[00:03] <tkamppeter_> slangasek, geser. with today's updates --ignore-missing-info in HPLIP works again.
[00:04] <tkamppeter_> Should I re-introduce --ignore-missing-info in HPLIP's Debian SVN or leave it away for backportability?
[00:04] <slangasek> tkamppeter_: as I said above, --ignore-missing-info is the wrong solution to the problem
[00:05] <slangasek> tkamppeter_: the real problem is that hplip contains a library, which binaries in the hpijs package link against, but there's no proper shlib declaration for this relationship
[00:05] <slangasek> so hpijs just depends on "hplip", which is wrong, because future versions of hplip may ship a lib with a different soname
[00:05] <tkamppeter_> slangasek, so I will inform Mark Purcell.
[00:05] <slangasek> ok
[00:05] <slangasek> or if you like, I can file a bug on the Debian package this weekend
[00:06] <tkamppeter_> slangasek, this would be great. Please do it.
[02:49] <StevenK> keescook: Membership to u-u-s; thanks
[02:50] <StevenK> keescook: Membership fixed, that is -- sorry, I'm a bit scatterbrained today
[03:03] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee: Apparently not.
[03:04] <Hobbsee> :)
[05:09] <minghua> I wonder if there is enough interest to improve the texlive packages in gutsy.
[05:12] <minghua> The texlive stuff in gutsy is not particularly in good shape, and with the recent security upgrade, people are start seeing upgrade failures, such as bug 174569.
[05:12] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 174569 in texlive-bin "postinst failure during gutsy security update" [Unknown,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174569
[05:13] <minghua> TeXlive upstream developers, as well as Debian texlive maintainer, Norbert, proposes to upgrade texlive version to at least 2007-11.
[05:13] <minghua> (gutsy currently have 2007-10)
[05:15] <minghua> IMHO it's pretty bad to have upgrade failures for security updates...
[07:35] <StEaLtHtHiEf> I have an easy question.  Can I develop a program that for example, when the user hits a key combination, like shift+enter, a circle is drawn around the mouse pointer until the key's are depressed erasing the circle?
[07:37] <persia> StEaLtHtHiEf: Yes.
[07:38] <StEaLtHtHiEf> is there a site that I can go read up on this, i don't wanna both you for info if there is something out there already.
[07:40] <persia> StEaLtHtHiEf: That's a harder question.  I suspect that x.org likely has some pointers to the right specifications, but I'm not sure.
[07:41] <StEaLtHtHiEf> ubuntuforums.org isn't working for me
[07:43] <StEaLtHtHiEf> so that is why I am here, I am looking to try to develop a program so that I can stop using panels.  Sort of a shift+mouse_button_1 menu that comes up around the mouse.
[07:52] <persia> StEaLtHtHiEf: Ah.  This isn't really a support forum, even for developing applications on Ubuntu or for Ubuntu.  You might look at how fluxbox does it: there is a contextual menu there.
[07:54] <StEaLtHtHiEf> Not looking for support, just needed an answer to my first question.  second was just idle conversation.
[07:54] <StEaLtHtHiEf> And I do thank you for pointing me in a direction.
[07:54] <persia> StEaLtHtHiEf: Ah.  Excellent then :)  Sorry for the confusion.
[07:54] <StEaLtHtHiEf> no problem!
[08:05] <Lore2> I've done a little programming in windows, but I've got no experience programming under linux, what kind of material should I read if I want to fix bugs / improve functionality?
[08:09] <StEaLtHtHiEf> i can't get the ubuntu forum page to come up
[08:09] <StEaLtHtHiEf> but there is a development forum, might be programming or something.
[08:10] <StEaLtHtHiEf> Somewhere there, is what your looking for.  As I said, the page isn't working for me, and I can't tell you exactly
[08:10] <persia> Lore2: I'd suggest looking at similar code as a good way to learn.  Most of the APIs have docs, but it's not often in a HOWTO format.
[08:11] <Lore2> As i'm very unfamiliar with linux, could you name a couple of the commonly used API's so I can pull up the documentation for them?
[08:12] <slangasek> "POSIX"? :)
[08:12] <Lore2> that's it?
[08:12] <slangasek> that's one of the more important core APIs
[08:12] <persia> X has a bunch.  GTK and QT are popular.
[08:12] <slangasek> there are lots of others, but tend to be specific to context
[08:19] <Lore2> Just out of curiosity is KDE/QT better than GNOME/GTK atm? I've noticed some missing features in gnome that I've heard are in KDE.
[09:27] <MacSlow> Greetings everybody!
[10:44] <Hobbsee> ah, good.  gutsy has firefox 3
[11:16] <geser> infinity: I've now filed a bug for the manual boot-strapping of mig and gnumach: bug #174851
[11:16] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 174851 in mig "mig and gnumach need a manual boot-strapping on the buildds" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174851
[12:35] <ogra> asac, you dont happen to be around, do you ?
[12:36] <asac> ogra: more or less yes
[12:37] <ogra> i'm just looking through these xul hall of fame ... there is a very intresting minimal browser called mybrowser
[12:37] <ogra> s/these/this/
[12:37] <asac> is it a xul app?
[12:37] <ogra> yes
[12:37] <ogra> http://benjamin.smedbergs.us/xulrunner/
[12:38] <ogra> it eats 30M RSS (vs 80 here for teh same firefox win open) ... no tabs, no new windows
[12:39] <ogra> linking the plugin dir from firefox into its work tree makes all plugins work etc ... very nice little thing
[12:40] <asac> ogra: ok cool ... file a bug requesting to package it (if you don't want to do that on your own) :)
[12:40] <asac> ogra: we wilil do it then
[12:40] <ogra> hmm, i never packaged a xul app ...
