[00:02] PriceChild: got a min? [00:17] jussi01, yeah sure [00:18] PriceChild: what do you mean a script to log hilights? What crazy client do you use where that's not default? [00:18] PriceChild: btw that's a script for irssi to give you a proper channel list [00:19] crdlb: hrm? [00:19] tonyyarusso, xchat... I just want to be able to have a little window that gives me all my hilights and channels since i've been away. [00:19] crdlb, pfft its gotta be crackful [00:19] PriceChild: irssi gives you a list in the server window automatically when you /away to come back [00:19] tonyyarusso, I know :) [00:20] PriceChild: I'm a wee bit surprised at XChat... [00:23] PriceChild: nah not really :) [00:24] * Seeker` has a seperate "hilight" window in irssi [00:24] * Seeker` hasn't had any hilights yet today :( [00:25] Seeker`: :P [00:25] woo :P [00:25] crdlb, linky? [00:25] * jussi01 -> bed [00:26] night === crdlb_ is now known as crdlb [00:30] PriceChild: http://archive.f0rked.com/screenshots/irssi20051016.png [00:32] cool, link to that script? [00:32] http://f0rked.com/articles/irssi [00:32] search it for "awl" [00:33] PriceChild: you mean marmalade? [00:33] crdlb: what does that do? [00:33] adds a window list to show activity instead of the [Act: 2,4,5,9,12,13,42] thing [00:35] ah [00:35] * nalioth has his numbers memorized [00:35] * tonyyarusso too, or at least the vast majority of them [00:35] * Pici three [00:35] I used to know them before I started using that script :) === Pumpernickle is now known as Pumpernickel [00:36] does it change the window order? [00:37] PriceChild: Also, search for "Hilight Window" on the same page - it gives you a small window at the top of the screen showing only the hilights [00:37] Seeker`, I know how to do that bit thanks :) [00:37] nalioth: No, but it gives them names, so you have less need to remember them [00:37] PriceChild: oh, sorry [00:37] Seeker`: crdlb: what does it do if you have 83 windows open? [00:38] takes up half the screen :p [00:38] right. [00:38] * nalioth will stick with his numbers [00:38] nalioth: I'm not silly enough to be in that many channels :D [00:39] well, i go where i'm needed [00:39] I dont know how someone could keep track of 83 windows [00:40] * jdong wishes irssi would use a hex numbering system to save space :D [00:40] heh [00:40] my windows go from 1-9, then 0, then q-o, then it starts at 20 [00:41] I haven't worked out how to select window 20 yet [00:41] jdong: rofl - it would only save space if you had >100 [00:41] or <16 [00:42] tonyyarusso: meh I'm no number theory freak but I think even as long as int(n/10) > int(n/16) you win [00:42] 0_0 [00:42] * nalioth just loaded awl [00:42] nalioth: screen shot! [00:42] * nalioth just unloaded awl [00:42] hah [00:43] not for me, but thanks for the info [00:43] haha :) [00:44] how do I select window 20? [00:44] /win 20 [00:44] /win 20? :) [00:44] Seeker`: depends on how you set your client up [00:44] I use alt+a for getting to those windows a lot [00:44] * nalioth can't answer any of those questions, cuz his irssi is not really standard any more . . . . [00:45] * Seeker` uses esc+# to get to windows atm [00:46] jdong: wouldn't that work out to the same as what I said for all hyperion-allowable values of n? [00:46] tonyyarusso: AAAAHH MY HEAD *SMACK* [00:48] * tonyyarusso ponders [00:54] jdong: Nah, your equation is buggy [00:54] tonyyarusso: wouldn't be surprised [00:54] tonyyarusso, valenzetti equation? [00:56] jdong: if n=30, int(n/10)=3, int(n/16)=1, 3>1, but the hexadecimal representation (1e) takes the same number of digits to display (2). [00:57] tonyyarusso: ok then I think we need to use log16 vs log10 of n [00:57] jdong: yeah, in some fashion or another I'm sure it needs a log [01:01] probably with lastlog you can manage to do something [01:11] jdong: You gain if int(log(n)/log(10)) < int(log(n)/log(16)) (domain of function is n>0) [01:12] ie, decimal values 10-15, 100-256, 1000-4096, 10000-65536. [01:15] tonyyarusso: sounds reasonable. [01:15] tonyyarusso: now the question is, what ranges do you lose? [01:16] jdong: none. You can only be equal or better. [01:16] So in that sense, sure, I guess it helps. [01:18] :) [01:19] Why are we having this discussion again? :P [01:21] lol [01:22] because you are nerds [01:22] tonyyarusso: to pave the way for base64 irssi window numbering :) [01:22] PriceChild: and you aren't. [01:22] haha [01:22] jdong, no, i'm a geek [01:22] there is an incredible difference [01:22] * Seeker` is a geek, and proud of it [01:22] PriceChild: incredulous difference to me. [01:22] jdong, pish posh [01:22] PriceChild: hah another britishism :) [01:22] keep em coming [01:23] twss [01:23] I thought you'd like it. [01:23] PriceChild: I do :) [01:26] whats so good about britishisms? [01:27] they're..... british! [01:27] jolly good [01:29] smashing good laugh I dare say [01:29] tally-ho [01:34] jimmacdonald: can we help you ? [01:35] inpho: can we help you? [01:35] K`Tetch: can we help you? [01:37] mhatcher, can we help you? [01:37] * MenZa hides behind tonyyarusso [01:40] * tonyyarusso gives MenZa a cookie [01:40] :D === rob1 is now known as rob [02:08] FloodBot2 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit) [02:08] FloodBot3 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit) [02:08] FloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit) [02:14] someone test me please [02:14] and let me know if i can join the chan again [02:14] did you follow the instructions, ctothej ? [02:15] yep, port 8001 for pidgin [02:15] ok [02:15] anything beyond that? [02:16] ctothej: you're good to go, thanks for putting up with us :) [02:16] sure... thanks [03:03] ardchoille called the ops in #kubuntu-offtopic (Kr4t05 Wants some attention i here and #kubuntu) [03:04] taken care of [03:13] thanks nalioth [04:26] GionnyBoss called the ops in #ubuntu (Anastasia_- sends ads on join) [04:26] confirmed, removed [04:29] tonyyarusso: poke us, please [04:29] nalioth: ah, right. sorry. [04:30] nalioth: it looks like a virus/trojan masquerading as porn. [04:30] i'm not worried about the content, i just want to remove the irritant from the network [04:30] tonyyarusso: your ban is now removable [04:30] okay, ty [07:04] In #ubuntu-bugs, persia said: ubotu: bugsquad is The Ubuntu BugSquad is the first point of contact for bugs filed about Ubuntu. For more information, please see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad. Documentation about processes is available from http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs. Also see the /topic of #ubuntu-bugs. [10:08] good morning all [15:12] !feisty-#kubuntu [15:12] Kubuntu 7.04 (Feisty Fawn) is the latest version of Kubuntu. Upgrading to Feisty: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FeistyUpgrades - Downloading: http://www.kubuntu.org/download.php [15:12] meh [15:12] A little out of date... [15:12] Tm_T: go back to your hole... :P [15:16] MenZa called the ops in #ubuntu-offtopic (Premium5pam) [15:17] mmmmmh [15:17] the lonely channel without my powers, oh well :--P [15:25] Tm_T: that guy in #kubuntu loves you... :P [15:25] jussi01: he does [15:26] hehe... why is it that people get so grumpy? [15:26] who knows [15:27] jussi01: awww, he quit from irc because of me :( [15:27] In #ubuntu, demento said: !clone is an application? [15:41] merh [15:42] * Tm_T pokes Myrtti [15:42] Myrtti: is that a krapula merh? :P [15:43] no, I'm just trying to make myself depressed before I get the news tomorrow that I didn't get the lovely and most wonderful apartment I went to see just now [15:43] I know I'm not going to get it [15:43] it would be too perfect [15:43] Myrtti: description? [15:44] 33m^2, next to 3K-supermarket, church, library, jogging track and bus stops. Bathroom renovated, view to pine trees, squirrels. [15:45] 380 incl. water [15:45] NICE! [15:45] in which city? [15:45] Tampered [15:45] -d [15:46] nice. I will be down that way at christmas. [15:46] (the inlaws live in Orivesi) [15:46] :-) [15:46] not in Nokia :-P [15:46] :P [15:46] thankfully [15:47] oh, it would be SO loverly if I got that place [15:48] it's on the other side of the city from Hervanta, but actually a bus goes straight to the front door of my previous workplace in Hermia [15:50] * jussi01 wishes Myrtti good luck [15:53] What's she doing? [15:53] gonna try and hop on one leg for the rest of the day? [15:55] who, me? [15:55] no [15:55] I went to see an apartment [15:55] PriceChild: Will you do that [15:56] gah, its too cold in here [15:56] my hands are seizing up - I cant type properlyu [15:56] get to know if I get it tomorrow [15:56] Myrtti, that's boring :/ [15:56] I think you should go see an apartment while hopping. [15:56] And then I would wish you good luck too. [15:56] hehe [15:57] I just don't feel motivated enough if its just any old apartment :/ Sorry. [15:58] good luck Myrtti :) [15:58] PriceChild: it was the most perfectly situated, cheap and lovely apartment [15:59] Gonna get it? [15:59] even the bathroom had a big window to the pine tree view :-P [15:59] haha well that clinches it then [16:02] it's not my decision anymore. I wan't it, but it's the landlords choice [16:02] I'm not