| oliver_g_ | ok, I found a similar manual (different revision it seems) on the net, and it crashes evince as well; added to LP | 00:09 |
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| oliver_g_ | thanks for your help! | 00:09 |
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| JanC | can somebody explain what's the use case for adding an entry for 127.0.1.1 in /etc/hosts ? | 02:38 |
| LaserJock | some apps use it? | 02:39 |
| JanC | its only purpose I could find seems to be to slow everything down considerably? ;) | 02:39 |
| JanC | what apps use it? | 02:39 |
| LaserJock | I'm not sure, but I've run across a couple | 02:39 |
| JanC | booting goes about 2x faster when I comment it out, and some apps start up 10x faster without it... | 02:40 |
| davef | its a loopback address that points to your own local computer. as mentioned, some apps rely on it. i would not recommend commenting it out | 02:40 |
| JanC | eh, I think that 127.0.0.1 is perfectly fine for that? | 02:41 |
| LaserJock | some apps use 127.0.1.1 for loopback | 02:41 |
| LaserJock | I don't know if those apps could be told to use 127.0.0.1 or if there's a reason to separate them | 02:42 |
| JanC | 127.0.1.1 has "hostname.local" after it, which causes delays because of DNS-SD timouts or something | 02:43 |
| Nafallo | localhost.localdomain | 02:43 |
| Nafallo | shouldn't conflict with hostname.local | 02:43 |
| JanC | no, it has hostname.local after it... | 02:43 |
| Nafallo | mine hasn't | 02:44 |
| JanC | so, that would be an installer bug? | 02:44 |
| Nafallo | 127.0.0.1localhost.localdomainlocalhost | 02:45 |
| JanC | I'm talking about 127.0.1.1 | 02:45 |
| JanC | which is added to /etc/hosts by the installer | 02:45 |
| Nafallo | ah. | 02:45 |
| Nafallo | must have changed that on mine :-P | 02:46 |
| JanC | I could understand if there was a good reason for that, but i couldn't find one | 02:46 |
| LaserJock | mine just has the name of my computer | 02:46 |
| Nafallo | I have no domains ;-) | 02:46 |
| JanC | Nafallo: I commented it out too ;) | 02:46 |
| Nafallo | I don't think I've touched it. | 02:47 |
| JanC | hm, could this be Avahi- or DHCP-related? | 02:49 |
| minghua | In Debian, new installs now have two 127.x.x.x IPs in /etc/hosts. | 02:49 |
| JanC | minghua: yes, that's what I see too | 02:49 |
| minghua | one is 127.0.0.1, mapping to your hostname (and FQDN if you have one). | 02:50 |
| minghua | one is 127.0.1.1, mapping to localhost. | 02:50 |
| Nafallo | ehrm | 02:50 |
| Nafallo | we have the reverse | 02:50 |
| JanC | 127.0.0.1 localhost hostname | 02:50 |
| minghua | It may be the same in Ubuntu. | 02:50 |
| JanC | #127.0.1.1 hostname.local | 02:50 |
| Nafallo | AFAIK | 02:50 |
| JanC | taht's what I have now | 02:50 |
| JanC | the "#" was added by me ;) | 02:50 |
| LaserJock | I have: | 02:51 |
| LaserJock | 127.0.0.1 localhost | 02:51 |
| LaserJock | 127.0.1.1 photon | 02:51 |
| minghua | Nafallo: Maybe it's the reverse, I am not sure on that. | 02:51 |
| Nafallo | minghua: I can't figure a reason we would change it, and for Debian for doing wrong :-) | 02:51 |
| minghua | JanC: Your slow boot/start time problem is apparently your own. I don't think .local is a valid domain name. | 02:52 |
| davef | if you read the info in 'man hosts', it sounds like /etc/hosts is not widely relied on anymore. but is still needed in certain cases | 02:52 |
| JanC | minghua: I didn't put it there ;) | 02:53 |
| minghua | Nafallo: I don't think we changed it either, but I only know the Debian part of the story, and this is an Ubuntu channel, so better be safe. :-) | 02:53 |
| minghua | JanC: Your answer in the installation process put it there, I suppose. | 02:53 |
| Nafallo | minghua: 127.0.0.1 is localhost, has always been etc.. :-) | 02:53 |
| JanC | minghua: Ubutnu doesn't ask such things ;) | 02:53 |
| minghua | I'm not familiar with the ubiquity installer to be sure, though. | 02:53 |
| JanC | and .local is the default extension for DNS-SD (aka Avahi / bonjour /etc.) | 02:54 |
