[00:53] <CheGuevara> back
[00:54] <mhb> CheGuevara: any luck?
[00:54] <CheGuevara> just got back ima try the gutsy package in a min
[01:01] <CheGuevara> right lets see
[01:01] <CheGuevara> brb
[01:02] <mhb> s
[01:02]  * mhb sleeps
[01:08] <CheGuevara> fontconfig-config
[01:08] <CheGuevara> reverting that to gutsy fixes it
[01:11] <CheGuevara> Riddell, u around
[01:41] <red_team316> how would I extract the string 2 out of Number=2 without using kreadconfig?
[01:52] <nosrednaekim> red_team316: python?
[01:52] <red_team316> yes
[01:52] <nosrednaekim> red_team316: "string.split[:-1]"
[01:53] <nosrednaekim> (if its only a single digit#)
[02:15] <red_team316> thanks for pointing me in the right direction. I think this works better for what I need though
[02:15] <red_team316> blastr = 'Number=2'
[02:15] <red_team316>             print string.strip(blastr, "Number=")
[02:15] <nosrednaekim> yup :D
[02:15] <yuriy> red_team316: i'd do string.split('=')[1]
[02:15] <yuriy> but that works too
[02:16] <red_team316> well all of the stuff I'll be reading wont all be integers
[02:20] <red_team316> hmm it works ok but the output is ['Number', '2'].  Is this creating an array(c terminology)
[02:24] <nosrednaekim> red_team316: "bleh, whatIWant = function"
[02:24] <nosrednaekim> then just use "what I want"
[02:27] <red_team316> ok if I changed the number to 3, how would I write that back to the same file so that the line reads "Number=3" but any other information in the file is still there?
[02:28] <red_team316> my goal is to read/write values to kde rc files without relying on kde(so it will work on a ubuntu/xubuntu/etc)
[02:34] <nosrednaekim> red_team316: go read the python docs on file.seek()
[02:35] <RobertoM_[away]> I usually read the whole file in a variable, split the variable on newlines, modify the single lines and then write back the variable with the modified lines
[02:35] <RobertoM_[away]> ehm
[02:35] <RobertoM_[away]> can I change nick for the last time? XD
[02:40] <red_team316> I'm looking in the python-doc global module index, cant find it :/
[02:45] <nosrednaekim> red_team316: its a built in function....
[02:45] <nosrednaekim> look in the tutorial
[10:57] <fdoving> so.. doesn't the new flashplayer work with konq at all? or is it just me?
[12:05] <buz> in gutsy? works for me
[12:05] <buz> except that nspluginviewer still occasionally eats cpu like nothing
[12:26] <Hobbsee> stdin: ping
[12:26] <stdin> Hobbsee: pong
[12:26] <Hobbsee> stdin: did anyone else review your meta-kde package?
[12:27] <stdin> Hobbsee: Riddell and jpatrick both looked at it
[12:27] <Hobbsee> stdin: right, cool.
[12:27] <Hobbsee> Accepting Results:
[12:27] <Hobbsee> OK: meta-kde4
[12:28] <Hobbsee> stdin: can you remind me to get that sent to universe tomorrow?
[12:28] <stdin> Hobbsee: sure
[12:28] <Hobbsee> thanks
[12:30] <Churli> hi
[13:27] <Tonio_> hi there
[13:27] <nosrednaekim> hey
[13:28] <Tonio_> anyone tested latst kde4 packages ?
[13:28] <nosrednaekim> RC1?
[13:28] <Tonio_> xorg hangs for me when kwin starts, fglrx 8.43 driver
[13:28] <Tonio_> nosrednaekim: yep
[13:28] <mlankhorst> I tried rc1 for an hour, after that I went back to kde3.
[13:29] <Tonio_> seems to work for some people with opensuse, so I was wondering if I missed something in the configuration
[13:29] <mlankhorst> Worked for me with fglrx though, but I'm using radeonhd at the moment.
[13:29] <nosrednaekim> Tonio_: same driver, and it works for me
[13:30] <Tonio_> nosrednaekim: damn.....
