[00:00] ScottK: Ah, that does seem a bit odd. [00:00] <_16aR__> geser: the 2 env var are primarily used to get default config file and media data (textures, sounds, 3D models) [00:00] _16aR__: Is there a sane default for those two variables? [00:00] Hi, does anyone know which channel I should ask for a review my translation file ? https://translations.launchpad.net/easycrypt/trunk/+imports [00:01] _16aR__: Maybe this software should switch to using a config file instead... [00:01] StevenHarperUK: #launchpad is the right place, or just wait. [00:01] Fujitsu: Fortunately the app is in Python, so I can pick at is and make sure I understand what it is doing. It already checks if it's in KDE or Gnome, so adding a bit to pull in XAUTHORITY when in KDE should be easy enough. [00:01] Fujitsu: I did that : thanks - ill wait now [00:01] ScottK: Ah. [00:02] StevenHarperUK: No idea at all. ubuntu-translators@l.u.c list is probably worth trying (if you mean the POT file). [00:03] minghua: 'tis a task that only Rosetta administrators can perform. [00:03] and they get to it when they get to it [00:03] generally [00:03] <_16aR__> minghua: I think that I can put every "base" media files into a /usr/share/ dire [00:04] <_16aR__> dir ** [00:04] StevenHarperUK: Listen to Fujitsu then. :-) [00:04] LaserJock: They only sometimes get to it when they get to it? That sounds odd. [00:04] _16aR__: I probably don't know enough about the package to make more comments, then. [00:04] Fujitsu: sometimes if you bug them properly and do the right chants they might get to it quicker ;-) [00:04] <_16aR__> minghua: since it is a Path env var, You can add your own if you need to [00:04] <_16aR__> like [00:05] <_16aR__> myOwnGameDire/data:otherDir:/usr/share/package/data [00:06] Hi everyone, I've been told that my package generates a manpage-has-bad-whatis-entry. When I run a `lintian *.changes` or a `lintian *.deb` against my packages then I don't get the warning. Can someone please tell me what I'm doing wrong. [00:07] frenchy: What release are you running? [00:07] Gutsy. [00:07] frenchy: If you don't have backports enabled, enable it and install the updated lintian from that. [00:07] That would be a first step. [00:07] ScottK: Thanks, I'll try that. [00:08] Geisty *giggles* [00:09] ScottK: Got backports. Have lintian 1.23.36 (default gutsy is 1.23.32). [00:10] Try that and see if you get the error. [00:10] Gotta run. [00:10] ScottK: ok, cya. I already had it all set up when I ran it the first time. [00:10] Can anyone else help please? [00:13] Pretty please? [00:14] frenchy: does the description on top of this page help? http://lintian.debian.org/reports/Tmanpage-has-bad-whatis-entry.html [00:17] albert23: Hi, well "yes" and "no". I was told of the man page warning via REVU so I fixed the man page (or so I thought). And uploaded again only to find out that it's still happening. I don't want to waste peoples time checking the same warning and would like to know how I can get the warning reported so I know when it's fixed. [00:18] albert23: I really thought I'd fixed it. [00:19] I've got: [00:19] .SH NAME [00:19] Me TV \- a digital television (DVB) viewer for GNOME [00:20] frenchy: you could try to use manedit to edit the man page [00:20] I didn't have the description before. Which is what the manpage-has-bad-whatis-entry warning is about. [00:20] albert23: Hmmm ... nice idea. [00:20] and maybe lintian -i -v will say more [00:21] albert23: Would that error be generated from the *.changes or the *.deb? [00:22] I would think the deb, but I am not sure. I only had a man problem once so far [00:23] lintian (or linda) *.changes checks the source package and the binary debs [00:23] albert23: -i -v didn't help against either. But thanks for your help. I'll try manedit. I didn't know it existed. [00:24] geser: Is that the changes from the source (-S) build or binary build? [00:25] lintian *.changes checks all the mentioned files there, if you use the one with source