| Nafallo | minghua: in 50 to 70 years we might have only ::1 though ;-) | 02:54 |
| minghua | Nafallo: I'll be dead by then, so I don't care. :-) | 02:54 |
| Nafallo | I won't :-) | 02:54 |
| JanC | Nafallo: only 1 (consumer) ISP in Belgium offers IPv6 tunnels (and they are mostly business oriented anyway), all others think IPv6 is something for the next century or something :-/ | 02:56 |
| Nafallo | JanC: tunnels? what about proper IPv6 then? | 02:57 |
| JanC | one problem is that a lot of ISP-size router equipment doesn't support IPv6 correctly, if I understand correctly | 02:57 |
| Nafallo | also, isn't the educational sector running on IPv6 already? | 02:58 |
| JanC | e.g. Motorola (headend) & Cisco stuff | 02:58 |
| JanC | yeah, Belnet has IPv6 | 02:58 |
| JanC | but consumers can't use that :P | 02:58 |
| Nafallo | that depends on who they know ;-) | 02:58 |
| JanC | Belnet has an IPv6 tunnel "entrance" | 02:59 |
| JanC | that you can use for free AFAIK | 02:59 |
| Nafallo | SixXS? | 02:59 |
| JanC | yeah, I think they work with SixXS | 03:00 |
| Nafallo | my main transit provider is also a SixXS PoP ;-) | 03:01 |
| JanC | http://www.sixxs.net/pops/belnet/ | 03:01 |
| Nafallo | goscomb :-) | 03:01 |
| ion_ | I currently use SixXS, but my ISP is going to offer free native IPv6 soon. \o/ | 03:02 |
| Nafallo | ion_: hehe. I will take a BGP-session with v6 ;-) | 03:02 |
| JanC | I should try to set up an IPv6 tunnel one day, but I think it's quite a lot of work for something that should just work ;) | 03:03 |
| JanC | and I would have to buy a new router too | 03:04 |
| Nafallo | it's not a lot of work. | 03:04 |
| Nafallo | it's dead easy. | 03:04 |
| JanC | last time I checked (some years ago) you had to go through RIPE etc.? | 03:04 |
| Nafallo | the registration process has nothing to do with setting it up, and RIPE isn't the case anymore anyway. | 03:05 |
| JanC | ah? | 03:05 |
| bigon | JanC: I use easynet pop for years and it works great :) | 03:05 |
| JanC | well, registration *has* to do with IMO :P | 03:05 |
| Nafallo | JanC: SixXS has there own registry. | 03:06 |
| JanC | hm, I'll look again then ツ | 03:06 |
| Nafallo | I rather peer and have my own /48 to announce anyway :-) | 03:06 |
| ion_ | tsu | 03:06 |
| JanC | hm, their FAQ still mentions RIPE etc. ? | 03:07 |
| Nafallo | what does it say about it? | 03:07 |
| bigon | JanC: you can use a ripe account | 03:08 |
| bigon | too | 03:08 |
| bigon | but as said they have their own registry | 03:08 |
| JanC | bigon: right, but I don't have one ;) | 03:08 |
| Nafallo | and they sync the ripe into that one ;-) | 03:08 |
| bigon | https://noc.sixxs.net/faq/account/?faq=10steps | 03:08 |
| JanC | the FAQ points to a form on ripe.net | 03:08 |
| bigon | https://noc.sixxs.net/signup/create/ | 03:09 |
| JanC | so it's probably outdated :P | 03:09 |
| bigon | JanC: enter real informations because they verify them | 03:09 |
| JanC | bigon: that's no issue for me | 03:09 |
| JanC | I have real data on my domains to | 03:10 |
| JanC | (DNS.be also checks it now) | 03:10 |
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| Hobbsee | geser: sylpheed given back | 04:29 |
| crimsun | Hobbsee: do you have any insight into the i386 build of Hardy's pulseaudio 0.9.8-1ubuntu2? | 05:04 |
| Hobbsee | crimsun: what about it? | 05:24 |
| Hobbsee | crimsun: i think parts of launchpad are lying to you, it appears to be pending build | 05:25 |
| crimsun | Hobbsee: I can't seem to figure out anything about the i386 build. All the other arches have built and are available in pool. | 05:25 |
| Hobbsee | wait | 05:26 |
| Hobbsee | launchpad is screwing up somewhere | 05:26 |
| Hobbsee | crimsun: "launchpad is on crack' | 05:27 |
| Hobbsee | crimsun: wait till monday, i guess | 05:27 |
| crimsun | Hobbsee: ok, thanks. | 05:27 |
| Hobbsee | crimsun: i can't cancel the build, etc | 05:28 |
| Hobbsee | maybe i can force it though | 05:28 |
| StevenK | "... bang!" Ooops | 05:28 |
| Hobbsee | nah, i can't even force it | 05:29 |
