care of that for you, it did for me.
[09:02] <Xcell> Even though firefox is more automated.
[09:02] <neo_> 'sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx', will this command install my nvidia gforece fx 5500 drivers?
[09:02] <sigma> xcell: lol sorry meant install regular kubuntu
[09:02] <Xcell> screw opera..is sings the bad tune.
[09:02] <ardchoille> neo_: Hold on..
[09:03] <sigma> i tried opera, it looks old
[09:03] <N1ghtm4r3> sigma: Cause ubuntu sucks .... gnome fails
[09:03] <neo_> Hold on what you mean hold on, I just ran it, is ok?
[09:03] <Xcell> Gut fealing told me..dont do it...opera.
[09:03] <neo_> dude is it ok?
[09:03] <sigma> N1ghtm4r3: so try thats y i use kubuntu!
[09:03] <ardchoille> neo_: That's the correct driver, yes, I wanted to look it up.
[09:04] <neo_> oh! thanks, scared me there.
[09:04] <ardchoille> neo_: After installing it, you need to enable the driver and restart xorg
[09:04] <neo_> :)
[09:04] <neo_> ok thanks
[09:04] <posingaspopular> anyone know where the open office temp files are located?
[09:04] <sigma> does anyone know why the miro player has so many gnome dependencies? it looks really cool and dont get me wrong so does amarok, but miro plays both audio and video, unless theres a way to play video with amarok as well?
[09:05] <N1ghtm4r3> i believe amarok does too ... ­>,>
[09:05] <ardchoille> posingaspopular: I wanna say /tmp
[09:05] <NickPresta> Amarok doesn't play video.
[09:06] <posingaspopular> im pretty sure that programs all have their own hidden /programname files
[09:06] <Linux_Galore> sigma: Amarok 2 can play audio and video to. What your forgetting is Amarok doesnt just play audio it can stream from the web and manage a podcast downloads to you ipod
[09:06] <Xcell> http://openoffice.blogs.com/openoffice/configuration_and_setup/index.html
[09:07] <Xcell> temp files
[09:07] <sigma> Linux_Galore: how do u make it play a video file?
[09:07] <mosiac> if i just restart x will it start using a new vid card driver?
[09:07] <Linux_Galore> sigma: install v2
[09:07] <Xcell> sigma: vlc
[09:07] <posingaspopular> kde/ktorrent or something similar
[09:07] <doyalBaBa> Amarok can play VIDEO?!!!!!
[09:07] <ardchoille> mosiac: It will use the driver that is defined in xorg.conf
[09:08] <N1ghtm4r3> mh i've seen those nifty 'widget/applet' onscreen in some screenshots .. i'd like some lol
[09:08] <mosiac> k
[09:08] <Linux_Galore> Version 2.0 can
[09:08] <mosiac> I downloaded the nvidia driver from synaptic will that setup the driver for me or is there something else I need to do?
[09:08] <sigma> Linux_Galore: where do u get it from? i have the one that came with ubuntu 7.10
[09:08] <Linux_Galore> thanks to phonon Amarok 2 can play video
[09:08] <ardchoille> mosiac: You installed it via synaptic?
[09:08] <Xcell> sigma needs spanked..lol.
[09:08] <mosiac> well downloaded it i assume it installed it
[09:08] <ardchoille> mosiac: Which driver? nvidia?
[09:09] <mosiac> nvidia 'new' driver.. mistake?
[09:09] <Linux_Galore> sigma: Amrok 2.0 isnt in the 7.10 repo, it should be in hardy in a few weeks
[09:09] <Xcell> waits
[09:09] <Xcell> cant
[09:09] <sigma> Linux_Galore: and that will work in 7.10?
[09:09] <ardchoille> mosiac: Don't know, I've never used that one. Try this in a terminal: sudo nvidia-glx-config enable
[09:10] <Linux_Galore> sigma: well I use kmplayer for video and amarok for audio
[09:10] <Xcell> sigma: Invite me to dinner...please.
[09:10] <ardchoille> lol
[09:10] <sigma> isn't amarok 2.0 the one thats in the kde4 live cd's?
[09:11] <doyalBaBa> Amarok v2 can play video? WOW... ... surprising!!!!
[09:11] <mosiac> it said that my x config has been altered but then it says that the script can not proceed automatically that right?
[09:11] <Linux_Galore> although these days I have so little time so I watch  videos and listen to music on my Nokia N810 (yay amazon) thanks to canola
[09:11] <Xcell> Look 4 Amarok to take the codec by storm...I didnt tell ya. shh.
[09:11] <ardchoille> !nvidia | mosiac
[09:11] <ubotu> mosiac: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[09:12] <ardchoille> mosiac: Read that page, there's some helpful stuff there.
[09:12] <mosiac> k
[09:12] <Linux_Galore> doyalBaBa: well Amarok V2 uses the new phonon back end in kde 4. The funny thing is phonon makes playing media so easy the amarok guys found they could hack video support in after a few hours
[09:13] <Xcell> Amarok will soon make m$ look like phisher price..stand by.
[09:13] <mosiac> ok followed what it said, that was much eaiser then i thought hehe
[09:13] <ardchoille> Xcell: That's already been done :P
[09:13] <mosiac> need to restart x now?
[09:14] <ardchoille> mosiac: No, you just need to restart xorg
[09:14] <sigma> lol, just needs video + dvd support and it'll be up there with the best!
[09:14] <mosiac> control alt backspace? or is there a better way?
[09:14] <Xcell> I c ardchoille..nice..but it has more to come.
[09:14] <ardchoille> mosiac: Save all your work, open a terminal and do:  sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart
[09:14] <Xcell> Linux Rocks boys...Rock on.
[09:15] <Xcell> sigma: dont feel left out..I have hamburger on the grill.
[09:16] <Linux_Galore> I was talking to an IT guy while I was shopping with the missus and I was talking about Linux etc and some of the work I do and the guy wants me to go and do a job interview lol
[09:16] <Xcell> j/k sigma..just goshing with ya..k?
[09:16] <ardchoille> Linux_Galore: Go for it :)
[09:16] <Linux_Galore> ok who has a problem
[09:16] <sigma> its cool
[09:17] <ardchoille> Linux_Galore: I have a problem
[09:17] <Linux_Galore> ardchoille: Im getting out of IT and moving to marketing
[09:17] <sigma> dam kmplayer is pretty resource friendly
[09:17] <Xcell> k sigma..just having fun..no pun intended..you are way cool to lose.
[09:17] <ardchoille> Linux_Galore: I can't find lib-print-what-i-meant-not-what-i-typed
[09:18] <Linux_Galore> ardchoille: ?
[09:18] <ardchoille> Too many typos lately :/
[09:18] <Xcell> lol must be that jukt on fonix failure.
[09:18] <Linux_Galore> ardchoille: use a client that spell checks on the fly
[09:18] <Xcell> hukt
[09:18] <ardchoille> Xcell: hahaha
[09:19] <Xcell> I love ya ardchoille..ya know that.
[09:19] <ardchoille> :)
[09:19]  * Linux_Galore starts playing the Love Boat theme song
[09:20] <Xcell> I'm not perfect by no means.I have my days..but....ya know.
[09:20] <Xcell> and sigma is my buddy..he ows me dinner..\
[09:21] <Linux_Galore> Xcell: perfection is a mental disease
[09:21] <Xcell> Exactly..Well said.
[09:21] <ardchoille> Indeed
[09:22] <Xcell> sigma has excellent ideas..he needs to mail conical about them.. he is actually a very sharp man.
[09:23] <Xcell> has a god eye for detail.
[09:23] <Xcell> god
[09:23] <Xcell> good
[09:23] <ardchoille> hukt of fonix strikes again!
[09:23] <Linux_Galore> yeah kmplayer is pretty cool if you want a simple player that doesnt suck up system resources
[09:24] <Xcell> crappy kee bord sry
[09:24] <Xcell> hahaha
[09:24] <ardchoille> I use mplayer for almost everything
[09:24] <Linux_Galore> I should post  my kmplayerrc file as it works pretty well
[09:24] <sigma> xcell: what on earth r u going on about:)
[09:24] <Xcell> my bord was made from dell
[09:25] <Xcell> U sigma..U rock 2.
[09:25] <sigma> linux_galore: what does that file do?
[09:25] <Linux_Galore> kmplayerrc file = configuration file for kmplayer that defines how the player reacts
[09:25] <Xcell> It stutters 2
[09:25] <ardchoille> Linux_Galore: Register on the wiki and make a homepage for yourself.. you can post it there :)
[09:26] <sigma> ok
[09:26] <Linux_Galore> ardchoille: its just a text file
[09:26] <sigma> wel i need 2reboot, cheers for now
[09:26] <Xcell> ok my bit sigma..U rock..
[09:26] <Linux_Galore> Im trying to remember the cutpast url
[09:26] <Xcell> but
[09:26] <ardchoille> Linux_Galore: pastebin?
[09:26] <Linux_Galore> thats is
[09:26] <ardchoille> !pastebin | Linux_Galore
[09:26] <Linux_Galore> !pastbin
[09:26] <ubotu> Linux_Galore: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[09:26] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about pastbin - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[09:27] <crazy_bus> the only way to resume a file in wget is to go to the correct directory and type; wget -c url. Is their a easier way to resume something?
[09:27] <Xcell> sigma: U have god ideas..so..hurry and shut up about them...no waiting.
[09:27] <Xcell> good
[09:27] <ardchoille> crazy_bus: You can use kget
[09:28] <Xcell> has a dell kee bord 4 sale...cheap.
[09:28] <ardchoille> lol, no thanks
[09:28] <ardchoille> I can typo all by myself :P
[09:29] <Xcell> lol  no waiting.
[09:29] <MacAnthony> for some reason my wireless controller doesn't show in my knetworkmanager - any one think of a reason why?
[09:29] <ardchoille> !wireless
[09:29] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[09:29] <ardchoille> MacAnthony: Might try that
[09:30] <MacAnthony> ardchoille: my wireless card works, I'm using it, it just doesn't show in knetworkmanager
[09:30] <titanix88> crazy_bus: create .wgetrc file with ur desired defaults. :)
[09:30] <Linux_Galore> ok copy this file to /home/user_name/.kde/share/config   http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/47327/  it should make kmplayer work nice, took me a bit of stuffing around
[09:30] <ardchoille> MacAnthony: I was thinking that maybe that page had some info about that issue
[09:30] <Linux_Galore> call the file  kmplyerrc
[09:31] <Linux_Galore> oops
[09:31] <MacAnthony> I've been through the page to setup my card and didn't come across it, but I'll check again
[09:31] <Linux_Galore> kmplayerrc sorry
[09:31] <ardchoille> MacAnthony: Ah, ok
[09:31] <Xcell> Thank god for knotes..i write every thing down..even though I cant spell.
[09:31] <ardchoille> Xcell: Have you tried basket?
[09:31] <Xcell> basket? where?
[09:32] <MacAnthony> ardchoille: the only annoying thing is that I can't browse for available APs
[09:32] <ardchoille> !info basket
[09:32] <ubotu> basket: a multi-purpose note-taking application for KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0.2-2build2.1 (gutsy), package size 4854 kB, installed size 7540 kB
[09:32] <Linux_Galore> I find the default setup for kmplayer is a bit retarded
[09:32] <Xcell> ah t/y
[09:32] <ardchoille> Xcell: basket rocks!
[09:32] <Xcell> I'll get it/\,
[09:32] <MacAnthony> I can do a iwlist scan and get them that way, but no gui way
[09:32] <titanix88> Linux_Galore: not only retarded, it's freaking ugly!!
[09:32] <Linux_Galore> titanix88: depends on the theme you use
[09:33] <Xcell> moves to adept ..if i can spell it.
[09:33] <Xcell> brb
[09:33]  * titanix88 wonders where is the crazy_bus guy!!! Did he gave up CLI?
[09:34] <crazy_bus> titanix88: I was looking at the wget file trying to find something to match resume
[09:34] <titanix88> continue = 0n
[09:34] <titanix88> on
[09:35] <titanix88> or something like that! :)
[09:35] <titanix88> Anyone here played Commercial Tux Racer?
[09:35] <crazy_bus> ah thanks titanix88
[09:35] <Xcell> wow ..big file..brb
[09:36] <mosiac> got it going all good heh
[09:36] <titanix88> crazy_bus: u r welcome!:)
[09:36] <Xcell> 5 megs..I must be dumb.
[09:37] <Xcell> lol
[09:37] <titanix88> Anyone played commercial tux racer?
[09:38] <Xcell> See> if that was windoxe. I would have had to re-boot 5 times..lol.
[09:38] <Xcell> not excluding the adware
[09:38] <Xcell> i can spell now..dell is in trouble.
[09:39] <Linux_Galore> Heres a better copy of my kmplayerrc file with all the crud removed http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/47330/  just copy it to  /home/uaer-name/.kde/share/config     http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/47330/
[09:40] <crazy_bus> windows isn't that bad.  ok mabey it is.  But it becomes barely livable with cygwin.  (I have to live in it for the past few days due to my new computer failing for some reason :( )
[09:40] <Linux_Galore> s/uaer-name/user-name/
[09:40] <titanix88> #linuxgametome
[09:40] <Xcell> Thanks ardchoille.
[09:41] <ardchoille> Xcell: What for?
[09:41] <Xcell> ardchoille: cant be substituted for patience and stability.
[09:41] <mosiac> hehe
[09:41] <mosiac> man
[09:41] <mosiac> i hate this computer somtimes
[09:42] <sebastian^> moin all
[09:42] <Xcell> ardchoille: needs to be on Ubuntu salary.
[09:42] <Xcell> Without question.
[09:43] <titanix88> anyone know any channel abt linux games?
[09:43] <ardchoille> Xcell: Wait until you see the real guru's in action. There are folks in this channel that put me to shame :)
[09:44] <N1ghtm4r3> this is lulzorific
[09:44] <N1ghtm4r3> Flash still aint working
[09:44] <Xcell> I understand ardchoille.but as it is U rock..they show up to show off..U show up to help..U are blessed.
[09:44] <ardchoille> Xcell: Thank you.
[09:44] <Xcell> More than welcome..
[09:46] <mosiac> gasp the world of warcraft howto thread seems to have vanished from the forums
[09:46] <Xcell> I have watched the channel for 1 month..ardchoille is commit3ed..dont abuse him.
[09:47] <jpatrick> ardchoille: real gurus?
[09:47] <ardchoille> jpatrick: Yes, folks like you :)
[09:48] <jpatrick> ardchoille: nah, this is just me hobby :)
[09:48] <Xcell> gurus are show off's I know..I am an electronics tech..I can spot a show off in a heart beat.
[09:48] <Xcell> ardchoille:  is commited..be nice.
[09:49] <ardchoille> jpatrick: Yeah, it's been a hobby of mine since 2001 ;)
[09:49] <Xcell> im done..brb
[09:49] <N1ghtm4r3> can someone help me?
[09:49] <ardchoille> N1ghtm4r3: With what?
[09:50] <titanix88> Xcell u r a electronics guru?
[09:50] <Xcell> ya
[09:50] <Xcell> 30+ yrs
[09:50] <N1ghtm4r3> ardchoille: i've been having the same problem all night , i cant get Flash to work on Konqueror
[09:50] <titanix88> OMG :0
[09:50] <Xcell> retired
[09:50] <Xcell> my batteries died
[09:50] <ardchoille> N1ghtm4r3: How did you install flash? Which version/package?
[09:51] <titanix88> i'm trying to be an electronics hobbyist. Where to start?
[09:51] <Xcell> google forest mims
[09:52] <N1ghtm4r3> ardchoille: installed trough add/remove program .. installed the restricted package
[09:52] <ardchoille> N1ghtm4r3: What I did was "sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree", then restarted konqueror and it worked great
[09:52] <Xcell> brb
[09:52] <jpatrick> N1ghtm4r3: have you searched for the new plugin in konquerors config?
[09:52] <Xcell> duty calls
[09:53] <ardchoille> jpatrick: That was my next step :)
[09:53] <N1ghtm4r3> jpatrick: I tried , cant find it
[09:53] <titanix88> Xcell: is it free?
[09:53] <ardchoille> N1ghtm4r3: Did you tell konq to scan for new plugins?
[09:54] <jpatrick> N1ghtm4r3: make sure you have /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree in the search list
[09:54] <Xcell> Dont know..
[09:54] <Xcell> forest m mims
[09:54] <N1ghtm4r3> ardchoille: i entered sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree and it tell me 0 updated 0 installed 0 deleted
[09:54] <Xcell> google that
[09:54] <ardchoille> N1ghtm4r3: Are you using Gutsy?
[09:54] <Xcell> good christian engineer
[09:55] <N1ghtm4r3> ardchoille: yeah
[09:55] <N1ghtm4r3> jpatrick: how do i do that anyway lol
[09:55] <titanix88> yeah. i got it. But i cant afford it.:(
[09:55] <Xcell> what titanix88
[09:55] <jpatrick> N1ghtm4r3: press in "New" and add it to the textbox
[09:57] <mosiac> dang
[09:57] <N1ghtm4r3> jpatrick: did , still doesnt work
[09:57] <Xcell> Dont go to radio shack,,they abuse electronics via texas instruments garbage..imported crap.
[09:57] <jpatrick> N1ghtm4r3: rescanned and restarted konq?
[09:58] <N1ghtm4r3> jpatrick: did twice
[09:59] <jpatrick> N1ghtm4r3: what does the plugins tab say?
[09:59] <ardchoille> jpatrick: fwiw, I don't have /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree in my konq plugins list, but flash works fine.
[09:59] <titanix88> Xcell: Not RadioShack! The website of the book of the author!
[09:59] <ardchoille> N1ghtm4r3: Are you by chance on a 64bit system?
[10:00] <N1ghtm4r3> ardchoille: no lol
[10:00] <ardchoille> ok
[10:00] <jpatrick> ardchoille: that's where my libflashplayer.so seems to be..
[10:00] <jpatrick> let's see..
[10:00] <jpatrick> !flash | N1ghtm4r3
[10:00] <ubotu> N1ghtm4r3: To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash - Flash 9 is now available in dapper-backports and edgy-backports - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[10:00] <titanix88> Xcell: forest mims is expensive.
[10:00] <ardchoille> jpatrick: As is mine, but that path isn't in the konq plugins list
[10:01] <ardchoille> Oh, well, it works.. I won't question it :)
[10:01] <Xcell> Never buy electronics from best buy or walmart..they are re-repaired components sold as a lot sum..that is why they warranty everything as they do. I have repaired too much of that crap.
[10:02] <Xcell> Forest m mims is a cheap quality education..the man is spot on.
[10:02] <titanix88> Xcell: Actually im not a north american. I live in bangladesh. No radioshack here. :)
[10:03] <N1ghtm4r3> jpatrick: alredy done everything they said there .... still dont work
[10:03] <Xcell> Radio shack is junk..unless it is a name brand..even then is costs 2 much as a 3rd party.
[10:03] <titanix88> but cluster of 25-30  small electronics shops. We call them bazar.
[10:04] <jpatrick> N1ghtm4r3: odd indeed
[10:04] <ardchoille> N1ghtm4r3: Just out of curiousity, open a terminal and do:  ls -l /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree/libflashplayer.so
[10:04] <mosiac> so i installed the nvidia driver and it seemed to work fine but i am getting serious graphic glitches
[10:05] <Xcell> titanix88:  forest m mim rules as a means of truthful teaching of the field..beats anyone who professes as such..
[10:05] <N1ghtm4r3> ardchoille: it says none find
[10:05] <N1ghtm4r3> ardchoille: found*
[10:05] <Xcell> The man is christian and truthful,,no bogus info any where.
[10:05] <ardchoille> Keep in mind that this is a support channel. All off-topic chat should go to #kubuntu-offtopic
[10:06] <ardchoille> N1ghtm4r3: Ah hah!
[10:06] <ardchoille> jpatrick: You see that?
[10:06] <Xcell> nite N1ghtm4r3
[10:06] <jpatrick> ardchoille: ok ok ;) must be my setup
[10:06] <N1ghtm4r3> ?
[10:06] <Xcell> oh  sry
[10:06] <N1ghtm4r3> lol
[10:06] <ardchoille> jpatrick: he's missing /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree/libflashplayer.so
[10:06] <Xcell> I have 4 roms watching sry.
[10:07] <Xcell> rooms
[10:07] <titanix88> Xcell: Ok. Thnx.
[10:07] <Xcell> y/w titanix88.
[10:07] <N1ghtm4r3> ardchoille: i feel that in a way or another i pretty much caused it?
[10:07] <ardchoille> N1ghtm4r3: What do you get when you: sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
[10:07] <N1ghtm4r3> ardchoille: it wouldnt surprize me .. im a long time win-Doser
[10:08] <ardchoille> N1ghtm4r3: No problem, I'mm trying to help sort it out
[10:08] <Xcell> lol dosser
[10:08] <N1ghtm4r3> no Xcell lol
[10:08] <N1ghtm4r3> a winDoser
[10:08] <N1ghtm4r3> as in bulldoser
[10:08] <Xcell> lol
[10:09] <vzduch> Xcell: only 4 rooms? o0
[10:09] <N1ghtm4r3> ATENTION EVERYBODY
[10:09] <Xcell> yeeeehaw!
[10:09] <N1ghtm4r3> there will be a small spam
[10:09] <ardchoille> N1ghtm4r3: Wait
[10:09] <N1ghtm4r3> ok
[10:09] <ardchoille> !pastebin | N1ghtm4r3
[10:09] <ubotu> N1ghtm4r3: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[10:09] <N1ghtm4r3> OOoooh
[10:09] <N1ghtm4r3> awesome!
[10:09] <N1ghtm4r3> lol
[10:09] <Xcell> vzduch: what?..lol
[10:10] <N1ghtm4r3> ardchoille: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/47341/
[10:10] <vzduch> Xcell: if you mean IRC channels.. I have 12 of 'em open
[10:10] <N1ghtm4r3> ardchoille: its french but its pretty self explanatory
[10:10] <vzduch> and I know ppl who have ~30 open all the time
[10:10] <Xcell> I am duplistic in nature.
[10:11] <Xcell> They are robots..dont kid yourself vz.
[10:11] <ardchoille> N1ghtm4r3: I'm seeing a lot of stuff I shouldn't be seeing there
[10:11] <N1ghtm4r3> ardchoille: fun fun fun
[10:13] <ardchoille> N1ghtm4r3: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/47344/
[10:13] <N1ghtm4r3> ardchoille: WTH!?
[10:14] <ardchoille> That's what you should have seen
[10:14] <ardchoille> N1ghtm4r3: What's up with all those deps?
[10:14] <Xcell> vzduch: We here are humans..others need not apply.
[10:14] <N1ghtm4r3> ardchoille: could it be because someone made me install Ubuntu Studios's desktop ... frigging gnome
[10:14] <ardchoille> N1ghtm4r3: Quite possibly
[10:14] <jpatrick> ardchoille: seems he has it, but in french :D without the weird dep problems
[10:15] <N1ghtm4r3> ardchoille: is there a way to fix it? or its fucked?
[10:15] <Xcell> So stop showing off already.
[10:15] <ardchoille> jpatrick: yeah
[10:15] <jpatrick> !language | N1ghtm4r3
[10:15] <ubotu> N1ghtm4r3: Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.
[10:15] <N1ghtm4r3> !nofun | jpatrick
[10:15] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about nofun - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[10:15] <N1ghtm4r3> lol
[10:15] <ardchoille> N1ghtm4r3: Try this for me: sudo apt-get autoremove
[10:15] <N1ghtm4r3> joking with you jpatrick
[10:16] <jpatrick> ;)
[10:16] <Xcell> Showing off is a sign of insecurity.
[10:16] <Xcell> brb in 3 mins.
[10:16] <N1ghtm4r3> ardchoille: it is asking me *same list* is gona be removed , do you want to continue?
[10:17] <ardchoille> N1ghtm4r3: autoremove removes files/deps that are no longer needed. Your call, but I would recommend it
[10:17] <N1ghtm4r3> ardchoille: you are the master here lol im still a n00bunteros
[10:18] <ardchoille> N1ghtm4r3: Seems you had a lot of junk left over from the ubuntustudio-desktop install
[10:18] <N1ghtm4r3> ardchoile: pretty much yeah
[10:18] <ardchoille> That should get rid of it
[10:18] <N1ghtm4r3> ardchoile: its uninstallin now
[10:19] <N1ghtm4r3> ardchoille: is this gona remove ubuntu studios too? *i wish*
[10:19] <ardchoille> N1ghtm4r3: When that's done, we're going to search for the flashplugin
[10:19] <N1ghtm4r3> ardchoille: i think its done now
[10:19] <N1ghtm4r3> ardchoille: yeah it is
[10:20] <Xcell> Yeeehaw!
[10:21] <Xcell> Thaks.
[10:21] <ardchoille> N1ghtm4r3: ok, do this: find /usr -type f -name libflashplayer.so
[10:21] <N1ghtm4r3> ardchoille: so now i type sudo apt-get flashinstall-nonfree ?