[12:41] <asac> ogra: hmm ... it looks like lots of features are missing... like bookmarks et al
[12:41] <ogra> could be an intresting exercise :)
[12:41] <asac> ogra: should be fairly simple to package
[12:41] <ogra> yeah, its very cut down, but could be a base for enhancements
[12:41] <ogra> (it supports extensions, so bokmarks could as well be an extension :) )
[12:42] <ogra> in any case its fast, small and compatible that makes it intresting :)
[12:42] <asac> yeah :)
[12:42] <asac> you can write your own browser like that in a few minutes ... thats the power of xulrunner
[12:43] <ogra> well, you have to know the language :)
[12:43] <asac> its like html (xul) + javascript
[12:44] <ogra> hmm
[12:44] <asac> there should be lots of folks that have a similar skillset that can easily be extended
[12:44] <asac> but in the end its like writing dynamic websites with real widgets :)
[12:45] <ogra> lol
[12:45]  * ogra just thought the brwser was broken, but google.de is supposed to be black today :)
[12:46] <asac> why is that?
[12:46] <asac> ah lichtaus
[12:46] <ogra> yeah
[12:49] <asac> ok i am out ... need food ;)
[14:09] <swien> hi
[14:09] <limac> hi can anyone tell me how to be a part of the hardy devel community
[14:14] <swien> Can anyone tell me how to package java software with maven build-system?
[14:17] <limac> no clue about java or maven
[14:18] <Adri2000> limac: hi, join #ubuntu-motu and read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Contributing
[14:19] <swien> The problem is that maven is quite new in the repo and nobody seems to have a clue how to use it... It automatically fetches dependencies from its own repository.
[14:20] <limac> thnx
[14:21] <persia> swien: The Ubuntu build system doesn't allow network access during build.  You'll need to help maven a bit to get it to work.
[14:23] <swien> persia: exactly. By helping maven you mean patch maven?
[14:23] <persia> swien: Or just make sure that maven finds everything locally from the build-depends.
[14:24] <swien> persia: do you know a package that already does this?
[14:24] <persia> swien: Nope.
[14:28] <swien> persia: Thanks for your help so far.
[14:50] <bigon> could someone schedule a new build try for sylpheed?
[14:52] <geser> bigon: does it build now?
[14:52] <bigon> I've tested in a pbuilder and it builds fine
[14:53] <geser> Hobbsee: ^^^ a give-back of sylpheed please :)
[14:53] <Hobbsee> enobuilddpy.
[14:55] <geser> what happened to it?
[14:55] <Hobbsee> doesn't work on windows...
[14:58] <geser> ah
[14:58] <geser> you using Windows?
[15:00] <Hobbsee> unfortunately, yes
[15:01] <geser> bigon: wait till Hobbsee boots Kubuntu again or till monday when the other build-admins are back (like pitti)
[15:01]  * Hobbsee isnt using kubuntu.
[15:01] <bigon> geser: ok thx :)
[15:01]  * Hobbsee uses ubuntu now
[15:11] <jdstrand> keescook: I updated ubuntu-cve-tracker to be more flexible with embargoed filenames.  They should now be ^EMB-[\w-]*$
[15:11] <jdstrand> keescook: so 'EMB-CVE-2007-1234' and 'EMB-foo' are both valid
[15:11] <ubotu> Multiple cross-site scripting (XSS) vulnerabilities in sitex allow remote attackers to inject arbitrary web script or HTML via (1) the sxYear parameter to calendar.php, (2) the search parameter to search.php, (3) the linkid parameter to redirect.php, or (4) the page parameter to calendar_events.php. (http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2007-1234)
[17:55] <bigon> ubuntu changes in lintian seems to have been merged in the debian package, great :)
[17:55] <bigon> could someone have a look at it and sync if it's ok?
[19:16] <blueyed> Is http://ddebs.ubuntu.com/ not being updated since end of november?
[22:51] <oliver_g_> hi
[22:52] <oliver_g_> I have a PDF file that crashes Evince, but somehow apport is not triggered
[22:52] <oliver_g_> any idea why that happens?
[22:52] <oliver_g_> if I run evince with that file in terminal, it prints "Segmentation fault (core dumped)" so I assume apport should indeed come up...
[22:53] <pochu> Is a crash file in /var/crash/ ?
[22:53] <pochu> +there
[22:53] <oliver_g_> pochu: yes!
[22:54] <oliver_g_> pochu: three actually: from evince, file-roller, and hwdb-gui
[22:55] <pochu> oliver_g_: open the folder within nautilus and double click it.
[22:55] <pochu> Apport should open it then
[23:03] <oliver_g_> pochu: thanks, that worked nicely!
[23:04] <pochu> yw
[23:19] <oliver_g_> I have reproduced the crash several times, with different terminal output... Should I submit the new apport crash data as well, and can I attach it to my original bug report?
[23:29] <geser> oliver_g_: can you also attach the PDF if possible? so others can use it for testing
[23:43] <oliver_g_> geser: I suppose not
[23:44] <oliver_g_> it's the user manual for a laptop, and it states clearly that transmission over internet is not allowed without consent of the author
[23:45] <Fujitsu> oliver_g_: Is said manual not available for download from the manufacturer's website?
[23:46] <oliver_g_> Fujitsu: good idea - I'll have a look :-)
[23:46] <oliver_g_> it's named SPR6L45GR0.pdf btw