| Hobbsee | LP is reporting conflicting things | 05:29 |
| StevenK | So will require a wizard to make sense of it? | 05:30 |
| Hobbsee | it'll require a cprov to fix it, yes | 05:30 |
| Hobbsee | i'd guessed queue-builder or something has fallen over, partway thru. *shrug* | 05:30 |
| choudesh | Anyone having issues with sun-java6-plugin in hardy? (icedtea-java7-plugin doesn't work either) | 06:34 |
| MuNzE_ | where can I find xorg.conf ...in hardy? | 08:02 |
| MuNzE_ | lol | 08:02 |
| persia | MuNzE_: It's gone. | 08:02 |
| MuNzE_ | i try to find but nothing | 08:03 |
| MuNzE_ | /etc/X11 ...?? | 08:03 |
| bryce | MuNzE_: if you miss it, you can just run sudo dexconf to generate it | 08:06 |
| bryce | MuNzE_: ideally you should no longer need it though | 08:06 |
| MuNzE_ | bryce, i need for compiz | 08:06 |
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| pwnguin | when did xorg.conf die? i missed this | 08:15 |
| MuNzE_ | lol | 08:16 |
| persia | pwnguin: New in hardy. | 08:17 |
| pwnguin | as of? | 08:17 |
| slangasek | as of the first X upload to hardy | 08:18 |
| persia | pwnguin: 1:7.3+4ubuntu1 | 08:19 |
| ion_ | I only have an InputDevice section for my keyboard (so that i can set Xkb* options) and a Device section for my GPU (so that i can use the proprietary :-( nvidia driver). Everything else is handled automatically by xorg. | 08:19 |
| pwnguin | well | 08:22 |
| pwnguin | im sure my tablet still needs a section | 08:22 |
| * Hobbsee waves | 10:28 | |
| mdke | hi Hobbsee | 10:39 |
| Hobbsee | heya mdke! how's it going? | 10:39 |
| mdke | Hobbsee: ok thanks. Busy. What's all this about you using Ubuntu? | 10:39 |
| mdke | the rumours are everywhere | 10:39 |
| Hobbsee | mdke: i'm afraid that the rumours are true. | 10:40 |
| Hobbsee | although compiz and my video card are not in love, for hardy. | 10:40 |
| mdke | extraordinary | 10:40 |
| mdke | permanent move? | 10:40 |
| Hobbsee | so far | 10:40 |
| Hobbsee | mdke: i didn't know it was that slow a news day :P | 10:40 |
| StevenK | Just wait, she'll start bad-mouthing KDE, and then we'll know we have her... | 10:40 |
| mdke | heh | 10:41 |
| mdke | welcome to the light | 10:41 |
| Hobbsee | StevenK: like i'd be stupid enough to comment on things that i don't like about KDE, or kubuntu for that matter, in a public, logged channel :) | 10:41 |
| StevenK | Heh | 10:41 |
| * Hobbsee just wishes hardy would stop freezing, and behave. | 10:42 | |
| mdke | at least you can run a free operating system. I've been stuck on windows for several weeks now | 10:43 |
| Hobbsee | ew | 10:43 |
| mdke | makes it very hard to get anything done | 10:43 |
| Hobbsee | i'll bet. | 10:43 |
| mdke | Hobbsee, slangasek - could you have a look at bug 174886, it's not something ubuntu-doc can take care of, I think | 11:08 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 174886 in ubuntu-docs "Hardy Alpha Release Notes have no links to daily builds" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174886 | 11:08 |
| Hobbsee | mdke: looks like that should be assigned to ubuntu-release | 11:09 |
| Hobbsee | mdke: and slangasek remember to do that each release | 11:09 |
| mdke | ok. is there a project for that? | 11:09 |
| Hobbsee | no | 11:09 |
| Hobbsee | u-r is a team | 11:09 |
| mdke | fine | 11:09 |
| Hobbsee | well, at least, i don't know of one :) | 11:10 |
| mdke | assigned :) | 11:10 |
| Hobbsee | :) | 11:11 |
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| geser | Hobbsee: Hi, can you use build.py right now? | 13:03 |
| Hobbsee | geser: yes | 13:05 |
| geser | Hobbsee: please give-back: libmrss libp11 libpreludedb. Thanks. | 13:06 |
| StevenK | geser: It's buildd.py | 13:08 |
| Hobbsee | geser: all given back | 13:13 |
| LongPointyStick | er, how do i debug why my keyboard and mouse have lockedup? | 13:48 |
| LongPointyStick | as in, i can move the mouse, but it won't click, etc, and nothing on my keyboard appears to work | 13:49 |
| StevenK | If you force a VT switch does the keyboard work? | 13:49 |
| LongPointyStick | hwo do i force a VT switch? | 13:49 |
