[00:00] <pschulz01> DarkMageZ: .. but don't let that distract you.
[00:34]  * dantalizing is away: I'm busy
[00:38]  * dantalizing is back (gone 00:04:12)
[01:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> pschulz01, what sort of ram do the perf nodes/test boxes use - ddr or ddr2? i was looking at http://www.educypedia.be/computer/memorycomparison.htm and it made me wonder
[01:01] <pschulz01> ddr2 (I think)
[01:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> ok.
[01:03]  * Kamping_Kaiser goes to ask kim stuff
[01:53] <nathan> in order to install ubuntu via pxe booting, do I need to use the alternative disk?
[01:53] <nathan> it's not working with ubuntu desktop iso
[01:53] <nathan> and it does work with ubuntu server iso
[02:16] <Kamping_Kaiser> i think you need to create a custom image
[02:49] <Bawbatos> dumb question - how do i find out if hardware is supported in the 2.6 kernel. every i find is from 1999-2003 for this card
[02:59] <oldmanstan> nathan: yeah, you can't use the live cd
[02:59] <oldmanstan> they tell you that somewhere in the wiki iirc
[03:02] <nealmcb> Bawbatos: what card are you talking about?  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingHardwareDetection
[03:03] <Bawbatos> that is the thing. it is token ring...
[03:04] <Bawbatos> and i am trying to see where that is at. the linux tr project last update was in 2003
[03:04] <Bawbatos> so 2.3 kernel
[03:04] <Bawbatos> http://www.linuxtr.net/index.html
[03:05] <NineTeen67Comet> Hi all .. I had a hard drive eat it, and eventually with the use of dd_rescue obtained a partial .img file from it .. My question is now .. Is there something out there that can crack open this unfinished .img file so I can get at least some of the stuff out of it? (I googled how to open an img file and it was just picture stuff).
[03:05] <Bawbatos> i mean i still see freaking decnet modules there..
[03:07] <nealmcb> Bawbatos: I see them talking about token ring last year, so no reason to suppose that they've removed support.... http://lwn.net/Articles/213657/
[03:08] <nealmcb> linux supports more hardware "out-of-the-box" than ANY other OS....
[03:09] <Bawbatos> that link does not say it has been removed
[03:09] <nealmcb> NineTeen67Comet: I'd guess you'd want to make a copy and loop-mount it
[03:09] <nealmcb> Bawbatos: right
[03:10] <NineTeen67Comet> nealmcb: Is that like .. mount -o loop /directory/with/backup.img .. ?
[03:10] <Bawbatos> okay. so i found a driver for it.
[03:10] <Bawbatos>  /lib/modules/2.6.22-14-server/kernel/drivers/net/tokenring$
[03:10] <Bawbatos> and modprobed it.
[03:11] <Bawbatos> but do not see it coming up
[03:12] <nealmcb> NineTeen67Comet: yeah - with a directory name at the end to mount on, and perhaps a -t option to specify the type
[03:12] <NineTeen67Comet> nealmcb: Okay .. I'm in Google now to get the syntax right .. thanks for the direction hopefully it'll mount since it isn't a finished .img file.
[03:13] <nealmcb> NineTeen67Comet: good luck - I know that can be a scary place :-O
[03:13] <Bawbatos> what is the apt package for the kernel source?
[03:14] <NineTeen67Comet> grin .. I'm more afraid of my wife if I can't recover some of the pictures .. hehehehe
[03:14] <nealmcb> "linux-source" is for the latest
[03:14] <nealmcb> or linux-source-2.6.22 for a particular one
[03:15] <NineTeen67Comet> nealmcb: what -t would an .img file be? The hdd it was made from was xfs .. but I told it to get ALL of sdd .. not just sdd1 ..
[03:16] <nealmcb> NineTeen67Comet: then you may need to specify the offset to the particular partition - since that is what you want to mount
[03:16] <NineTeen67Comet> aha .. okay .. I'll peek around for that ..
