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cleverive got a problem with the rtl818x kernel driver06:35
cleverit started a few releases ago but still exists in 7.1006:36
cleverit spews errors to dmesg when droping the wifi link06:37
cleverrtl8180: WW:Phy writing 3 26 failed!06:37
cleverhas happened 33 times and a few other similar ones have happened(different numbers)06:37
cleverive found what line of source is actualy causing that dmesg output but havent figured out why its running06:38
cleverit looks like its trying to do the same thing 70 times and returns when  it works06:46
cleverand that error im getting is after the 70 passes fails06:46
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maxlohello20:07
maxloI am trying to contact the kernel hackers of Ubuntu20:07
maxlois this the right place?20:07
JanCmaxlo: it could be, but I'm not sure anyone is around at this time & day20:13
maxloI see... what would be the appropirate date? monday-friday?20:14
JanCI think most of the main (paid) kernel developers are in the US, so probably mon-fri US working hours 20:15
JanCbut you could also hang around until you see someone moving   ;)20:16
JanCthere is also a kernel mailing list, but it's moderated AFAIK20:17
maxloI see. thanks20:19
sorenAnyone can subscribe and post to it, afaik.20:21
maxloI was looking for some casual contact method, such as IRC :)20:22
maxloI will try US working hours20:23
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yuhongMay I suggest adding a generic-pae kernel to the next version of Ubuntu?21:21
yuhongCurrently it requires a recompile.21:21
yuhongHow about making it the default if NX support or RAM mapped over 4G boundary is detected and if installing the desktop version of Ubuntu.21:22
crimsun(seriously, use the mailing list, too.  Backscroll is lost easily, and not everyone reads the logs or lastlog.)21:22
yuhongAlso how about a non-PAE server kernel?21:22
yuhongMake that the default if the processor does not support PAE and if installing a server version of Ubuntu.21:22
JanCyuhong: I guess systems with more than 4 GiB RAM have support for 64-bit anyway?21:25
yuhongMost of them.21:26
JanCon the desktop at least21:26
yuhongBut NX support cannot be enabled without PAE.21:26
zdzichu_is wasting time on PAE worthful? Even Microsoft removed support for 32bit+PAE from recent OS versions21:27
JanCso, it doesn't work on 64-bit, or what?21:27
yuhongNo, they didn't21:27
zdzichu_However, Microsoft has essentially abandoned PAE in the 32-bit versions of Windows XP SP2 and Windows Vista.[5] This is to avoid compatibility problems with the wide variety of third-party device drivers.21:27
zdzichu_5. http://support.microsoft.com/kb/929605/en-us21:28
yuhongHere is the real story.21:28
yuhongWhen NX is enabled, PAE is enabled with a hack that restricts the physical address space to the lower 4G.21:29
yuhongWhen PAE is enabled, PAE is enabled without this hack.21:29

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