| StevenK | Run 'sudo chvt 1' in an ssh session | 13:49 |
| LongPointyStick | ahhh | 13:49 |
| LongPointyStick | StevenK: it goes black, and then gets sent back to the X session | 13:50 |
| LongPointyStick | you know, i wonder if this is related to the consolekit bug thing | 13:51 |
| LongPointyStick | sorry, policykit | 13:51 |
| StevenK | I wasn't expecting chvt 1 to send you right back to X | 13:51 |
| LongPointyStick | neither | 13:53 |
| LongPointyStick | but there is a bug about when you're logging in, where it won't let you get to a VT - it goes black, then sends you back to gdm. | 13:53 |
| StevenK | Sounds sinister | 13:53 |
| LongPointyStick | ah, bingo | 13:54 |
| LongPointyStick | after killing consolekit, chvt 1 works fine, and i have keyboard. | 13:54 |
| LongPointyStick | which then locks up again when i go back to X | 13:54 |
| StevenK | So X has gotten into some bad state | 13:55 |
| LongPointyStick | hrm, X will continually lock, even with consolekit killed. | 13:56 |
| LongPointyStick | Amaranth: fix it! :) | 13:56 |
| StevenK | I daresay your video card does hardware pointer which is why the mouse moves -- the graphics hardware is updating the mouse pointer and keeping track of it, but X isn't listening since the keyboard and mouse clicks aren't working | 13:57 |
| Amaranth | Does killing compiz help? | 13:57 |
| Amaranth | Either X has gotten stuck or compiz has | 13:57 |
| StevenK | Right | 13:57 |
| Amaranth | compiz usually gets stuck when a driver does something weird | 13:58 |
| StevenK | Amaranth: Hopefully my stuff about the hardware pointer isn't complete bollocks | 13:58 |
| LongPointyStick | oh yes, i was going to try that | 13:58 |
| Amaranth | StevenK: Sounds right | 13:58 |
| Amaranth | Although when compiz is the problem it's not actually the case, everything is still getting events and such you just can't see it | 13:58 |
| LongPointyStick | Amaranth: then it manages to quit gdm, and drop me back at a console. | 13:58 |
| LongPointyStick | Amaranth: what's weird is that with EXA, my screen is still refreshing. | 13:59 |
| Amaranth | gah i can't wait for gallium | 13:59 |
| LongPointyStick | Amaranth: er, now killing compiz gets me back to a usable X window, yes. | 14:01 |
| StevenK | So compiz is busticated. | 14:01 |
| StevenK | What else is new? | 14:01 |
| * StevenK ducks | 14:01 | |
| Amaranth | I suck with gdb but isn't it possible to attach to compiz and see what it is doing? | 14:01 |
| LongPointyStick | StevenK: heh | 14:01 |
| Amaranth | It's obviously not crashed so that would mean it's in an infinite loop somewhere | 14:01 |
| Amaranth | or stalled waiting for something | 14:01 |
| LongPointyStick | Amaranth: this reproducable by hitting meta+e, then alt+space | 14:01 |
| Amaranth | oh that one | 14:02 |
| StevenK | Hah | 14:02 |
| Amaranth | I hate X11 | 14:02 |
| LongPointyStick | yeah, that seems to be oen of the easiest ways to do it | 14:02 |
| Amaranth | the problem is the menu gets a screengrab | 14:02 |
| StevenK | meta+e and then alt-space opens two window menus for me | 14:02 |
| Amaranth | and keyboard grab | 14:02 |
| LongPointyStick | StevenK: yes, then click somewhere, and try to go back itno one of the desktops. | 14:03 |
| Amaranth | it's possible to escape from but not easy | 14:03 |
| StevenK | LongPointyStick: Works for me | 14:03 |
| LongPointyStick | StevenK: lucky you. | 14:03 |
| Amaranth | I manage to get it stuck about every other time I try | 14:03 |
| StevenK | I don't think I'll do that again | 14:03 |
| Amaranth | hehe | 14:03 |
| LongPointyStick | haha | 14:04 |
| LongPointyStick | Amaranth: how do i start compiz, etc, on a separate display? | 14:05 |
| Amaranth | eh? | 14:05 |
| LongPointyStick | displays are always strange creatures to me :) | 14:05 |
| Amaranth | DISPLAY=:0 compiz & | 14:05 |
| LongPointyStick | surely if i'm running compiz thru gdb, i need to start it from the ssh'd machine? | 14:05 |
| LongPointyStick | ahhhh | 14:05 |
| Amaranth | i'm not saying to start compiz in gdb | 14:05 |
