[00:23] <LimCore> ubuntu uses 100% of CPU (well, 1 of 2 core so 50%) when downloading in synaptic, is this normal?
[01:41] <infinitycircuit> hardy alpha 1 seems much more stable than gutsy was at this point
[01:42] <crimsun> heh.  Install linux-image-2.6.24-1-generic, then.
[01:42] <crimsun> ;-)
[01:42] <infinitycircuit> i am running it
[01:43] <crimsun> it's nice and explo-tastic here.
[03:16] <WorkingOnWise> Is the compiz tray icon and Compiz Fuzion Settings Manager broken since yesterday? Mine is.
[03:36] <Supaplex> I'm a long time user of sid, what's the ubuntu equiv? I need to compare sources and patches to see if I can isolate a few bugs.
[04:26] <silent> hey guys, long time no join, how's hardy coming along?
[04:39] <LimCore> ubuntu is so insecure towards usres running a bit with scizors
[04:39] <LimCore> memtest 10G -> hard freez.   why not set any ulimit by default?
[04:43] <bazhang> hardy is fast
[04:45] <silent> what's new in hardy so far?
[04:45] <LimCore> can we add default ulimis to hardy, please?
[04:47] <bazhang> not that much new--just faster as far as I can tell--you should join hardy-changes mailing list--lists.ubuntu.com
[05:14] <Naisenu> If I am running Hardy already and have a problem with a different program on it, this channel or the main Ubuntu one?
[05:15] <Dr_willis> hardy stuff goes here.
[05:15] <Naisenu> okay
[05:15] <Dr_willis> and hardy is very very much a work in progress. :)
[05:15] <Naisenu> Hi. Trying to play a 3gp file from a friend. I added the mediubuntu gusty repository to SPM and installed ffplay. Also have the w32codecs installed. I get video but no audio. (Same question I asked there though)
[05:16] <Naisenu> Hardy hasn't given me issues :)
[05:18] <Naisenu> oh apparently I'm wrong and we've gone back to Gutsy ... husband playing mind games on me ... nm me then
[05:18] <Naisenu> is there a better channel to ask this question btw?
[05:19] <Dr_willis> Its possible its using some odd audio codec. try some other players. like vlc, xine, gmplayer,
[05:19] <Dr_willis> also check what audio codec its using
[05:19] <Naisenu> how do i do the last bit?
[05:20] <Dr_willis> right clickon it - and look at properties. :)
[05:20] <Naisenu> ah AMR audio
[05:21] <Dr_willis> thats one ive Never heard of befor, :)
[05:24] <Naisenu> libavcodec1d <- that package says it has support
[05:24] <Naisenu> doing a search for AMR in SPM
[05:42] <Naisenu> which package is gmplayer in? not finding it
[05:46] <Naisenu> Okay update, i have totem, ffplayer, and vlc ... none of them give sound on the 3gp file i'm trying to play
[05:47] <silent> man I'm really looking forward to getting my new credit card
[06:11] <cps1966> !nvidia
[06:11] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[07:12] <rx_> hmm
[07:12] <rx_> i have problems with fonts since like 2 days
[07:12] <rx_> in firefox, fonts appear smaller
[07:13] <rx_> i would say barely readable
[07:13] <rx_> fontconfig changes?
[07:15] <rx_> might be firefox btw but i didnt see it being updated
[07:19] <mendred> hi if i want to add PREFIX=/usr and
[07:19] <mendred> LIBDIR=/usr/lib64 by default
[07:19] <mendred> for all configure scripts
[07:20] <mendred> is there some file i can set it..instead of plonking it for each compile across the system?
[07:26] <capouais> hello
[07:27] <capouais> I'm having some serious problems with my sound in hardy (gutsy, too) that I don't have in feisty.  Can anyone help me diagnose it and submit a ticket?
[07:28] <capouais> o...k...
[07:30] <silent> ahahahahaa
[07:57] <mohkohn> Is the lvm dmcrypt still in the alternate installer or is it also in the new installer?
[09:46] <oxigen> can i use 32bit swap on 64bit build?