[13:30] <Tonio_> maybe something specific to my card btw
[13:30] <nosrednaekim> Tonio_: do you have dbus-x11 installed?
[13:30] <Tonio_> nosrednaekim: anything special in your xorg.conf file ?
[13:30] <Tonio_> nosrednaekim: I do
[13:30] <nosrednaekim> Tonio_: no.... except I got rid of the no-composite section
[13:31] <Tonio_> nosrednaekim: means removed the option "composite" "0" ?
[13:31] <nosrednaekim> yeah
[13:31] <Tonio_> nosrednaekim: what about the DRI section ?
[13:31] <Tonio_> still mode 666 in there ?
[13:31] <nosrednaekim> yeah
[13:32] <Tonio_> is AIGLX activated in ServerLayout ?
[13:32] <Tonio_> ho can be that too, what modules are loaded in the Modules section ?
[13:32] <nosrednaekim> Tonio_: well, AIGLX works, so I would assume so, though I didn't change anything.
[13:33] <Tonio_> I just have glx and extmode in there
[13:33] <nosrednaekim> I don't even have a modules section ;p
[13:33] <Tonio_> ah.....;
[13:34] <Tonio_> let's make another test, I changed a few things
[13:34] <nosrednaekim> basically its just a keyboard, a mouse, a video card, a monitor and a screen sections
[13:35] <mlankhorst> I dropped the monitor section on mine.
[13:35] <mlankhorst> Keyboard, mouse, touchpad, video card, screen, and serverlayout to put it together.
[13:36] <nosrednaekim> oh yeah... I do have a server layout..
[13:36] <nosrednaekim> <_<
[13:36] <Tonio_> nosrednaekim: no still hangs xorg for me
[13:36] <Tonio_> maybe some card specific issue with aigls
[13:36] <Tonio_> nosrednaekim: I have a X1600 chip....
[13:36] <nosrednaekim> I have an Xpress1100
[13:37] <Tonio_> http://paste.tonio.homelinux.org/2565
[13:37] <Tonio_> nosrednaekim: does anything in there seem do be wrong for you ?
[13:37] <mlankhorst> Screen contains 'Virtual 4096x4096' for xrandr 1.2. :-)
[13:38] <Tonio_> ho, just for information, I have no problem without opengl support, kwin then works
[13:39] <Tonio_> mlankhorst: what the problem is with xrandr ?
[13:39] <nosrednaekim> whats the "group 0" doing in DRI?
[13:40] <Tonio_> nosrednaekim: hum I don't know, but btw shouldn't change anything on that point
[13:40] <Tonio_> nosrednaekim: removed, and now testing
[13:40] <mlankhorst> Tonio_: Biggest problem is that kubuntu's xrandr program has a bug that is fixed in git, it made it not work. Took some digging through radeonhd mailing list to figure it out. ;-)
[13:42] <Tonio_> nosrednaekim: bah same problem with me
[13:42] <Tonio_> mlankhorst: you where talking about xrandr, was that about my config file ?
[13:42] <Tonio_> nosrednaekim: I must say I'm a bit lost..... I see no reason it wouldn't work as expected...
[13:42] <Tonio_> nosrednaekim: especialy since I got it to work in the pase on that poinr
[13:42] <Tonio_> point
[13:43] <nosrednaekim> Tonio_: you catching any errors?
 Tonio_: Biggest problem is that kubuntu's xrandr program has a bug that is fixed in git, it made it not work. Took some digging through radeonhd mailing list to figure it out. ;-)
[13:43] <Tonio_> mlankhorst: oki but why would that work or some other people then ?
[13:43] <Tonio_> ;)
[13:44] <Tonio_> mlankhorst: hardy bug ? then I may have to wait for another package then ?
[13:44] <Tonio_> mlankhorst: and if so, how to disable xrandr to perform opengl only effects in kde4 ?
[13:44] <Tonio_> mlankhorst: I think that's possible right ?