[03:16] <nealmcb> http://alien.slackbook.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=slackware:qemu#mounting_a_qemu_disk_image_on_the_host
[03:17] <nealmcb> fdisk -l file.img should help - see that post for more
[03:19] <Bawbatos> tr0       Link encap:16/4 Mbps Token Ring (New)  HWaddr 00:01:02:64:31:63
[03:19] <Bawbatos> thanks!
[03:19] <nealmcb> Bawbatos: cool
[03:20] <nealmcb> so it even came up as an inteface :-)
[03:20] <nealmcb> what module?
[03:20] <Bawbatos> no, i had to do ifconfig tr0 up after the modprobe
[03:20] <Bawbatos> 3c359
[03:21] <Bawbatos> i am building a ccie lab and got a bunch of routers that have tr interfaces plus enet for cheap. using the tr with a tr switch as a backend.
[03:21] <Bawbatos> but i needed a box to route to the network
[03:21] <nealmcb> ccie?
[03:21] <Bawbatos> a cisco cert
[03:21] <nealmcb> nice
[03:21] <Bawbatos> http://www.cisco.com/web/learning/le3/ccie/index.html
[03:22] <Bawbatos> i was hoping to do it on my openbsd firewall but they pulled tr support in 4.2
[03:24] <Bawbatos> hum, how do i start it on boot now....there is a file for modprobe on boot .... sorry new to ubuntu. nice clean server install tho. impressed
[03:28] <nealmcb> /etc/network/interfaces
[04:30] <NineTeen67Comet> grumble .. I'm looking for a really inexpensive mobo/cpu combo for my server (Currently a very tired P4 1.3ghz, 256mb ram, 2x320gig hd, 1x40gig hd headless box .. That is stalling about every 5 minutes, then crashes all together every 12-15 hours .. No syslog errors or nothing ..
[05:39] <Babatos> what file do i edit for having a module load at startup that is not autoloading..
[05:40] <Babatos> i have a nic that is not loading.
[05:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> Babatos, /etc/modprobe* are the files
[05:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> find the right one ;)
[05:41] <Babatos> i saw that. however i did not see the right one.
[05:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> Babatos, look at `man modprobe.conf`. not sure if it will help or not
[05:43] <nealmcb> Babatos: /etc/modules
[05:54] <Babatos> ah, cool. i was loking in /etc/modprobe.d
[06:10] <Babatos> crtl-alt-backspace should kill gdm right
[06:15] <lamont> Babatos: actually, it kills X, which is a parent of gdm, and therefore takes out gdm.
[06:15] <Babatos> yah, thats what i mean. cept i have this issue. i killed it - and the screen still has the no signal on it.
[06:15] <Babatos> boots till gdm starts then no pic.
[06:16] <Babatos> ugh.
[06:27] <Babatos> okay i have that fixed, and even have my token ring network up on ipv6
[06:28] <Babatos> is there a good gui for setting up this server as a firewall. i hate iptables and want it to die but i am going to use this in place of my openbsd
[06:28]  * Babatos crying
[06:35] <ScottK> Babatos: If you want GUI help, see #ubuntu.
[06:35] <Babatos> okay thanks.
[06:35] <Babatos> i just cannot take iptable
[06:37] <Kamping_Kaiser> iptables is hurt :(
[06:37] <Kamping_Kaiser> *hugs iptables*
[06:37] <Babatos> pf is just so much better
[06:38] <Babatos> i have 3 freaking firewall certs from vendors and i cannot get my head around iptables
[06:38] <ScottK> Babatos: That may be your problem.  I started with a known working iptables script and adjusted to my taste.  It didn't seem that hard.
[06:39] <Babatos> no, it is way convoluted.
[06:39] <Babatos> vs, pf, ipfw, ipf
[06:39] <ScottK> OK.  It's all I've used.  It didn't seem that bad to me (with a base script to start with).
[06:39] <Babatos> have you ever seen pf
[06:40] <ScottK> Nope.
[06:40] <ScottK> So I've got no basis for comparison.
