[06:35] <clever> ive got a problem with the rtl818x kernel driver
[06:36] <clever> it started a few releases ago but still exists in 7.10
[06:37] <clever> it spews errors to dmesg when droping the wifi link
[06:37] <clever> rtl8180: WW:Phy writing 3 26 failed!
[06:37] <clever> has happened 33 times and a few other similar ones have happened(different numbers)
[06:38] <clever> ive found what line of source is actualy causing that dmesg output but havent figured out why its running
[06:46] <clever> it looks like its trying to do the same thing 70 times and returns when  it works
[06:46] <clever> and that error im getting is after the 70 passes fails
[20:07] <maxlo> hello
[20:07] <maxlo> I am trying to contact the kernel hackers of Ubuntu
[20:07] <maxlo> is this the right place?
[20:13] <JanC> maxlo: it could be, but I'm not sure anyone is around at this time & day
[20:14] <maxlo> I see... what would be the appropirate date? monday-friday?
[20:15] <JanC> I think most of the main (paid) kernel developers are in the US, so probably mon-fri US working hours 
[20:16] <JanC> but you could also hang around until you see someone moving   ;)
[20:17] <JanC> there is also a kernel mailing list, but it's moderated AFAIK
[20:19] <maxlo> I see. thanks
[20:21] <soren> Anyone can subscribe and post to it, afaik.
[20:22] <maxlo> I was looking for some casual contact method, such as IRC :)
[20:23] <maxlo> I will try US working hours
[21:21] <yuhong> May I suggest adding a generic-pae kernel to the next version of Ubuntu?
[21:21] <yuhong> Currently it requires a recompile.
[21:22] <yuhong> How about making it the default if NX support or RAM mapped over 4G boundary is detected and if installing the desktop version of Ubuntu.
[21:22] <crimsun> (seriously, use the mailing list, too.  Backscroll is lost easily, and not everyone reads the logs or lastlog.)
[21:22] <yuhong> Also how about a non-PAE server kernel?
[21:22] <yuhong> Make that the default if the processor does not support PAE and if installing a server version of Ubuntu.
[21:25] <JanC> yuhong: I guess systems with more than 4 GiB RAM have support for 64-bit anyway?
[21:26] <yuhong> Most of them.
[21:26] <JanC> on the desktop at least
[21:26] <yuhong> But NX support cannot be enabled without PAE.
[21:27] <zdzichu_> is wasting time on PAE worthful? Even Microsoft removed support for 32bit+PAE from recent OS versions
[21:27] <JanC> so, it doesn't work on 64-bit, or what?
[21:27] <yuhong> No, they didn't
[21:27] <zdzichu_> However, Microsoft has essentially abandoned PAE in the 32-bit versions of Windows XP SP2 and Windows Vista.[5] This is to avoid compatibility problems with the wide variety of third-party device drivers.
[21:28] <zdzichu_> 5. http://support.microsoft.com/kb/929605/en-us
[21:28] <yuhong> Here is the real story.
[21:29] <yuhong> When NX is enabled, PAE is enabled with a hack that restricts the physical address space to the lower 4G.
[21:29] <yuhong> When PAE is enabled, PAE is enabled without this hack.