only then only the source is checked, if you use on that has source and binary (like from pbuilder) than both are checked [00:32] geser: Thanks. I haven't using pbuilder. I've been dpkg-buildpackaging-ing. That'll change now. [00:32] *I haven't been using pbuilder [00:33] evening [00:33] hi zul [00:33] hey LaserJock how goes it? [00:34] oh alright I guess [00:35] trying to figure out what to do with this case [00:35] I've got 4 cases and a number of parts [00:36] the toughest part seems to be that the motherboards never seem to work with the front connections on the cases === Pumpernickle is now known as Pumpernickel [00:44] LaserJock: rack mountable? [00:45] hahaha ... no [00:45] at least I wouldn't think [00:45] :-P [00:45] and I don't have a rack to try/use [00:46] would be easy to see on them :-) [00:46] sounds like desktops ;-) [00:47] yes [00:47] I've never had a rack [00:47] I don't think I've ever seen one either [00:47] good night. (btw, if a core dev is arround please consider sponsoring bug #175000 :P) [00:47] Launchpad bug 175000 in desktop-file-utils "Bash completion for desktop-file-validate" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175000 [00:48] but I know the general idea of what it should look like I think [00:49] LaserJock: http://www.sentralsystems.com/offers.html [00:49] that's about it :-) [00:50] http://www.sentralsystems.com/ispserv.html [00:50] that might even be better :-) [00:50] hmm, yeah [00:50] are they like standard ATX or micro-ATX motherboards or do they have to be special? [00:50] the bluearc is also rackmounted. [00:51] http://www.bluearc.com/products/titan.shtml [00:51] depends on the chassi. [00:51] icedtea is not installable in hardy currently, is it? [00:51] sentral has some half depths, which takes micro I think :-) [00:52] ok, so what is all the 1U, 2U ,etc.? [00:53] LaserJock: That's the height of the device. [00:53] U = unit. [00:53] Most full-size racks are 47U. [00:53] 1U = three rackscrews :-) [00:53] Fujitsu: most are 43U mate :-) [00:53] Blah, same thing. [00:54] Fujitsu: that's why Juniper T640 is half rack. 21U ;-) [00:54] Ah, right. [00:55] insanely kewl monster that one :-) [00:55] and scales well. [00:55] One would hope. [00:56] were do you get a rack? [00:56] do they just sell those in stores? [00:57] LaserJock: You've got lasers. Make one. [00:57] ;-) [00:58] hehe [00:58] I think you can get them cheaply from PONIES PONIES PONIES. [00:58] Ahem. [00:58] minitran.co.uk for example. [00:58] prism... [00:58] etc. [00:58] ScottK: I suppose I could have the machinist make me one [00:59] APC [00:59] That or head over to the computer science department and steal one. [00:59] hmmm, that sounds fun [00:59] I'm not really sure where CS is [01:01] I should convince my boss that we need a rack [01:02] Biggles! Bring in the rack! [01:02] Stealing sounds more fun. [01:02] we have a rack in the office :-) [01:02] Nafallo: That's not particularly surprising. [01:03] and... 18(?) in our suite? :-) [01:03] we just have desktops stacked wherever we can get some space [01:03] so that's 19. [01:03] same thing with the clusters [01:03] and then we colo some in THN. [01:03] so 20 racks ;-) [01:04] Nafallo: mostly full? [01:04] mostly full [01:04] we need more racks :-P [01:05] well, I'm tasked to design them :-) [01:05] will need to be remotly bootable and have nice cabling this time around ;-) [01:05] +e [01:09] LaserJock: Ponies! [01:10] dh_shlibdeps -a --dpkg-shlibdeps-params=--ignore-missing-info [01:10] Hrrrm. Which now dies a horrid death. [01:11] Hurray, and a C++ strictness failure for another package. [01:12] Heya gang [01:12] bddebian! [01:12] * StevenK waves to bddebian and to the PONY that just appeared. [01:13] Heh, heya LaserJock, StevenK [01:15] * StevenK idly wonders about lunch. [01:16] * StevenK chuckles [01:17] * GoldenPony tries to chuckle, but fails due to anatomical differences. [01:17] Settle for a comical neigh? [01:17] Nay, just a normal neigh. [01:22] * StevenK