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[06:57] <quik_> hey folks
[07:01] <Peng> What folks?
[07:02] <thumper> Peng: not us
[07:05]  * Peng goes to watch Walker, Texas Ranger.
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[13:27] <Zindar> morning
[13:30] <Peng> Good morning.
[13:30] <Peng> Netsplitty morning.
[13:32] <Zindar> oh...
[13:32] <Zindar> szilveszter here?
[13:33] <dato> Zindar: doesn't seem so. (he's Phanatic on irc.)
[13:33] <Zindar> ok.. well... he's awake at least :)
[16:26] <Peng> Hey, cool. Ubuntu ShipIt thinks I've contributed to the Ubuntu community, so it gives me "expanded options".
[16:31] <Peng> s/community/project/
[18:38] <phanatic> hello, why is pycurl needed (or at least recommended) by bazaar? does it provide better performance?
[18:39] <dato> phanatic: I asked the same the other day, to see if I could lower the dependency level on the debian packages, and vila told me the only reason a user would want pycurl (that is, the only thing pycurl can do that the default implementation can't) is verification of SSL certificates
[18:40] <Peng> What the hell? That stuck 'bzr push' has been running at 100% of a CPU core for hours.
[18:40] <Peng> What's the key combo to drop into a debugger or do something useful?
[18:41] <phanatic> dato: that means it could be ignored by a packager? (i have a small issue on osx, since pycurl needs libcurl 7.16.4, but leopard ships only 7.16.3)
[18:41] <dato> Ctrl+\, I think
[18:41] <dato> phanatic: I'd say so, yes.
[18:41] <phanatic> dato: that's good news, thanks :)
[18:50] <Peng> (and verification of SSL certs will be added in Python 2.6)
[19:15] <Peng> Traceback after Ctrl+Cing it, FWIW: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/14721/
[19:18] <Peng> .bzr.log: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/14722/
[20:59] <sistpoty> hi folks
[20:59] <sistpoty> stupid question: is there s.th. like cvs's $Id$ for bzr?
[21:02] <zerok> hi :)
[21:02] <thumper> sistpoty: not that I know of
[21:02] <thumper> sistpoty: why do you want it?
[21:03] <thumper> sistpoty: the general concensus of developers I've talked with is that you shouldn't use expansion like that
[21:03] <thumper> hi zerok
[21:03] <Peng> However, there is a blueprint on it.
[21:04] <sistpoty> thumper: basically to know that vim is in sync with a file... and maybe because I'm used to it *g*
[21:05] <thumper> sistpoty: hmm... emacs will tell me if it is out of sync and ask if I want to reload
[21:05] <thumper> sistpoty: does vim not have that?
[21:06] <Peng> Oh no.
[21:06] <sistpoty> it does... but I'm rather thinking of not having saved the last bit of experimental code when reviewing/committing with bzr diff... I usually want only what's in the diff (and tested) and not what's in the editor then ;)
[21:06] <sistpoty> but I can live w.o. that... I guess the main argument is really that I'm used to it, which is a pretty poor argument *g*
[21:07] <thumper> sistpoty: I'm trying to work out your workflow
[21:07] <thumper> sistpoty: I guess I just save lots
[21:09] <sistpoty> thumper: so do I, but stuff happens sometimes... but it's really a corner case (and didn't bite me yet :)
[21:09] <thumper> sistpoty: yes, stuff definitly happens
[21:10] <sistpoty> ok, gotta go, cya and thanks for the info
[21:10] <thumper> sistpoty: ok, by
[21:10] <thumper> e
[21:13] <zerok> uhmm.... version_info = (0, 1, 0, 'candidate', 2) O_o
[21:13] <zerok> shouldn't it be more something like (1,0,0, ...)?
[21:14] <thumper> zerok: :)
[21:14] <thumper> zerok: I'll make sure the right person gets notified
[21:15] <zerok> thumper, just skimming through the bug reports :) tnx :)
[21:17] <weasel> how do I tell bzr to use a different ca-certificates file (for https), or tell it to accept cert with fingerprint $fpr for a host?
[21:21] <zerok> thumper, should i file a bug report for the 1.0rc2 package?
[21:21] <thumper> zerok: I'm just confirming
[21:21] <zerok> thumper, the version number in the bzr script is set to 0,93,0 whilte the bzrlib is set to 0,10,0,rc2
[21:24] <thumper> zerok: yes you could
[21:25] <thumper> I've just checked the tar ball
[21:25] <zerok> thumper, posted some more readable stuff than my version of the english language here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bzr/+bug/175171
[21:25] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 175171 in bzr "Version difference in 1.0rc2 test package" [Undecided,New]
[21:26] <thumper> zerok: ta
[21:35] <ubotu> New bug: #175171 in bzr "Version difference in 1.0rc2 test package" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175171
[21:38] <Peng> Send a patch to the mailing list. And use 'bzr send' so you get credit! :)
[21:39] <zerok> creditttt!!! <3
[21:39] <zerok> omg
[21:40] <zerok> first i have to find out how i just managed to fubar my python install ...
[21:47] <zerok> pyrex :-(
[22:04] <zerok> Peng, never worked with bzr send before :-) let's see how simple it is to make new enemies ;)
[22:20] <zerok> since i'm probably too stupid to use bzr send with a release-package, i think i will just have to survive without the credit for 2 patched lines ;)
[22:57] <igc> morning all
[23:03] <thumper> morning igc
[23:07] <igc> morning thumper
[23:10] <Peng> Hmm.
[23:10] <Peng> Actually, I'm not sure if the release is in any branch.
[23:10] <zerok> Peng, haven't found a related branch yet. trunk uses 0.93
[23:11] <zerok> anyway, time for some sleep. good night everyone :)
[23:11] <Peng> Yeah, bzr.1.0 hasn't been updated.
[23:19] <poolie> Peng, i just made it offline
[23:20] <poolie> i'll merge to bzr.1.0 now
[23:24] <Peng> poolie: Is fixing the version worth an instant 1.0rc3 or 1.0rc2.1 or something?