[01:26] <infinitycircuit> is anyone else having trouble with the recent slocate upload
[01:26] <infinitycircuit> it refuses to install because it says there are diversion errors
[01:27] <h3sp4wn> infinitycircuit: I have never had it working properly with gutsy at all
[01:27] <h3sp4wn> So I have been using just the normal locate
[01:28] <infinitycircuit> h3sp4wn, yeah i will probably just put it on hold and forget about it
[01:35] <h3sp4wn> infinitycircuit: Is it a recent upgrade ?
[01:37] <infinitycircuit> h3sp4wn, i don't know; it was part of an upgrade from a fresh install of xubuntu off alpha 1
[01:37] <infinitycircuit> h3sp4wn, i have no problems with it in my desktop which has been running hardy since the repos came out
[01:37] <infinitycircuit> h3sp4wn, i will try to fix the diversion error by manually renaming the files
[01:38] <h3sp4wn> infinitycircuit: That is interesting - Its always been broken with my laptop (upgraded maybe 2/3 weeks ago)
[01:56] <infinitycircuit> h3sp4wn, i ended up fixing it by just manually uninstalling and reinstalling slocate
[01:56] <infinitycircuit> it took xubuntu-desktop with it but when i reinstalled ubuntu-desktop i pulled in the restricted drivers manager as a bonus
[01:56] <infinitycircuit> so no real complaints there
[02:03] <choudesh> anyone around?
[02:04] <infinitycircuit> to an extent
[02:04] <infinitycircuit> distracted by fixing problems in hardy
[02:05] <choudesh> ah
[02:05] <choudesh> I can't get the icedtea-java7-plugin to work
[02:06] <choudesh> not sure if it is even worth to report a bug yet or not
[05:00] <nenolod> "can has ubuntu 8.04 release?" </troll>
[05:01] <nenolod> out of curiosity, has anyone encountered any problems with pinning packages from hardy yet?
[05:01] <Hobbsee> ...no?
[05:02] <nenolod> great. :D
[05:02] <nenolod> i was going to play with pulseaudio a little, as to see what modifications to the audacious package will be needed to automatically support pulseaudio in the most optimal way
[05:05] <DarkMageZ> what hardy alpha/beta release are we up 2
[05:05] <crimsun> the PA interaction remains "to be decided"
[05:06] <crimsun> [with -desktop as a whole, that is]
[05:07] <crimsun> there's at least one issue that needs to be resolved with the default config [whether to use hw:X or default]
[05:08] <nenolod> crimsun, well i don't even know what the state of pulseaudio is in audacious yet.
[05:09] <nenolod> some people have a goal of having audacious in main instead of universe eventually too, so...
[05:31] <nenolod> hmm. i'm too lazy to work out what all needs to be pinned. /me runs "sudo do-release-upgrade --devel-release" instead
[05:33] <nenolod> . o O (after all, my /home directories are on another drive. i can just reinstall if it breaks.)
[05:37] <choudesh> anyone having issues with java on hardy?
[05:37] <choudesh> seems the icedtea-java7-plugin isn't working for me
[05:42] <cafuego> It doesn't work for me on gutsy either.
[05:47] <choudesh> cafuego: argh
[06:01] <cafuego> and the hardy source won't build on gutsy
[06:05] <choudesh> yea - and the gijplugin one is slow
[06:06] <choudesh> err, gcj
[06:14] <cdm10> Has anyone here noticed any problems with non-QWERTY keyboard layouts?
[06:22] <crimsun> dvorak works fine here, cdm10.
[06:23] <cdm10> crimsun: ughh, strange
[06:23] <cdm10> crimsun: i'm running it in a vm, which doesn't have anything to do with it, 'cause dvorak works fine in everything else
[06:24] <cdm10> and by everything else I mean Gutsy in the VM
[06:24] <cdm10> crimsun: I set Dvorak in the install, but the login screen and desktop uses QWERTY.
[06:24] <cdm10> And switching to Dvorak only works for a little while, and seems to revert when i reboot
[06:41] <cdm10> Is anyone here running Hardy in a VirtualBox VM?
[06:42] <bazhang> running hardy, but not in a vm
[06:42] <cdm10> ok, well, mine is vm-specific
[06:42] <bazhang> oops sorry
[06:53] <nenolod> slocate fails on dist-upgrade. has anyone filed a bug about that yet?
[07:01] <nenolod> ah. two people :D
[09:19] <gary4gar> hello, the google search box in firefox has stopped working after i upgraded to hardy from gutsy
[09:21] <Toma-> ...you mean from gutsy to hardy?