[10:21] <ardchoille> N1ghtm4r3: You already have it installed, don't you?
[10:21] <N1ghtm4r3> ardchoille: normaly , i dont even know if it is due to the whole list of junk
[10:22] <N1ghtm4r3> ardchoille: its searching now
[10:22] <Xcell> stoopid kee bord
[10:22] <N1ghtm4r3> Xcell: lol
[10:22] <Xcell> I want a refund.
[10:23] <N1ghtm4r3> Xcell: lemme guess ... A Open?
[10:23] <Xcell> ya
[10:23] <Xcell> lol
[10:23] <N1ghtm4r3> Xcell: LOL im a keyboard geek!
[10:23] <Xcell> I can tell.
[10:23] <vzduch> ardchoille: while you're at it.. how's the latest Flash plugin (9.0.115.0) doing in *buntu?
[10:24] <ardchoille> vzduch: Dunno, I have 9.0.48
[10:24] <N1ghtm4r3> Xcell: mines an Aopen too but i got lucky , the store that sold it to me is runed by old school hackers , they dont sell bad stuff
[10:24] <Xcell> nice
[10:25] <N1ghtm4r3> Xcell: IE my brother , his boss and his friend
[10:25] <Xcell> I was the oposite..they sell to tell.
[10:25] <vzduch> I downgraded to the .48.. the .115 seems to be nonfunctional.. crashes nspluginviewer & doesn't play local .swf files
[10:25] <N1ghtm4r3> Bill Gates style!
[10:25] <Xcell> Imust admit..the realtek i/o is super fast.
[10:25] <N1ghtm4r3> ardchoille: ... i dunno if it found something
[10:26] <ardchoille> vzduch: Well, I don't install anything unless it's in the repos.
[10:26] <N1ghtm4r3> ardchoille: i think not actualy
[10:26] <ardchoille> N1ghtm4r3: It would print out what it found. if it retunred nothing, then it ofund nothing.
[10:26] <Xcell> My i/o is so fast im afraid to upgrade.
[10:26] <ardchoille> N1ghtm4r3: apt-cache policy flashplugin-nonfree | grep -i install
[10:26] <N1ghtm4r3> ardchoille: ok then it didnt find anything
[10:27] <N1ghtm4r3> ardchoille: Installé : 9.0.48.0.2+really0ubuntu12
[10:27] <Xcell> My new mobo cant compare.
[10:27] <Xcell> And I am on a 2003 mobo...go figure.
[10:27] <ardchoille> N1ghtm4r3: Ok, I don't get it. You have installed the correct package, yet the plugin can't be found.
[10:28] <ardchoille> N1ghtm4r3: sudo apt-get remove flashplugin-nonfree && sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
[10:28] <Xcell> brb duty
[10:28] <pag> N1ghtm4r3, see, if you really have multiverse enabeld, and then command " sudo apt-get install --reinstall flashplugin-nonfree "
[10:29] <N1ghtm4r3> ardchoille: the && means it will begin the second command right after the first one is over?
[10:29] <ardchoille> N1ghtm4r3: yes
[10:29] <ardchoille> pag: He's on Gutsy, all repos should be enabled by default.
[10:30] <N1ghtm4r3> !paste
[10:30] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[10:30] <ardchoille> N1ghtm4r3: Can you pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list for me please?
[10:31] <N1ghtm4r3> ardchoille: this is what it gave me after the download http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/47346/
[10:31] <N1ghtm4r3> ardchoille: sure i'd do it .. where do i get it x_X
[10:32] <ardchoille> N1ghtm4r3: Ah hah, plastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:32] <Xcell> k
[10:33] <Xcell> yuhooooo kubuntu Rocks...
[10:34] <Xcell> Pinch me.
[10:34] <N1ghtm4r3> ardchoille: like i said ... im a newbee with linux , where do i find it
[10:34] <ardchoille> N1ghtm4r3: in a terminal:  kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:35] <N1ghtm4r3> ardchoille: nvm i think i found it in the root folder
[10:35] <ardchoille> N1ghtm4r3: Don't need sudo because we aren't chaning anything
[10:35] <ardchoille> N1ghtm4r3: It better not be in the root folder
[10:35] <N1ghtm4r3> ardchoille: so sudo actualy overwrite something?
[10:36] <ardchoille> sudo runs a command as if root had ran it. we don't need it right now because we aren't editing the sources, just reading it
[10:36] <N1ghtm4r3> oooh ok
[10:36] <ardchoille> N1ghtm4r3: First rule of thumb, never use sudo unless you really need it
[10:36] <Xcell> I fel like a virgin..bill has to pay...lol.
[10:37] <Xcell> bad joke..j/k.
[10:38] <N1ghtm4r3> ardchoille: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/47347/
[10:38] <N1ghtm4r3> Xcell: you wanna rape bill or what?!
[10:38] <Xcell> Raping bill would only make you stand in line.
[10:38] <N1ghtm4r3> ...indeed
[10:39] <N1ghtm4r3> XD
[10:39] <Xcell> I dont have time for financial wizards that will eventually fall by the way side.
[10:39] <mosiac> ok i broke it again, i unchecked the nvidia drivers because i was getting a lot of relics and glitches but now my resolution isnt set to widescreen like the moniter and no matter what I set it to, it doesnt go right what did i mess up?
[10:40] <N1ghtm4r3> ardchoille: so infact , if i want to modify my sources.list i have to use sudo?
[10:40] <ardchoille> mosiac: To change video drivers, you need to edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf and restart xorg
[10:40] <Xcell> People:...We the people (need) to support Kubuntu)..why?...Think about the money U wasted with windoze...U do the math.
[10:40] <ardchoille> N1ghtm4r3: Correct
[10:41] <ardchoille> N1ghtm4r3: Well, use sudo if editing in a cli app like vim, but you use kdesudo for editing in a gui app like kate or kedit
[10:41] <N1ghtm4r3> ardchoille: first time someone actualy teach me something about linux ... ussualy peoples just go 'do this and that'
[10:41] <ardchoille> N1ghtm4r3: teach a man to fish.. :)
[10:41] <Xcell> Kubuntu is a whole new learning experience...it takes time..but it is a honest ays work compared to buddy bill.
[10:42] <Xcell> days
[10:42] <N1ghtm4r3> ardchoille: and he will have food all his life
[10:42] <ardchoille> Right
[10:42] <N1ghtm4r3> ardchoille: thats some wise words
[10:42] <ardchoille> N1ghtm4r3: I really don't understand why you are having this problem with the fplash plugin.
[10:43] <N1ghtm4r3> ardchoille: well just like it just said , it wasnt installed , how do i install it now? considering i have the file
[10:44] <N1ghtm4r3> ardchoille: you made me download it right after i deleted it right?
[10:44] <ardchoille> Well, you can simply cd /var/cache/apt/archives  and do  sudo dpkg -i name_of_package
[10:45] <Hirvinen_> window goto
[10:46]  * ardchoille hands Hirvinen_ a /
[10:52] <N1ghtm4r3> ardchoille: what? it keeps doing it
[10:52] <N1ghtm4r3> ardchoille: omg .... alright lets give it a try
[10:53] <Eicca> how come the [½§] and [alt] button wont work in wine? can those get somehow fixed?
[10:53] <N1ghtm4r3> !paste
[10:53] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[10:53] <eshat> hey all ,.. if i open a window in dolphin it's size does always get small so that i have to maximize each window ,... is there a setting for this behavior ???
[10:54] <N1ghtm4r3> ardchoille: it gives me this error in Konqueror when i try flash : Erreur : http://video.google.fr/videohosted?docid=-3563784723686953251 : TypeError: Undefined value
[10:54] <ardchoille> N1ghtm4r3: You might want to bookmark the pastebin :)
[10:54] <eshat> ok i found the error
[10:54] <N1ghtm4r3> ardchoille: yeah
[10:55] <Xcell> k
[10:56] <N1ghtm4r3> ardchoille: sooo ... that means no flash at all for me?
[10:56] <ardchoille> N1ghtm4r3: The only thing I can think of is that the ubuntustuido install messed something, but I can't figure out what or how to fix it
[10:56] <N1ghtm4r3> ardchoille: shit
[10:56] <ardchoille> N1ghtm4r3: Well, if it were me, I'd backup all personal files and reinstall, but this time don't mess with ubuntustudio
[10:56] <Xcell> ardchoille:  where you @ dont tell if not necessary..
[10:56] <Xcell> dont
[10:56] <ardchoille> I hate having a system that isn't in prime working order
[10:57] <N1ghtm4r3> ardchoille: aw man then i'd have to reinstall wine and all this ..
[10:57] <mosiac> reinstalling wine is pretty easy
[10:57] <N1ghtm4r3> ardchoille: and it takes an eternity just to install kubuntu .. isnt there just a restore option?
[10:57] <ardchoille> N1ghtm4r3: It's up to you. Or you could post this problem on ubuntu forums and see what they say
[10:57] <Xcell> me 2 ardchoille i hate sillt systems that act like they want to and cant.
[10:57] <Xcell> silly
[10:58] <ardchoille> N1ghtm4r3: Try the ubuntu forums first
[10:58] <Xcell> k
[10:58] <Xcell> closed
[10:58] <N1ghtm4r3> ardchoille: i dunno .. might take too long before they answer and i'd like to fix it before i go to bed
[10:59] <oobe> ya
[10:59] <ardchoille> N1ghtm4r3: You'd be surprised, those forums are awesome
[11:01] <oobe> does anyone know some good scripts to download tv episode data for mythvideo like imdb.pl but for tv eps
[11:02] <Xcell> oi
[11:03] <Xcell> my kee bord needs wd40.
[11:04] <bucatoamano> hello kommander problem how i can setglobal to send to another dialog ?
[11:04] <bucatoamano> *how can i
[11:04] <Xcell> tires but still stays.
[11:05] <Xcell> 6 am here
[11:06] <N1ghtm4r3> ardchoille: can you link them to me? for some reason the only site related to ubuntu i find is the one from france and there is hardly ever any replies from there , the other site i get is a world wide operation or something
[11:06] <Xcell> Beats the birds to the yawn.
[11:06] <ardchoille> N1ghtm4r3: Sure, http://ubuntuforums.org
[11:07] <N1ghtm4r3> ardchoille: thanks , sorry if im anoying
[11:07] <Xcell> Kubuntu is keeping me up.
[11:08] <Xcell> I'm addicted.
[11:08] <Xcell> N1ghtm4r3:  neve.
[11:08] <Xcell> r
[11:09] <Xcell> Its late and we all need sleep.
[11:09] <ardchoille> N1ghtm4r3: You're not annoying, I enjoy helping. Sorry I couldn't be more help
[11:09] <N1ghtm4r3> ardchoille: eh its fine , that other guy will get a kick in the nuts for screwing my Kubuntu up tho
[11:09] <Xcell> who N1ghtm4r3.
[11:09] <N1ghtm4r3> ardchoille: you still taught me a lot
[11:10] <N1ghtm4r3> Ltn Sabre Vulpine i think
[11:10] <Xcell> wow..typical..I got that treatment til i mey ardchoille.
[11:10] <Xcell> met
[11:11] <Xcell> The man knows..and what he does not know he wil tell ya..that is the meqsure of a man.
[11:11] <Xcell> measure.
[11:12] <Xcell> The man Rocks.,
[11:12] <Xcell> very studied.
[11:12] <Xcell> nif said.
[11:14] <Xcell> N1ghtm4r3:  where are ya..
[11:15] <N1ghtm4r3> xcell: im right here
[11:15] <Sulo_Seppa> if I get KDE4 in the repos, will it replace my current KDE installation or can I switch between them?
[11:16] <vzduch> it's supposed to be separate
[11:17] <Xcell> sspoken from an angry man.
[11:17] <ardchoille> Sulo_Seppa: It installs kde4 so you can use it along side your current kde install
[11:17] <Xcell> I'll bet he hates life.
[11:17] <Sulo_Seppa> Okay I thought so. I just hate doing blind development:)
[11:18] <Xcell> vzduch: Drink more beer.
[11:18] <vzduch> Xcell: nevah
[11:19] <Sulo_Seppa> beer is good
[11:19] <Xcell> U axcell inhatred..it shows......enjoy.
[11:19] <vzduch> I've had enough beer in my life it'll last till my pension (which is not sure that I'll receive it when I'm 67..)
[11:20] <N1ghtm4r3> ardchoille: there we go http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=3913602#post3913602
[11:20] <Xcell> That settles it vzduch.U told on urself..U angry selfish man U.
[11:20] <Xcell> waiting to retire to do....nothing.
[11:21] <Xcell> but complain.
[11:21] <vzduch> Xcell: selfish - perhaps.. angry - definitely not
[11:21] <Xcell> ALL the time..old fart.
[11:21] <ardchoille> N1ghtm4r3: Good job :)
[11:21] <vzduch> and how do you wanna know I complain all the time?  do you know me? o0
[11:22] <Sulo_Seppa> Knowing people is overrated. knowing beer is not.
[11:22] <Xcell> I watch vzduch.
[11:22] <Xcell> U r anger selfish old man....self telling.
[11:23] <Xcell> Alays bitching at those whom cant compete on your level.
[11:23] <Xcell> always
[11:24] <vzduch> stop it already.. else I _will_ get angry..
[11:24] <pag> N1ghtm4r3, erm.. didn't your installation of Flash failed on "md5sum mismatch"?
[11:24] <N1ghtm4r3> pag: i think?
[11:24] <pag> N1ghtm4r3, hmm.. try enabling proposed updates repos, and reinstalling the flash..
[11:25] <Xcell> silly old man..give some one life through your experiences..pass it on.
[11:27] <pag> N1ghtm4r3, or actually neverming - those repos don't have flash (yet?).. Installing it manualy should work though..
[11:27] <Xcell> Be glad for something  your riches perish else wise.
[11:27] <N1ghtm4r3> pag: we've been trying all night actualy
[11:28] <eshat> Hey all ,.. i have a problem with my FN-Keys in kubuntu ,....
[11:28] <Sulo_Seppa> what is the problem, eshat?
[11:29] <eshat> if can't control my sound woth the FN Keys,... i only switch between 17 % an 0 % but sound does not change,... pressing fn+mute works ,... i alread tried to change global hotkeys in kmix,... also no change
[11:29] <eshat> eshat: sorry for my bad english
[11:30] <pag> N1ghtm4r3, try the following in konsole: "locate flash | grep plugin"
[11:31] <N1ghtm4r3> pag: /usr/share/app-install/desktop/flashplugin-nonfree.desktop
[11:31] <ardchoille> pag: The problem was that the libflashplugin.so file isn't on his system
[11:32] <Sulo_Seppa> eshat: did you set your sound levels right?
[11:32] <pag> ardchoille, I know... I've experienced that problem myself once..
[11:32] <ardchoille> pag: Ah, ok, maybe you can get it working for him
[11:32] <eshat> Sulo_Seppa: where to set?
[11:33] <stuffcorpse> hello, firefox is doing weird things with .txt files. it always pops up a download box instead of displaying in the browser. anyone knows whats up wth that?
[11:33] <vzduch> eshat: KMix and/or alsamixer
[11:33] <Sulo_Seppa> eshat: but you can change sound in kmix
[11:33] <pag> ardchoille, I'll try... it's harder to explain than I though (no 'this-fixes-all' command for this :( )
[11:33] <Sulo_Seppa> stuffcorpse: yes, you are using firefox. use a better browser
[11:34] <eshat> Sulo_Seppa: i think it is set up rightly
[11:34] <vzduch> hrhr
[11:34] <Sulo_Seppa> stuffcorpse: or choose to handle hte fire correctly
[11:34] <Sulo_Seppa> the*
[11:34] <ardchoille> pag: That's actually a good thing, N1ghtm4r3 likes to learn rather than have yo do it for him, it's a good attitude to have
[11:34] <stuffcorpse> Sulo_Seppa: better browser as in konqueror?
[11:34] <Sulo_Seppa> konqueror is one, yes.
[11:34] <stuffcorpse> Sulo_Seppa: handle what?
[11:35] <pag> N1ghtm4r3, you'll need to download the flash-package from Adobe site, since I can't remember where it can be found on system
[11:35] <Sulo_Seppa> eshat: you can only switch between 0% and 17% using the function keys?
[11:35] <eshat> is there a way to configure kmilo ???
[11:35] <stuffcorpse> Sulo_Seppa: i use konq sometimes actually
[11:35] <eshat> Sulo_Seppa: sorry,,... i meant 0% and 11 % when pressing fn+up or fn+down
[11:35] <Sulo_Seppa> stuffcorpse: edit->pref->content
[11:35] <Sulo_Seppa> eshat: and it won't increase any more? wow..
[11:36] <stuffcorpse> Sulo_Seppa: there's no txt entry in file types
[11:36] <Sulo_Seppa> make one
[11:36] <eshat> Sulo_Seppa: yes,... also i only see the changes it that little box that appers while pressing,... if i open kmix there nothing changes when i press fn+up or down
[11:36] <stuffcorpse> Sulo_Seppa:i don't know how
[11:37] <N1ghtm4r3> pag: alright brb
[11:37] <pag> N1ghtm4r3, or hmm.. actually it's in /var/cache/flashplugin-nonfree/install_flash_player_9_linux.tar.gz  so copy that to your desktop and extract there
[11:37] <eshat> is there a way to configure kmilo ,... or should i remove kmilo ???
[11:37] <Sulo_Seppa> kmilo?
[11:37] <ardchoille> !info kmilo
[11:38] <ubotu> kmilo: laptop special keys support for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.8-0ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 66 kB, installed size 240 kB
[11:38] <Sulo_Seppa> eshat: Well obviously it is changing the sound if you hit the function keys, so the keys aren't the problem
[11:40] <N1ghtm4r3> pag: done , what do i do next?
[11:41] <pag> N1ghtm4r3, navigate there with konsole ( cd Desktop/$WhateverTheNewDirectoryIsCalled )
[11:41] <pag> N1ghtm4r3, or open that dir with Konq. and hit F4.. should also work..
[11:42] <Xcell> yay go to the other 1
[11:43] <N1ghtm4r3> pag: then i hit enter?
[11:43] <pag> N1ghtm4r3, yup.. it should take you to that dir
[11:44] <N1ghtm4r3> pag: alright i am
[11:44] <N1ghtm4r3> pag: what do i do now?
[11:44] <pag> N1ghtm4r3, are you trying to get it to work with Firefox or Konq.?
[11:44] <N1ghtm4r3> pag: Konq
[11:45] <pag> N1ghtm4r3, ok... could you pastebin the output of ' ls '
[11:46] <Sulo_Seppa> Wait.. what are you doing? trying to install flash?
[11:46] <compuman> Hi guys, I have a problem.  I am in Ubuntu safe mode right now.  Accessing the default session gives me an "your session lasted less than ten seconds" error.  Can someone please help me, as this is my productivity machine?
[11:47] <ardchoille> compuman: That sounds like a problem with GDM (gnome display manager)
[11:47] <Sulo_Seppa> compuman: What were your recent changes?
[11:47] <pag> Sulo_Seppa, yup. it doesn't want to go through repos, since Adobe and Ubuntu seem to disagree on md5sum :(
[11:47] <compuman> Sulo_Seppa: Install RealPlayer, afaik.
[11:48] <Sulo_Seppa> compuman: Can you tell me more about the situation? Did you just boot up and that happen or were you changing stuff and that happened?
[11:48] <N1ghtm4r3> pag: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/47350/
[11:49] <ardchoille> pag: So he just needs to cp the libflashplayer.so file to /usr/lib ?
[11:49] <pag> N1ghtm4r3, allright.. try the following now: "sudo cp libflashplayer.so /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree/libflashplayer.so "
[11:49] <Sulo_Seppa> pag: just get it from 3rd party or something
[11:50] <N1ghtm4r3> pag: it asked for my pass then .. nothing , just back to ls
[11:51] <Sulo_Seppa> compuman: well?
[11:51] <pag> N1ghtm4r3, commands do not provide output if everything goes well ;)
[11:51] <N1ghtm4r3> pag: THAT is fun to know actualy o_o ..
[11:51] <N1ghtm4r3> pag: msdos definitly aint like this lol
[11:51] <compuman> Sulo_Seppa: I made a symbolic link for realplayer.
[11:52] <Sulo_Seppa> compuman: sudo chown (username) .ICEauthority
[11:52] <Sulo_Seppa> according to ubuntuforums
[11:53]  * N1ghtm4r3 sings *This , is the sound! This , is the sound! This , is the sound! Like a Drug Drug!
[11:53]  * N1ghtm4r3 trance
[11:53] <compuman> What will that do, Sulo_Seppa?
[11:53] <Sulo_Seppa> compuman: hopefully fix it
[11:54] <Sulo_Seppa> if not, then come back and I'll tell you something else to try
[11:54] <pag> N1ghtm4r3, next you could do " ln -s /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree/libflashplayer.so /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/ "
[11:54] <compuman> process:5335): Gtk-WARNING **: This process is currently running setuid or setgid.
[11:54] <compuman> This is not a supported use of GTK+. You must create a helper
[11:54] <compuman> program instead. For further details, see:
[11:54] <compuman>     http://www.gtk.org/setuid.html
[11:54] <compuman> Refusing to initialize GTK+.
[11:55] <Sulo_Seppa> compuman: What?
[11:55] <N1ghtm4r3> pag: Permission not granted
[11:55] <compuman> An error message.
[11:55] <pag> N1ghtm4r3, oh... prefix that all with sudo
[11:55] <Sulo_Seppa> compuman: how did that error message originate?
[11:55]  * N1ghtm4r3 trances and sing 'Iiits a dreeeaaam'
[11:55] <stuffcorpse> Sulo_Seppa: I figured out what's wrong. thanks for the help
[11:55] <N1ghtm4r3> pag: uh?
[11:56] <compuman> It is what happens when I go in default session.
[11:56] <N1ghtm4r3> pag: sudo ln -s /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree/libflashplayer.so /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/ ?
[11:56] <pag> N1ghtm4r3, yup :)
[11:56] <N1ghtm4r3> pag: alright giving it a try
[11:56] <Sulo_Seppa> Why all that work to install flashplayer? why not just use flashplayer-installer or whatever it is?
[11:56] <pag> N1ghtm4r3, after you're done you could install konqueror-nsplugins ( sudo apt-get install konqueror-nsplugins ) and navigate to konq's Settings -> Plugins -> Search for new plugins (or something similiar)  iirc it should work after that..
[11:57] <N1ghtm4r3> pag: absolutely no output
[11:57] <pag> N1ghtm4r3, no output is good :-)
[11:57] <ardchoille> Sulo_Seppa: Because it won't work on his system
[11:57] <N1ghtm4r3> pag: done , now i gota reboot konq?
[11:58] <Sulo_Seppa> it won't work? why not?
[11:58] <pag> N1ghtm4r3, yup. might be a good thing to do
[11:58] <Sulo_Seppa> compuman: try rm ~/.gnome2/session
[11:58] <compuman> http://pastebin.com/d709edcc7
[11:59] <Sulo_Seppa> Try what I said, compuman
[12:00] <N1ghtm4r3> pag: nspluginviewer just crashed
[12:00] <deuryte_> xcell
[12:00] <Xcell> ya
[12:00] <neville> Is it possible at all to get a screenshot of a screensaver?
[12:01] <deuryte_> going back to beat them up......
[12:01] <N1ghtm4r3> pag: mh weird
[12:01] <Xcell> go to #jesus
[12:01] <Xcell> i cant
[12:01] <N1ghtm4r3> pag: now it doesnt give me a link to download flash
[12:01] <N1ghtm4r3> pag: but it gives me a blank grey square instead of where should be a video runing under flash
[12:01] <Sulo_Seppa> neville: you mean without destroying the universe? doubt it
[12:02] <pag> N1ghtm4r3, ok... le's try Sulo_Seppa's approach: " sudo rm /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so && chmod +x flashplayer-installer && sudo ./flashplayer-instaler "
[12:02] <N1ghtm4r3> pag: nspluginviewer crashed again
[12:02] <compuman> File apparently doesn't exist.
[12:02] <Sulo_Seppa> no no
[12:03] <N1ghtm4r3> pag: sudo: ./flashplayer-instaler: command not found
[12:03] <ardchoille> Well, bedtime for me.. been up since 6am yesterday.
[12:03] <Sulo_Seppa> compuman: well, there is some session file in ~/.gnome/ that you should delete
[12:03] <pag> N1ghtm4r3, are you still in that flash-dir on your desktop?
[12:03] <N1ghtm4r3> pag: woops XD
[12:03] <Sulo_Seppa> you shouldn't run flashplayer-installer as root
[12:03] <compuman> Nope.
[12:03] <Sulo_Seppa> it doesn't make sense..
[12:03] <pag> Sulo_Seppa, erm.. does it install in home-dir? :O
[12:03] <N1ghtm4r3> pag: lemme open a new one lol
[12:03] <vzduch> N1ghtm4r3: which Flash version did you install?