[13:45] <Tonio_> mlankhorst, nosrednaekim:
[13:45] <Tonio_> kwin --replace                                                                                                                                                 [0.22 0.46 - 24% 3%]
[13:45] <Tonio_> kwin(28040) KWin::Extensions::init: Extensions: shape: 0x "11"  composite: 0x "4"  render: 0x "a"  fixes: 0x "40"
[13:45] <Tonio_> kwin(28040) KWin::CompositingPrefs::detect: glx version is  1 . 2
[13:45] <Tonio_> here is the kwin-kde4 output
[13:45] <nosrednaekim> Tonio_: does that work?
[13:46] <mlankhorst> Tonio_: xrandr 1.2 isn't available for fglrx anyway.
[13:47] <Tonio_> nosrednaekim: no it doesn't work at all
[13:47] <Tonio_> xorg hangs, mouse works, but keyboard is dead
[13:47] <Tonio_> and cpu is going to 70% for xorg and the other 30% for kwin
[13:47] <Tonio_> all I can do is then killing my kde session
[13:47] <Tonio_> nothing special in the logs
[13:47] <nosrednaekim> Tonio_: winder if there is a way to disable composite for kwin
[13:48] <Tonio_> nosrednaekim: bah I don't want to disable it, I want it to work ;)
[13:48] <Serega> hey
[13:48] <Tonio_> or at least understand what the issue is
[13:48] <Serega> Tonio_: now I'm ready to test the issue with two prompt
[13:49] <Tonio_> Serega: kdesudo ? super :)
[13:49] <Serega> Tonio_: aha :) could you remind me the URL?
[13:49] <nosrednaekim> Tonio_: I hear ya.... the problem is you can't really complain to #kde4-devel cause you are on RC1.
[13:50] <Tonio_> I know :)
[13:50] <Tonio_> nosrednaekim: I'll wait a bit, hopefully that'll be fixed soon
[13:50] <Tonio_> Serega: http://tonio.homelinux.org/tmp
[13:51] <nosrednaekim> RC2 should be coming out soon.
[13:51] <Tonio_> Serega: but wait a second, I have a new package version
[13:51] <Serega> Tonio_: ok, I got 404 on this
[13:51] <Tonio_> Serega: http://tonio.homelinux.org/temp
[13:51] <Tonio_> Serega: grab and test and tell me that works, even if it doesn't ;)
[13:51] <Serega> Tonio_: ok ;)
[13:52] <Serega> Tonio_: should I uninstall anything before?
[13:52] <Tonio_> Serega: no just install the new package
[13:53] <nosrednaekim> Tonio_: BTW, i'm running the RC1 permanantly because kde3 blew up on me...
[13:53] <Tonio_> nosrednaekim: shut up !!!!!!!!
[13:53]  * Tonio_ is jalous
[13:53]  * Tonio_ goes crying in his bed
[13:54] <Tonio_> ;)
[13:54] <nosrednaekim> ha.... well, all I can say is I envy YOU.
[13:54] <Serega> Tonio_: "Error: Dependency is not satisfiable: kdelibs4c2a"
[13:54] <Serega> Tonio_: where to get the one?
[13:54] <nosrednaekim> KDE4 is not the most productive environment
[13:54] <Tonio_> Serega: ah......; I built that one for hardy
[13:54] <Serega> Tonio_: I have KDE4 RC1 installed
[13:54] <Serega> I can test in on livecd
[13:55] <Tonio_> Serega: well I can send you the source package so that you can build it yourself no ?
[13:55] <Serega> Tonio_: yes, of course :)
[13:55] <Serega> just deploy
[13:57] <Tonio_> Serega: same url, you'll got the source package
[13:58] <Serega> Tonio_: orig + diff?
[13:59] <Tonio_> Serega: orig + diff + dsc
[13:59] <Tonio_> then dpkg-source -x *.dsc
[13:59] <Tonio_> then apt-get build-dep kdesudo
[13:59] <Tonio_> and to finish, do in the unpacked sources and type debuild
[14:00] <Serega> Tonio_: thanks, exactly what I was going to ask ;)
[14:00] <Tonio_> and then sudo dpkg -i ../*.deb
[14:00] <Tonio_> and that's it
[14:00] <Serega> hiyaaa, I started to study the packaging!