[09:21] <Toma-> ahh nm
[09:21]  * Toma- is suffering sunday afternoon stupidity :D
[09:22] <Toma-> have you mv'ed the .firefox folder?
[09:22] <gary4gar> Toma-, lol yes from gutsy from hardy
[09:22] <gary4gar> nopes
[09:22] <Toma-> give that a bash
[09:23] <Toma-> only move it. it contains all your bookmarks and such
[09:23] <gary4gar> should i delete ~.firefox folder ?
[09:23] <gary4gar> okay
[10:15] <gary4gar> Toma-, thanks the problem was solved :)
[10:24] <gary4gar> whats the advantage of pulseaudio over ALSA, i am using it since last two day but i didn't see any difference :|
[10:25] <Toma-> thats good
[10:28] <gary4gar> Toma-, whats good. solving my firefox problem or but able to see the difference between pulse & alsa :p
[10:28] <Toma-> both :)
[10:29] <Toma-> i dont know the difference, but ive been quite concerned about pulseaudio and how it plays with alot of audio apps
[10:30] <gary4gar> Toma-, tell me more about your exp about pulse
[10:30] <Toma-> none
[10:30] <Toma-> never used it
[10:30] <Toma-> but i know things like to do deadly battle for use of /dev/dsp and adding more layers can suck
[10:40] <Tomcat_> gary4gar: pulse is a layer on top of most audio systems, incl. ESD/arts/alsa/oss etc.
[10:41] <gary4gar> Toma-, so thats the advantage of pulse at a end user & devs ?
[10:41] <Toma-> no idea to be honest.
[10:42] <gary4gar> Tomcat_, what your take on this?
[10:44] <Tomcat_> gary4gar: People should be able to use almost all audio systems at once (no app is able to take 100% control of sound devices), complete & easy-to-use network transparency, per-app volume control, compiz-like effects for audio (background apps having lower volume than foreground apps), etc. Haven't tried it, but the promises are great.
[10:44] <gary4gar> hmmm.....
[10:44] <Toma-> that would be infuriating for a media player that you hit play and dont ever think of :|
[10:44] <gary4gar> interesting thing compiz-like effects
[10:45] <BaD-Laptop> yeah, i was reading somewhere that it was possible to have a program that would load balance or something between alsa, oss, arts, pulse, etc. i'll see if i can find it again. it sounded interesting.
[10:46] <Tomcat_> BaD-Laptop: That *should* be pulse.
[10:46] <Tomcat_> See these slides... it says everything (even the bloody details): http://0pointer.de/public/pulseaudio-presentation-lca2007.pdf
[10:47] <gary4gar> Tomcat_, is pulse available on alpha 1 by default?
[10:47] <BaD-Laptop> i just remember reading about it on somebody's blog. i just don't remember which of my 9 computers i bookmarked it on.
[10:47] <Tomcat_> gary4gar: It's planned to be in hardy by default (it is in current FC), no idea on current version...
[10:47] <gary4gar> BaD-Laptop, lol 9 pc haha
[10:47] <Tomcat_> BaD-Laptop: Centralized bookmarks with WebDAV or something? ;D
[10:48] <BaD-Laptop> that's just boxes. i have 4 laptops with 2 more on the way from work. :) i love my job.
[10:49] <BaD-Laptop> i'm just going to write a php/sqlite script that will interface with firefox's sidebar. all will be good after that.
[10:49] <BaD-Laptop> i just need motivation to do it though.
[10:49] <gary4gar> Tomcat_, i am running alpha 1 and i see pulse there by default, but strangely i didn't see any difference, do i need to do some more config stuff?
[10:50] <gary4gar> i wanted to see this thing you talked about "(background apps having lower volume than foreground apps"
[10:50] <gary4gar> sound interested to me :)
[10:50] <Tomcat_> gary4gar: Well, there shouldn't be much difference... at one point, the volume mixer will be a different app, but pulse integrates quite nicely.
[10:50] <Tomcat_> gary4gar: Unfortunately, that's not even mentioned in the slides, and it's not available in the current versions... it's future work ("compiz for audio")
[10:50] <gary4gar> oh i see
[10:50] <Tomcat_> gary4gar: Also stuff like "windows on the left side of the screen are on the left speakers" etc. ;) (which might be nice but annoying)
[10:51] <Tomcat_> gary4gar: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Interviews/LennartPoettering
[10:51] <Tomcat_> "Spatial event sounds: click on a button on the left side of your screen, and the event sound comes out of your left speaker. Click on one on the right side of your screen, and the event sound comes of of the right speaker. It's earcandy, but I think this could actually be quite useful, but only if we get better quality event sounds, than we have right now."