[12:04] <Sulo_Seppa> yes
[12:04] <ardchoille> Sulo_Seppa: The package manager runs it as root
[12:04] <Sulo_Seppa> package manager is mysterious
[12:04] <Sulo_Seppa> ./flashplayer-installer should be ran as user
[12:04] <ardchoille> Sulo_Seppa: The only way for the flash installer to work correctly is to run it as root
[12:05] <N1ghtm4r3> pag: rm cannot remove `/usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so': no files of this type
[12:05] <neville> Yeah, thought as much x.x;
[12:05] <Sulo_Seppa> No!
[12:05] <neville> I'll just try with xvidcap, thanks anyway though!
[12:05] <pag> N1ghtm4r3, you don't have to do this anymore - it already did that
[12:05] <N1ghtm4r3> pag: uh sorry
[12:06] <Sulo_Seppa> N1ghtm4r3: just do ./flashplayer-installer
[12:06] <pag> N1ghtm4r3, just run " chmod +x flashplayer-installer && ./flashplayer-instaler "
[12:06] <vzduch> pag: spelling..
[12:06] <Sulo_Seppa> ardchoille: not true at all. flash plugin installs in ~/.mozilla
[12:06] <ardchoille> Sulo_Seppa: No, it installs in /usr/lib
[12:06] <N1ghtm4r3> it doesnt find it .. it is not in ./
[12:07] <pag> vzduch, oh... quess I didn't have enogh coffee this morning ;P
[12:07] <Sulo_Seppa> what, N1ghtm4r3?
[12:07] <N1ghtm4r3> Sulo_seppa: its not in ./
[12:07] <N1ghtm4r3> Sulo_seppa: it just doesnt find it
[12:07] <pag> N1ghtm4r3, might be due I mispelled it...it should be  ./flashplayer-installer
[12:08] <N1ghtm4r3> pag: nope it still cant find it
[12:08] <pag> N1ghtm4r3, are you in the right dir?
[12:08] <ardchoille> N1ghtm4r3: pwd
[12:08] <N1ghtm4r3> ardchoille: ?
[12:08] <Sulo_Seppa> archoille: I am using flash. there is no flash plugin in /usr/lib
[12:08] <ardchoille> N1ghtm4r3: type: pwd
[12:09] <pag> N1ghtm4r3, give us output of that command, please :)
[12:09] <ardchoille> Sulo_Seppa: I installed it with the package manager and it installed in /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree/libflashplayer.so
[12:09] <N1ghtm4r3> pag:
[12:09] <N1ghtm4r3> christian@Norton-Killer:~$ ./flashplayer-installer
[12:09] <N1ghtm4r3> bash: ./flashplayer-installer: Aucun fichier ou répertoire de ce type
[12:09] <pag> N1ghtm4r3, I meant 'pwd'
[12:10] <N1ghtm4r3> pag:
[12:10] <N1ghtm4r3> christian@Norton-Killer:~$ pwd
[12:10] <N1ghtm4r3> /home/christian
[12:10] <ardchoille> N1ghtm4r3: ah :)
[12:10] <ardchoille> N1ghtm4r3: Wrong dir
[12:10] <Sulo_Seppa> N1ghtm4r3: where is flashplayer-installer located?
[12:10] <pag> N1ghtm4r3, cd Desktop/ins*
[12:10] <N1ghtm4r3> feck
[12:11] <pag> N1ghtm4r3, or actually.. just hit <tab> instead of *
[12:12] <N1ghtm4r3> im in
[12:12] <N1ghtm4r3> pag: im in
[12:12] <pag> N1ghtm4r3, just command " ./flashplayer-installer " then
[12:12] <ardchoille> He's going to get a permissions error without sudo
[12:12] <Sulo_Seppa> (before he tried repos, did he update?)
[12:13] <Sulo_Seppa> N1ghtm4re: type this: "chmod 777 fl*" then do "./flashplayer-installer"
[12:13] <N1ghtm4r3> pag: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/47351/
[12:14] <ardchoille> Sulo_Seppa: The script itself is coded to install it in /usr/lib. without sudo it will fail
[12:14] <ardchoille> Anyway, good night
[12:14] <N1ghtm4r3> gnight
[12:14] <ardchoille> Thanks for the help pag
[12:15] <buz> can i upgrade dapper to gutsy directly?
[12:15] <pag> N1ghtm4r3, allright... just in case: " sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get upgrade; sudo apt-get install --reinstall flashplugin-nonfree "
[12:15] <Sulo_Seppa> buz: no
[12:15] <Sulo_Seppa> buz: you must upgrade one at a time
[12:16] <buz> mpf
[12:16] <buz> that takes forever on a bloody 500k link
[12:16] <buz> easier to install from cd then
[12:16] <Sulo_Seppa> buz: I know, it sucks but that is the way they made it.
[12:16] <buz> what happens if i just bump dapper to gutsy in apt.sources
[12:16] <N1ghtm4r3> pag: long ass output
[12:17] <N1ghtm4r3> pag: but it end up with this
[12:17] <N1ghtm4r3> pag:
[12:17] <N1ghtm4r3> 07:16:36 (504.62 KB/s) - « ./install_flash_player_9_linux.tar.gz » sauvegardé [3036127/3036127]
[12:17] <N1ghtm4r3> Download done.
[12:17] <N1ghtm4r3> md5sum mismatch install_flash_player_9_linux.tar.gz
[12:17] <N1ghtm4r3> The Flash plugin is NOT installed.
[12:18] <Sulo_Seppa> N1ghtm4r3: I will walk you through this step by step, okay?
[12:18] <N1ghtm4r3> sulo_seppa: alright
[12:18] <Sulo_Seppa> cd ~
[12:18] <Sulo_Seppa> wget http://fpdownload.macromedia.com/get/flashplayer/current/install_flash_player_9_linux.tar.gz
[12:18] <deuryte> xcell
[12:19] <Xcell> ya
[12:19] <N1ghtm4r3> sulo_seppa: done
[12:19] <Xcell> lol I nailed it.
[12:19] <deuryte> how long is a ban
[12:19] <Sulo_Seppa> tar -zxf install_flash_player_9_linux.tar.gz
[12:19] <Xcell> dot know
[12:19] <Sulo_Seppa> cd install_flash_player_9_linux
[12:19] <N1ghtm4r3> sulo_seppa: done
[12:19] <Xcell> stand bye i'll mail you with a new room.
[12:19] <N1ghtm4r3> sulo_seppa: done
[12:19] <deuryte> 4
[12:20] <Sulo_Seppa> ./flashplayer-installer
[12:20] <Sulo_Seppa> and then do what it says. if you need any more help, just ask
[12:20] <N1ghtm4r3> sulo_seppa:asks me to press enter if i wanna instal
[12:20] <Sulo_Seppa> yes
[12:20] <Sulo_Seppa> just hit enter
[12:21] <N1ghtm4r3> sulo_seppa: didnt work
[12:21] <Sulo_Seppa> N1ghtm4r3: didn't work? with firefox?
[12:22] <N1ghtm4r3> sulo_seppa: im on Kubuntu , i wanna make it work on Konq , i dont have firefox installed
[12:22] <Sulo_Seppa> What did you try doing that did not work?
[12:22] <deuryte> sulo   u have a 64bit system??
[12:22] <Sulo_Seppa> oh okay
[12:22] <N1ghtm4r3> sulo_seppa: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/47352/
[12:23] <Sulo_Seppa> okay N1ghtm4r3, do this:
[12:23] <Sulo_Seppa> sudo apt-get install firefox
[12:23] <Sulo_Seppa> then open firefox, and close firefox
[12:24] <Sulo_Seppa> then do:
[12:24] <N1ghtm4r3> sulo_seppa: why? i wanna make it work on Konq
[12:24] <Sulo_Seppa> sudo apt-get remove firefox
[12:24] <lg188__> hey
[12:24] <N1ghtm4r3> sulo_seppa: Oooooh i get it
[12:24] <Sulo_Seppa> You need to do this first, N1ghtm4r3
[12:25] <lg188__> is cab available in kubuntu
[12:25] <Sulo_Seppa> wait, before the sudo apt-get remove firefox, install the flash plugin
[12:25] <Sulo_Seppa> cab?
[12:25] <N1ghtm4r3> cab is a iso file
[12:25] <lg188__> ahhh
[12:25] <lg188__> N1ghtm4r3: ty
[12:26] <N1ghtm4r3> YAY! I helped the comunity for the first time! =D
[12:26] <Sulo_Seppa> congratz :p
[12:26] <N1ghtm4r3> hehehehe
[12:26] <lg188__> Sulo_Seppa:  :)
[12:26] <Sulo_Seppa> Did it work, N1ghtm4r3?
[12:26] <lg188__> gongratz
[12:26] <lg188__> congratz*
[12:26] <N1ghtm4r3> Sulo_seppa: just installed firefox
[12:26] <Sulo_Seppa> okay
[12:26] <N1ghtm4r3> Sulo_seppa: now i run it once?
[12:26] <Sulo_Seppa> yes
[12:26] <N1ghtm4r3> wait
[12:27] <deuryte> w2ktu rocks
[12:27] <N1ghtm4r3> Sulo_seppa: it downloaded .. not sure if its installed yet
[12:27] <lg188__> it install auto after downloading  i think
[12:28] <Sulo_Seppa> well, just type firefox and press enter
[12:28] <Sulo_Seppa> because it's firefox, it will take forever to start up :p
[12:28] <N1ghtm4r3> Sulo_seppa: it takes longer than that on my windows partition lol , but thats cause theirs many plugins
[12:29] <N1ghtm4r3> Sulo_seppa: also .. Done!
[12:29] <Sulo_Seppa> okay
[12:29] <Sulo_Seppa> now, after running firefox, close it and do this:
[12:29] <Sulo_Seppa> ./flashplayer-installer
[12:29] <Sulo_Seppa> just hit enter a bunch
[12:31] <N1ghtm4r3> Sulo_seppa: installed , now it asked me if i wanna do a new instalation
[12:31] <Sulo_Seppa> nope
[12:31] <Sulo_Seppa> now, run konqueror
[12:31] <lg188__> what is mouting i forgotten
[12:31] <N1ghtm4r3> Sulo_seppa: it says to log out and back in for it to work
[12:31] <N1ghtm4r3> Sulo_seppa: screw this lol *starts konq*
[12:31] <Sulo_Seppa> it won't work..
[12:31] <Sulo_Seppa> probably
[12:32] <N1ghtm4r3> lets still give it a try no?
[12:32] <Sulo_Seppa> but keep konqueror open
[12:32] <Sulo_Seppa> click settings->configure konqueror
[12:32] <Sulo_Seppa> then on the left plane, scroll down to plugins
[12:32] <N1ghtm4r3> ok
[12:32] <Sulo_Seppa> on the bottom right, it has netscape plugins, click scan
[12:32] <lg188__> what means mouting ?i always forget
[12:33] <N1ghtm4r3> mounting means 'mounting' a c iso file (or a cab in your option) into a virtual drive
[12:33] <Sulo_Seppa> did it work N1ghtm4r3?
[12:34] <lg188__> N1ghtm4r3: ty, are you new ?
[12:34] <N1ghtm4r3> yeah im new here lol
[12:34] <Sulo_Seppa> mounting is loading a filesystem
[12:34] <N1ghtm4r3> and once its done should i try a flash?
[12:34] <lg188__> Sulo_Seppa: i no it from N1ghtm4r3
[12:34] <Sulo_Seppa> yes
[12:35] <lg188__> know*
[12:35] <Sulo_Seppa> but make sure the "search for plugins on kde startup" is checked
[12:35] <Sulo_Seppa> lg188__: But I am Finnish, so I am superior
[12:36] <lg188__> butt now i have to learn ( for school for French etc.)
[12:36] <lg188__> Sulo_Seppa:  ?
[12:36] <lg188__> N1ghtm4r3: good luck but you know much
[12:36] <Sulo_Seppa> suomi
[12:37] <Sulo_Seppa> does it work, N1ghtm4r3?
[12:37] <N1ghtm4r3> Sulo_seppa: no
[12:37] <pag> Sulo_Seppa, #kubuntu-fi ;-)
[12:37] <Sulo_Seppa> okay, just log out then log back in
[12:37] <N1ghtm4r3> Sulo_seppa: its nspluginviewer that crashed
[12:37] <N1ghtm4r3> provoked signal 11
[12:38] <Sulo_Seppa> pag: is that the cool people room?
[12:38] <Sulo_Seppa> N1ghtm4r3: well, just try logging out/in
[12:38] <pag> Sulo_Seppa, sure it is :D
[12:38] <N1ghtm4r3> Sulo_seppa: k brb
[12:39] <Sulo_Seppa> where are you from pag?
[12:39] <pag> Sulo_Seppa, originally from Russia - been living most of my life in Finland though :)
[12:40] <Sulo_Seppa> You dirty bastard
[12:40] <lg188__> pag: pleas stay on tpoic ... but talc i you wont
[12:40] <Sulo_Seppa> My grandpa died by you people :(
[12:40] <lg188__> Sulo_Seppa: ? pleas do not get angry ...
[12:40] <Sulo_Seppa> I'm just joking
[12:40] <pag> lg188__, sorry.
[12:41] <Sulo_Seppa> but really, my grandpa fought in the winter war, and died in viipuri
[12:41] <tianya> hello
[12:41] <Sulo_Seppa> Hello tianya
[12:41] <tianya> 有没 有人在啊
[12:42] <Sulo_Seppa> Nice picture
[12:42] <N1ghtm4r3> back
[12:42] <Sulo_Seppa> works
[12:42] <Sulo_Seppa> ?
[12:42] <tianya> working
[12:42] <tianya> who are you
[12:43] <stdin> !cn
[12:43] <ubotu> For Ubuntu help in Chinese 您可以访问中文频道： #ubuntu-cn 或者 #ubuntu-tw  或者 #ubuntu-hk
[12:43] <Sulo_Seppa> Does it work, N1ghtm4r3?
[12:43] <N1ghtm4r3> sulo_seppa: no , still the same blank grey square
[12:44] <bjwebb> hi
[12:44] <N1ghtm4r3> and when i quit or change page it crashes again
[12:44] <Sulo_Seppa> open konqueror and go to settings->configure konqueror and click on plugins again
[12:44] <bjwebb> im having trouble writing dvds
[12:44] <pag> N1ghtm4r3, if you haven't already removed FF, see if it works in it
[12:44] <Sulo_Seppa> bjwebb: what is the problem?
[12:44] <bjwebb> i can write CDs fine and also play dvds
[12:44] <bjwebb> Sulo_Seppa: k3b fails
[12:44] <Sulo_Seppa> bjwebb: you have a dvd writer correct? :D
[12:45] <bjwebb> yeah
[12:45] <Sulo_Seppa> Hmm, what output does k3b give you?
[12:45] <bjwebb> ive used it for dvds under windows
[12:45] <bjwebb> Sulo_Seppa: erm i had a pastebin but the site's down :(
[12:46] <Sulo_Seppa> N1ghtm4r3: click "scan for new plugins"
[12:46] <N1ghtm4r3> It works on firefox
[12:46] <N1ghtm4r3> its only the viewplugin that fails now
[12:46] <bjwebb> its says Write Error
[12:47] <Sulo_Seppa> bjwebb: is that it?
[12:47] <bjwebb> nah, ill paste debug somewhere
[12:47] <Sulo_Seppa> N1ghtm4r3: what plugin? you don't need a special plugin for konqueror
[12:47] <bjwebb> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/47355/
[12:48] <N1ghtm4r3> Sulo_seppa: actualy i think yeah , it needs one , pag made me install one tho
[12:48] <N1ghtm4r3> Sulo_seppa: and it says it needs one in the flash readme
[12:49] <Sulo_Seppa> bjwebb: restricted overwrite?
[12:49] <bjwebb> hmm, what does that mean
[12:49] <pag> N1ghtm4r3, konqueror-nsplugin is just a plugin wrapper - not the plugin itself
[12:49] <Sulo_Seppa> you aren't allowed to overwrite that DVD+RW?
[12:49] <bjwebb> Sulo_Seppa: hmm why not
[12:49] <Sulo_Seppa> try running sudo k3b and trying
[12:50] <bjwebb> okay
[12:50] <N1ghtm4r3> nspluginviewer
[12:50] <N1ghtm4r3> seems to be corupted or something
[12:50] <Sulo_Seppa> You don't need konqueror-nsplugin
[12:51] <N1ghtm4r3> how do i disable it then
[12:51] <Sulo_Seppa> sudo apt-get remove konqueror-nsplugin
[12:51] <Sulo_Seppa> purge that bitch
[12:51] <bjwebb> Sulo_Seppa: same probelm
[12:51] <shark> hello everybody
[12:51] <Sulo_Seppa> bjwebb: really?
[12:51] <bjwebb> yeah
[12:51] <N1ghtm4r3> IMMA PURGE THAT BEEOTCH!
[12:51] <Sulo_Seppa> bjwebb: is it writing at the right speed and everything?
[12:52] <bjwebb> i dunno really
[12:52] <N1ghtm4r3> christian@Norton-Killer:~$ sudo apt-get remove konqueror-nsplugin
[12:52] <N1ghtm4r3> [sudo] password for christian:
[12:52] <N1ghtm4r3> Lecture des listes de paquets... Fait
[12:52] <N1ghtm4r3> Construction de l'arbre des dépendances
[12:52] <N1ghtm4r3> Lecture des informations d'état... Fait
[12:52] <N1ghtm4r3> E: Impossible de trouver le paquet konqueror-nsplugin
[12:52] <bjwebb> im just using default settings
[12:52] <N1ghtm4r3> Impossible to find paquet for Konqueror -nsplugin
[12:52] <bjwebb> btw, it refers to it as appendable dvd medium
[12:52] <bjwebb> so perhaps theres something on it already
[12:52] <shark> i have only ONE question.. is KDE4 will be implemented in Kubuntu 7.10 or only in 8.04?
[12:52] <bjwebb> perhaps i should try erasing it
[12:52] <Sulo_Seppa> bjwebb: yep
[12:52] <Sulo_Seppa> erase it firest
[12:52] <ahmad> heyy
[12:53] <ahmad> i have a problem here
[12:53] <ahmad> i want to mount my NTFS hdd drive
[12:53] <ahmad> i want to mount my NTFS hdd drives
[12:53] <Sulo_Seppa> shark: you can upgrade to KDE4 in 7.10 but obviously it cannot be default, while it will be default in 8.04
[12:53] <Sulo_Seppa> ahmad: sudo mount /dev/ntfswhtaever /mount/whatever
[12:54] <bjwebb> Sulo_Seppa: hey thanks for the support
[12:54] <stdin> Sulo_Seppa: who said kde4 will be default in 8.04?
[12:54] <bjwebb> it appears to be working :D
[12:54] <pag> Sulo_Seppa, kde4 will *not* be default in hardy (8.04) we'll have to wait 'till 8.10 for that
[12:54] <bjwebb> :(
[12:54] <Sulo_Seppa> stdin: damn well better be
[12:54] <N1ghtm4r3> one more year lol
[12:54] <lg188__> what are al version like dapper and gutsy ?
[12:54] <Sulo_Seppa> what?
[12:55] <Sulo_Seppa> seriously?
[12:55] <stdin> Sulo_Seppa: I don't think it's ready for an LTS release, do you?
[12:55] <ahmad> Sulp_Seppa : it gives me that error :hal-storage-fixed-mount-all-options refused uid 1000
[12:55] <bjwebb> stdin: good point
[12:55] <Lynoure> Sulo_Seppa: have you tried kde4? and tried 'advanced' stuff like multiple desktops or multiple panels? :)
[12:55] <shark> and...do I will be able to install KDE4 to Kubuntu7.10?
[12:55] <Sulo_Seppa> Official release is in January, that gives you 3 months.
[12:55] <Sulo_Seppa> Too difficult?
[12:56] <Lynoure> Sulo_Seppa: just not happening yet.
[12:56] <Sulo_Seppa> shark: yes
[12:56] <Sulo_Seppa> Why the hell not?
[12:56] <shark> okay thanks..thats all. have good day...see you
[12:56] <bjwebb> KDE4 will be great, but probably won't be stable enough for them till kde4.1 i guess
[12:56] <ahmad> Sulo_Seppa : it gives me that error :hal-storage-fixed-mount-all-options refused uid 1000
[12:56] <Lynoure> Sulo_Seppa: 'code it yourself or wait' difficult
[12:56] <N1ghtm4r3> Sulo_seppa: .. it didnt work when i tried to uninstall .. im not daring to talk much you seem busy lol
[12:56] <Sulo_Seppa> N1ghtm4r3: can you translate?
[12:57] <stdin> Sulo_Seppa: can you make it rock solid and have it stable enough for enterprise companies to use for 3 years? if you can then I need to borrow your magic wand
[12:57] <N1ghtm4r3> Sulo_seppa: i did
[12:57] <pag> N1ghtm4r3, package is called konqueror-nsplugins not the konqueror-nsplugin
[12:57] <Sulo_Seppa> stdin: January is stable release
[12:57] <nosrednaekim> Sulo_Seppa: kde4 is not going to be in 8.04
[12:57] <nosrednaekim> Sulo_Seppa: despite what they say.... 4.0 is NOT going to be stable.
[12:57] <stdin> Sulo_Seppa: no, jan is 4.0 release, doesn't mean stable. it won't be considered stable until at least 4.1
[12:58] <Sulo_Seppa> stdin: They won't fix major release bugs in 3 months?
[12:58] <N1ghtm4r3> thanks pag
[12:58] <Sulo_Seppa> *sigh* oh well it doesn't really matter to me..
[12:58] <stdin> Sulo_Seppa: the'll fix release bugs, but not most bugs
[12:58] <Sulo_Seppa> Just sad to see that kubuntu won't have the latest stable release of KDE because there might be a few bugs..
[12:59] <N1ghtm4r3> pag , Sulo_Seppa , now to try it
[12:59] <lg188__> N1ghtm4r3: im bck but can't talk alot
[12:59] <lg188__> back
[12:59] <stdin> Sulo_Seppa: no it's not because "there might be a few bugs", it's because there *will* be *many* bugs
[12:59] <Lynoure> Sulo_Seppa: you can still install it on the side, just like you can now
[13:00] <N1ghtm4r3> pag Sullo_Seppa , now it gives me nothing ,
[13:00] <Sulo_Seppa> N1ghtm4r3: try scanning
[13:01] <Sulo_Seppa> Lynoure: well sure, but the fact that it is going to be excluded from the release is heartbreaking.
[13:02] <N1ghtm4r3> pag Sullo_Seppa , um there is no 'plugin' tab...
[13:02] <Sulo_Seppa> really?
[13:02] <Sulo_Seppa> okay, then do:
[13:02] <Sulo_Seppa> sudo apt-get install konqueror-nsplugin
[13:02] <Sulo_Seppa> s
[13:02] <Lynoure> Sulo_Seppa: Have you really tried the current release candidate? In the light of that, I find it not being in LTS kubuntu heartwarming.
[13:02] <nosrednaekim> lol
[13:02] <Sulo_Seppa> Lynoure: exactly. it is a release candidate.
[13:03] <neo> guys how can I make windows in one scree(dualhead) to divide the desktop evenly between them
[13:04] <muimota___> hello I-ve been a week with my kubuntu crashing at boot time... finally I have discovered the computercrashes when loading usb-core. I'd like to disable it temporally while I find another solution
[13:04] <Sulo_Seppa> neo: nvidia?
[13:04] <muimota___> how can I disable usb core
[13:04] <N1ghtm4r3> BLANK GREY SQUARE FTW!
[13:04] <bjwebb_> hmm why is compiz so crashy allo f a suddon
[13:04] <neo> ya
[13:04] <Sulo_Seppa> N1ghtm4r3: did you try scanning again?
[13:04] <nosrednaekim> muimota___: you should be able to do it with a kernel parameter
[13:04] <N1ghtm4r3> pag Sullo_Seppa : yep
[13:05] <N1ghtm4r3> pag Sullo_Seppa : im thinking more and more about a simple reinstall ..
[13:06] <Lynoure> Sulo_Seppa: So, you have tried it? You can always fork kubuntu, if it is worth it for you.
[13:06] <muimota___> nosrednaekim: do you know which paremater is that? in this year working with kubunut I know somethig about kde but almost nothing of the inside of linux
[13:06] <Sulo_Seppa> N1ghtm4r3: no wait! I got it working perfect here, I guess you do need nsplugins
[13:06] <N1ghtm4r3> pag Sullo_Seppa : ?
[13:06] <Sulo_Seppa> Lynoure: Nah, it doesn't really matter to me, I use archlinux
[13:06] <nosrednaekim> muimota___: yeah, I'm looking. why did it suddenly start doing this? did you upgrade the kernel?
[13:07] <muimota___> I computer left working correcly in a week or so
[13:07] <muimota___> after a upgrade I think
[13:07] <pag> nosrednaekim, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/flashplugin-nonfree/+bug/173890 \o/
[13:07] <neo> got the dualhead working but I have to manually resize the windows, how to make them divide the desktop more easily? some package for that?