[14:02] <Tonio_> Serega: well debuild is more or ocal testing than building real packages
[14:02] <Tonio_> Serega: then pdebuild is the key
[14:02] <Tonio_> but for testing debuild is enough imho
[14:22] <Serega> It's a horror... sudo debuild uses system-wide locale ignoring my and root's ~/.profile :-\
[14:22] <jpatrick> personally I wouldn't and dont' use sudo debuild
[14:27] <Serega> jpatrick: I just wonder of locale origin
[14:31] <Serega> fuck... it rages me
[14:46] <Serega> Tonio_: I can't build the package "dpkg-source:unrepresentable changes to source \n debuild: fatal error at line 1247
[14:46] <Serega> Tonio_: am I wrong anywhere?
[14:47] <Tonio_> Serega: you should have a .*.swp vim created file, can you see it ?
[14:47] <Tonio_> find . -name "*swp" -exec rm -rf {} \;
[14:47] <Tonio_> Serega: try that and retry the build
[14:48] <Serega> Tonio_: done, the same
[14:49] <Tonio_> find . -name "*gmo" -exec rm -rf {} \;
[14:49] <Tonio_> those files also can create the problem :)
[14:50] <Tonio_> Serega: looks strange that you have the problem building from the source package
[14:50] <Tonio_> Serega: lemme build you the gutsy package
[14:50] <Tonio_> I may have a gutsy chroot somewhere
[14:50] <nosrednaekim> Tonio_: PPA :D
[14:51] <Serega> Tonio_: I'll try. there was ./po/fr.gmo
[14:51] <Serega> Tonio_: deleted, but the same error
[14:52]  * Serega realy wants to help, not to poke :)
[14:53] <Hobbsee> kdebase-workspace on amd64 died.
[14:53] <Hobbsee> on ppa
[14:58] <buz> any kde4 packages for me to test? (boring sunday ;)
[14:59] <nosrednaekim> buz: only RC1
[15:00] <Tonio_> Serega: no chroot here, wait a second and I'll built it
[15:00] <Tonio_> Serega: then I'll give you gutsy package to test
[15:01] <Serega> Tonio_: thanks, sorry for discomfort
[15:12] <Tonio_> Serega: no pb, package building right now
[15:13] <Serega> :)
[15:38] <Tonio_> Serega: you can get the deb on the same page
[15:43]  * Serega was dinning
[15:52] <Serega> Tonio_: sorry, still 2
[15:53] <Serega> Tonio_: I've even recently performed reboot
[15:54] <Tonio_> Serega: can you please remind me of the bug ?
[15:54] <Serega> Tonio_: recent survey: issue reproduces even when adept is already closed. possibly due to kdesud daemon
[15:54] <Tonio_> Serega: better report the bug on launchpad I'd say, so that I can fix it in the future
[15:55] <Tonio_> Serega: I can't recall what the bug is exactly, can you remind me of it ?
[15:57] <Serega> Tonio_: the promt "Removable media" on media plugging is duplicated (1 runs for my user, another for root) and I actually see 2 prompts
[15:57] <Serega> Tonio_: issue is linked with kdesudo
[15:57] <Tonio_> Serega: ah yes..... I can't reproduce that one....
[15:57] <Tonio_> Serega: please report on launchpad so that we can see if people confirm or not on hardy
[15:58] <Serega> Tonio_: I can test it now on Hardy LiveDC. should I?
[15:58] <Tonio_> please do :)
[16:05] <Serega> Tonio_: all is ok in hardy =)
[16:09] <Serega> where to file bugs for kubuntu? here? https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/+filebug
[16:10] <jpatrick> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+filebug
[16:16] <Tonio_> Serega: I don't kown exactly
[16:16] <Tonio_> Serega: maybe it is just  local problem or something with dbus config or policy.....