[10:51] <Tomcat_> "If you run two Totems side-by-side, the one that is active should have 100% volume, the other one 20%. And if you change focus with your window manager, the two volumes should slide to the inverse. I think this would be very, very useful. Especially for things like Flash: if a flash video is running in your web browser, the system should automatically slide down the volume of everything else and slide it up again when the Flash clip finish
[10:51] <Tomcat_> ed to play."
[10:51] <Tomcat_> "For playback streams where we know the average volume a priori (e.g. event sounds) it might make sense to scale the volume in relation to the average volume of what else is being played. The idea is that right now it is sometimes very annoying if an event sound like "You got an IM" interrupts your move playback with a volume that is a lot louder than the audio track of the movie."
[10:51] <Tomcat_> That's about it.
[10:51]  * Tomcat_ stops spamming
[10:51] <gary4gar> Tomcat_, thanks a ton :D
[10:51] <gary4gar> really it was helpfull
[10:52] <Tomcat_> I really doubt this will be in 8.04. Maybe 8.10 :)
[10:52] <gary4gar> though i have lot of questions to ask but first i will read some more info on it and specially the link given by you :)
[10:52] <Tomcat_> Well I don't know much more than the slides and the interview.
[10:52] <Tomcat_> Haven't even tried it. ;)
[10:53] <Tomcat_> But I'll pop in alpha 1 and see if it's working...
[10:53] <gary4gar> so when compiz-audio comming,
[10:53] <gary4gar> it is in CVS now?
[10:53] <Hobbsee> "when it's done"
[10:54] <gary4gar> Hobbsee, hello, smart reply as always :p
[10:54] <Hobbsee> :P
[10:55] <gary4gar> Hobbsee, still thats the time interval, 1 day 1 week,1 month, 1 year, 1 decade,1 lifetime or 1 century :D
[10:55] <Tomcat_> gary4gar: I'd say 1 year, just from experience with beryl/compiz.
[10:55] <Hobbsee> Tomcat_: how do you get that?
[10:56] <Tomcat_> Hobbsee: Just a wild guess. :-)
[11:03] <dr_evil> A click noise sound everytime I click? You must be insane
[11:04] <Tomcat_> dr_evil: It's an example, no suggestion of what distributions should do. :o
[14:22] <cs02rm0> what's the tidiest way of installing the hardy kernel on a gutsy install?
[14:24] <Tomcat_> cs02rm0: I'd guess change the repo, install the kernel package + deps, change the repo.
[14:24] <Tomcat_> cs02rm0: Then, of course, pray that it works. ;)
[14:24] <cs02rm0> Tomcat_: ok, thanks. do you know offhand which repo it's in? main/multiverse/etc
[14:25] <cs02rm0> heh. no disaster if it doesn't.
[14:25] <Tomcat_> cs02rm0: lol... you'd kinda expect a kernel to be important enough to be in main, right? ;P
[14:25] <cs02rm0> hopefully
[14:25] <cs02rm0> i'll give that a go, cheers.
[14:53] <h3sp4wn> as flight is to drake - what is to heron ?
[14:54] <Hobbsee> an alpha.
[15:03] <h3sp4wn> It should be a siege i.e siege 1
[22:21] <hit> hi, can anyone tell me how to change input language in terminal or smth? i can't login to ubuntu because i'm getting strange characters in login box while typing
[22:21] <hit> everything's fine in terminal
[22:22] <hit> tryed dpkg reconf and everything but nothing
[22:24] <crimsun> `sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales`?
[22:24] <hit> nothing
[22:25] <hit> everything else's just fine
[22:25] <hit> text in login screen etc
[22:40] <hit> can't even google for it
[22:41] <hit> don't know what to search
[22:41] <DanaG> Oh, it may be a keyboard layout issue.
[22:41] <DanaG> there's console-setup for console.
[22:43] <hit> haven't tryed this
[22:43] <hit> should i?
[22:43] <hit> anytihng else i could try if this isn't working?
[22:47] <hit> anyway i'll give a try..
[22:56] <hit> setupcon didn't help
[22:58] <DanaG> dpkg-reconfigure console-setup
[22:58] <DanaG> but it may be an xorg issue, instead.
[22:58] <DanaG> Go to a console, login as yourself, and then xinit.  Then in the console that opens, start xev.
[22:59] <hit> and what supposed this to do?
[23:02] <hit> nvm, i'll see.. :p
[23:02] <IdleOne> !info easycrypt
[23:02] <ubotu> easycrypt: simple GUI for managing TrueCrypt crypts. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.2.1.16-0ubuntu1 (hardy), package size 322 kB, installed size 560 kB
[23:27] <hit> nothing...