throws nine uploads at Soyuz and yells "Catch!" [01:23] heh [01:24] Which is nice of StevenK, since soyuz likes to eat uploads for lunch. [01:25] Yeah, well [01:28] ScottK: It needs feeding, so what do you expect? [01:29] * ScottK wasn't complaining, just complimenting StevenK on his generousity. [01:31] * LaserJock wonders if Soyuz like Scoobie Snacks [01:31] !soyuzsnack [01:31] Sorry, I don't know anything about soyuzsnack - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi [01:31] Aw... [01:31] I'm just wondering, can I find a guide on how to create a ubuntu package? [01:31] !packagingguide | bulio [01:31] bulio: packagingguide is The packaging guide is at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/NewPackages for information on getting a package integrated into Ubuntu - Other developer resources are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment - See also !backports [01:31] Maybe we need to add a Soyuz Snack factoid that it's whatever was most recently uploaded? [01:32] StevenK: Haha. [01:32] `Mmm, thanks $UPLOADER.' [01:32] Haha [01:35] How can i fix bugs? [01:35] dumb question but [01:36] jeez, making a package seems tough :S [01:36] I read the tutorial on howto fix bugs and there they are saying that we have to collect the sources. where are we going to get the sources from? [01:36] bulio, it gets easier as you get to understand it [01:37] which is the easiest way to make a firefox package [01:37] We have a Firefox package already. [01:37] I know, its a firefox 3 beta2 package I want to make [01:38] We have beta1. [01:38] ..and firefox is not really the easiest package to learn packaging [01:38] And beta2 should be in the package soon enough. [01:38] +1 Ubulette [01:38] :) [01:39] :( @ requiring hardy for Ubulette's firefox packages [01:39] limac: you need to have the source repos enabled and then you can run apt-get source to get the source [01:39] DarkMageZ, i did gutsy too. [01:39] ok thx I'll try and let u no. :) [01:39] oh. link me again ッ [01:39] LaserJock [01:40] https://edge.launchpad.net/~fta/+packages [01:40] * Fujitsu is allergic to anything with FTA in it. [01:41] Fujitsu: ? [01:41] Fujitsu, why ? [01:41] Therefore, you're allergic to Launchpad. It makes you break out in complaining. [01:42] Free Trade Agreement. [01:42] Ahh. [01:43] Did we end up signing that? [01:43] We did. [01:43] Quite some time ago. [01:43] It remains to be seen how Rudd treats Bush [01:43] Yes. [01:43] I will be most interested. [01:43] Good to see Kyoto done, though. [01:44] allright, they are then saying to create a backup directory, how is that done??? [01:47] limac: what are you reading? [01:47] and I would think you could just make a directory somewhere convenient [01:47] actually nm i got the answer [01:47] but after i do that how can i get access to the sources code? [01:48] source code [01:48] did you get the source package? [01:48] yup [01:48] * GoldenPony makes pony noises. [01:49] actually hold on, what do u mean by "getting the sources package"? [01:49] apt-get source something [01:50] I so far ran these two cammands: apt -get and cp -a [01:50] I have a warning from pbuilder build "dpkg-gencontrol: warning: unknown substitution variable ${misc:Depends}". Can I simply remove it safely? I don't know where it's come from and has probably been in there from the start. [01:50] frenchy: Ignore the warning. [01:51] ScottK: Leave it in there? [01:51] Yes. [01:52] dpkg-gencontrol is behind the times. [01:52] limac: you want to do apt-get source [01:52] ScottK: Ok, sorry to ask the obviuos. [01:52] Actually I've no idea if you need it or not, but the dpkg-gencontrol warning is irrelevant. [01:52] frenchy: No problem. [01:52] LaserJock, I did that. [01:52] What it's warning is that misc:Depends expands to nothing [01:53] limac: ok, then the source should be in the directory you were in when you ran that [01:53] Laserjack, but where??? [01:53] StevenK: Yeah, I figured that so I thought that I