[09:48] <Toma-> ...swap is a filesystem
[09:48] <Toma-> bit has no effect
[09:48] <oxigen> ok, thanks
[11:07] <gary4gar> is pulse audio included in alpha ?
[11:08] <bardyr> hey
[11:09] <bardyr> !info linux-image-generic
[11:09] <ubotu> linux-image-generic: Generic Linux kernel image. In component main, is optional. Version 2.6.22.14.21 (gutsy), package size 24 kB, installed size 52 kB
[11:09] <bardyr> !info linux-image-generic hardy
[11:09] <ubotu> linux-image-generic: Generic Linux kernel image. In component main, is optional. Version 2.6.22.14.21 (hardy), package size 24 kB, installed size 52 kB
[11:09] <bardyr> how can i get the latest 2.6.24 kernel?
[11:11] <gary4gar> bardyr, download from kernel.org & compile yourself :)
[11:12] <bardyr> gary4gar, i was wondering about downloading the ubuntu kernel git and compiling it but i hoped there was a better way
[11:13] <Hobbsee> ubuntu kernel is not necessarily the latest kernel
[11:14] <gary4gar> bardyr, try kernel check
[11:14] <bardyr> Hobbsee, i know but the the hardy tree should play better with hardy then a vanilla kernel?
[11:14] <bardyr> gary4gar, kernel check?
[11:14] <gary4gar> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=618563
[11:15] <gary4gar> Hobbsee, i upgrade to alpha one last night, i see pulse audio running as one of the process, has pulse audio replaced ALSA?
[11:16] <Hobbsee> probably, or it's in the process of doing so
[11:19] <geser> !info linux-image-2.6.24-1-generic hardy
[11:19] <ubotu> linux-image-2.6.24-1-generic: Linux kernel image for version 2.6.24 on x86/x86_64. In component main, is optional. Version 2.6.24-1.1 (hardy), package size 19256 kB, installed size 66156 kB
[11:19] <geser> bardyr: ^^^ I guess the meta package wasn't updated yet
[11:19] <bardyr> w00t :D
[11:19] <bardyr> geser, i was wondering why the kernel libc was .24 but not the kernel :D
[14:02] <gary4gar> hello anyone there?
[14:02] <Tuplanolla> yea
[14:03] <gary4gar> i have a problem with pulseaudio, no sound :(
[17:04] <stgraber> Hi, Any of you knows how to turn off the ssh agent part of the gnome keyring ? This thing annoys me, I prefer to manage the ssh-agent myself (on Hardy that's)
[18:06] <jorgp> is there a spec as to what versions are planned for hardy's toolchain?
[18:09] <crimsun> officially, no.
[18:09] <jorgp> unofficially?
[18:09] <crimsun> not documented on the wiki.
[18:10] <crimsun> your best bet is to ask cjwatson or doko
[18:10] <jorgp> are they staying with gcc 4.2 or moving to 4.3?
[18:10] <jorgp> ok
[18:11] <crimsun> I would think that staying with >= 4.2.2 is the choice
[18:11] <crimsun> it is, after all, an LTS
[18:11] <crimsun> we're already running a snap of 4.2.3
[18:12] <jorgp> makes sense
[18:12] <jorgp> I guess 4.3 would be hardy +1
[18:23] <LimCore> vim hanged, should I report it in  https://bugs.launchpad.net/vim/+filebug   or find vim's upsteam bug tracker?
[19:58] <capouais> hi :)
[20:03] <cdm10> Are the VirtualBox Guest Additions known to be broken in Hardy?
[20:32] <bullgard4> What does 'pm-utils' stand for?
[20:37] <Seveas> bullgard4, wild guess: power management utils
[20:37] <Seveas> !info pm-utils
[20:37] <ubotu> pm-utils: utilities and scripts for power management. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.99.2-1 (gutsy), package size 20 kB, installed size 196 kB
[20:38] <bullgard4> Seveas: My question proper was why a kernel developer said that pm-utils are for Hardy and acpi-support is for Gutsy.