[13:07] <pag> N1ghtm4r3, that link was for you... sorry nosrednaekim
[13:08] <nosrednaekim> pag: what?.... oh..ok
[13:08] <Sulo_Seppa> N1ghtm4r3: okay, instead of scan, click on the plugins tab
[13:08] <Sulo_Seppa> click plugins tabs next to scan
[13:09] <pag> N1ghtm4r3, try installing this one: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/10761023/flashplugin-nonfree_9.0.115.0ubuntu2_i386.deb
[13:09] <Sulo_Seppa> pag: will that work for konqueror?
[13:09] <Sulo_Seppa> pag: because it should be working nicely now..
[13:09] <pag> Sulo_Seppa, that will install it properly -> increases chanses
[13:09] <nosrednaekim> muimota___: you could try adding the "nousb" option on boot.
[13:10] <muimota___> ok, thanks I'll try
[13:10] <nosrednaekim> muimota___: do you know how to do that?
[13:11] <N1ghtm4r3> sulo_seppa pag : my lower bar just crashed ... its not there anymore
[13:11] <pag> N1ghtm4r3, alt+f2 -> kicker
[13:12] <N1ghtm4r3> thanks pag
[13:12] <N1ghtm4r3> lol
[13:12] <N1ghtm4r3> ZOMG ITS BACK!
[13:12] <nosrednaekim> or you can do "dcop kicker kicker restart"
[13:12] <neo> guys I have a pixelview tv tuner card install in my box, how to know if its recognized or not and is working or not
[13:12] <nosrednaekim> neo: lspci for the first question
[13:13] <Sulo_Seppa> I think he means drivers
[13:13] <N1ghtm4r3> pag: that link didnt fix much
[13:14] <N1ghtm4r3> sulo_seppa : alright i'll get ya a screenshot
[13:14] <neo> Is it Lspci or Ispci
[13:14] <pag> N1ghtm4r3, that package didn't install either?
[13:14] <nosrednaekim> neo: as a general rule, commands in linux are lowercase.
[13:15] <N1ghtm4r3> pag it did
[13:15] <neo> Ok its L.
[13:15] <nosrednaekim> small l...
[13:15] <neo> ya thanks
[13:15] <neo> reading about it right now
[13:15] <pag> N1ghtm4r3, does the plugin-scan still crash in konq?
[13:16] <N1ghtm4r3> pag the plugin-scan never crashed
[13:17] <N1ghtm4r3> pag: its when it tries to run a flash
[13:17] <pag> N1ghtm4r3, oh.. ok..
[13:17] <nosrednaekim> neo: "sudo lshw" might be a little better actually
[13:17] <neo> ok I did lspci and this is what I got,
[13:17] <neo> 02:07.0 Multimedia video controller: Conexant CX23880/1/2/3 PCI Video and Audio Decoder (rev 05)
[13:17] <neo> 02:07.1 Multimedia controller: Conexant CX23880/1/2/3 PCI Video and Audio Decoder [Audio Port] (rev 05)
[13:18] <pag> N1ghtm4r3, try the following just in case: "mv ~/.mozilla ~/mozilla" and then rescan for plugins
[13:19] <neo> Is it ok to ask my last question here or should I ask it in some multimedia forum/chatroom?
[13:19] <nosrednaekim> !hardware| neo great :D now look that up on this page
[13:19] <ubotu> neo great :D now look that up on this page: For lists of supported hardware on Ubuntu see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport
[13:19] <neo> ok thanks
[13:21] <RobertoM> I have a question about kbluetooth
[13:22] <RobertoM> Namely: kbtobexsrv is NOT included in the deb
[13:22] <RobertoM> so I can't send file from phones to PC or back
[13:22] <RobertoM> Is there hope for a fix, since the bug is fixed for Hardy?
[13:23] <nosrednaekim> RobertoM: thats weird, ask on #kubuntu-devel
[13:23] <RobertoM> ok, thanks!
[13:26] <andrea__> ciao
[13:26] <nosrednaekim> RobertoM: you could probably always use the hardy deb...
[13:26] <Sulo_Seppa> smoke time
[13:27] <RobertoM> I tried: there's a dependency on kdelibs that would hose the system I think
[13:28] <RobertoM> Actually, I just compiled kbluetooth and installed the missing dir with a sudo make install in the kbtobexsrv directory
[13:28] <RobertoM> But since I have many computer to fix, I'd like a new deb in the repos
[13:29] <nosrednaekim> RobertoM: yeah, if no-one is answeing in -devel, file a bug.
[13:29] <RobertoM> Already done ^^'
[13:29] <RobertoM> And it's "fixed in new version"
[13:29] <nosrednaekim> how long ago?
[13:29] <lg188__> ... boring studying
[13:29] <nosrednaekim> thats helpful..... not.
[13:30] <RobertoM> It was already open when I tried to file it
[13:30] <RobertoM> And there was also the "fix" for Hardy
[13:30] <RobertoM> I was wondering why it wasn't backported, since the original package works, and it's a deb packaging error from what I can understand from the bug
[13:31] <RobertoM> I know zero of deb packaging
[13:31] <bjwebb> Xorg is using a lot of cpue
[13:31] <bjwebb> but only when i open firefox
[13:31] <nosrednaekim> RobertoM: yeah, well, hang around and you should get an answer sooner or later on #kubuntu devel
[13:32] <nosrednaekim> bjwebb: compiz?
[13:32] <bjwebb> nosrednaekim: no
[13:32] <RobertoM> Ok, thanks :-)
[13:32] <bjwebb> although i have been having trouble with that recently too
[13:33] <bjwebb> i updated some stuff recently
[13:33] <bjwebb> can i get apt to tell me what?
[13:34] <nosrednaekim> I think there is a dpkg log.
[13:34] <nosrednaekim> in /var/log
[13:34] <bjwebb> thanks
[13:35] <bjwebb> dpkg.log dpkg.log.1 dpkg.log.2.gz dpkg.log.3.gz
[13:35] <bjwebb> which one :S
[13:35] <nosrednaekim> try the first
[13:35] <nosrednaekim> it should have times.
[13:35] <bjwebb> yeah
[13:35] <nosrednaekim>  ordates
[13:36] <Jucato> ls -l will tell which is the most recent
[13:36] <nosrednaekim> heya Jucato
[13:37] <Jucato> heya
[13:38] <lg188__> hey nosrednaekim
[13:39] <nosrednaekim> hello lg188__
[13:39] <bjwebb> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/47362/
[13:39] <bjwebb> could any of them affect xorg & firefox?
[13:39] <lg188__> i heat studying and my mother is asking the hole time to study
[13:40] <lg188__> nosrednaekim:  is all goin well ?
[13:41] <nosrednaekim> yup
[13:41] <bjwebb> nosrednaekim: any ideas
[13:42] <nosrednaekim> bjwebb: lol, no clue.
[13:42] <bjwebb> okay
[13:44] <tekteen> anyone know what to do if X.ORG gives you the message "can not find any screens"
[13:45] <CheGuevara3> tekteen, there should be more errors just before it says that
[13:46] <tekteen> CheGuevara3: there as other debug info
[13:46] <CheGuevara3> Xorg.0.log would be nice
[13:46] <tekteen> I over wrote it with the new install. :-D
[13:46] <tekteen> that was domb
[13:46] <RobertoM> tekteen: the most common cause is a problem with monitor detection or between its resolution and the maximum monitor resolution
[13:47] <tekteen> RobertoM: thanks
[13:47] <tekteen> I had already set the monitor to the correct resolution during install.
[13:48] <tekteen> I am going to see if I sill have the problem after this try.
[13:48] <RobertoM> so it worked during install... hmmm... does your pc have 2 video cards, as in, one embedded on the motherboard and the other on a bus?
[13:48] <tekteen> I am using the live installer instead of alternate
[13:48] <tekteen> RobertoM: no I use the alt cd :-)
[13:49] <tekteen> I am trying the live one in "Safe Graphics Mode"
[13:49] <RobertoM> ok :-)
[13:50] <tekteen> It is at 64%
[13:50] <sigma> well guys unfortunately i had to go back to firefox because konq just ain't cutting it
[13:50] <tekteen> sigma: unfortunately?
[13:50] <CheGuevara3> :P
[13:51] <sigma> tekteen: yup konq did offer some added advantages
[13:51] <tekteen> sigma: I only use konq for files
[13:52] <RobertoM> advantages like a multithreaded javascript engine :-)
[13:55] <Tm_T> RobertoM_[away]: nooooo
[13:55] <RobertoM_[away]> O_o
[13:55] <Tm_T> !away | RobertoM_[away]
[13:55] <ubotu> RobertoM_[away]: You should avoid changing your nick in a busy channel like #ubuntu - it causes unrequired scrolling which is unfair on new users. The same goes for using noisy away messages : use the command "/away <reason>" to set your client away silently - See also !Guidelines
[13:55] <RobertoM_[away]> ops sorry ^^'
[13:55] <Tm_T> np now you know ;)
[13:58] <N1ghtm4r3> back
[13:59] <N1ghtm4r3> anyone on?
[13:59] <N1ghtm4r3> pag ?
[13:59] <N1ghtm4r3> .. i dont remember the nickname of the other guy
[14:02] <sigma> yup what do u need?
[14:02] <N1ghtm4r3> nvm lol
[14:02] <N1ghtm4r3> thanks anyway
[14:02] <N1ghtm4r3> gota go to bed now
[14:02] <N1ghtm4r3> been up for more than 24 hours
[14:02] <nosrednaekim> me?
[14:02] <N1ghtm4r3> no
[14:02] <N1ghtm4r3> Sulo_seppa
[14:02] <nosrednaekim> its early!
[14:03] <N1ghtm4r3> bye bye everybody lol its 9am now and didnt sleep yet
[14:03] <nosrednaekim> lol
[14:03] <nosrednaekim> bye
[14:13] <lowden28> Hoi evrybody who can i instal QJacttl with the console - sudo apt-get qjackctl ?
[14:13] <stdin> lowden28: "sudo apt-get install qjackctl"
[14:15] <lowden28> stdin: thanks for your commandline help
[14:24] <molchy> HI
[14:35] <tekteen> Hey everybody. I am trying to change the resolution on my laptop using the guide on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto. how do I find the horizontal sync frequency and the vertical refresh rate?
[14:38] <CheGuevara3> tekteen, are u sure they are not auto etected fine?
[14:38] <tekteen> CheGuevara3: yes
[14:39] <ubuntu> Hi all. I'm installing Ubuntu from the alternate disc, and it got far, but it has stopped saying "Please put the disk with label "Ubuntu_7.10_Gutsy_Gibbon_  - Release i386" in station "/dev/cdrom" and press enter". But... it's already in there, and i can't eject the disk to put it in another drive. Can anyone help me?
[14:39] <CheGuevara3> what display driver?
[14:39] <llutz> tekteen: set Vertrefresh to 56-60
[14:39] <stdin> tekteen: you have to look at the manual that came with it, or google
[14:39] <tekteen> ok
[14:39] <tekteen> I tried calling HP
[14:40] <tekteen> they had no idea what I was talking about
[14:41] <tekteen> They understood I installed a new OS but at the same time asked me to open something in vista :-D
[14:41] <llutz> tekteen: that's why they don't sell laptops with HP/ux :)
[14:41] <CheGuevara3> tekteen, what video card make?
[14:42] <ksal> tekteen: laptop uses an LCD. it doesn't need refresh
[14:42] <tekteen> ij
[14:42] <ksal> you can # those lines in your xorg.conf
[14:42] <tekteen> ok
[14:42] <tekteen> ij is to the right of ok
[14:42] <tekteen> :-D
[14:43] <tekteen> does it need horizontal sync frequency
[14:43] <tekteen> ?
[14:43] <ksal> i could not set 1280x1024 resolution on my new LCD because of refresh lines in xorg.conf, so i commented them and it works now
[14:43] <ksal> i don't think so
[14:44] <ksal> comment it
[14:44] <tekteen> ok
[14:44] <ksal> anyway, nothing gonna break.
[14:44] <ksal> nothing is*
[14:44] <tekteen> then all I need to do is change the res.
[14:45] <ksal> if you won't be able to run X then you'll just launch rescue mode and in text mode you'll change those lines again
[14:45] <ksal> tekteen: yeah, but first reset X server
[14:46] <tekteen> ok
[14:46] <ksal> ctrl+alt+backspace will take care of that, if you're new.
[14:46] <tekteen> I have played with x before
[14:46] <ksal> uh-huh :)
[14:46] <tekteen> mostly getting 3D to work in 7.04
[14:46] <ksal> had fun? :P
[14:47] <ksal> i'm new on kubuntu, i installed GG 3 weeks ago, and i'm quite impressed
[14:48] <ksal> i was using fedora to that time
[14:48] <ksal> tekteen: good luck, i'm going. bye
[14:50] <tekteen> bye
[15:00] <tekteen> My computer works!
[15:04] <kubuntu> dae galera
[15:04] <kubuntu> algum brasileiro?
[15:05] <kubuntu> someone brazilian?
[15:06] <kubuntu> hello
[15:06] <Jucato> !br | kubuntu
[15:06] <ubotu> kubuntu: Por favor use #ubuntu-br ou #ubuntu-pt para ajuda em português. Obrigado.
[15:06] <lg188> alia jacta est
[15:07] <BluesKaj> Howdy all :)
[15:07] <Jucato> h
[15:07] <Jucato> hi
[15:08] <BluesKaj> hi Jucato , how's things this morn ?
[15:08] <Jucato> Sat Dec  8 23:08:34 PHT 2007
[15:09] <BluesKaj> oops, was out by 26mins :)
[15:10] <Jucato> :D
[15:10] <Jucato> more like an hour
[15:10] <BluesKaj> 08/12/07 10:09 am EST
[15:10] <BluesKaj> ok
[15:11] <BluesKaj> just woke up ,on my first coffee, eyes aren't focussing too well
[15:12]  * Jucato does a genii
[15:13] <BluesKaj> was up til 3am fixing up some photo albums to go to the photolab before christmas
[15:14]  * BluesKaj is learning the Gimp, slowly but surely 
[15:14] <Jucato> :D
[15:14] <Jucato> good luck :)
[15:14]  * Jucato slept at 3am, woke up at 7am... :)
[15:15] <BluesKaj> yer young, you can handle it :)
[15:19]  * Jucato looks at the calendar and doubts that...
[15:36] <lg188> ?? did any body said to me a was a long time not active by helping a history teacher with his site
[15:37] <BluesKaj> lg188, perhaps a german chat would suit your question ...
[15:37] <BluesKaj> !de | lg188
[15:37] <ubotu> lg188: Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[15:53] <sourcemaker> how can I install the kernel 2.6.23? Is this version in repos?
[15:58] <lg188> BluesKaj: no German but Dutch ,...and the Dutch say anything only if it is to block someone
[16:01] <BluesKaj> lg188, perhaps you could rephrase the question. It is very difficult to understand the meaning.
[16:02] <xaxe> #motril
[16:03] <BluesKaj> lg188, sorry , .be means belgium not Deutsch
[16:04] <BluesKaj> !be | lg188
[16:04] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about be - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[16:04] <lg188> BluesKaj:  yep
[16:05] <SGL> lg, what's your problem?
[16:05] <lg188> BluesKaj:  i wiil not say athing by now
[16:05] <lg188> SGL: nothing
[16:05] <SGL> Ah ok
[16:05] <lg188> is there going a fake CNN mail going around ?
[16:06] <lg188> owh by i need to go
[16:06] <lg188> sleep well :)
[16:06] <SGL> No idea
[16:06] <SGL> bye
[16:08] <xchat> hi
[16:08] <xchat> in kde how do I get to root to install flashplayer?
[16:09] <SGL> uh
[16:09] <SGL> sudo?
[16:10] <SGL> I take it you're pretty new to kubuntu?
[16:10] <SGL> xchat, add sudo in front of any command you want to run as root
[16:11] <BluesKaj> xchat, use adept with permission is the best bet
[16:11] <ShawnRisk> how do I restart this distro when it crashes on my MAC?
[16:12] <SGL> yeh
[16:12] <SGL> xchat: sudo aptitude install flashplayer-mozilla
[16:12] <grul> !anything
[16:12] <ubotu> So, you wanted to lure me into saying I don't know anything about anything? Yeah, that would be funny, of course. Now leave me alone.
[16:12] <xchat> how can I access the root priv.
[16:12] <grul> !love
[16:12] <ubotu> Love is like racing across the frozen tundra on a snowmobile which flips over, trapping you underneath. At night, the ice-weasels come.
[16:13] <SGL> priv.?
[16:13] <grul> !ntfs
[16:13] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions - For write access, see !NTFS-3g or !FUSE
[16:13] <nosrednaekim> lol
[16:13] <xchat> privledges
[16:13] <nalioth> !root | xchat
[16:13] <ubotu> xchat: Do not try to guess the root password, that is impossible. Instead, realise the truth... there is no root password. Then you will see that it is 'sudo' that grants you access and not the root password. Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo
[16:13] <SGL> grul, do you mind?
[16:13] <grul> SGL, yes
[16:13] <nalioth> xchat: #ubuntu-ops is not a support channel.  :)
[16:13] <nosrednaekim> !hate
[16:13] <ubotu> hate is a thing we don't encourage - why waste your energy
[16:13] <hydrogen> !botabuse
[16:13] <ubotu> Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (type also /msg ubotu Bot). Don't use commands in the public channels if you don't know if they really exist. Also avoid adding joke/useless factoids.
[16:14] <xchat> but my terminal doesn't change to root
[16:14] <ShawnRisk> anyone know?
[16:14] <martijn81> anyone else not able to login @msn on  kopete? gaim seems to still work here
[16:14] <nosrednaekim> xchat: use sudo-i then
[16:15] <nosrednaekim> martijn81: get all updates and that should be fixed
[16:15] <xchat> thankyou
[16:15] <martijn81> nosrednaekim: nope
[16:15] <SGL> I heard there were problems with MSN yesterday on live messenger too
[16:16] <ShawnRisk> how do I restart this distro when this crashes on my MAC?
[16:16] <martijn81> nosrednaekim: sorry, it already works
[16:16] <SGL> ShawnRisk, "sudo restart now"?
[16:16] <nosrednaekim> martijn81: what?
[16:17] <BluesKaj> yes SGL, MS is trying to patch it on windows , but dunno how it affects IM's on linux
[16:17] <SGL> Ah k. No clues
[16:17] <martijn81> nosrednaekim: i got it working again, it almost like they have a nicer value in place which places their own msn client at first in line
[16:17] <nosrednaekim> BluesKaj: known M$.....adversely
[16:17] <nosrednaekim> martijn81: no kiddin XD
[16:19] <ShawnRisk> SGL:  The screen is messed up I can't see anything, I just want a shortcut key to restart
[16:19] <SGL> ShawnRisk, I don't know what you did then. When did it crash?
[16:19] <BluesKaj> kopete runs usable versions of MSN
[16:19] <SGL> ShawnRisk, and can't you simply ress reset?
[16:19] <SGL> *press
[16:19] <ShawnRisk> SGL:  I am using a VM
[16:19] <SGL> ah ok. I didn't know that
[16:20] <SGL> You can use CTRL + ALT + BACKSPACE
[16:20] <ShawnRisk> and also I jut logged in and the screen is bad, it isn't crashed, just I can't do anything need to fix the monitor.
[16:20] <SGL> CTRL, Alt, Backspace usually resets your X session
[16:21] <Jeroi> hello
[16:21] <SGL> So if it all goes well you'll get your loginscreen again
[16:21] <Jeroi> 2 questions
[16:21] <Jeroi> 1. how to enable alsa spdif permanently in reboot?
[16:21] <nosrednaekim> Jeroi: shoot
[16:21] <Jeroi> I have to edit alsamixer now always when I reboot kubuntu
[16:22] <Jeroi> so that spdif-out works
[16:22] <nosrednaekim> crimsun: our dear alsa guy.,.... got any clue on that?
[16:23] <raph> hi, i have a little wheel to control the sound volume on my laptop (aspire 5920g). Two Problems: 1) If I rotate the wheel i can only change the volume from 0% to 11% (just two different states) 2) changing the volume like this doesn't have any effect :(
[16:23] <nosrednaekim> Jeroi: I'm not good with sound... next questio?
[16:23] <Jeroi> 2. Is there proper help for getting nivida-glx work with 2 monitors: 17" analog and 786p hd lcd
[16:23] <nosrednaekim> pag: yeah... nasty bug....
[16:23] <nosrednaekim> raph: ^^
[16:23] <nosrednaekim> wong name
[16:23] <Jeroi> or
[16:24] <Jeroi> I need real script for xorg
[16:24] <Jeroi> the best way would be not clone analog monitor
[16:24] <nosrednaekim> Jeroi: its possible, thats all I know, i've never messedwith multiple monitors wither
[16:24] <ShawnRisk> SGL: that worked, but now I need to fix the monitor
[16:24] <Jeroi> but widnows "extend"
[16:24] <Jeroi> well
[16:24] <SGL> ok ShawnRisk, I have no clue about running VM. Never have done that myself.
[16:25] <Jeroi> I am keen to have my lcd tv hooked with kubuntu
[16:25] <Jeroi> as we watch all the movies trough lcd tv
[16:25] <Jeroi> from my pc
[16:25] <ShawnRisk> SGL: I am trying to fix the monitor settings in this distro
[16:26] <nosrednaekim> !twinview
[16:26] <ubotu> xinerama is an extension to !X to use two or more physical displays as one large virtual display. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/XineramaHowTo - See also !DualHead
[16:26] <nosrednaekim> !dualhead
[16:26] <ubotu> Information about dual-head on linux can be found on http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/DualHead - See also !Xinerama
[16:30] <crimsun> Jeroi: / raph: need more info.
[16:31] <nosrednaekim> its Jeroi...
[16:32] <raph> is there a way to (re)configure my laptop (special) keys?
[16:33] <nosrednaekim> !hotkeys
[16:33] <ubotu> keyboard shortcuts can be set in K -> System Settings -> Keyboard & Mouse. Try also "Input Actions" in KControl. If your multimedia keys don't work with that, try the 'keytouch' package, explained at https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KDEMultimediaKeys - See !Keyboard for changing layouts
[16:35] <BluesKaj> Jeroi, #Setting spdif out on alsa:   http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/47404/
[16:39] <tarin> was something wrong with the channel last night?
[16:40] <BluesKaj> how do you mean tarin ?
[16:40] <tarin> i tried for an hour last night ot get on and it never would
[16:41] <nosrednaekim> mebe you were manned
[16:41] <nosrednaekim> *banned
[16:41] <nosrednaekim> or maybe someone banned a block of IPs
[16:41] <tarin> ahhhh
[16:41] <tarin> well i still cant get my internet in gutsy to work?
[16:42] <tarin> anyone have ny new suggestions?
[16:43] <vzduch> tarin: [2007-12-07 06:20:19] -christel(i=christel@freenode/staff/gentoo.christel)- [Global Notice] Hi all! One of our sponsors experienced a rather large ddos attack just now, which in turn caused disturbance on the network. As a result that leaf server is not accepting client connections atm. Apologies for the inconvenience and have a good day.
[16:47] <tarin> how do you uninstall and reinstall devices?
[16:47] <nosrednaekim> like what types of devices?
[16:47] <tarin> eth
[16:47] <tarin> i think thats the only thing i havent done
[16:48] <tarin> my pc is not seeing my router
[16:48] <nosrednaekim> modprobe andun-modprobe
[16:48] <elisiano> tarin, did u try to see if mii-tool detects link?
[16:48] <tarin> even if i static asign the ip i cant ping my router gateway
[16:48] <tarin> nope hadnt heard of that
[16:48] <elisiano> try that on a terminal
[16:49] <elisiano> with the root account or using sudo
[16:49] <tarin> eth0 link ok
[16:50] <elisiano> so the cable is connected correctly to the router
[16:50] <tarin> yup
[16:50] <elisiano> has your outer a dhcp activated?
[16:50] <elisiano> router*
[16:50] <tarin> yes dhcp is active
[16:50] <tarin> if i boot to windows everything works great
[16:50] <elisiano> :O
[16:51] <tarin> yes i am dual booting lol
[16:51] <tarin> if i can gget this to work i will be removing windows tho
[16:51] <elisiano> mumble...mumble... just a silly question: is your eth configured to get a dynamic ip?
[16:51] <tarin> yeah
[16:52] <tarin> i am actually a net admin
[16:52] <tarin> thats why this is bugging me so bad
[16:52] <elisiano> who isn't? :D
[16:52] <tarin> this all started when i upgraded to gutsy
[16:52] <tarin> everything worked great in festy
[16:52] <tarin> *feisty
[16:53] <elisiano> can u paste from that pc or u have to rewrite everything by hand?
[16:53] <elisiano> i guess u have to rewrtie
[16:53] <tarin> yup
[16:53] <tarin> not a big deal tho what do you need
[16:54] <elisiano> double check that's automatic
[16:54] <tarin> thru knetworkmanager?
[16:54] <elisiano> is there a stanza where it says something like "auto eth0" in /etc/network/interfaces ?
[16:55] <elisiano> I don't use graphical interfaces to setup the system, sorry
[16:55] <Jabapyth> How do i run a program on startup _with root permissions_?