could remove it. [01:53] StevenK: really? I thought it always gave that [01:53] limac: in the directory that you were in where you issued that command [01:53] LaserJock: It will only complain about it if it's empty. [01:53] StevenK: cool, that's good to know [01:54] LaserJock: debconf will, for example, put itself into misc:Depends [01:55] usually what extensions does it have or how can i figure out which one it is, there are so many things in it! [01:55] Fujitsu: Are you planning on looking at the python-numpy merge/sync? [01:55] StevenK: yes, I know why it's there, I just didn't know that it threw that warning when it was empty [01:55] limac: what was the package that you did? [01:55] kdeutils [01:55] LaserJock: Because it's specified in the control file, and it isn't listed in debian/substvars [01:55] strange, all 9 ppa builders are idle. I've pushed something 3h ago, it's not even in queue. [01:56] ScottK: I haven't heard anything more from Ondrej. I'll talk to him when I see him online again. [01:56] limac: ok, then there should be a .dsc file, a .diff.gz file and a .orig.tar.gz file [01:56] limac: that's the source package [01:56] hold on let me see [01:56] Fujitsu: I was more thinking along the lines of I touched it last, but really would rather not worry about it, so I want to make sure you will... [01:56] Ubulette: I wouldn't quite call that strange. It's normal, albeit broken, Soyuz behaviour. [01:56] limac: and you should see a new directory starting with kdeutils that is the unpacked source [01:57] Ubulette: Which package? [01:57] xulrunner-1.9_1.9~b2~cvs20071207t1611+nobinonly-0ubuntu1~fta1 [01:58] uggg, what a version [01:58] :) [01:58] Ubulette: I can't see that in your PPA. [01:58] i know [01:58] that's why i said it's strange [01:58] * minghua wonders if there is a fixed buffer size for version number... [01:59] Ubulette: Did you get an acceptance email? [01:59] no reject, no accept, nothing [01:59] LaserJosk: did u get that, that's what the dir holds [01:59] Ubulette: Ah, upload again. You probably didn't sign it properly. [01:59] LaserJock: I find 2:0.99+1.0pre7try2+cvs20060117-0ubuntu8.1 fairly fowl (Dapper's mplayer) [02:00] minghua: aptitude uses 10 chars by default to display versions.. ;) [02:00] s/fowl/foul/ [02:00] Fujitsu, hmm, i'm sure i did [02:00] it's not my 1st up either ;) [02:00] Ubulette: Alternatively, you may have used an incorrect email format in the .changes, or a multitude of undocumented ways to get silent rejections. [02:00] arh [02:01] limac: I didn't, you can pastebin it if you want [02:01] !pastebin > limac [02:01] gasp, i pushed to revu instead of ppa :P [02:01] blueyed: Only when it's sent to 80-column terminals. [02:01] Ubulette: Haha. === rob1 is now known as rob [02:01] how do I nuke that on revu ? [02:01] LaserJock: How can i paste bin it? [02:02] Ubulette: You can't. Only one of the four REVU gods can do it. [02:02] !pastebin [02:02] pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic) [02:02] limac: ^^ [02:02] minghua: no, see http://people.debian.org/~dburrows/aptitude-doc/en/ch02s04s01.html [02:03] please, REVU Gods, kill xulrunner-1.9 (and archive prism) [02:03] LaserJock: how can I attach a picture to it? [02:03] blueyed: Right. I was thinking of dpkg. [02:04] Any lib transition experts around? Is the changed desc for bug 78309 correct? [02:04] Launchpad bug 78309 in giflib "libungif to giflib transition" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/78309 [02:04] limac: don't, just copy and paste what you get in a terminal [02:05] huh? [02:05] LaserJock:huh? [02:06] limac: just copy and paste the text you get when you look at the directory contents in a terminal, i.e. ls [02:06] LaserJock:gotcha [02:06] LaserJock:Didn't really think of it that way! [02:08] LaserJock:after pasting what shoul i do to send it to you? [02:10] blueyed: Unless libgif4 and libungif4g are ABI compatible, the description in bug 78309 is completely wrong. [02:10] Launchpad bug 