[20:39] <Seveas> !config chanenl plugins.encyclopedia.searchorder
[20:39] <Seveas> !config channel plugins.encyclopedia.searchorder
[20:40] <Seveas> !config list plugins.encyclopedia
[20:40] <Seveas> @config list plugins.encyclopedia
[20:40] <ubotu> #database, #prefixchar, #searchorder, alert, aptdir, datadir, notfoundmsg, packagelookup, public, and relaychannel
[20:40] <Seveas> @config channel plugins.encyclopedia.searchorder
[20:40] <ubotu> gutsy
[20:40] <Seveas> @config channel plugins.encyclopedia.searchorder hardy
[20:40] <ubotu> OK
[20:40] <Seveas> @config plugins.encyclopedia.searchorder
[20:40] <ubotu> gutsy
[20:40] <Seveas> !pm-utils
[20:40] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about pm-utils - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[20:40] <Seveas> !info pm-utils
[20:41] <ubotu> pm-utils: utilities and scripts for power management. In component main, is optional. Version 0.99.2-3 (hardy), package size 17 kB, installed size 188 kB
[20:41] <Seveas> !info acpi-support
[20:41] <ubotu> acpi-support: a collection of useful events for acpi. In component main, is optional. Version 0.104 (hardy), package size 34 kB, installed size 856 kB (Only available for i386 amd64 ia64 lpia)
[20:41] <Seveas> pm-utils has been promoted to main
[20:41] <Seveas> Probably it's intended to replace acpi-support for newer kernels
[20:42] <Seveas> the kernel developer you talked to knows better than I do :)
[20:43] <bullgard4> Seveas: As you might know, kernel developers are rarely verbose.
[20:43] <Seveas> that I know :)
[20:44] <bullgard4> Seveas: So thank you very much for your ample help.
[22:35] <oliver_g_> hi
[22:35] <dr_evil> good evening
[22:36] <oliver_g_> I was wondering how to report bugs for Hardy alpha...
[22:36] <oliver_g_> For example, displayconfig-gtk thinks that I use the vesa driver when i actually use the intel driver
[22:36] <oliver_g_> which is probably due to the new Xorg and the now-nonexistent xorg.conf
[22:37] <oliver_g_> should I open a bug for things like this?
[22:38] <dr_evil> perhaps somebody else knows, I already reported bugs, too, but nobody really seems to care about them
[22:39] <oliver_g_> I suppose most maintainers are quite aware of these problems that were introduced with new Xorg (and probably they are working on this also if no bugs are reported :)
[22:41] <h3sp4wn> oliver_g_ / dr_evil : Could be interesting to find out what laptops some of the developers use (Then its highly likely that they would work properly very quickly)
[22:41] <h3sp4wn> oliver_g_: Can you not just make an xorg.conf the old way ? (still works if it does exist)
[22:42] <dr_evil> I meant this in general, not related to x org. however, I'm one of those lost souls that need to kill compiz frequently
[22:43] <dr_evil> on the other hand, hardy alpha 1 is running much better than gutsy tribe 1
[22:43] <oliver_g_> h3sp4wn: I'm just running the Hardy LiveCD right now, to test whether some problems I've seen under Gutsy have already been fixed in Hardy :-)
[22:44] <oliver_g_> h3sp4wn: and so in the usual "playing around" I noticed these things...