[16:56] <nosrednaekim> !init
[16:56] <ubotu> Boot options: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootOptions - To add/remove startup services, you can use the package 'bum', or update-rc.d - To add your own startup scripts, use /etc/rc.local - See also !grub and !dualboot - Making a boot floppy: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto/BootFloppy - Also see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SmartBootManagerHowto
[16:56] <tarin> no thats cool i would rather learn thru console and yes its there
[16:56] <tarin> right under the loopback stanza
[16:56] <Jabapyth> thanks nosrednaekim
[16:56] <elisiano> try bringing it down and then up again
[16:56] <elisiano> ifdown eth0
[16:56] <elisiano> ifup eth0
[16:57] <tarin> done that a hundred times but will do it again one sec
[16:58] <tarin> no DHCPOFFERS
[16:59] <tarin> no working leases
[16:59] <elisiano> that's odd... if u say that in windows it works I guess it's some driver issue... which network card is it?
[16:59] <tarin> realtek
[16:59] <tarin> on board
[17:00] <nosrednaekim> 8139?
[17:00] <elisiano> dows it use 8139too module?
[17:00] <tarin> yup
[17:00] <nosrednaekim> wierd! thats the most widely used Ethernet chipset.
[17:01] <tarin> yeah i know
[17:01] <elisiano> I had a similar issue... it solved by plugging out from the pci and then in again
[17:01] <tarin> aside from a via
[17:01] <elisiano> but if it's on board it's a different issue
[17:01] <nosrednaekim> and intel.
[17:01] <tarin> yeah thats why i want to try uninstall and reinstall
[17:02] <tarin> thought it might help
[17:02] <nosrednaekim> tarin: is this an upgraded install?
[17:02] <tarin> yup from feisty
[17:02] <tarin> everything worked great before
[17:02] <nosrednaekim> tarin: and you still boot the fiesty kernel?
[17:02] <nosrednaekim> *can
[17:02] <tarin> nope
[17:03] <tarin> unless there is a way i dont know about
[17:03] <elisiano> right, u could try to boot an older kernel
[17:03] <tarin> at boot it gives me 6 options all of which are 7.10.xx
[17:03] <EternalNyt> If Anyone Has this Package {KDE Priority handler} Complied and Ready For install let Me Know
[17:03] <EternalNyt> Thanks
[17:03] <tarin> and my xp
[17:04] <nosrednaekim> tarin: you sure they are all Gutsy? no 2.6.19 kernels?
[17:04] <tarin> but if i boot to anything but the first option it doesnt load the desktop
[17:04] <tarin> lemme reboot and check
[17:04] <nosrednaekim> tarin: probably graphics driver issues
[17:04] <elisiano> grep ^title /boot/grub/menu.lst
[17:04] <nosrednaekim> tarin: which can be easily mended
[17:04] <elisiano> see which kernel versions u have
[17:05] <nosrednaekim> that works XD
[17:05] <EternalNyt> Has Anybody Tried the KDE Priority Handler ??
[17:06] <tarin> haha they all say 7.10 kernel 2.6.22 or 2.6.20
[17:06] <elisiano> u could try booting 2.6.20
[17:06] <elisiano> that was from feisty
[17:07] <BluesKaj> tarin, just a suggestion , but is your ethernetcard/dhcp/eth0 being recognized ? ..try lspci
[17:07] <elisiano> BluesKaj: it is since mii-tool recognize the device
[17:07] <BluesKaj> ok
[17:07] <nosrednaekim> BluesKaj: it is.... because he has a eht0
[17:07] <tarin> i have 2 one listed 16 the other 15
[17:08] <nosrednaekim> *eth0
[17:08] <tarin> which should i boot to
[17:08] <elisiano> ò_O`
[17:08] <BluesKaj> right, i should have scrolled back , now i'm up to speed (i think)
[17:08] <nosrednaekim> 16
[17:08] <tarin> lol
[17:08] <nosrednaekim> BluesKaj: haha
[17:09] <BluesKaj> odd, that the router isn't seen
[17:10] <tarin> do any of you have experience with dd-wrt firmware for routers?
[17:10] <BluesKaj> no
[17:10] <nosrednaekim> come to think of it.... OpenSuse did the same thing to my 8139...
[17:10] <bazhang> I suspect the router
[17:10] <nosrednaekim> tarin: only OpenWRT... and I don't really have experience with it... we just use iot
[17:11] <BluesKaj> tarin, do you use the browser addressbar to make changes like port forwarding etc in the router ?
[17:11] <tarin> you mean to get ot the router gui? yes i do
[17:11] <tarin> but from gutsy i cant get to it
[17:12] <BluesKaj> for ex , i type in "mynetwork" in any browser to open the a dialog with the router settings
[17:12] <tarin> wow this takes forever to boot
[17:12] <wladek> hi.  i'm running kubuntu 7.10.  i tried running the nvidia closed source driver by enabling it in the 'restricted drivers' section of my system settings, but i was getting unstable behaviour (black screen flashes and hangs).  so because i have a pretty new nvidia card i downloaded and installed the driver directly from nvidia's website.  everything seemed to go well but now i can't run nvidia-settings because the driver in 'restric
[17:12] <wladek> ted drivers' is not enabled
[17:12] <wladek> but i get the nvidia splash screen when i start up x server, so i assume it's running
[17:13] <EternalNyt> getting in lag on video's
[17:13] <nosrednaekim> wladek: yeah. the nvidia settings is probably conflicting.
[17:13] <tarin> blueskaj: yes i type the router ip 192.168.1.1 to get into the settings
[17:14] <BluesKaj> wladek, dunno about nvidia, but the old drivers should usually be uninstalled before installing a new one
[17:14] <oem> hello
[17:14] <tarin> i agree
[17:15] <nosrednaekim> tarin: tried booting one of those kernels?
[17:15] <nosrednaekim> hey oem
[17:15] <wladek> ok.. can i remove the old ones through the adept package manager or do i have to go about removing stuff manually?
[17:15] <oem> does anybody know where i can get a latex 2e for kubuntu?
[17:15] <tarin> still trying
[17:15] <nosrednaekim> wladek: just remove them from adept
[17:15] <tarin> it has stopped on not loading blacklisted module ipv6
[17:15] <nosrednaekim> wladek: should be "nvidia-glx"
[17:15] <jhutchins> !info latex
[17:15] <ubotu> Package latex does not exist in gutsy
[17:15] <jhutchins> !find latex
[17:16] <ubotu> Found: auctex, dblatex, latex-beamer, latex-ucs, latex-ucs-contrib (and 55 others)
[17:16] <wladek> ok
[17:17] <nosrednaekim> tarin: humm, try pressing ctrl+c
[17:17] <elisiano> tarin: in the kernel that takes forever to boot u should leave the options "quiet spash" in the grub configuration, so u can actually see what's going on
[17:17] <elisiano> sometimes it helps adding irqpoll to the line
[17:17] <wladek> brb
[17:17] <nosrednaekim> elisiano: you mean remove?
[17:17] <oem> i have already installed them.... but there's not yet a latex editor
[17:18] <tarin> did control c now im just sitting @ a prompt
[17:18] <elisiano> yes sorry
[17:18] <nosrednaekim> tarin: ok.... login
[17:18] <nosrednaekim> and run "sudo dhclient eth0"
[17:19] <tarin> elisiano: how do i add that stuff to the boot
[17:19] <tarin> and still no dchpoffers
[17:20] <elisiano> 2 ways: editing the line at runtime or editing /boot/grub/menu.lst
[17:20] <tarin> ok
[17:20] <nosrednaekim> tarin: yeesh.., thats weird!
[17:21] <tarin> also just did ifdonw ifup same result
[17:21] <nosrednaekim> tarin: you got any LiveCds around?
[17:21] <tarin> i have one for feisty
[17:21] <tarin> still waiting on my gutsy disks in the mail
[17:21] <nosrednaekim> tarin: try booting it up.
[17:21] <tarin> ok
[17:21] <elisiano> nosrednaekim: he said that with feisty all worked
[17:22] <nosrednaekim> elisiano: yup.... but the fiesty kernel didn't.
[17:22] <nosrednaekim> tarin: hey wait... you blacklisted ipv6?
[17:22] <tarin> i guess
[17:22] <tarin> it was a fix i found on the net
[17:23] <nosrednaekim> tarin: unblacklist that.... could be the problem
[17:23] <tarin> so dont boot to the cd then?
[17:23] <nosrednaekim> tarin: oh... it was not working before you put that in there?
[17:23] <tarin> nope
[17:24] <BluesKaj> i have ipv6 disabled and blacklisted but it doesn't seem to make much difference lately ,the konq browser is still pretty slow :(
[17:24] <tarin> ok booting to cd
[17:24] <nosrednaekim> tarin: ok... boot the cd then
[17:27] <sam64> the kubuntu page says there's something goin on in the "#kubuntu-devel" channel, but when I try to go there it says name lookup failed..
[17:28] <sam64> nevermind.. it works now
[17:28] <nosrednaekim> sam64: thats not right now..
[17:28] <nosrednaekim> this thursday
[17:28] <tarin> ok im in and it is recognizing an active connection on eth0
[17:29] <tarin> but i cant browse the net
[17:29] <tarin> wont bring up google
[17:29] <elisiano> :|
[17:29] <nosrednaekim> tarin: try pinging 192.168.1.1
[17:29] <EternalNyt> question ? I have tried using Kompile and comes up with Error Findin X lib.  any help would be nice
[17:29] <tarin> im getting a 169.254 ip
[17:30] <nosrednaekim> tarin: thats a bogus IP..
[17:30] <elisiano> 169.254? with linux?
[17:30] <tarin> yup
[17:30] <EternalNyt> during a compilation from a .tar.gz
[17:30] <elisiano> :O
[17:30] <nosrednaekim> looks like some thing is messed up with the Hardware..
[17:30] <elisiano> yeah
[17:31] <nosrednaekim> tarin: is it a desktop or a notebook?
[17:32] <sam64> nosrednaekim: I thought 07 on my clock was the year.. I should fix that
[17:32] <tarin> home built desktop
[17:32] <ihadgentoo> does my pupil size matter? and does grammar matter? if so how much (grammar)?
[17:32] <sigma_> finally i found a browser that integrates properly into kde! and has all my features!
[17:33] <Xcell> ya
[17:33] <nosrednaekim> sigma_: what is it?
[17:33] <sam64> Firefox?
[17:33] <nosrednaekim> tarin: so, do you have any network cards around?
[17:33] <sigma_> its called flock, based on firefox but they reworked the things that matter ie: the theme!
[17:33] <Xcell> Stand by deu..brb.
[17:34] <tarin> no i dont
[17:34] <tarin> i thought i did but if i do i cant find the d*** thing
[17:34] <sam64> oh, I thought you said poorly. Ill have to check that out. Firefox2 addons wont work with Firefox3, which also works good in KDE
[17:35] <sigma_> u have to disable quite a bit because its designed for teenagers but the main menus work perfectly
[17:35] <elisiano> sigma_: I'm using flock from a long time, but id dowsn't integrates any better than firefox in kde
[17:35] <elisiano> doesn't*
[17:35] <deuryte> xcell, did i here u rite?  stop everything im doin and bring my mach over???
[17:35] <tarin> ok so how do i unistall the net card and reinstall it?
[17:36] <Xcell> Momma aint here..but if ya want to.
[17:36] <elisiano> tarin: u told it is on board... is it a pci or integrated?
[17:36] <tarin> integrated
[17:36] <elisiano> so how would u reinstall it?
[17:36] <tarin> but i was hoping like windows i could unistall it from the os
[17:36] <tarin> and reisntall
[17:37] <elisiano> mmm nope
[17:37] <tarin> damn
[17:37] <elisiano> u can remove the kernel module
[17:37] <elisiano> and then reload it
[17:37] <nosrednaekim> tarin: nah... its part of the kernel
[17:37] <nosrednaekim> elisiano: thats really not going to do a bit of good.
[17:37] <elisiano> if u doo "rmmod 8139too" u shouldn't see eth0 anymore
[17:37] <Dr_willis> the way windows handles drivers.. and how linux handles 'drivers' are  like the north and south poles. :)
[17:37] <tarin> lol
[17:37] <elisiano> then modprobe 8139too
[17:37] <sigma_> elisiano: i just wanted a decent theme, dont really care about the other stuff, thats why it works for me
[17:37]  * Dr_willis needs a better analogy
[17:38] <tarin> i thought that was a good analogy
[17:38] <Dr_willis> Theres lots of themes out for firefox.  Depends on your needs i guess. :)
[17:38] <Dr_willis> tarin,  :) both are cold and nasty places.. where few men dare to tread...
[17:38] <nosrednaekim> Dr_willis: are like the dark side of the moon and the light side of the moon?
[17:38] <tarin> hahahahaha
[17:38] <Dr_willis> Only one has nice cute penguins.. and the other has Nasty Polar Bears.
[17:38] <sigma_> dr_willis: they all had problems for me or didn't look good enough
[17:39] <tarin> lol
[17:39] <Dr_willis> sigma_,  sounds like you need to just go make your own if you are that picky.
[17:39] <Dr_willis> :)
[17:39] <ihadgentoo> any of you know david deangelo allan pease (tv show 1987) ? and what is your opinion about him? thank you
[17:39] <EternalNyt> How about KDE priority Handler
[17:39] <Dr_willis> I though flock was in the repos.. lets see
[17:39] <tarin> im gonna have to see if i can find that card
[17:39] <bazhang> oy
[17:39] <Dr_willis> !find flock
[17:39] <sigma_> dr_willis: lol too much of a mission! but i like the flock one
[17:39] <nosrednaekim> don't think so.
[17:39] <ubotu> File flock found in tclx8.3, util-linux
[17:39] <EternalNyt> anybody using the Program
[17:40] <sigma_> its not in the repo's, at least i dont think it is
[17:40] <tarin> brb afk
[17:40] <elisiano> Dr_willis: it's not packaged
[17:40] <sigma_> but its easy to download and use, just unzip and click the flock executable
[17:40] <sigma_> has the same dep's as firefox
[17:41] <deuryte> xcell, 64bit aint out yet!!
[17:41] <elisiano> yeah but to integrate that a lttle better, copy the .desktop from firefox an adjust it with the right path and executable
[17:41] <Xcell> Yes it is.
[17:42] <deuryte> kde?? 64bit?? now??  today?? really??
[17:42] <sigma_> theres just one feature it doesn't have - the "ubuntu package search engine" does anyone know where i can download it?
[17:42] <Xcell> ya
[17:42] <deuryte> didnt u tell me last time it wasnt??
[17:42] <Xcell> I have resources.
[17:42] <Dr_willis> I did just google and find the flock theme for firefox
[17:43] <Xcell> Want me to burn?
[17:43] <deuryte> i'll ask radio. hell tell me. radioooooooooooo
[17:43] <EternalNyt>  ~X(
[17:43] <bazhang> deuryte: please stop
[17:43] <deuryte> yes, turn or burn
[17:44] <deuryte> burn it , ill be rite over
[17:44] <Xcell> bye..Cmon over...back door.
[17:44] <sigma_> o i thought u wouldn't be able to find just the theme
[17:44] <Dr_willis> sigma_,  google to the rescue. :) took me 20 sec.
[17:44] <Dr_willis> I couldent find it at the firefox theme site however.. their search engine.. seems broken
[17:45] <Dr_willis> now i got purtyier buttons.. wow. :)
[17:45] <sigma_> i thought it would be copyrighted
[17:45]  * Dr_willis wishes that some day firefox could change themes with OUT needing to be restarted.
[17:45] <Dr_willis> sigma_,  it may be. no idea.
[17:45] <EternalNyt> lol
[17:45] <Zabulus> perhaps someone could help me with problem, kubunty feisty, laser mouse stops working after a various amount of time.
[17:46] <sigma_> lol
[17:46] <nosrednaekim> Za
[17:46] <deuryte> bazhang>	deuryte: please stop... stop what???
[17:46] <elisiano> Zabulus: is it the same amount of time that u wait before u unplug it?
[17:46] <nosrednaekim> Zabulus: does unplugging it and plugging it back in help?
[17:46] <elisiano> :D
[17:46] <EternalNyt> so has anyone played with KDE
[17:47] <nosrednaekim> EternalNyt: of course..
[17:47] <[ifr0g]> EternalNyt, How do you do that ?
[17:47] <Zabulus> nosrednaekim: nope, unfortunately not
[17:47] <sigma_> EternalNyt: considering we all use it i think we have
[17:47] <sigma_> :)
[17:47] <bazhang> haha
[17:47] <Zabulus> nosrednaekim: which is a pain to find out, have to crawl behind my desk to do so
[17:48] <EternalNyt> How about KDE priority handler?
[17:48] <deuryte> bazhang>	please stop!!!
[17:48] <sigma_> so no one knows where i can download that search engine from?
[17:48] <Zabulus> dl a search engine???
[17:49] <sigma_> zabulus: ya the ubuntu package one for firefox
[17:49] <sam64> Zabulus: stupid question - is there a piece of hair on the eye? I had that happen once and it made the mouse act funky
[17:49] <Dr_willis> sigma_,  the firefox add on web site has a search feature, then i just used google.
[17:49] <Zabulus> sam64: nope, the mouse is working fine right now(win xp)
[17:50] <sigma_> Dr_willis: i went to the mozilla page, it didnt have it
[17:50] <ihadgentoo> i got banned from #ubuntu
[17:50] <Dr_willis> sigma_,  thats why i used google. :)
[17:50] <sigma_> Dr_willis: can u give me the link?
[17:50] <Xcell> momma just showed up.
[17:50] <bazhang> sigma_: you can also add a search for ubuntu packages and launchpad in firefox
[17:50] <sigma_> ihadgentoo: how did u manage that?
[17:51] <bazhang> spamming
[17:51]  * Dr_willis goes back to the default firefox theme.. it looks much nicer i think then the others.
[17:51] <Dr_willis> !find firefox
[17:51] <sigma_> bazhang: but where do i download them from?
[17:51] <ubotu> Found: firefox-themes-ubuntu, mozilla-firefox-locale-af, mozilla-firefox-locale-ar, mozilla-firefox-locale-be, mozilla-firefox-locale-bg-bg (and 71 others)
[17:51] <Dr_willis> theres a firefox plugin package i thought..
[17:51] <Dr_willis> under the  addons menu item/tab theres a link also
[17:51] <bazhang> sigma_: you running firefox now? then click addons, and then choose get extensions
[17:52] <bazhang> sigma_: oopsie--from the repos--
[17:52] <sigma_> bazhang: but how would i make it work with flock?
[17:53] <tarin> ok i found a net card
[17:53] <bazhang> firefox-launchpad-plugin sigma
[17:53] <sam64> well Im gonna go unleash my artistic fury on the Christmas tree
[17:53] <zibrah3ed> #flock my be able to help you
[17:53] <sam64> later peeps
[17:53] <nosrednaekim> tarin: yay!
[17:53] <tarin> w00t
[17:53] <Dr_willis> ive found that with most of the firefox-spinoffs like flock/songbird/miro (i think miro) you can just download whatever theme/extensions ya like and load them
[17:53]  * nosrednaekim hopes it not a broadcom
[17:53] <tarin> lol
[17:53] <bazhang> yes!
[17:53] <bazhang> haha
[17:53] <tarin> no intel
[17:53] <Dr_willis> I had to tweak Songbird a bit.
[17:54] <bazhang> intel =for sure
[17:54] <tarin> i hope
 just by typing and talking on topic or off topic :S
[17:54] <Zabulus> did gutsy fix any problems with recognizing usb mice?
[17:54] <tarin> glad i had an old server layin around
[17:55] <crimsun> Zabulus: depends on the ID of the usb mice.
[17:55] <tarin> i use a wireless and have no prob
[17:55] <bazhang> Zabulus: which mouse?
[17:55] <zibrah3ed> sigma_: sorry wrong server: from website f you want instant communication join us on our IRC server irc.flock.com in the #flock and #flock-dev channels.
[17:55] <Zabulus> microsoft laser mouse 6000 v. 1.0
[17:55] <tarin> micro innovations
[17:56] <bazhang> logitech wireless here Zabulus
[17:56] <tarin> i hate forced hard drive checks
[17:57] <bazhang> Is ms good about providing linux drivers?
[17:57]  * Dr_willis stares at bazhang  blankly.
[17:57] <Zabulus> lol
[17:57] <bazhang> just a joke
[17:58] <[ifr0g]> !reppu
[17:58] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about reppu - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[17:58] <Zabulus> to make things worse, im new to linux, and i cant really explore and get more into linux because the mouse just stops working, making everything an annoying task
[17:59] <tarin> internet is working
[17:59] <nosrednaekim> Zabulus: yeah.... thats odd,
[17:59] <tarin> !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[17:59] <nosrednaekim> tarin: yay!!!
[18:00] <Dr_willis> tarin,  no its not.. we cant see you.
[18:00] <Dr_willis> :)
[18:00] <stevie2k> hi @all
[18:00] <nosrednaekim> Zabulus: I have never heard of that problem.
[18:00] <EternalNyt> http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php/KDE+Priority+handler?content=66266
[18:00] <EternalNyt> has anybody got this to install
[18:00] <Zabulus> not many people have unfortunately
[18:01] <bazhang> Zabulus: just checking the forums--this particular mouse has had issues as far back as Dapper
[18:01] <Zabulus> so ive noticed...=P
[18:01] <deuryte> xcell
[18:01] <sourcemaker> what's the last kernel version availble for kubuntu?
[18:01] <Zabulus> i upgrade, and each time i hope its fixed to no avail
[18:02] <Taryn> hello?
[18:02] <Taryn> hahaha yay it worked
[18:02] <Taryn> go intel
[18:02] <tarin> there hows that
[18:02] <marilena> ciao
[18:02] <sigma_> never fear i sorted it out guys, extracted the search engine from the firefox deb
[18:02] <sigma_> its just two silly files, and they are tiny
[18:03] <bazhang> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=540689 zabulus two people got it to work
[18:03] <Taryn> i feel so much better
[18:03] <Taryn> now i can get all the info off my windows boot and live in kubuntu
[18:04] <bazhang> great news Taryn
[18:04] <Taryn> no kidding
[18:04] <Taryn> how much of an issue is samba tho
[18:04] <Zabulus> hmm, unfortunately it doesnt seem like either had a similar problem to mind
[18:04] <Zabulus> mine*
[18:05] <elisiano> not that much
[18:05] <elisiano> bye guys
[18:05] <Taryn> i have a home network and want to be sure i will be able to continue using it
[18:05] <sigma_> depends what you want to do with samba, it see's windows pc's perfectly but if u want a windows pc to see it thats a mission
[18:05] <elisiano> taryn: are you in truoble accessing a samba share or using samba as server?
[18:06] <Taryn> not doing either yet
[18:06] <elisiano> as a client  i suggest you smb4k
[18:06] <Taryn> but when i move to full kubuntu i will need to install it
[18:07] <elisiano> it's very handy
[18:07] <elisiano> now I'm late
[18:07] <elisiano> bye
[18:07] <Taryn> thanks man
[18:08] <Zabulus> ok, ill take a poll, who here thinks going to gutsy will fix the problem with my mouse?
[18:08] <Taryn> ok here is one
[18:08] <LotharTBL> anyone running mythtv as a backend/frontend on kubuntu? Hints, tips pitfalls?
[18:08] <Taryn> can i install anyting to see the data on my ntfs hdd
[18:08] <LotharTBL> you need to mount it to see it
[18:08] <Xcell> Deu.
[18:08] <Taryn> i need to xfer my 3 gigs of music over
[18:09] <Taryn> how do i mount it
[18:09] <nicandro> hi, in order to connect to the web through a Nokia6630 via USB, which application should I use?
[18:09] <LotharTBL> ok.. you have an NTFS hd in a ubuntu machine?
[18:09] <Taryn> yeah i dual boot between xp and kubuntu
[18:10] <bazhang> LotharTBL: all available in kubuntu packages.ubuntu.com has them for gutsy
[18:10] <LotharTBL> hmm ok in a terminal do a fdisk -l and see if you can see the partition first and find out what /dev it is
[18:11] <LotharTBL> bazhang I have decided to go with 6.06 LTS for the backend. Undecided as to frint end
[18:11] <LotharTBL> front*
[18:11] <bazhang> LotharTBL: you can search that site for it not sure as I am on gutsy :}
[18:12] <sigma_> nicandro: use kppp
[18:12] <nicandro> sigma_: ok, but which modem device should i select ?
[18:12] <Taryn> LotharTBL: what is that option?
[18:12] <LotharTBL> I think mine is daper I went with LTS as its supported until 2011 and the others are only supported until 2009
[18:13] <Jimnastics> I'm using ip route to add & delete a default gateway route every 5 seconds, I've been testing it pinging a node and there is always a 2 second delay to actually delete a route after ip route del was exectured, anybody knowing why this is happening and if there is a way to immediately delete a route from the routing table?