[06:40] <Babatos> ah, well - pass in inet proto icmp all icmp-type $icmp_types keep state
[06:41] <Babatos> or block drop in quick on $ext_if from <ssh-bruteforce>
[06:41] <Babatos> pass in on $ext_if proto tcp from any to ($ext_if) port ssh \
[06:41] <Babatos>         flags S/SA keep state \
[06:41] <Babatos>         (max-src-conn-rate 3/30, overload <ssh-bruteforce> flush global)
[06:41] <Babatos> and that is the 2 most complex things you will see. and it makes sense out the gate
[06:42] <Babatos> someone told me to look at firestarter so i will do that
[06:43] <ScottK> I've heard good things about it, but never used it.
[06:43] <Babatos> have a look at this - http://internetworkpro.org/pastebin/1470
[06:43] <Babatos> and tell me you cannot figure it out in like 30 secs
[06:47] <ScottK> Babatos: Not at 2AM I can't.  I can see it's generally readable.
[06:47] <Babatos> haahah... okay
[06:47] <Babatos> only 1047 here.
[08:05] <perfector> whats wmvare??
[08:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> vmware? or wmvare?
[08:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> !vmware
[08:20] <ubotu> VMWare Player is in Ubuntu's !Multiverse repository (package "vmware-player"), and http://www.easyvmx.com/easyvmx.shtml can create VMs for it. For VMWare Server, instructions can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VMware - See also !virtualizers
[08:21] <perfector> ok so jeos is a basic distro that includes vmware player?
[08:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> no, its to run inside vmware player
[08:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> !jeos
[08:22] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about jeos - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[08:22] <perfector> aha... thanks.. whats the size of this distro?
[08:23] <perfector> and what packages does it include?
[08:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> ubotu, JEOS is the latest addition to the Ubuntu family. It is designed for running inside VMWare and other virtualisation tools like QEMU.
[08:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> the iso ~150mb
[08:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> and its a bare minimum packages (or should be, its getting thinner for the next release)
[08:23] <perfector> so i guess there is no X..
[08:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> correct
[08:25] <perfector> thanks..
[08:26] <Kamping_Kaiser> np
[08:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> so near, yet so far. *grin*. someone from -ops contacted me, checked i was talking about ubuntu's jeos, then didnt set the bot entry :(
[08:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> !jeos
[08:29] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about jeos - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[08:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> :(
[08:33] <Kamping_Kaiser> pity i dont go there anymore, i'd follow up *heh*
[11:56] <BobSapp> would you guys say that a celeron 300 is underpowered to run a LAMP stack?
[11:56] <BobSapp> right now mine is running one with 96mb ram, every time i make changes on wordpress i can smell a little blue smoke :)
[12:09] <Hardin> BobSapp: Unless you've got a heavy load of visitors I'd say a 300mhz is plenty enough to run a LAMP on. Perhaps you might want to add som extra RAM thought.
[12:19] <BobSapp> yeah it was thrashing on any page actionr
[13:07] <Gargoyle> greetings
[13:53] <BobSapp> hi
[15:45] <disposable> (feisty server) i have two NICs and they keep swapping their ethX number after each reboot. how do i make the X static? i know i am supposed to use some z25 + udev config file, but my /dev/ directory doesn't have anything like that.
[15:47] <disposable> sorry, found it. /etc/udev/rules
[19:16] <fenggg> hi can anybody help me
[19:18] <Luke> I'm getting these emails from cron every day. Can anyone help me pinpoint the problem?: http://pasteosaurus.com/44191
[19:29] <Nafallo> Luke: /etc/cron.daily/find quits with error status 1 instead of 0
[19:41] <Luke> yea but why?
[20:08] <nealmcb> Luke: have you looked at /etc/cron.daily/find  ?  it appears that perhaps you don't have a userid "nobody" if yours is like mine
[20:17] <Luke> nealmcb: i have that user
[20:17]  * nealmcb wonders why that script is checking for nobody anyway....
[20:17] <Luke> also if that was where the exit 1 was coming from, i'd assume it would put the output line in there as well right?