[22:44] <oliver_g_> it's probably too early still for casual bug reports
[22:47]  * dr_evil exchanged the motherbaord of his hardy installation twice now, once with gigabyte (broken baord, USB controllers dead), and then again with MSI
[23:23] <dr_evil> compitz Version 1:0.6.99+git20071205-0ubuntu3: readd ati X300, X600, X700 to blacklist
[23:23] <dr_evil> does anyone know why? my other machine has such a card (X300)
[23:24] <h3sp4wn> You can just remove them from the blacklist should you wish
[23:25] <h3sp4wn> edit /usr/bin/compiz
[23:26] <crdlb> h3sp4wn: please don't recommend that
[23:26] <crdlb> if you want to bypass the blacklist, then put SKIP_CHECKS=yes in ~/.config/compiz/compiz-manager
[23:29] <h3sp4wn> crdlb: If it works and you remove the pciid of you card then you can make a diff - why just skip the checks
[23:29] <dr_evil> ok thank you both, it's not that important right now, as the machine is running fine with edgy, I just was surprised
[23:30] <crdlb> h3sp4wn: because a compiz update will clobber it
[23:30] <crdlb> and if you really *do* have problems, it's harder to undo
[23:30] <h3sp4wn> crdlb: conf-miss && conf-new
[23:30] <h3sp4wn> and reinstall the package
[23:31] <crdlb> rm ~/.config/compiz/compiz-manager is easier :)
[23:31] <h3sp4wn> I guess I still treat compiz as a waste of time that you only play with for 5 mins every so often
[23:37] <silent> h3sp4wn, I use it off and on
[23:37] <silent> mostly to show up mac users
[23:42] <h3sp4wn> silent: Most of the mac users I know wouldn't care about that
[23:44] <dr_evil> I mostly care about stability and speed
[23:45] <h3sp4wn> dr_evil: So why use bleeding edge linux then
[23:46] <silent> if I wanted stability and speed I'd probably run 6.04
[23:46] <silent> until 8.04,that is
[23:46] <crdlb> 6.06 :)
[23:46] <silent> oh no
[23:47] <cafuego> Except 6.06 isn't particularly useful on current hardware.
[23:47] <silent> if I wanted stability I wouldnt use current hardware
[23:47] <cafuego> Last year's hardware then - same diff ;-)
[23:48] <silent> hehe, yea I'm waiting for 8.04.... probly stop upgrading for a while at that point
[23:48] <silent> reinstalls are taking their toll on my sanity
[23:48]  * cafuego runs 6.06 as Xen domUs to make hardware be not a problem.
[23:49] <h3sp4wn> Is there actually a xen installer for Ubuntu yet
[23:49] <h3sp4wn> (Solaris Express for me is by far the way forward for running Xen Dom0
[23:49] <cafuego> h3sp4wn: debootstrap?
[23:50] <silent> do you think the transformers in the movie were linux-based?
[23:50] <cafuego> silent: There was no linux in the 80s.
[23:50] <silent> lies
[23:50] <h3sp4wn> cafuego: Its not integrated the same way as for example I could install a solaris domU or RHEL or CentOS etc
[23:51] <silent> they brought it to earth
[23:51] <cafuego> h3sp4wn: In terms of a GUI for xen-create-image? Prolly not... but oh well .. easily scriptable.
[23:52] <h3sp4wn> cafuego: No - not bothered for a gui
[23:52] <dr_evil> h3sp4wn well, i have three machines here. one is running edgy and I use it often, but gutsy wouldn't run very well, so when I build a new machine last week for a RAID system, I decided to give hary a try
[23:52] <cafuego> h3sp4wn: I set 'em up via xen-create-image, then untar the libpam-ldap and libnss-ldap config into /.
[23:53] <cafuego> h3sp4wn: Note though that I only run Ubuntu/Debian domUs. Not other distros.
[23:53] <h3sp4wn> cafuego: Exactly
[23:54] <dr_evil> h3sp4wn except the compiz problem (which seems to be triggered by xchat, and I'm now connected with VNC to a windows mirc) and some very old still unfixed bugs, hardy seems to workfne
[23:54] <h3sp4wn> cafuego: I will be running other operating systems (but dealing with backups and such with zfs)
[23:55]  * cafuego has raid5 with lvm snapshots and rdiff-backup
[23:55] <cafuego> But for now...
[23:55] <cafuego> it's back to mythtv
[23:56] <h3sp4wn> I can sort it out its just harder than it should be (Ubuntu supposed to be easy for all etc)
[23:57] <poorenglish> sry, whats problem have compiz with xchat?
[23:58] <poorenglish> has*
[23:59] <dr_evil> poorenglish compiz seems to freeze (100% CPU) much faster when I'm running XChat-Gnome
[23:59] <dr_evil> *seems*
[23:59] <poorenglish> ok