[16:16] <Tonio_> Serega: hard to gues what the problem is without :
[16:16] <Tonio_> - confirmation it is for everyone
[16:16] <Tonio_> - detailled infromation concerning the system configuration
[16:17] <Serega> Tonio_: do not understand 2 last messages? do you want to know my PC configuration?
[16:17] <Serega> *first question mark is unneeded
[16:19] <Serega> jpatrick: I found some bugs in kubuntu hardy alpha 1, should it be also filed there?
[16:20] <Tonio_> Serega: I have to go, but yeah send that to me by email : tonio@ubuntu.com
[16:20] <Serega> Tonio_: do you worry bug is just hidden in hardy?
[16:20] <Serega> Tonio_: ok, good luck!
[16:20] <jpatrick> Serega: yes, and probably https://wiki.kubuntu.org/HardyHeron/Alpha1/Kubuntu/Feedback too
[16:21] <Serega> jpatrick: oh, nice, it is more specific :)
[17:03] <TopAgent> Hello all...  I hate to bother anyone but I am new and frustrated with Kubuntu and the flashplayer and sound... Is there any one that can help me..
[17:04] <TopAgent> I have been to flashplayer and downloaded there tar.gz file and followed all the directions and i see colored jigsaw puzzle pieces where there should be a video on discovery.com   can someone help me?
[17:05] <jpatrick> TopAgent: can you not just install flashplayer-nonfree?
[17:06] <TopAgent> i guess I could try but I spent so much time on this already I'd like to know if it is the player or the sys?
[17:07] <jpatrick> TopAgent: wait it's call flashplugin-nonfree, it's from Adobe, should be everything you need
[17:07] <jpatrick> TopAgent: you may also want to install kubuntu-restricted-extras from multiverse
[17:08] <TopAgent> THATS what I need help with//////
[17:08] <TopAgent> can u walk me through it
[17:09] <TopAgent> how do I add them to the update manager
[17:09] <jpatrick> TopAgent: do "kdesudo kate" and uncomment (remove) the "#" in front of the "deb" on the line with "multiverse" in /etc/apt/sources.list
[17:10] <TopAgent> I think thats what I need to do because my desktop works fine but I installed fresh ubuntu on laptop yesterday and it doesnt work
[17:12] <jpatrick> TopAgent: you may also want to see: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingSoftware
[17:13] <TopAgent> i'm not sure what to do...   I opened a term. and signed in as root...   kdesudo kate and gotkdesudo kate
[17:13] <jpatrick> there is no need to login as root
[17:13] <jpatrick> that's the point of kdesudo
[17:14] <TopAgent> ok   untitles kate came up and there isnt anything in the window
[17:15] <jpatrick> TopAgent: hmm, if you want GUI look at: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[17:57] <TopAgent> ok  I have installed all the repositories that I can and now I have updated the system so it says upto date/
[17:57] <TopAgent> i still need to know what i am missing... still the same when I go to discovery.com
[17:59] <jpatrick> !flash | TopAgent
[17:59] <ubotu> TopAgent: To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash - Flash 9 is now available in dapper-backports and edgy-backports - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[18:00] <nosrednaekim> !support
[18:00] <ubotu> the official ubuntu support channel is #ubuntu. Also see http://ubuntu.com/support and http://ubuntuforums.org
[18:09] <xRaich[o]2x> hi i get kopete: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/kde4/lib/libkopete.so.4: undefined symbol: _ZN3KIO3Job9addSubjobEPS0_b when starting kopete-kde4 under hardy. is this a known problem?
[18:33] <Serega> where can I find the HotkeyResearch guys?
[18:33] <Serega> my laptop has special keys still not working :(
[18:33] <Serega> I ready to collect required info, but dunno where to send it
[18:35] <fdoving> our guy is lure. https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuLaptopKeycodes
[18:50] <mhb> get ready to hate me in 5..4..3..2..
[18:53] <nixternal> hehe
[18:53] <nixternal> NOTICE: 'sun-java6' packaging is maintained in the 'Svn' version control system at:
[18:53] <nixternal> https://jdk-distros.dev.java.net/svn/jdk-distros/trunk/linux/ubuntu/sun-java5
[18:54] <nixternal> interesting....sun-java6 is maintained in a directory called sun-java5
[18:54] <nixternal> that doesn't look right at all :)
[18:56] <crimsun> perhaps not very clean.  Are scripts used to facilitate separation?