[18:13] <LotharTBL> The "l" option will list all partitions fdisk can find
[18:13] <Taryn> didnt list anytihng
[18:13] <Zabulus> ok, how hard is it to upgrade from feisty to gutsy without using the mouse?
[18:14] <sigma_> nicandro: can't tell u now as im running it currently, sorry
[18:14] <bazhang> Zabulus: could you borrow a mouse for the duration of the upgrade?
[18:14] <LotharTBL> not sure if you can do an apt-get upgrade or not. I think that only works within a version
[18:14] <sigma_> nicandro: wat are the options?
[18:14] <Jimnastics> ?
[18:14] <Zabulus> well, i moved and lost my spares
[18:15] <LotharTBL> only a walmart away! **knocks on next door** excuse me, could I borrow a mouse?
[18:15] <Taryn> LotharTBL: didnt list any partitions just brought me to a >
[18:15] <Zabulus> lol, walmart maybe, next door...dont know them that well
[18:16] <LotharTBL> are you currently in a linux session?
[18:16] <Xcell> 50%
[18:16] <Zabulus> nope
[18:16] <Zabulus> xp
[18:16] <Jimnastics> I'm using ip route to add & delete a default gateway route every 5 seconds, I've been testing it pinging a node and there is always a 2 second delay to actually delete a route after ip route del was exectured, anybody knowing why this is happening and if there is a way to immediately delete a route from the routing table?
[18:17] <LotharTBL> Zabulus, how better to get to know them than to borrow a mouse. You can scare them too. be all sweaty and look wild eyed and tell them your upgrading your ubuntu linux distro.
[18:17] <Taryn> LotharTBL: hahahhaa
[18:17] <Zabulus> 10 to 1 says they would call the cops
[18:17] <LotharTBL> Taryn are you in a linux session?
[18:17] <Taryn> LotharTBL: yes
[18:17] <LotharTBL> ok when you open a terminal window you get an a>?
[18:18] <Taryn> LotharTBL: sorry thought you were talking to some one else
[18:18] <Taryn> no if i open the term i get the normal prompt
[18:18] <Taryn> but i id do the fdisk -| i get >
[18:18] <LotharTBL> ok do a whoami are you root?
[18:18] <jeroenvrp> I installed KDE4 RC1 (3.96), but the "about KDE" dialogs show Beta4! Is this normal?
[18:18] <Taryn> no i am tim
[18:18] <Taryn> but i use sudo
[18:18] <LotharTBL> Ah ok its a lower case L
[18:18] <Taryn> lol
[18:19] <LotharTBL> fdisk -l
[18:19] <Taryn> goes to another reg prompt
[18:19] <Taryn> doesnt show any info
[18:19] <deuryte> lets celebrate CHRIST-MASS for what it really is............Luke 2:7:
[18:19] <deuryte> And she brought forth her firstborn son, and wrapped him in swaddling clothes, and laid him in a manger; because there was no room for them in the inn.
[18:19] <LotharTBL> try sudo fdisk -l
[18:19] <deuryte> Luke 2:12:And this shall be a sign unto you; Ye shall find the babe wrapped in swaddling clothes, lying in a manger.Luke 2:16:
[18:19] <deuryte> And they came with haste, and found Mary, and Joseph, and the babe lying in a manger.
[18:19] <deuryte> opps
[18:19] <deuryte> oop's
[18:20] <deuryte> wrong room
[18:20] <Taryn> its actually another hard drive totally
[18:20] <Taryn> that i have windows on
[18:20] <LotharTBL> I would say so. I was waiting for the little babe to start blessing ubuntu distros
[18:20] <deuryte> he's not a babe any more.......
[18:20] <Taryn> nothing wrong with that is there
[18:20] <Taryn> lol
[18:21] <LotharTBL> shouldn't matter. fdisk -l will show all partitions no matter what hard drive that it can physicaly see (on the same machine)
[18:21] <Taryn> ok then it doesnt see it
[18:21] <LotharTBL> it isn't seeing anything?
[18:21] <Taryn> nope just skips to another prompt
[18:22] <Taryn> oops thats better
[18:22] <Taryn> forgtot to sudo
[18:22] <LotharTBL> ah ok working now?
[18:23] <Taryn> yeah shows /dev/sda1 as my ntfs
[18:25] <Taryn> a little off topic anyone know of any good repos i can add to adept
[18:25] <bazhang> medibuntu.org's Taryn
[18:25] <Taryn> cool thanks
[18:26] <Taryn> ohbtw what is the point of the jde wallet
[18:26] <bazhang> kdewallet?
[18:26] <bazhang> to store passwords
[18:28] <LotharTBL> ok so now we need to mount /dev/sda1
[18:28] <LotharTBL> I need to look it up but you can also do a man mount and find the parameters
[18:31] <RichardBH> hi - can anyone help with getting the cool 3d cube stuff on kubuntu gutsy?
[18:31] <LotharTBL> mount /dev/sda1 -t ntfs /mnt   give that a try with sudo
[18:31] <bazhang> !compiz | RichardBH
[18:31] <ubotu> RichardBH: Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[18:32] <sourcemaker> kernel update to 2.6.23 possible?
[18:32] <RichardBH> thanks bazhang
[18:32] <LotharTBL> Taryn is that working
[18:33] <bazhang> RichardBH: no worries :}
[18:33] <Taryn> it just skipped to another prompt
[18:33] <sourcemaker> there is a new scheduler in kernel 2.6.23... for better performance on desktop applications... how can i upgrade?
[18:33] <Taryn> should it give me some type of confimation
[18:33] <LotharTBL> do a df and see if you see it
[18:34] <LotharTBL> the command is   df should show all mounted file systems
[18:34] <Taryn> yup shows as the last one
[18:34] <LotharTBL> ok then you can cd to it cd /mnt and you there
[18:35] <Taryn> awesome
[18:35] <Taryn> can i pull files from it?
[18:35] <LotharTBL> or from the desktop go to filesystem and it will be under /mnt
[18:35] <Taryn> i need to move 6gb of mp3s
[18:35] <LotharTBL> I imagine you can. It will depend on what they rights are to the /mnt directory
[18:36] <LotharTBL> go to the directory you want to pull from and do an ls -l and see who owns them
[18:37] <Xcell> 80%
[18:37] <LotharTBL> my lucky day, I got to answer a question. Life she is good!
[18:39] <Eicca> how can I open a .tar.bz2 file? what do I need to get ark extract it?
[18:40] <LotharTBL> ok guru's what does CPU frequency scaling not supported mean? Anyone, anyone buler?
[18:40] <nosrednaekim> LotharTBL: means your CPU doesn't support it... or HAL doesn't think it supports it.
[18:40] <nosrednaekim> LotharTBL: what  processor do you have?
[18:40] <LotharTBL> quad Xenons
[18:41] <LotharTBL> I got the box for a song. Old Prolient server. Makes noise like a truck, but its pretty snappy
[18:42] <Taryn> haha we run proliants at work
[18:42] <Taryn> doxen of them
[18:42] <nosrednaekim> LotharTBL: hrm...
[18:42] <LotharTBL> I got 2 from a buf for $200.00
[18:42] <Taryn> what generation is it
[18:42] <dreamcoder> hi can someone help me to install grpahics card drivers in kubunu pls
[18:42] <LotharTBL> bud*
[18:43] <nosrednaekim> !nvidia | dreamcoder
[18:43] <ubotu> dreamcoder: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[18:44] <dreamcoder> thank you
[18:44] <dreamcoder> :)
[18:44] <Taryn> lothar: are they G4s or G5s?
[18:45] <LotharTBL> DL5800 4x Xenon700s 1 gig of ram
[18:45] <Taryn> nice
[18:45] <Taryn> they are kinda noisy but they run great
[18:46] <LotharTBL> Its a pretty smokin machine has the standard raid card and an aftermarket one.
[18:46] <LotharTBL> I am so underutalizing it, it was a cheap machine for my mythTV backend.
[18:46] <LotharTBL> and yes its noisy as hell!
[18:50] <Dragnslcr> Has anyone else run into a problem with the PCM channel in KMix being set to 0% at seemingly random times?
[18:51] <LotharTBL> my next magical trick will be to build a storage server. http://www.freenas.org/
[18:51] <Dresken> Is there a way to limit download speed on another computer on my network?
[18:52] <egon> Oh MEIN GOTT! das ist ja mal echt geil. kde 4 ist jetzt im vergleich zur rc 1 um 1000000x schneller geworden :/ ich bin begeistert!
[18:52] <jpatrick> !de | egon
[18:52] <ubotu> egon: Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[18:52] <egon> wahhh
[18:52] <egon> sorry wrong chat :/
[18:56] <LotharTBL> nosrednaekim is it a CPU issue? or a Hal issue? http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/47424/
[18:57] <Taryn> how do i get amarock to show lyrics?
[18:57] <nosrednaekim> LotharTBL: having no experience with intels..
[18:57] <nosrednaekim> oh.. p3?
[18:57] <nosrednaekim> don't think they have Frequency scaling.
[18:58] <LotharTBL> unfortunately, but hey they were cheap! lol
[18:58] <LotharTBL> ok thanks for the info
[18:58] <nado> did anybody of you run gta san andreas with wine? for me it's not working
[18:59] <nosrednaekim> 4x700mhz? thats probably pretty fast!
[18:59] <Eicca> sanokaa hyviä linux pelejä
[18:59] <Eicca> sry friend said that..
[18:59] <LotharTBL> I haven't seen anything bog it down yet. the raid is pretty snappy too
[18:59] <nosrednaekim> Taryn: go to the context side-bar
[19:00] <LotharTBL> the test will be when its recording 4 video channels and playing back 2 or 3. Should be interesting to say the least
[19:03] <nosrednaekim> Lothar_Away: recording isn't hard.
[19:03] <Xcell> Deu: done.
[19:03] <nosrednaekim> but playing back? needs some heavy graphics.
[19:03] <nosrednaekim> unless its just the server
[19:04] <nosrednaekim> in which case the disc is the bottleneck
[19:12] <deuryte> still there xcell
[19:15] <RichardBH> random question - is there any way to change the logon screen resolution? ive changed the desktop down to 1024x768, but i think the logon screen is still higher
[19:17] <mike__> anyone know how to get Openoffice 2.3.233 for gutsy?
[19:18] <Blu3> is konqueror tied to the network manager somehow?  i've often noticed that when i disable networking via the NM and use kppp to connect w/ my cellular data card that konqueror can no longer reach web pages.  It immediately stops with an error that it can't connect to the remote host.  I do not have any iptables rules
[19:18] <antiNeo> RichardBH: edit your /etc/X11/xorg.conf file (but make a backup first!) and go down to the place where it lists screen resolutions. just delete the ones you don't want
[19:18] <NickPresta> mike__, OOo 2.3.0 is in the repos. Do you _need_ 2.3.233?
[19:19] <mike__> NickPresta, yes, I need the new "presenter" screen
[19:20] <RichardBH> antiNeo cheers
[19:20] <antiNeo> RichardBH: np
[19:21] <NickPresta> mike__, http://download.openoffice.org/2.3.1/index.html?focus=download The deb link there has 2.3.1 (apparently the latest stable version)
[19:21] <ChristianB> Hi folks
[19:21] <NickPresta> mike__, they also have debs of 2.3.1rc1 here: http://download.openoffice.org/680/index.html?intcmp=1235
[19:21] <NickPresta> hi ChristianB
[19:22] <mike__> I'll look at that one, it may be the one I already have. I really need the presenter screen for a church presentation to get rid of MS once and for all.
[19:22] <RichardBH> antiNeo: sorry to bother you again, but i cant find a list of resolutions in that file
[19:23] <NickPresta> mike__, this might be of interest to you: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Presenter_Screen/Developer_Snapshot
[19:23] <ChristianB> I have a question regarding init scripts for (K)ubuntu
[19:23] <ChristianB> Is there a how to or best way to code init scripts?
[19:24] <mike__> that developer snapshot is what I need, I have it but cant get it installed?
[19:24] <mike__> there are no .deb's fro it..
[19:24] <NickPresta> mike__, you need to compile it from source, it seems. Do you know how to do that?
[19:24] <mike__> I have geard that compiling oo from source is a pretty big project..
[19:25] <ninjagambit> well nick im well rested up now
[19:25] <mike__> heard that is
[19:25] <ninjagambit> maby ill try to get flash on my firefox again today
[19:25] <NickPresta> ChristianB, I found the easiest way to create an init.d script was to open a (already written) script in /etc/init.d/ and adapt it to my needs.
[19:25] <ninjagambit> lol
[19:26] <ninjagambit> thanks for all the help the other night
[19:26] <NickPresta> mike__, it may be a big task.  I don't know personally but if that is the only way to get it, what are you going to do? :)
[19:27] <mike__> yea, guess so... :(
[19:27] <ChristianB> I've already tried that, using a script I found on the web but it seems that it doesn't work
[19:28] <NickPresta> ChristianB, have you done a `update-rc.d SCRIPT defaults` in a terminal?
[19:28] <mike__> seems like there would be somebody in all of ubuntu land that has tried it!
[19:28] <gabbah> how can i run a program as root without having to type in the password for root? I need to run a program when my computer starts up as root
[19:28] <ChristianB> no
[19:29] <Blu3> ok, apparently it's a long standing bug with konqueror and network-manager.  regardless of any existing functioning network connections (i.e. ppp), if you set network-manager offline, konqueror can do other protocols, just not HTTP
[19:29] <NickPresta> ChristianB, check this out (it tells you what to do once you wrote the script): http://ubuntu.wordpress.com/2005/09/07/adding-a-startup-script-to-be-run-at-bootup/
[19:30] <ChristianB> I'll try this
[19:30] <NickPresta> gabbah, I suppose you could place the script in /root/.kde/Autostart (create Autostart if it doesn't exist).
[19:31] <NickPresta> mike__, you could use checkinstall to generate a deb package for "easy" installation. type: "/msg ubotu checkinstall" in this channel for more information
[19:31] <Cannoli> can someone point me in the right direction for installing themes?
[19:32] <Dragnslcr> !themes
[19:32] <ubotu> Find your themes at: http://www.gnome-look.org - http://art.gnome.org - http://www.kde-look.org - http://kubuntu-art.org - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/58/ - http://www.guistyles.com - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/ - Also see !changethemes and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuEyeCandy
[19:32] <gabbah> NickPresta: yes i thought of that too. but how do i run it as root?
[19:33] <mike__> thanks will give it a look
[19:33] <NickPresta> gabbah, everything in the .kde/Autostart folder is run when you login to your KDE sesssion. I would assume that this would run the script when root logs into a KDE session. It's worth a try, I suppose
[19:33] <Cannoli> domo arigatio Dragnslcr
[19:33] <RichardBH> !compiz
[19:33] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[19:33] <Zabulus> ok, how can i get to the option to upgrade to gutsy gibbon in adept using just the keyboard?
[19:34] <ChristianB> NickPresta: How can I test if it works without having to restart my machine?
[19:35] <gabbah> NickPresta: ok thanks
[19:35] <NickPresta> Zabulus, try: kdesu "adept_manager --version-upgrade". Quotes are important
[19:36] <NickPresta> ChristianB, you could try doing: sudo /etc/init.d/SCRIPT start|stop|restart and see if it's working. As for checking if it runs at boot up, you have to boot up :)
[19:37] <Zabulus> well, that command brought up adept, but didnt initalize the version upgrade
[19:38] <NickPresta> Zabulus, you should see a Version Upgrade buttont to click on, no?
[19:38] <HowDoYouLove> i just installed fresh kubuntu. I dont think i entered a timezone during setup. Now i cant change my timezone via system tray clock, or through control panel.. any help?
[19:39] <Zabulus> yes i do, i cant click on it, my mouse keeps freezing up, i was hoping gutsy would have a fix for that...
[19:39] <gabbah> what the differance between synaptic and adept package managers??
[19:40] <Eicca> tell me some good multiplayer games for kubuntu (multiplayer playable with one pc)
[19:40] <emilsedgh> gabbah: thats for gnome/gtk+, adept is for qt/kde, the ui and code are differrent
[19:40] <emilsedgh> Eicca: Frozen-Bubble, Netpanzer
[19:40] <t3ch13> I've installed the Nvidia graphics driver and did the glxgears to make sure that it works now what do I need for Compiz-Fusion?
[19:41] <emilsedgh> HowDoYouLove: did you try to go to administration mode?
[19:41] <HowDoYouLove> yes
[19:41] <HowDoYouLove> cant change anything
[19:41] <Zabulus> ok, can anyone tell me how to initalize the upgrade to gutsy without using the mouse, or perhaps a fix to stop my mouse from freezing up
[19:42] <NickPresta> Zabulus, what do you mean by "freezing up"? It doesn't move at all? Only sometimes?
[19:42] <emilsedgh> HowDoYouLove: when you click on go to administrator mode button, you should enter password and then you will be able to change things
[19:42] <HowDoYouLove> SHOULD be able to yes
[19:42] <HowDoYouLove> can not though
[19:42] <Zabulus> i boot up, the mouse works for a little bit, then it stops moving
[19:42] <ninjagambit> anyone here have amd64 and flash working
[19:42] <emilsedgh> nikkiana: i dunno about flash but im sure gnash works
[19:43] <HowDoYouLove> omg it just worked
[19:43] <HowDoYouLove> wasnt working before i swear
[19:43] <jembouge> I got the same problem as HowDoYouLove
[19:43] <HowDoYouLove> glad i tired again
[19:43] <NickPresta> Zabulus, is it possible to boot up, run that from the terminal and click on Version Upgrade before it stops working?
[19:43] <HowDoYouLove> ty
[19:44] <Zabulus> hard to say, its so random with its timing
[19:44] <sparr_> the kde panel cpu monitor is showing 100% IOWait time on my CPU.  how can i figure out whats causing that?
[19:44] <ChristianB> NickPresta: It seems the script itself is broken
[19:44] <NickPresta> ChristianB, pastebin the script. !pastebin
[19:44] <emilsedgh> HowDoYouLove: you dont need to swear man!
[19:44] <Zabulus> ive booted up and had it freeze before it showed the desktop, and ive booted up and it worked fine for half an hour then froze
[19:44] <emilsedgh> !repeat NickPresta
[19:44] <ChristianB> !pastebin
[19:44] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[19:44] <sparr> the kde panel cpu monitor is showing 100% IOWait time on my CPU.  how can i figure out whats causing that?
[19:44] <Zabulus> ive rebooted 4 times and havent been able to click that button
[19:45] <emilsedgh> NickPresta: thats possible, try to replace all 'feisty' with 'gutsy' in you /etc/apt/sources.list
[19:45] <NickPresta> emilsedgh, I think you mean to be talking to someone else :)
[19:45] <emilsedgh> sparr: try the command 'top' in konsole or ksysguard
[19:46] <sparr> emilsedgh: and sort by what?
[19:46] <ChristianB> !pastebin http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/47430/
[19:46] <emilsedgh> NickPresta: you wanted to upgrade to hutsy without mouse, right?
[19:47] <T_I_M> !pastebin
[19:47] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[19:47] <emilsedgh> sparr: top already sorts by cpu usage, i think
[19:48] <NickPresta> emilsedgh, no, Zabulus wants to reboot without a mouse
[19:48] <NickPresta> emilsedgh, sorry, upgrade without a mouse
[19:48] <sparr> emilsedgh: was a defunct mplayer process, using 0% cpu.  thanks though
[19:49] <RogueJediX> Is there any particular procedure for setting up a joystick on a COM port?
[19:49] <emilsedgh> so sorry NickPresta
[19:50] <walter> hi everybody!
[19:50] <gabbah> hiii dr Niiick!
[19:50] <T_I_M> zabulus: can you get to konsole witout a mouse?
[19:50] <walter> I have 2 question for you...
[19:51] <Zabulus> yep
[19:51] <leszek> hi
[19:51] <NickPresta> ChristianB, this "boinc" client doesn't have a wait to stop the service without doing a "killall"?
[19:51] <walter> does nokia 5610 work on kubuntu gutsy?
[19:51] <T_I_M> if you go to /etc/apt/sources.list do you have anyting in there with feisty listed?
[19:52] <walter> i should use it as UMTS or GPRS modem...
[19:52] <josei> hoal hola
[19:52] <josei> [19:52] <josei> ???
[19:52] <ChristianB> NickPresta: A normal kill would do the same result
[19:52] <walter> does anybody know?
[19:53] <josei> necesito una pequeña ayudita
[19:53] <walter> ok
[19:53] <T_I_M> walter: sorry no idea on thst one
[19:54] <walter> thanks for your answer...:D
[19:54] <ChristianB> NickPresta: but stopping is not the problem, I want it to start first :)
[19:54] <walter> and about iPod classic 80 gb?
[19:55] <walter> It could work?
[19:55] <JohnFlux> !joystick
[19:55] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about joystick - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[19:55] <JohnFlux> !joysticks
[19:55] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about joysticks - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[19:55] <ardchoille> !es | josei
[19:55] <ubotu> josei: Si busca ayuda en español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, allí obtendrá más ayuda.
[19:55] <Zabulus> how can i get to that file to check
[19:55] <Zabulus> ?
[19:55] <josei> gracias
[19:55] <walter> sorry: could ipod classic work on kubuntu?
[19:56] <T_I_M> sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[19:56] <NickPresta> ChristianB, try this: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/47434/
[19:56] <ChristianB> It seems the line "if [ -x /opt/BOINC/run_client ]; then" is the problem
[19:56] <NickPresta> ChristianB, remove the sudo from line 14 as well. I missed that
[19:56] <T_I_M> !ipod
[19:56] <ubotu> For information on how to sync and add tracks to your iPod, see the guide at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IPodHowto See !rockbox for information on liberating your iPod
[19:57] <walter> thanks ubotu
[19:57] <Zabulus> four uncommented lines, all four say fiesty in some part of them
[19:57] <ardchoille> !bot
[19:57] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[19:57] <T_I_M> walter: ubotu is a bot
[19:57] <walter> ahahahaha!
[19:57] <T_I_M> play on words for ubuntu
[19:58] <walter> ok ok
[19:58] <walter> :D
[19:58] <T_I_M> most times if you need info on a one word subject type ! then the word
[19:58] <T_I_M> like this !ipod
[19:58] <T_I_M> !ipod
[19:58] <ubotu> For information on how to sync and add tracks to your iPod, see the guide at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IPodHowto See !rockbox for information on liberating your iPod
[19:58] <T_I_M> see
[19:58] <T_I_M> very handy
[19:59] <Zabulus> well, i have to go, i guess ill deal more with this crud later...
[19:59] <walter> ok
[20:00] <Zabulus> and probably will after i upgrade too -_-
[20:00] <andreas_> how do i dual-screen?
[20:00] <T_I_M> cya zabulus
[20:00] <NickPresta> andreas_, which graphics card do you have?
[20:00] <andreas_> some standard intel thing
[20:01] <gabbah> anyone using netbeans 6 and knows how to install it?
[20:01] <NickPresta> !xinerama > andreas_
[20:01] <T_I_M> should be able to set it up in system settings monitor and display
[20:01] <T_I_M> gabbah:sorry not me
[20:02] <RogueJediX> I don't suppose anyone here has a working gameport joystick
[20:02] <T_I_M> no never considered putting mine on
[20:03] <JohnFlux> RogueJediX: have you googled?
[20:03] <RogueJediX> JohnFlux: I have. Found some tutorials that don't work for some reason
[20:03] <MetaMorfoziS> how can i disable the cache for maass storage devices
[20:03] <JohnFlux> RogueJediX: buy a usb joystick :-D
[20:03] <MetaMorfoziS> ?
[20:04] <dsa> when you untar something
[20:04] <JohnFlux> MetaMorfoziS: why?
[20:04] <dsa> is that the same as unzipping?
[20:04] <JohnFlux> dsa: well technically tar is just to put multiple files into one
[20:04] <JohnFlux> dsa: the compression part is gzip
[20:04] <RogueJediX> JohnFlux: Why? This one works fine on other systems
[20:04] <dsa> ok so when it says untar the folder, does that mean extract it to my desktop or seomthing?
[20:04] <andreas_> how do i make my hd_sound_card work?
[20:05] <ChristianB> NickPresta: thx for your help, I found the bug. the scriptname was run_client.sh and not run_client
[20:05] <JohnFlux> dsa: yeah
[20:05] <NickPresta> ChristianB, heh, okay :)
[20:05] <JohnFlux> dsa:   tar -zxvf  file.tgz
[20:05] <RichardBH> does anyone know how to decrease the resolution of the logon screen?
[20:05] <ChristianB> Now it's working but I have to figure out how to redirect to the correct log files
[20:05] <MetaMorfoziS> JohnFlux > because thats sux...
[20:05] <JohnFlux> MetaMorfoziS: why?
[20:06] <MetaMorfoziS> JohnFlux > not why, how.
[20:06] <JohnFlux> MetaMorfoziS: what makes you think it's a problem?
[20:06] <dsa> alright ty
[20:06] <MetaMorfoziS> Because it's illogic, and it's often works wrong.