| Amaranth | i'm saying to attach to it when it gets stuck | 14:05 |
| StevenK | LongPointyStick: To do what Amaranth is asking, start compiz, get it stuck, find compiz's process id, run gdb and then run attach <pid> | 14:07 |
| Amaranth | or gdb -p <pid> | 14:07 |
| Amaranth | iirc | 14:07 |
| StevenK | That will stop compiz, so you need to run continue, but then how to see what it's doing, I'm stuck | 14:07 |
| LongPointyStick | hum. attaching to it before it gets stuck just makes it freeze. | 14:09 |
| StevenK | Of course, you need to run continue at the gdb prompt | 14:09 |
| StevenK | gdb sends it a SIGSTOP, from memory | 14:09 |
| Amaranth | it's best to attach it when it sticks | 14:10 |
| LongPointyStick | so i continue, and it says Continuing, and it does nothing. | 14:11 |
| Amaranth | right, don't do that | 14:11 |
| Amaranth | attach to it after it gets stuck | 14:11 |
| Amaranth | then don't run continue | 14:11 |
| LongPointyStick | that was just after it got stuck | 14:11 |
| LongPointyStick | oh. | 14:11 |
| Amaranth | you should be able to run bt to see what it's just been doing | 14:11 |
| StevenK | Maybe the last function on the call stack is annoy_hobbsee_lots_and_lots() | 14:13 |
| LongPointyStick | haha | 14:13 |
| LongPointyStick | Amaranth: no debugging symbols. | 14:13 |
| Amaranth | does the automatic repo thingy have them yet? | 14:14 |
| Amaranth | this would be easier on gutsy :P | 14:14 |
| LongPointyStick | i have no idea | 14:14 |
| LongPointyStick | there appears to be no compiz debug package in the reops | 14:15 |
| Amaranth | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProgramCrash | 14:15 |
| Amaranth | it's a separate repo | 14:15 |
| Amaranth | debug packages are created automatically | 14:15 |
| persia | Hmm.. ddebs.ubuntu.com doesn't seem to have updated in the past 10 days | 14:15 |
| LongPointyStick | yeah, i thought so | 14:15 |
| Amaranth | ok then... | 14:16 |
| Amaranth | easier on gutsy :P | 14:16 |
| Amaranth | unless you feel like installing basically every X, GNOME, and KDE dev package and building compiz :) | 14:16 |
| LongPointyStick | well, i'll see if it crashes on gutsy then | 14:17 |
| Amaranth | it does | 14:17 |
| Amaranth | this particular bug has been around as long as compiz has | 14:17 |
| Amaranth | well, sort of | 14:17 |
| Amaranth | expo just made it easier to hit :) | 14:18 |
| LongPointyStick | what, the freezes? | 14:18 |
| StevenK | Haha | 14:19 |
| LongPointyStick | crashes on gutsy too. | 14:20 |
| Amaranth | LongPointyStick: good, you can get debug symbols there :) | 14:27 |
| LongPointyStick | heh | 14:28 |
| Hobbsee | Amaranth: it appears that they're broken anyway, due to the backports | 14:43 |
| Amaranth | Hobbsee: oh joy | 14:44 |
| Hobbsee | yes... | 14:44 |
| android | hi | 16:19 |
| android | do you know why zsnes is in multiverse in ubuntu but in main in debian? | 16:20 |
| android | I think this is an error | 16:20 |
| android | cause zsnes is a free software | 16:20 |
| Adri2000 | android: I see it in universe | 16:24 |
| Adri2000 | zsnes | 1.510-1.1 | http://archive.ubuntu.com hardy/universe Sources | 16:24 |
| pochu | android: In feisty and Edgy was in multiverse, but Gutsy and Hardy have it in universe. | 16:26 |
| android | ok thank you the problem was solved | 16:27 |
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| yuhong | May I suggest adding a generic-pae kernel to the next version of Ubuntu? | 21:15 |
| yuhong | Currently it requires a recompile. | 21:15 |
| yuhong | How about making it the default if NX support or RAM mapped over 4G boundary is detected. | 21:16 |
| yuhong | Also how about a non-PAE server kernel? | 21:18 |
| yuhong | Make that the default if the processor does not support PAE. | 21:18 |
| yuhong | And if installing a server version of Ubuntu. | 21:19 |
| crimsun | yuhong: please ask on the kernel-team@ list (it's moderated, so please consider subscribing). | 21:19 |
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