[20:18] <nealmcb> Luke: hmm - can you try running the update command given there?
[20:18] <nealmcb> updatedb*
[20:18] <Luke> yea i'll try that
[20:19] <Luke> how do I check the exit status from bash prompt?
[20:19] <nealmcb> and I agree, it would probably output that error message  - but sometimes cron and stdout are strange
[20:19] <nealmcb> echo $?
[20:19] <nealmcb> that it the exit status from the previous command
[20:19] <Luke> yea that db line is exiting w/ 1
[20:19] <nealmcb> any output?  don't redirect it...
[20:19] <soren> Luke: Did you change /etc/updatedb.conf at all?
[20:20] <Luke> i'll cehck that
[20:20] <Luke> soren: not that I know of
[20:20] <Luke> no i haven't
[20:20] <Luke> "ioprio_set: No such process
[20:20] <Luke> "
[20:20] <Luke> that's the error
[20:21] <nealmcb> maybe from ionice?
[20:21] <Luke> piping the errors to dev null seems like a bad idea =)
[20:21] <Luke> nealmcb: yea totally
[20:21] <Luke> what is that tho?
[20:21] <nealmcb> try leaving just the "ionice -c ${IONICE_CLASS:-2} -p ${IONICE_PRIORITY:-7} " part out and run again
[20:22] <nealmcb> i.e. run updatedb via nice
[20:23] <Luke> permission denied bu tit runs
[20:23] <nealmcb> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/findutils/+bug/152692
[20:23] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 152692 in findutils "updatedb cron job fails" [Low,Triaged]
[20:23] <Luke> hmm
[20:23] <Luke> thanks
[20:23] <soren> Is this on gutsy?
[20:23] <Luke> yea
[20:24] <nealmcb> ohh - ugly - why is it "low" priority?
[20:24] <Luke> prob in case the server is doing anything else
[20:24] <Luke> ooh you mean the bug
[20:24] <Luke> haha
[20:24] <nealmcb> no - the bug is "low"
[20:25] <nealmcb> yup - I've got a process number 7 also....
[20:25] <Luke> runs fine w/ the given patch
[20:26] <Luke> looks like they just fudged the flags
[20:26] <nealmcb> you changed your cron script?  good
[20:26] <Luke> yea
[20:27] <soren> I'll fix it in hardy.
[20:27] <nealmcb> if 30% of machines out there aren't getting updated slocate stuff, that seems like a problem
[20:27] <nealmcb> soren: :-)
[20:27] <Luke> ha totally
[20:27] <Luke> thanks for helping me find this guys
[20:27] <nealmcb> Luke: thanks for pointing it out - I've just been lucky
[20:27] <Luke> I was assuming I changed a config somehwere and didn't know it
[20:27] <Luke> that's why I didn't look for bugs
[20:27] <Luke> reports*
[20:28] <nealmcb> 7: ksoftirqd/1
[20:29] <nealmcb> but I guess if it was more common, there would be more activity and dups... at least it sends mail.  though many people don't check their local root mail....
[20:30] <Luke> yea my root mail gets delivered to my user for some reason
[20:30] <Luke> that's weird actually... is that supposed to happen?
[20:30] <soren> Oh, I think it might already be fixed in hardy.
[20:31] <Luke> well I've got too many channels open so I'm gunna close this. Thanks again for your help guys
[20:37] <soren> Yes, definitely already fixed in hardy.
[20:37] <Burgundavia> hey soren
[20:37] <soren> Hey, Corey.
[20:38] <nealmcb> howdy, Burgundavia
[20:38]  * soren is knackered
[20:38] <soren> I'll call it a night.
[20:38] <soren> See you, guys!
[20:38]  * nealmcb remembers that Corey is the first uds-boston person he met - on the subway going there :-)
[20:41] <Burgundavia> nealmcb: was boston your first summit?
[20:41] <nealmcb> yeah
[20:41] <nealmcb> though I called in to mountview and seville
[20:41] <Burgundavia> wow
[20:41] <nealmcb> (a bit)