[20:06] <sub[t]rnl> RichardBH: remove any unwanted resolutions from your /etc/X11/xorg.conf.  The login uses the first resolution available
[20:06] <MetaMorfoziS> If i copy something, then i WANT COPY THAT
[20:07] <MetaMorfoziS> and i didn't want to get errors when i try to safely remove
[20:07] <MetaMorfoziS> and i didin't want 0 byte files on my device
[20:07] <JohnFlux> MetaMorfoziS: aaah, you want copies to be synchronous
[20:07] <MetaMorfoziS> i just want COPY the files. nothing else
[20:07] <MetaMorfoziS> yes
[20:08] <JohnFlux> MetaMorfoziS: i ask these questions because I want to know what you actually want, not what you think you want :-D
[20:08] <MetaMorfoziS> :))
[20:09] <JohnFlux> MetaMorfoziS: edit /etc/fstab  and add the option sync  to the device
[20:09] <MetaMorfoziS> sry, so i want get that sync
[20:09] <JohnFlux> MetaMorfoziS: like, this is what my floppy drive has:  /dev/fd0  /media/floppy  auto  rw,noauto,user,sync  0 0
[20:10] <JohnFlux> MetaMorfoziS: the 'sync'  part means it will always make sure the files are copied fully etc
[20:10] <JohnFlux> MetaMorfoziS: hmm, although your usb devices won't be listed in /etc/fstab
[20:10] <MetaMorfoziS> JohnFlux > it's auto mounted
[20:11] <MetaMorfoziS> so i think that isn't in fstab...
[20:11] <JohnFlux> MetaMorfoziS: pmount has a --sync   command, but i wonder how to get hal to use that
[20:12] <RichardBH> sub[t]rnl - i dont suppose you know how to do it if there are no resolutions listed?
[20:12] <sub[t]rnl> pastbin your xorg.conf
[20:13] <andreas_> in rc.local, where sould i paste, befor or after the "exit 0"?
[20:13] <JohnFlux> MetaMorfoziS: /etc/hal/fdi/policy/preferences.fdi
[20:13] <JohnFlux> MetaMorfoziS: if you edit that file and uncomment the commented out section
[20:14] <JohnFlux> MetaMorfoziS: that will set sync for devices less than 16GB
[20:14] <andreas_> in rc.local, where sould i paste, befor or after the "exit 0"?
[20:14] <JohnFlux> andreas_: before
[20:14] <JohnFlux> andreas_: exit 0  is the last thing that it will do - that makes it exit
[20:15] <Eicca> I muted sounds from the taskbar and put the volume to 0% but why do I still hear sounds when I play?
[20:15] <MetaMorfoziS> thanks
[20:15] <andreas_> Thx JohnFlux:D
[20:15] <ChristianB> NickPresta: many thx to you again, I've fixed the logfile redirection and it works like a charm, now I have to test if it's working at boot time
[20:16] <ChristianB> btw: What's the best/prefered way to kill an application?
[20:16] <RichardBH> http://pastebin.com/m17f2210a
[20:16] <RichardBH> sub[t]rnl ^
[20:17] <sub[t]rnl> set resolutions with sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[20:18] <andreas_> !intelhdaudio
[20:18] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about intelhdaudio - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[20:19] <andreas_> !audio
[20:19] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[20:19] <Eicca> tän päivän pelit ei kuitenkaa vaadi ddr3sia yms
[20:19] <Eicca> I muted sounds from the taskbar and put the volume to 0% but why do I still hear sounds when I play?
[20:20] <RichardBH> sub[t]rnl thanks
[20:20] <MetaMorfoziS> !hal
[20:20] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about hal - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[20:20] <MetaMorfoziS> JohnFlux > it looks isn't working...
[20:21] <MetaMorfoziS> i have /etc/init.d/hal restart-ed, and i uncommented the first section that enables the sync and noatime (and owerwrited 1gb with 9)
[20:21] <dsa> !kth
[20:21] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kth - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[20:22] <MetaMorfoziS> And when i started to copy a 100mb sized file, then it copied ~ 10mb/sec , but when it reached 48% it stalled..
[20:22] <T_I_M> what does KDEinit could not luanch kdesu mean?
[20:23] <T_I_M> !kdesu
[20:23] <ubotu> In KDE, use « kdesudo <program> » (Gutsy) or « kdesu <program> » (Feisty and earlier) to run graphical applications with root privileges when you have to. Never just use "sudo"! (See http://psychocats.net/ubuntu/graphicalsudo to know why)
[20:25] <JohnFlux> MetaMorfoziS: is it still stalled?
[20:25] <JohnFlux> MetaMorfoziS: that's not good :-D
[20:26] <JohnFlux> MetaMorfoziS: check /var/log/messages
[20:28] <kiiz> hii
[20:28] <raph> hi, I can access my vista ntfs partition (read/write), but if I plug in my external hd and want to access its ntfs fs, I get the error msg "hal-storage-removable-mount-all-options refused uid 1000". I formated it with ntfs last week (before I reformated it, I could access it without problems and it was ntfs back then, too!!)
[20:29] <dsa> how do i send konversation to tray?
[20:30] <JohnFlux> dsa: just click the close button
[20:31] <kiiz> i cant play dvd with kubuntu.what lib do i need to make this possible
[20:31] <JohnFlux> !dvd | kiiz
[20:31] <ubotu> kiiz: For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at !Medibuntu or (for Feisty and earlier) http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[20:31] <sub[t]rnl> raph: try ntfs-3g /dev/sdc1(or whatever) /mnt/wherever -o force
[20:31] <ardchoille> kiiz: You need the libdvdcss2 package from the medibuntu repo
[20:32] <fff> how do i send konversation to tray?
[20:33] <ardchoille> fff: JohnFlux already answered that
[20:33] <fff> sorry my internet gave out
[20:33] <fff> can you please repeat it
[20:33] <JohnFlux> fff: just press the close button
[20:33] <fff> it just asks if i want to quit
[20:34] <JohnFlux> fff: settings->behavior->general   enable systray
[20:34] <ardchoille> fff: Do you have the konv tray icon in the tray right now?
[20:34] <fff> nope
[20:34] <fff> got it now
[20:34] <fff> thanx alot
[20:38] <raph> sub[t]rnl: thats crazy, i can mount it manually using the shell
[20:39] <raph> sub[t]rnl: dolphin still gives me the error
[20:42] <raph> hm, if i want to unmount my vista-partition (which is mounted automatically), I get the error "device to unmount is not in /media/.hal-mtab so it is not mounted by HAL"
[20:44] <raph> seems like i've found the answer
[20:44] <raph> thanks
[20:45] <sigma_> does anyone know of any alternatives to winff? i am trying to encode video's for my smartphone - 176 x 220 resolution and 200 frames / second and mpeg file type
[20:45] <kain89> hi
[20:45] <NickPresta> sigma_, mencoder and/or ffmpeg can do it, I'm sure. Check out `man ffmpeg` and `man mencoder`
[20:46] <sigma_> nickpresta: i have both but looking for a gui. the command line is rather complex
[20:47] <sub[t]rnl> hrm
[20:47] <sub[t]rnl> i converted video's for ipod using those two apps
[20:47] <sub[t]rnl> sec, let me find the script
[20:47] <sparr> "Processing triggers for libc6 ..."  <--  what is this and why does it happen after almost any package installation these days?
[20:48] <sigma_> subtrnl: yup that would really help
[20:48] <sub[t]rnl> http://thomer.com/howtos/mp4ize
[20:48] <sub[t]rnl> need ruby
[20:48] <ardchoille> sparr: That's normal for updates. I'm guessing the package manager code has changed.
[20:48] <sigma_> im checking it out
[20:48] <sparr> ardchoille: it wasnt normal before, and its very spammy now
[20:49] <gabbah> don't phones only support 3gp and megp4 with mpeg4-acc sound codec?
[20:49] <sparr> gabbah: phones support whatever their software supports.  dont blame us if you bought a phone that won't run mplayer.
[20:49] <sigma_> gabbah: i have a windows smartphone:)
[20:49] <gabbah> alright. i converted using ffmpeg to my sonyericsson w810
[20:50] <sigma_> windows yes i know but i still use a open source video app which plays everything, win media player on it is hopeless
[20:50] <gabbah> had to use mp4 with aac codec
[20:51] <sigma_> sub[t]rnl: how do i run the file?
[20:51] <sub[t]rnl> ruby file
[20:51] <sub[t]rnl> or chmod +x it then ./file
[20:52] <bludve> hello, there is a spanish channel on this server?
[20:53] <sparr> i cant seem to get over 3 weeks uptime  :(
[20:53] <sigma_> sub[t]rnl: did that, nothing happens, and theres no error message
[20:54] <sub[t]rnl> need to supply a file to the script
[20:54] <sub[t]rnl> example ./mp4ize myphone.avi
[20:54] <sigma_> sub{t}ml where bout in it?
[20:54] <sigma_> oh i see
[20:55] <sigma_> sub{t}ml: got a error - Unknown codec 'xvid'
[20:56] <NickPresta> sigma_, mencoder tells me that mpeg doesn't support 200 FPS
[20:56] <sub[t]rnl> so install your codec
[20:56] <sub[t]rnl> :p
[20:56] <sigma_> which package do i need?
[20:56] <sigma_> nickpresta: what does it support?
[20:57] <NickPresta> sigma_, actually, let me try something. I think I got it
[20:57] <sub[t]rnl> !codec
[20:57] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[20:59] <jelousbuddy> has anyone ever shot infrared fire/energy from eyes? do you know if i do it or learned how to do it? are my eyes dangerous for glasses (ex windows)?
[20:59]  * sub[t]rnl facepalms
[20:59] <sub[t]rnl> he's back
[20:59]  * ardchoille drags out his ignore list
[21:00] <sub[t]rnl> lol
[21:00] <rrbiz> what's the console command to delete a whole dir ?
[21:00] <sub[t]rnl> rm -rf bye/
[21:00] <ardchoille> rrbiz: rm -r dirname
[21:00] <rrbiz> k thnx
[21:00] <ardchoille> rrbiz: Be very careful with that is using sudo
[21:00] <ardchoille> s/is/if/
[21:00] <rrbiz> hmm -r or -rf ?
[21:01] <sub[t]rnl> -r is better
[21:01] <ardchoille> rrbiz: I've never seen an instance where "-f" is needed
[21:01] <rrbiz> also does that dump it in the trashbin ?
[21:01] <sigma_> sub{t}ml: i installed libxvidcore4_1.1.2-0.1ubuntu2_i386.deb and its still says missing codec
[21:01] <ardchoille> rrbiz: No, that deletes it forever
[21:01] <rrbiz> ok cool
[21:01] <ardchoille> sigma_: What are you trying to do?
[21:02] <NickPresta> sigma_, I don't know about your FPS issue, but this: `mencoder -of mpeg -ovc lavc -lavcopts vcodec=mpeg1video -oac copy -vf scale=220:176 input.avi -o output.mpg` converts the video to MPG with the specified resolution
[21:02] <sub[t]rnl> sigma_: w32codecs
[21:03] <rrbiz> nice i was trying to delete the usbHD dir from kdesu konq but wasn't working, so rm -r did it quick
[21:04] <sub[t]rnl> sigma_: try nabbing the -dev package of libxvid
[21:04] <sub[t]rnl> libxvidcore4-dev
[21:05] <jelousbuddy> how do i install kde on ubuntu? please
[21:05] <sigma_> ok lemme try all that, il report back
[21:05] <CheGuevara> sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[21:05] <sigma_> ardchoille:  i am trying to encode video's for my smartphone - 176 x 220 resolution and 200 frames / second and mpeg file type
[21:05] <ardchoille> sigma_: Ah, ok. mencoder is awesome for that
[21:07] <sigma_> nickpresta: that didnt work 2well. its creating a file larger than the original, lol
[21:08] <ardchoille> jelousbuddy:
[21:08] <ardchoille> Oops, sorry about that jelousbuddy
[21:08] <sigma_> but it is going at 272fps which is close enough
 508 mb O.O
[21:09] <CheGuevara> sounds about right :P
[21:10] <ardchoille> jelousbuddy: kubuntu-desktop is an empty meta package. it serves only to pull in everything needed for the kubuntu desktop
[21:10] <CheGuevara> yeah u can try installing individual kde packages to make it smaller if u have time for that
[21:10] <RogueJediX> How does one reload modules in linux?
[21:10] <sigma_> sigma: ok well the file it outputted only played the audio properly, not the video - it freeze frames
[21:11] <sigma_> RogueJediX: what do u mean?
[21:11] <CheGuevara> rmmod <module name>
[21:11] <CheGuevara> modprobe <module name>
[21:11] <RogueJediX> sigma_: Like when I've finished editing the /etc/modules file
[21:12] <jelousbuddy> ardchoille> sp how much do i download? i one kde not kubuntu, can i still use gnome after installing kde? how do i switch between them? does it require restarting to switch? would i be able to use and access my old files from kde?
[21:13] <ardchoille> jelousbuddy: You can use both gnome and kde apps in gnome or kde, they work in either desktop. you can switch desktops from the login screen. No, you don't need to reboot. Your personal files should be just fine.
[21:14] <ardchoille> jelousbuddy: I would just stay in kde and run kde and gnome apps, works fine
[21:14] <sub[t]rnl> sigma_: apt-get install liblame-dev libxvidcore4-dev libx264-dev libfaac-dev libfaad2-dev
[21:15] <sub[t]rnl> and ffmpeg if you havn't already, then run that script.  It converts and keeps aspect ratio's, adding the black bars if needed, etc..
[21:15] <sigma_> ok let me try that, thanks
 what is better kde or gnome?
 what is better kde or gnome?
 ignore that
[21:16] <ardchoille> jelousbuddy: I like kde better
[21:16] <jelousbuddy> ardchoille> why because it looks like windows?
[21:16] <ardchoille> jelousbuddy: But, I feel you should try them both and then decide which works best for you
[21:17] <ardchoille> jelousbuddy: Windows? Is that thing still around ;)
[21:17] <virnik> hi there, i got problem upon kde start
[21:17] <virnik> konqueror keeps crashing
[21:18] <virnik> after KDE start, Konkueror crash event shows up
[21:18] <virnik> can somebody help?
[21:18] <jelousbuddy> ardchoille> why would one work better than other?
[21:18] <ardchoille> jelousbuddy: Personal preference
[21:19] <jelousbuddy> ardchoille> is there other way to install kubuntu desktop other than terminal?
[21:19] <ardchoille> jelousbuddy: You can use adept if you like.
[21:20] <jelousbuddy> ardchoille> what is adept ?
[21:20] <CubaCola> hi
[21:20] <CubaCola> i like to lunch a apps each x seconds ....
[21:20] <ardchoille> jelousbuddy: No offense, but why are you asking all these newbie questions if you're in some non-newbie channels on freenode?
[21:21] <hydrogen> err
[21:21] <CubaCola> or lunch it again when it closed ..
[21:21] <CubaCola> how can i do that ?
[21:21] <hydrogen> how are you going to install the kubuntu desktop from adept when adept is part of the kubuntu desktop?
[21:21] <ardchoille> CubaCola: Write a bash script?
[21:21] <virnik> can somebody help me out of this? after logon, my screen is filled with konqueror crash event
[21:21] <virnik> and keeps crashing
[21:21] <CubaCola> ardchoille> yes!
[21:21] <CubaCola> wich cmd ?
[21:21] <ardchoille> hydrogen: Good question
[21:22] <ardchoille> CubaCola: That wold be more than one command. Perhaps grab the pid of the app, throw it into a variable and use a for or while loop to do what you want.
[21:23] <jelousbuddy> what would happen if there is a hidden camera in my room or your room?
[21:23] <ardchoille> !ot | jelousbuddy
[21:23] <ubotu> jelousbuddy: #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[21:23] <CubaCola> ...
[21:24] <thetick> !language | CubaCola
[21:24] <ubotu> CubaCola: Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.
[21:24] <bioman> @CubaCola if a granularity of 1 miinute is acceptable, you may have a look at crontab
[21:24] <sigma_> il be back:)
[21:24] <jac0b> I am trying to get my sound to work
[21:25] <CubaCola> thetick>k thank you very much
[21:25] <CubaCola> thanks all
[21:25] <CubaCola> (:
[21:25] <jac0b> when I click the Test button it works but if I use amarok I get nothing
[21:26] <jac0b> Does anyone know how to correct this
[21:26] <jelousbuddy> are you stupid and is it cold and depressing outside?
[21:28] <bioman> @jac0b you may have to configure amarok, in order to set the correct sound engine
[21:28] <yurimxpxman> are there any free software pi calculators I could use to study the source code?
[21:29] <bioman> usually ALSA
[21:29] <jelousbuddy> is love depressing or how does it feel?
[21:29] <Lynoure> jelousbuddy: wrong channel?
[21:29] <Lynoure> jelousbuddy: I'll gladly give you my opinion on the topic on #kubuntu-offtopic :)
[21:31] <jac0b> bioman: that what I was thinking (ALSA) but nothing
[21:31] <jac0b> bioman: I just tried OSS and that worked thanks for the help
[21:31] <bioman> :)
[21:32] <jelousbuddy> any sexy girls/sexy women/sexy females here?
[21:32] <ardchoille> jelousbuddy: Please stop, you're being disruptive and disrespectful.
[21:33]  * hydrogen wonders why his .strigi is 20gigs
[21:34] <JohnFlux> hydrogen: haha
[21:34] <JohnFlux> hydrogen: welcome to strigi
[21:34] <ardchoille> hydrogen: lol
[21:34] <hydrogen> thats a quarter of my disk
[21:34] <JohnFlux> hydrogen: you were only going to waste the space
[21:34] <hydrogen> yes, but its *my* space to waste!
[21:34] <sub[t]rnl> lol
[21:34] <JohnFlux> hydrogen: how selfish
[21:34] <hydrogen> not strigi's
[21:35] <luquis> hola
[21:35] <hydrogen> I got it back though
[21:35] <hydrogen> don't you worry
[21:35] <Zabulus> ok, im back to try yet again, does anyone know of a fix to keep a usb mouse from freezing?
[21:35] <JohnFlux> be grateful for what strigi gave you :P
[21:35] <hydrogen> rm++
[21:35] <hydrogen> strigi needs to be taken out back and shot in the forehead
[21:35] <ardchoille> lol
[21:35] <hydrogen> that is all
[21:35] <JohnFlux> Zabulus: I have that - the mouse was broken
[21:35] <JohnFlux> Zabulus: I had to buy a new one
[21:35] <Zabulus> my mouse is fine
[21:35] <JohnFlux> of course the wife went and stole the new one, so now I'm make to the broken mouse :(
[21:36] <Zabulus> i have dual boot with win xp, the mouse has not had a single problem in xp
[21:37] <Zabulus> so it seems its a compatability issue or something
[21:38] <jelousbuddy> am i in danger just by existing and being seen by others?
[21:38] <JohnFlux> jelousbuddy: all existance is in danger
[21:39] <Zabulus> well, no fix, can anyone help me upgrade from feisty to gutsy without using a mouse?
[21:39] <JohnFlux> Zabulus: edit /etc/apt/sources.list   replace feisty with gutsy.  apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade
[21:40] <jelousbuddy> can i be repetitive please?
[21:40] <hydrogen> no
[21:40] <hydrogen> you can be on topic though
[21:41] <hydrogen> if you try really hard
[21:41] <ardchoille> JohnFlux: He's going to miss some apps that aren't in Feisty but are new to gutsy that way
[21:41] <JohnFlux> ardchoille: yeah probably
[21:41] <ardchoille> !upgrade
[21:41] <ubotu> For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[21:41] <hydrogen> you can't do that without a mouse though
[21:41] <hydrogen> unless you use tab a lot
[21:41] <hydrogen> though
[21:41] <hydrogen> last I checked, adept had horrible keyboard navigation
[21:41] <ardchoille> hydrogen: does the tab key not work with that?
[21:42] <Zabulus> yeah, it does
[21:42] <hydrogen> it has horrible everything..
[21:42] <ardchoille> hydrogen: Ah, yeah
[21:42] <jelousbuddy> why do i feel about ladies down there?
[21:42] <Zabulus> i have not been able to find a way to just get to that button to upgrade
[21:42] <Zabulus> skips right past it
[21:42] <virnik> can somebody know, why are my X server freezing every 2 minutes or so, for few seconds?
[21:42] <Zabulus> is there a way to control the mouse with the keyboard?
[21:43] <hydrogen> you must be using the demo version of kubuntu
[21:43] <ardchoille> Zabulus: yes
[21:43] <nick_> in konqueror......... my tab menu is on the bottom...... i have been unable to place my tab menu on the top
[21:43] <hydrogen> you need to buy the premium version to get freeze-free operation
[21:43] <jelousbuddy> how many of you re really ignoring me? do you actually do it just not see what i do/say next? thank you
[21:43] <Zabulus> ardchoille: how do i set that up?
[21:44] <ardchoille> Zabulus: kcontrol > Peripherals > Mouse > Mouse Navigation tab
[21:46] <nick_> in konqueror......... my tab menu is on the bottom...... i have been unable to place my tab menu on the top
[21:46] <hydrogen> nick_: don't repeat yourself
[21:46] <hydrogen> its rude
[21:46] <Zabulus> and where is kcontrol?
[21:46] <nick_> sorry, i thought people were irnoring me
[21:46] <ardchoille> Zabulus: alt+f2 , type in kcontrol
[21:47]  * hydrogen notes that gutsy crippled kcontrol
[21:47] <ardchoille> hydrogen: And it's completely gone in kde4
[21:47] <Zabulus> thank you
[21:47] <hydrogen> yep
[21:47] <hydrogen> but
[21:47] <hydrogen> I'm not concerned about kde4
[21:47] <ardchoille> hydrogen: But, I'll write my own version back in :)
[21:47] <hydrogen> I do not plan on using it
[21:47] <hydrogen> for a long time
[21:48] <Zabulus> hopefully i wont need kcontrol with gutsy...
[21:48] <Zabulus> i hope
[21:49] <Zabulus> i just want my mouse to work properly so i can actually use kubuntu
[21:50] <Zabulus> alright, bye
[21:50] <jelousbuddy> is everything OK/alright?
[21:52] <noobiezilla> funny question
[21:52] <noobiezilla> how would I modify the source code of gnibbles ??
[21:52] <noobiezilla> its a part of gnome-games pack and i'd like to mod it
[21:53] <jpatrick> noobiezilla: apt-get source gnibbles
[21:53] <noobiezilla> okay thanks!
[21:54] <jussi01> noobiezilla: remember, no sudo with that or the permissions will be messed up
[21:55] <noobiezilla> ok cool, thanks
[21:56] <Eicca> can someone tell some entertaining 2 player game (with one pc) that works on kubuntu? =)
[21:57] <noobiezilla> is that linux port of mario bros 2 player?
[21:57] <noobiezilla> if so that's not bad
[21:57] <noobiezilla> it's prob 2 player
[21:57] <Lynoure> Eicca: what kind of things normally entertain you? Even Frozen bubble is fun.
[22:02] <RogueJediX> Eicca: As Lynoure suggested, there's Frozen Bubble, Atomic Tanks, Lemmingball Z, etc. Quite a few, actually
[22:03] <noobiezilla> kbounce is a fun port of the old windows jezzball game.  it's more one player, but you could entertainingly compete
[22:05] <Eicca> RogueJediX: We've played frozen bubble
[22:05] <RogueJediX> Eicca: Okay, so you want something else? Any particular genre you enjoy?
[22:11] <noobiezilla> what is a .gnl extension?  i'm guessing its a type of code?  what editor will recognize it?  tia
[22:11] <tekstacy> 'lo all
[22:11] <noobiezilla> hey
[22:13] <tekstacy> If I put my hdd in a different machine, (both x86), will it still boot and detect the changes in hardware?
[22:13] <tekstacy> ie: can I build the software in my box and send it to go live in someone else's?
[22:14] <noobiezilla> my best guess is yes.  i should think the bios would handle it but....
[22:14] <tekstacy> I guess I may have to experiment
[22:14] <tekstacy> :)
[22:14] <noobiezilla> :)
[22:15] <Jack111> hi
[22:15] <tekstacy> hello
[22:15] <noobiezilla> btw that is a really good idea.  never thought of that.  i have a box that has no working inputs,,, that might be a way around that....
[22:15] <ubuntu__> i noticed the live cd of ubuntu has compiz enabled, but kubuntu doesn't seem to
[22:15] <ubuntu__> is there a way to enable it?
[22:16] <tekstacy> yes
[22:16] <tekstacy> Get the compiz package
[22:16] <jussi01> !compiz
[22:16] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[22:16] <ubuntu__> thx
[22:17] <jussi01> ubuntu__: there you are
[22:17] <jussi01> :D
[22:17] <Jack111> i hvae to install access and excel for work, but there are different ways and howtos for wine e.g hhttp://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=372011 ir this ttp://appdb.winehq.org/appview.php?iVersionId=3214, so i am not really sure which way is best??
[22:17] <Jack111> whats easiest?
[22:18] <ubuntu__> also, my friends xp is in a really really bad state with virus issues.  I know clam av is available in linux.  I'm wondering is it possible to install clam av via the live cd and run a scan on his ntfs part?