[23:32] <WorkingOnWise> I adjusted my pwr management settings to susspend after 20 minutes of inactivity. I started an install of some tings with Synaptics Package Manager and then  left for 40 minutes. The update should take about 30 minutes or so, including dl time. I came back and my computer has suspended. I resumed it and it was finishing the install I had started. It was clearly not idle, but yet it still suspended. Why?
[23:34] <cafuego> Did it suspend or did the display just go to sleep?
[23:34] <cafuego> or did the upgrade take 20 minutes and not 30.
[23:34] <WorkingOnWise> It suspended. I had to hit the power button to wake it up. The touchpad wouldnt wake it.
[23:35] <cafuego> it probably finished before you estimated it would then.
[23:35] <hit> DanaG, any more ideas?
[23:36] <cafuego> WorkingOnWise: Oh I see, idle is not "not working" but idle means "no user input"/
[23:36] <DanaG> Hmm, perhaps your keyboard is using the wrong layout.
[23:36] <hit> but it is brilliant in console..
[23:36] <Jordan_U> Is it fairly certain that Hardy will use Pulseaudio by default?
[23:37] <cafuego> WorkingOnWise: Linux is *always* doing stuff in the background, so you can't define idle as "not doing anything".
[23:37] <hit> all those special letters in estonian etc
[23:37] <hit> üõöä
[23:37] <h3sp4wn> cafuego: That trackerd thing could be considered not desirable
[23:37] <cafuego> h3sp4wn: trackerd is shit. yes, get rid of it.
[23:38] <WorkingOnWise> When I came in, the pwr leds were blinking as they should in a suspended mode, and no hdd activity lights. It was clearly suspended. As soon as I hit the pwr button, the display blinked, the fan started, and the hdd activity lights were going, as was the install log from the update that was going. It is now finished, 10 mins after I woke it up
[23:38] <Hydrogen> pretty much all indexing services are horrible
[23:38] <cafuego> At least beagle can *find* stuff it indexes :-)
[23:38] <cafuego> WorkingOnWise: Oh I see, idle is not "not working" but idle means "no user input".
[23:38] <cafuego> WorkingOnWise: So after 20 minutes of no user input, the system suspended (even though it was running applications at the time).
[23:39] <Jordan_U> cafuego, What do you mean? Does tracker not support full regex or does it just sometimes not work?
[23:39] <WorkingOnWise> if linux is always doing things in the background, how do we define idle for the purposes of power management?
[23:39] <WorkingOnWise> cafuego: yes
[23:39] <cafuego> Jordan_U: The last few times I tried it (on Gutsy) it spent a lot of time indexing files, but was never able to return *any* search results.
[23:39] <WorkingOnWise> exactly
[23:39] <cafuego> WorkingOnWise: idle == no user interaction. That's how it is on all OSes.
[23:40] <WorkingOnWise> is No user input the true definition if idle in Linux?
[23:40] <WorkingOnWise> lol
[23:40] <h3sp4wn> You could be doing anything though
[23:40] <h3sp4wn> Only time it makes sense is if its running on batteries
[23:43] <WorkingOnWise> I remember Win2000 not ever suspending if any apps were open....but I guess I assumed there was a "smart monitor" of sorts to tell when a job was running...and wait for it to finish. Guess it makes sense the way things are done, just not what I expected. I imagined a situation like u find with an poen file in OO...the OS tries to end the app, the app stops it and asks for user input about saving the file, and the OS grace
[23:44] <cafuego> Suspend just preserves the box as-is... the whole point is that open apps stay open :-)
[23:45] <h3sp4wn> There is quite a few things that don't like massive changes in time
[23:45] <h3sp4wn> > 1hr ntp stops being happy
[23:46] <WorkingOnWise> so even on batteries, if I intend on burning a dvd and walking away, I need to have it set for more idle time than the burn will need because it will suspend during a burn otherwise and coaster the dvd, right?
[23:46] <WorkingOnWise> h3sp4wn: that is also true...didnt consider that
[23:48] <h3sp4wn> Suspend to ram if it was implemented really well could be good - but suspend to disk is a waste of time
[23:48] <h3sp4wn> but every app would have to be fixed before I would use it
[23:49] <WorkingOnWise> h3sp4wn: I was so giddy when win2k has ssd working...
[23:49] <WorkingOnWise> till i used it
[23:49] <WorkingOnWise> it shaved 10 seconds off boot
[23:49] <WorkingOnWise> i dont like ssd either. but ssr would be nice....
[23:52] <h3sp4wn> Just turn the screen off and park the disk heads would be good enough for me (enough for me to have more than enough battery power anyway)