78309 in giflib "libungif to giflib transition" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/78309 [02:10] minghua: my guess is, that they are compatible, but I don't know. [02:11] blueyed: ... ABI compatible, and that libgif4 provides a /usr/lib/libungif.4.so symlink, that is. [02:12] minghua: both ship /usr/lib/libgif.so.4.1.4 [02:12] blueyed: Then I suggest not using words like "A quick fix for this appears to be ..." in the description. [02:14] blueyed: "The libungif library is a specially modified version of giflib which is free of the Unisys LZW patent. It can read all GIFs, but only write uncompressed GIFs. If you need to be able to write compressed GIFs, you can install the giflib packages instead." [02:14] blueyed: Doesn't sound ABI compatible to me. [02:15] minghua: sounds like libgif adds more functionality/symbols "only". [02:16] I guess anything that builds against libungif builds also against giflib, don't you think? [02:16] blueyed: Maybe, maybe not. [02:17] blueyed: Guessing doesn't help, you need to first compare the symbols, then read a bit more about the code to be sure. [02:18] limac: sorry, just give me the URL here [02:18] LaserJock:sure hold on a sec [02:18] is there a way to speed up sponsorship of seamonkey ? or are the security fixes in hardy not important ? [02:19] I think security fixes in hardy is not important. [02:20] LaserJock: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/47486/ [02:21] limac: yep, that's the source [02:21] for me, security always matter but i'm biased, i'm running what I build [02:21] LaserJock: WHich one? [02:21] limac: all of it [02:22] minghua: I treat security fixes in Hardy as just as important as the rest, and they're normally quicker. [02:22] LaserJock: so how do i edit it(fix it) [02:22] s/the rest/other releases/ [02:22] limac: the packaging bits (the part that is for creating an Ubuntu package) are in the debian/ directory [02:23] limac: well, you gotta figure out what's wrong, and then fix it :-) [02:24] Fujitsu: Sure. I'm just saying *I* don't expect hardy to have very in-time security updates. If there indeed are, it's good. :-) [02:24] minghua: Hardy will be more up-to-date security-wise than any other release. [02:24] LaserJock: so this is where my skills come in handy! :P [02:24] :) [02:24] yep [02:24] bug 174739 [02:24] Launchpad bug 174739 in seamonkey "[upgrade] seamonkey 1.1.7" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174739 [02:25] thnx dude, thx a lot for all the help [02:25] limac: no problem [02:25] i already have asac's approval [02:25] Urgh, Mozilla. [02:26] LaserJock: I'll ask u if i have any further problems. Hope that's ok with u! :) [02:26] Fujitsu, yep, i like that [02:27] Fujitsu: Good to know. And thank you for that. (Although I don't use hardy...) [02:27] limac: if I'm around no problem [02:27] otherwise feel free to ask the channel in general [02:27] LaserJock: thx again [02:27] see ya around then [02:28] is there another channel I can hang out in to learn about creating and maintaining a repository? [02:28] bulio, use the personal package archives? [02:28] DarkMageZ, I have no idea how to upload source on to them [02:29] I signed as a ubuntero, and created a PGP key [02:35] bulio: there is a QuickStartGuid on the launchpad wiki [02:36] bulio: https://help.launchpad.net/PPAQuickStart [02:50] I'm confused [02:50] bulio: about what? [02:50] I have thew latest AWN source code [02:50] now what do I do with it to get the PPA to build it? [02:50] PPA says something about dput [02:50] but source.changes, not the actual source code [02:52] yep [02:52] you might want to read over the packaging guide a bit [02:52] a _source.changes file holds the md5sums of the source package components [02:52] so how do I create that? [02:52] and so when you give it to dput it knows what to upload [02:53] bulio: the easiest way is to create a source package and run debuild -S [02:54] whats the command to create a source package [02:54] well, debuild -S [02:55] bulio: do you have a source package already or do you just have a tarball of the source code? [02:55] source code from bazaar checkout [02:55] does it have a debian/ directory? [02:57] nope [02:57] wait, yes it does [02:58] Hmm, Ubuntu can't use .menu files for menu entries, right? [02:58] Jazzva: well, kinda [02:58] not by default [02:59] but you can install a package that gives you the Debian menu [02:59] bulio: ok, then try running debuild -S in the source directory [03:00] LaserJock: But that's not by default :). I installed gtwitter and noticed it doesn't provide a desktop file, but it does provide a .menu file. I suppose it's can be confusing to a typical user... [03:01] Jazzva: there are a great many packages like that [03:02] LaserJock: That's not good, right :)? [03:02] Jazzva: I'm not sure what the current "policy" is, but if there are already Ubuntu changes you might add a .desktop [03:03] Jazzva: It's not default in Debian either. [03:03] Nope, there are none so far :/... [03:03] So, should I file a bug in LP and attach a desktop file? [03:04] Jazzva: you might file a bug in Debian actually [03:04] and see if they will add it there [03:04] LaserJock: Ok... I'll do that. [03:04] Thanks for the help :) [03:04] LaserJock, I'm getting an error [03:04] running debuild -S inside avant-window-navigator source dir [03:05] make: *** No rule to make target `/usr/share/cdbs/1/rules/simple-patchsys.mk'. Stop. [03:05] debuild: fatal error at line 1247: [03:05] bulio: ok, you need to install cdbs [03:06] debuild: fatal error at line 1174: [03:06] running debsign failed [03:06] right [03:06] because the you aren't the person in the changelog :-) [03:06] to get around it for the moment you can debuild -S -us -uc [03:07] but once you add a changelog entry (i.e. before you upload) in debian/changelog then drop those to sign the package [03:07] oh, so I need to edit the changelog? [03:08] well, if you want to upload yes [03:08] you'll want to have a proper version, perhaps set yourself as maintainer of your package, etc. [03:09] persia: Are you able to take another look at disk-manager? I think it's all fixed up now (and looking for 2nd advocate). http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?package=disk-manager [03:09] hi sll [03:09] all [03:10] ScottK: nice mails [03:11] LaserJock, how do I create a proper version then? [03:11] Hobbsee: Thanks. [03:12] I'm trying to install Ubuntu for the first time, but I can't even get my new Vista machine to boot from the LiveCD [03:12] * ScottK just got Scotch in prepartion for replying to geser's latest. [03:12] hudyx: The channel for support is #ubuntu. [03:12] ScottK: On -motu? [03:12] StevenK: motu-council. [03:12] bulio: well, for PPAs you want something that isn't going to conflict with something that's already in the archives or will be in the future [03:13] bulio: generally it's good to include something like ~ppaX where X is 1,2,3... for each upload you do [03:14] LaserJock, can we go through this step by step? [03:14] btw, I appreciate all the help [03:15] Ok, so I have an AWN dir, now what do I do so that I can have a proper version [03:15] in which I am pkg maintainer [03:16] bulio: run dch -i [03:16] that will help you edit the changelog [03:17] ok, done that [03:18] so make sure to set the name and email address to the exact same as in your gpg key [03:18] done [03:19] what version do you have in the first line [03:19] of what [03:19] of the changelog [03:19] avant-window-navigator-trunk (0.2.1+bzr-1ubuntu1) gutsy; urgency=low [03:21] hmm [03:21] that's kind of a funky package name with -trunk [03:21] bulio: can you pastebin the entire changelog for me? [03:21] ScottK, Hobbsee: just sent a reply [03:22] LaserJock: Thanks. Me too. [03:23] LaserJock, http://rafb.net/p/EVOolK64.html [03:23] bulio: that's the whole thing? [03:24] LaserJock: Thanks. I'll have a reply for that in a moment. [03:24] LaserJock: you got moderated, i take it? [03:24]