[18:58] <nixternal> it is loaded with stuff
[19:03] <crimsun> sounds like you have a job ;p
[19:06] <mhb> woohoo, you hate me now!
[19:06] <mhb> (see planet for reason while you go get the gun)
[19:16] <mhb> strange, no death threats yet
[19:16] <mhb> so what's up?
[19:16] <fdoving> you're right, of course.
[19:30] <Serega_> mhb: what happened? :) why should I hate you? O.o
[19:32] <mhb> Serega_: I wrote a critical blog post at planet.ubuntu.com, that's all.
[19:33] <Serega_> he-he)
[19:33]  * Serega_ remembers Jucato
[19:34] <Serega_> gg, simpson-like avo
[19:37] <Serega_> mhb: +1
[19:37] <Serega_> :(
[19:38] <Serega_> so many things should be done _BEFORE_ "kaffeine codecs autoinstallation" :-/
[19:39] <mhb> Serega_: yeah, we have to stand on the shoulders of fat, smelly giants
[19:40] <mhb> :o)
[19:42] <mhb> Serega_: oh, by the way, if you have a registered nickname and your connection fails so that the original nick is still on freenode, you can use /msg nickserv ghost Serega yourpassword and it will kick it.
[19:42] <Serega_> mhb: Martin, I'm not a fan of dwm or wmiim I just want more stability for _existing_ code before new feature implementation. Bugs are summarizing like a snowball
[19:42] <Serega_> mhb: oh, RLY?
[19:43] <Serega> here I am
[19:43] <Serega> :)
[19:46] <mhb> Serega: I understand, I just think sometimes, in order to produce better software, we have to stop and think "Is this feature so important that we can rationalize the slowdown of the app?"
[19:46] <mhb> Serega: of course, kaffeine codecs autoinstallation is one of the things that is definitely practical and won't slow Kaffeine much after first run, I expect
[19:47] <Serega> mhb: there is so many features much more importrant than stupid codecs...
[19:47] <Serega> mhb: please wait 2 minutes I go to my laptop
[19:47] <Serega> brb
[19:54] <Serega> mhb: on the other side, such approach is the main difference of ubuntu from debian. To be more innovative
[19:57] <mhb> Serega: innovation comes often at a price - if you innovate too much, your software gets bloated.
[19:59] <Serega> mhb: true. I think every community developer finds his own trade-off between innovacy and stability/code beauty/size
[20:01] <mhb> I'm not entirely happy with the upcoming KDE4 release - for me, I see new ways to write apps, but hundreds of unfinished things, like the Kickoff menu, or even the widget style is incomplete and not planned to be polished
[20:02] <mhb> furthermore I am pretty sure it is going to eat more memory and CPU cycles while offering flexibility which is worthless when I just want my web browser to work.
[20:08] <Serega> partially agree
[20:09] <uga> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-7fdt7kMqc&feature=bz303 =)
[20:09] <uga> just don't ignore WHAT he's downloading... =)
[20:11] <Serega> uga: his peer was in the same LAN =)
[20:11] <Serega> cheat
[20:11] <uga> it sounds like so, hehe
[21:48] <renewip> anyone knows anything about "Kubuntu tutorials day"?
[21:51] <stdin> depends what you want to know
[22:34] <LaserJock> what is the preferred method for installing KDE4 on gutsy? PPA or -backports?
[22:36] <Riddell> LaserJock: they should both be the same
[22:37] <Riddell> we only use PPA because backports is too slow
[22:37] <Riddell> to compile
[22:37] <LaserJock> ok, I was wondering if PPA was depracted
[22:47] <stdin> Riddell: oh, I wanted to let you know, kdebase-runtime-bin-kde4 still wants to overwrite files in kdebase-bin
[23:27] <blizzzek> gn8
[23:50] <CheGuevara> ping Riddell