[22:18] <miguelangel> please, in kvpn im trying to conect to my cisco vpn and ask me for a group password, what is?
[22:18] <jussi01> Jack111: easiest is to go buy crossover office
[22:19] <jussi01> ubuntu__: clamav is also available for windows
[22:19] <Jack111> jussi01: hmm i dont really wnat to spend so much money since its not too difficult to get it installed for linux
[22:20] <jussi01> Jack111: its only $40
[22:20] <Dresken> How the heck do you open a file as root?
[22:20] <jussi01> Dresken: what kind of file?
[22:20] <Dresken> just a directory
[22:20] <noobiezilla> you can right click it and under actions there will be an option
[22:20] <noobiezilla> to open as root
[22:20] <jussi01> Dresken: theres also an option in dolphin on the right
[22:20] <noobiezilla> or from the command line type sudo nano filename
[22:21] <tekstacy> jack111, I installed a virtual machine for those few things I couldn't get to run under wine
[22:21] <Dresken> Thanks ~_~
[22:21] <jussi01> :)
[22:21] <tekstacy> Little bit overkill though....
[22:21] <Jack111> tekstacy: hmm i have to admit that sounds pretty complicated?i am not too into that
[22:22] <tekstacy> :)   It was easier then using wine
[22:22] <Kite_DH> hi i need some help...my kubuntu doesnt boot anymore ... im on live cd rightnow
[22:22] <noobiezilla> jack111:  openoffice can read excel and save as excel files
[22:22] <noobiezilla> would that help?
[22:22] <jussi01> Kite_DH: what exactly did it do, and what did you do the last time it booted?
[22:23] <volker___> Kite_DH: is ther an Error with Grub?
[22:23] <Kite_DH> i dont know, it normally started usually
[22:24] <Jack111> noobiezilla: i know but i need to be able to work with excel for different reasons, its still different..ooffice suite is great though
[22:24] <Kite_DH> but now it stops b4 GRUB loads
[22:24] <jussi01> Kite_DH: does it give yoou a grub error?
[22:24] <Kite_DH> jussi01: nope
[22:24] <noobiezilla> jack111:  i figured that was too obvious and easy a solution :)........afraid i'm not much help with wine
[22:25] <jussi01> Kite_DH: have you changed _anything_ on your machine just before this happened?
[22:27] <Jack111> jussi01: would i still need to buy the office suite as such, the crossover is just the compatibility layer?
[22:27] <Jack111> otherwise very cheap..lol
[22:27] <Lynoure> When is the next HugDay?
[22:27] <jussi01> Jack111: correcyt
[22:27] <tekstacy> Kite_DH, try letting it try to boot, then when it stops, try [ctrl]-[alt]-F1
[22:27] <RichardBH> hi - ive set up a folder to be shared on kubuntu, and i can see the linux box in the workgroup from windows, but when i click it it asks for a username/password - what do i give it?
[22:28] <jussi01> RichardBH: your login user and pass
[22:28] <Level15> XD
[22:29] <jussi01> Level15: ?
[22:29] <bjwebb_> why is compiz so crashy all of a sudden?
[22:29] <RichardBH> jussi01 - the main account on the kubuntu machines? that doesnt seem to work
[22:30] <Level15> jussi01: yeah?
[22:30] <jussi01> RichardBH: the account you set it up on the kubuntu machine with.
[22:30] <RichardBH> hmm - that isnt working
[22:30] <jussi01> RichardBH: have you tried it blank?
[22:31] <Level15> RichardBH: how did you set up the shared folder on the linux box?
[22:31] <Kite_DH> tekstacy: and whats next after ctrl+alt+f1
[22:31] <deuryte> .
[22:31] <deuryte> hurry...no waiting.
[22:31] <RichardBH> Level15 - installed samba, used dolphin to find the folder, right click, properties, share, click shared
[22:32] <tekstacy> well, it may give you a text login, if it does, log in and run sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[22:32] <RichardBH> jussi01 - cant click ok until its got a username and password
[22:32] <bjwebb_> anyone know why compiz might have become crashy recently?
[22:32] <RichardBH> sorry, until its got a username
[22:32] <Level15> RichardBH: I'd be surprised if it worked so easily
[22:32] <tekstacy> btdt several times trying to get my monitor "just" right
[22:32] <volker___> bye
[22:33] <RichardBH> Level15- lol
[22:35] <Level15> RichardBH: you have to set some smb username and pass, dunno if dolphin does that
[22:35] <ultracool> what is violent and threatening behavior? can jerking movement a fidgeting around counts?
[22:36] <tekstacy> ultracool, wtf?
[22:37] <RichardBH> Level15 - interestingly, i can access the share through the samba shares icon on the kubuntu machine
[22:37] <ultracool> tekstacy> why you say wtf and when i say why you say does it sound bad or threatening or loud? can you see differences?
[22:38] <tekstacy> ok
[22:38] <tekstacy> anyway, goodnight all
[22:39] <bjwebb_> have there been any recent updates, in gutsy, to compiz or xorg?
[22:39] <jussi01> bjwebb_: if there have, you would know, as you would have installed them.
[22:40] <bjwebb_> i don't always look at what it is im updating
[22:40] <jussi01> bjwebb_: you should
[22:40] <jussi01> bjwebb_: there has been some updates if i remember correctly.
[22:40] <bjwebb_> jussi01: i kindof glance but i forget
[22:42] <bjwebb_> jussi01: how can i find out what updates ive done recently
[22:42] <bjwebb_> wait a min, i should look at apt log
[22:43] <iceman_> if anybody can help me have a look at this question
[22:43] <iceman_> https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/19141
[22:43] <nick_> for some reason konquer puts my tabs on the bottom instead of the top............... how do i fix this
[22:45] <Jack111> jussi01: do you know if the crossover office already covers excel 2007? cos it doenst say on the webpage
[22:45] <jussi01> Jack111: im not sure. there should ba a compatibility database there
[22:48] <AmyRose> Does anyone know if there's a way to force Skype to use a particular Qt 4 style? I used qtconfig-qt4 to select QtCurve, but it seems to force Cleanlooks
[22:48] <adamonline45> Are there any GIMP project files around for the KDE logo?
[22:48] <AmyRose> All other Qt 4 programs are using QtCurve as they're supposed to
[22:48]  * genii sips a coffee
[22:49] <Jack111> jussi01: no it doesnt, at least not mentioned, but thanks http://www.codeweavers.com/compatibility/browse/name/
[22:50] <jussi01> Jack111: it doesnt : http://www.codeweavers.com/compatibility/browse/group/?app_id=2854
[22:51] <Jack111> thanks jussi01 for making it clear!
[22:51] <Jack111> i think its still a good idea to get, will look into it!
[22:51] <jussi01> Jack111: use the search on the left - it helps lots :D
[22:51] <Jack111> lol
[22:51] <Jack111> yep
[22:52] <bjwebb> jussi01: do you think me changing color depth in xorg.conf could cause the crashiness?
[22:52] <iceman_> hello, can someone help me,
[22:52] <iceman_> So i am prepareing to set-up ubuntu (non-ppc) server...i think 6.06. The purpose is to setup an real time streaming server (rtss) and also to manage all files on one location. So i need the server kinda like this if i am describing it correctly. Part of the server access the internet for RTSS purposes. The other part is for students at a school to login to. The room has 5-7 workstations with 3 computers at each. each computer has to be able to log in to
[22:52] <iceman_> their work station. (for example if 3 of us are @ workstation 3 we each need to be able to access the server with the same users & passwords). Also there are programs (like Garage Band or final cut) that need to be accessed per workstation but they are mac specific. so how do I handle that as well. Please give me the full setup (eg what to install how to do it) and what equipment is recomended.
[22:52] <iceman_> PS the box was originally WIN2k but now contains formated blank hard drive. Also has network card pre-installed. I promise to follow each direction carefully.
[22:53] <sstchur> If I have a samba share, is there a way I can map it so that something like ~/myshare points to that samba share?
[22:53] <sstchur> to make that automatically happen?
[22:55] <bjwebb_> i have a feeling my xorg.conf might be in a  messy state
[22:55] <bjwebb_> is there a way to start from scratch
[22:56] <bjwebb_> a dpkg-reconfigure command or something
[22:56] <bjwebb_> !reconfigure xorg
[22:56] <bjwebb_> !reconfigurexorg
[22:56] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about reconfigurexorg - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[22:56] <gerogehehe> can i use compiz fusion on kde?
[22:57] <bjwebb_> gerogehehe: yeah
[22:57] <genii> gerogehehe: Some video cards work beter than others, but yes.
[22:57] <iceman_> is anybody going to help me with my issue..i meanif no one can help say so..but i know alot o you are smart long tine linux users
[22:57] <iceman_> plz i beg of oyu for your help
[22:57] <iceman_> you can check out my question here https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/19501
[22:58] <justin_> what is your ussue?
[22:58] <iceman_> its an ubuntu server issue..the full question is at the address
[22:58] <lwizardl> hi
[22:58] <bjwebb_> justin_: how to i make xorg.conf again (reconfigure?
[22:58] <iceman_> but basically i need to set up a server that does RSS and also workstation stuff
[22:58] <lwizardl> I have a hfs+ partition mounted in 7.10 and was wondering if there is a way to turn off journalizing from within linux?
[22:59] <gerogehehe> <bjweb genii> how do i enable it on kubuntu?
[22:59] <bjwebb_> gerogehehe: its not installed by default, so you need to install it first
[23:00] <deuryte> Yeeeeeehaw!
[23:00] <jussi01> bjwebb_: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[23:00] <jussi01> deuryte: ?
[23:00] <bjwebb_> ah, i thought it was something like that
[23:00] <deuryte> vista is now adjar.
[23:00] <bjwebb_> couldn't remeber exactly what
[23:00] <iceman_> justin, u get that?
[23:00] <ShawnRisk> I am not able to load the Monitor & Display module in the System Settings. Any ideas how to fix this?
[23:01] <genii> gerogehehe: First ensure you have no pending updates. Then that the latest video driver for your card is in place. Then to install compiz and the configuration manager
[23:01] <genii> !compiz
[23:01] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[23:01] <genii> gerogehehe: Intel video generally needs no tweaks. ATI cards often need xgl disabled. Nvidia offhand I dunno
[23:04] <iceman_> So i am prepareing to set-up ubuntu (non-ppc) server...i think 6.06. The purpose is to setup an real time streaming server (rtss) and also to manage all files on one location. So i need the server kinda like this if i am describing it correctly. Part of the server access the internet for RTSS purposes. The other part is for students at a school to login to. The room has 5-7 workstations with 3 computers at each. each computer has to be able to log in to
[23:04] <iceman_> their work station. (for example if 3 of us are @ workstation 3 we each need to be able to access the server with the same users & passwords). Also there are programs (like Garage Band or final cut) that need to be accessed per workstation but they are mac specific. so how do I handle that as well. Please give me the full setup (eg what to install how to do it) and what equipment is recomended.
[23:04] <iceman_> PS the box was originally WIN2k but now contains formated blank hard drive. Also has network card pre-installed. I promise to follow each direction carefully.
[23:06]  * genii wonders if workstation in this case means hub/switch
[23:06] <iceman_> no
[23:07] <iceman_> workstation as in those sets of computers.....every computer in that room is already connected to one switch
[23:08] <ShawnRisk> any ideas?
[23:08] <iceman_> genii, does that help you
[23:09] <matt_____> when i hit alt+spacebar to bring up katapult, if there is a program open, such as firefox, even if it is in the foreground, it brings it to focus. How can i stop this?
[23:09] <matt_____> anyone even understand me?
[23:10] <iceman_> i understand however i can help you srry
[23:10] <genii> iceman_: It clarifies a bit. So the server streams to the internet, holds shared files
[23:10] <matt_____> iceman_: talking to e?
[23:10] <AmyRose> matt_____: I am not sure I understand you.
[23:10] <iceman_> Matt yes and genni yes
[23:10] <iceman_> genii*
[23:11] <matt_____> AmyRose: I'll have all windows minimized to taskbar, then i'll bring up katapult (launcher) with alt+spacebar, but when i do this, katapult comes up, but also any windows that are minized, well they are maximized
[23:12] <stupidbitch> i got a adept notifying, what is it? how can i get rid of it :S thank you
[23:12] <AmyRose> !ohmy | stupidbitch
[23:12] <ubotu> stupidbitch: Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.
[23:13] <AmyRose> matt_____: Does this happen when the windows are not all minimized to the taskbar?
[23:13] <iceman_> lol thats funny her usr is getting her in trouble
[23:13] <genii> iceman_: So these machines on the network are running some Mac OS ?
[23:13] <AmyRose> iceman_: :D
[23:13] <stupidbitch> adept notifyer
[23:13] <iceman_> yesh OS X tiger i think...its the one before leporad
[23:13] <stupidbitch> adept notifier
[23:14] <matt_____> AmyRose: well...what it does, if all windows are minimized, after alt+spacebar, it brings up katapult, and also brings up the last window that was maximized. thats it. so if you have something maximized, nothing but katapult pops up
[23:15] <matt_____> AmyRose: and its not just the alt-spacebar combination, its anything i set it too
[23:16] <norman> is there anybody running gusyt with printer sharing working
[23:16] <AmyRose> matt_____: I just tried it myself and Katapult is still on top for me, is that what happens to you too?
[23:16] <iceman_> genii, yesh OS X tiger i think...its the one before leporad
[23:16] <matt_____> AmyRose: it's on top, but it maximizes a window as well. i can see katapult, but the window get maximized from the taskbar
[23:17] <stupidbitch> how do i move windows to get wobbly  effect?
[23:17] <matt_____> AmyRose: just a minor annoyance, that's all
[23:19] <maduser> I can't get xsnow to work
[23:19] <maduser> In compiz its looks really messed up and in kwin it does not appear at all
[23:20] <genii> iceman_: Using either NFS or Samba seems to me the best solution in this case. All OS X have builtin smb client for instance. On the server if the login name will be the same for all machines this simplifies access. NFS would be the more native type solution.
[23:20] <varaonaid> hello, i just upgraded from feisty to gutsy and everything went ok except for firefox.  my fonts are all huge - and just wrong.
[23:20] <varaonaid> both in menus and pages
[23:20] <varaonaid> pages aren't rendering as they should be.
[23:20] <iceman_> ok...so then the question what type of server do i install for RTSS and sharing filess...
[23:20] <adamonline45> Does anyone have a Kubuntu-logo GIMP project file?
[23:21] <usubnutlksjdfljk> hi from the Ozark LInux Users Group
[23:21] <varaonaid> i've tried all the options in system settings>appearance>fonts and it doesn't seem to matter what the settings are even changing the GTK ones.
[23:21] <usubnutlksjdfljk> There are 6 of us here.
[23:21] <varaonaid> any ideas how to fix or get the info on how to fix?
[23:22] <NickPresta> varaonaid, have you set the GTK styles to use the QT styles?
[23:22] <varaonaid> NickPresta: yes, I did
[23:23] <AmyRose> matt_____: Well, I have had to get into the habit of mimizing all, then clicking twice on one of the taskbar entries, so it doesn't do that.
[23:23] <iceman_> genii, what is the best installation type to support both the RTSS and sharing files...
[23:23] <AmyRose> matt_____: Not double-clicking--two slow clickas
[23:23] <genii> iceman_: For the filesharing part I would recommend currently samba for this application. So on the server to make sure samba server is installed. For the real time streaming stuff it depends on what you are streaming and if from the server hard drive or some machine inside the network, etc
[23:23] <AmyRose> clicks*
[23:23] <iceman_> well the drive is big enough but its just music that its streaming
[23:24] <iceman_> genii, well the drive is big enough but its just music that its streaming
[23:24] <genii> iceman_: There is no integrated package which is something like networkserver-rtss install :) They need to be considered as two separate issues
[23:24] <john-angel> how do you get themes to install?
[23:25] <iceman_> genii, understood so are you saying i would have to install ubuntu server twice on 2 diffrent hard drive? i don't understand
[23:25] <genii> iceman_: For streaming music you can use the program ICES or ICES2 .....
[23:26] <iceman_> genii, ooook thank
[23:26] <jembouge> john-angel: kdelook.org
[23:27] <genii> iceman_: No, not 2 different server installations etc. But within the operating system are smaller programs which are specific programs to handle something like webserving (apache2) windows networking (samba) music serving (ices/ices2)  network file sharing (nfs) and so on like this
[23:27] <john-angel> already tryed all things kdm man will not open themes
[23:29] <genii> !info fluendo
[23:29] <ubotu> Package fluendo does not exist in gutsy
[23:30] <genii> !info flumotion
[23:30] <ubotu> flumotion: Fluendo Streaming Server - manager, worker and admin. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.4.2-2 (gutsy), package size 732 kB, installed size 3976 kB
[23:30] <genii> !info ices2
[23:30] <ubotu> ices2: Ogg Vorbis streaming source for Icecast 2. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.0.1-5 (gutsy), package size 54 kB, installed size 248 kB
[23:30] <genii> etc
[23:37] <Jack111> hi
[23:37] <Minataku> Heya, genii
[23:37] <iceman_> genii, kinda quick question. there are to accounts, the root and a regular usr that i have. my problem is 1 the root can login from another account to run things like adept and 2 kmix wont work properly and is muted on the non root account
[23:38] <Jack111> can soemone help?when i do su - it tells me authentication failure, so my sudo login doesnt work, but i didnt set up a specific su -  password, afaik
[23:38] <Dr_willis> Jack111,  use sudo not su -
[23:39]  * genii slides Minataku a coffee
[23:39]  * Minataku drinks then meows
[23:39] <Minataku> lol
[23:39] <Minataku> What's up?
[23:39] <Minataku> Hi, Dr_Willis :D
[23:39] <Dr_willis> pizza time
[23:39] <Jack111> Dr_willis: i was just trying to do this:http://appdb.winehq.org/appview.php?iVersionId=3214
[23:39] <Dr_willis> freezing rain here also
[23:40] <Jack111> Dr_willis: how is that with sudo?
[23:40] <Dr_willis> no idea - i cant click on your link.. :)
[23:40] <genii> iceman_: Admin things like installing programs need special privelege. The first user in ubuntu that is made has this privelege
[23:40] <Minataku> Mmmmm. Pizza and freezing rain.
[23:40] <genii> sudo
[23:41] <Dr_willis> i dont even see where su - or sudo are being ised im at that site
[23:42] <genii> Weird. I'm also eating pizza, waiting for Toronto/Boston hockey game
[23:43] <Dragnslcr> You mean it'll actually be a game?
[23:43] <genii> iceman_: kmix issue exists on root also or just non root user?
[23:43] <Jack111> Dr_willis:  i was just trying to install a crossover trial thing, and it asks to do su - , then sh install-crossover-standard-demo-6.2.0.sh, but it tells me it cannot find the file, so i thought i have to use sh - instead of sudo?
[23:43] <genii> Dragnslcr: Bah :)
[23:43] <iceman_> genii, just non root
[23:44] <Dr_willis> that is saying badly then that you need to run it as root
[23:44] <Dragnslcr> genii- sorry, cynical Boston fan here
[23:44] <Dr_willis> sudo sh watever.sh
[23:44] <genii> iceman_: Then seems like some permissions problem in running the mixer or such. Perhaps another issue however. Sound debugging is not one of my strengths
[23:45] <genii> Dragnslcr: Cynical Leafs fan here
[23:45] <iceman_> genii, i c ok..thansk for your help then
[23:46] <Dragnslcr> genii- heh, I'm just impressed that Boston isn't in last place this year
[23:46]  * genii steals a slice of Minataku's pizza
[23:46] <Minataku> ?
[23:46] <Minataku> I had lazagna
[23:46] <Minataku> lol
[23:46] <Jack111> Dr_willis: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/m66d247e1 thats where it said that..well, what did i do wrong when i downloaded and unpacked it with dpkg -i, then it says it cannot find the  installation file if i do sh ...sh?
[23:46] <genii> iceman_: Searching google for help on setting up an ices or ices2 server and for samba setups on ubuntu may be useful to you
[23:47] <Jack111> Dr_willis: sorry, it says it cannot open ...
[23:47]  * genii steals a corner piece of Minataku's lasagna then
[23:47] <smooker> how can i get Windows Mplayer for firefox working under kubuntu ?
[23:47] <Jack111> Dr_willis: sh: Can't open install-crossover-standard-demo-6.2.0.sh
[23:48] <Dr_willis> unpacked it ? -  sudo dpkg -i Whatever.deb   INSTALLS somthing...
[23:48] <user1> how to fuck riaa etc and install dvd support
[23:48]  * genii tries not to think about wndows version of mplayer for windows version of firefox working under wine
[23:48] <genii> !ohmy | user1
[23:48] <ubotu> user1: Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.
[23:48] <lounge> Automatix?
[23:48] <Dr_willis> Jack111,  you could just do a 'sudo -s' then run sh whteverver.sh
[23:48] <Minataku> lol
[23:48] <neville> Lol
[23:48] <neville> x.x;
[23:48] <Dr_willis> automatix is  best at *$*@&@@ up your own system.
[23:49] <lounge> :o(
[23:49] <genii> !dvd
[23:49] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at !Medibuntu or (for Feisty and earlier) http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[23:49] <Xcell> ya Auto matix stinks.
[23:49] <Jack111> Dr_willis: sorry i meant  that , i tried dpkg, because it said it couldnt open it, now it still doesnt work, so i tried all again with sh..
[23:49] <smooker> if i cant use WMP for Firefox under Linux i cant watch Online TV!! at utv.bg!!!
[23:50] <Dr_willis> Jack111,  i think you have managed to totallly confuse everyone and everything. :)
[23:50] <Jack111> Dr_willis:lol..being good at that
[23:50] <Jack111> Dr_willis: i think i remove all and give a fresh try with sudo -s
[23:52] <rignes> Are there any issues that would be causes by uninstalling Dolphin?
[23:52] <genii> smooker: kmplayer for standalone, mozilla-mplayer for linux firefox player
[23:52] <Jack111> Dr_willis: oh, it worked fine with dpkg_i,i just was too stupid to find it in the menu, cos it puts itself in a completely new category, not in office applications...
[23:52] <Dr_willis> rignes,  you could just set konqueror as the default file manager and leave dolphin installed.
[23:53] <rignes> Dr_willis: How do you do that?
[23:53] <Dr_willis> its FAQ time!
[23:53] <Dr_willis> !dolphin
[23:53] <ubotu> Dolphin, or more properly D3lphin, is the new default file manager for Kubuntu 7.10 Gutsy Gibbon. If you would like to make Konqueror your default file manager again, go to Konqueror - Settings menu - Configure Konqueror - File Associations and change the association for inode/directory and inode/system_directory to Konqueror at the top rather than Dolphin.
[23:53] <dreamcoder> can someone please tell me how to enable compiz and als change the file manager to a diff one other than dolphin thanks
[23:53] <Dr_willis> its amazing easy :)
[23:53] <rrbiz> is there tool to restore grub with a dual partition for kubuntu and xp ?
[23:53] <rignes> Nice, thanks.
[23:53] <lounge> :o
[23:55] <jussi01> !compiz > dreamcoder
[23:55] <dreamcoder> cheers
[23:56] <rignes> Oh, speaking of Compiz.  Has anyone has an issue with loosing their window decorations when using ALT-TAB?
[23:56] <jussi01> :D
[23:56] <neville> Just
[23:56] <neville> Press Alt+F2
[23:56] <neville> Then type
[23:56] <neville> Kwin --replace
[23:56] <smooker> kmplayer doesnt work MAN JUST TRY utv.bg and try all players i tryed it not work!!
[23:56] <neville> Then to switch back to Compiz, compiz --replace
[23:56] <neville> Fixes it right up
[23:57] <Dr_willis> then just remove compiz :)  and get back to work!
[23:57] <rignes> The trouble is, it shouldn't need fixing.  It's not consistent but frequent enough to be terribly annoying.
[23:57] <neville> You know
[23:57] <neville> It's still
[23:58] <neville> Very very early release
[23:58] <rignes> I removed compiz for now.
[23:58] <neville> Bugs and stuffups are a given =)
[23:58] <rignes> Yeah, it's not important enough to fight with.
[23:58] <Dr_willis> enable compiz.. to show off.. then disable it to work. :)
[23:58] <Dr_willis> Theres a few compiz features i like.. but only a few
[23:58] <neville> Yeah
[23:58] <neville> Pretty much
[23:58] <user1> !medibuntu
[23:58] <ubotu> medibuntu is a repository of packages that cannot be included into the Ubuntu distribution for legal reasons - See http://www.medibuntu.org
[23:58] <genii> Dr_willis: Thats what I do, toggle it
[23:58] <rignes> I was just hoping to have my desktop all pimped out so I can show my boss how much better it looks than the Aero Vista interface he gets all hot over.
[23:59] <neville> That's fine, just don't Alt+Tab =]
[23:59] <Dr_willis> Tell him that 'theme/look/ obession is so.. 2007' its all about the  Mouse Cursor now!
[23:59] <neville> Hahaha