the only one [16:03] Myrtti: LOL, I love your knitted covers... [16:04] Myrtti: how many other people wnat it? [16:05] four or five [16:06] jussi01: oh yes, I was in the middle of blogging about rsync, tar and split [16:17] omg, there's the swimming pools right like, next door :-o [16:17] Me Wanna! [16:17] ;___; [16:18] Myrtti: why *wouldn't* you get it? [16:19] miss-spent youth [16:20] :( [16:21] evening guys :D [16:23] heya ikonia [16:23] hows things on your side of Bath? [16:28] cold [16:28] just lit a fire and put family guy on [16:29] clearing my hang over :) [16:29] how about you [16:31] am also cold - Have turned the heating on. Hopefully it will warm up enough for my finger coordination to get back to what it should be [16:32] typing a literature review with cold hands isn't fun :{ [16:32] agreed [16:32] woo for coursewrok deadlines [16:33] ahh to be a student again [16:33] morning ikonia [16:33] afternoon here [16:33] but morning to you [16:33] time as always..is relative [16:34] unless your a time lord or in the matrix [16:34] I am neither [16:34] I love Dr Who [16:34] fun show [16:34] certainly is [16:35] ikonia: I also have some nasty maths to do [16:36] but I have finished 75% of that, and i;m not sure whether the effort required for the last 25% of the work is worth it [16:36] its always worth it [16:36] think "first" [16:36] ikonia: I was able to rewrite my stupid vb6 program to run under wine or windows [16:36] Jack_Sparrow: kudos [16:37] ikonia: The maths coursework is worth 25% of unit which is worth 20% of a year which is worth 70% of my degree [16:37] Now my dual booters can backup change edit or get man pages for Ubuntu System files.. [16:37] interesting approach [16:37] Like I said..stupid [16:38] but so are some of my users... 70 - 85 yrs old [16:38] and I have completed some of the question, so I should get some marks for it [16:38] nice to make something fit for purpose [16:40] I found it much easier to teach them how to get around in UB than to keep windows working and bug free [16:40] my parents use linux for a desktop for their needs and I'm surprised how easy they have adapted to it [16:42] ikonia: I still give my wifes parents windows, just disable the network card in thehardware setup [16:42] I've installed Kubuntu on my family's computers [16:53] inpho, K`Tetch mhatcher, Can we help you? [17:06] SWAT: hi how can we help you? [17:07] Tm_T, hi. It's unusual to be greated like this. ATM you can't help me. I'm an op for the dutch channel, hence I joined [17:07] SWAT: shame :( [17:08] really, it's a sunday evening (over here at least), take the time to relax and enjoy yourself. [17:09] SWAT: ah, you apparently have missed our inside joke :)) [17:09] the sarcastic undertone? [17:09] mmm, no [17:10] I have just returned from a stressfull weekend, so please excuse when I'm not at the top of my game [17:10] just tried to make you bit confused :) [17:11] keep on trying ;) [17:11] meh [17:12] SWAT: I could hug you if I were that kind of person [17:48] macaholic called the ops in #ubuntu (wols) [17:49] Wols was talking dirt. [17:49] macaholic, rubbish in some ways [17:49] macaholic, perhaps wols is a little... so... but, i don't see how calling !ops was warranted [17:49] macaholic, don't call ops [17:50] unless the channel is under attack and remember [17:50] he said "go away", that's not entirely polite i agree, but [17:50] !patience [17:50] The people here are volunteers, your attitude should reflect that. Answers are not always available. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines [17:50] I cannot use apt-get, this is my second reinstall., [17:50] This is a productivity machine. [17:51] this is not a help channel [17:52] you were removed from the help channel - for abusing the !ops and someone telling you to go away is not an emergency in my books [17:53] macaholic, i'd have refused to help you with your problem too until i'd see the full apt-get output. it might seem irrelevant to you, but perhaps a single output line, without the context of which packages were being installed etc, can be quite meaningless unless perhaps you're some APT guru of kinds [17:53] He didn't want to help me just because I didn't paste the lines that said what packages I wanted to install and which ones installed successfully. [17:53] !paste [17:53] pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic) [17:53] macaholic, ^^ fill that out with the required details [17:54] macaholic, so it seems you know how you did not help the person who is willing to help if you tell them what they want to know [17:54] macaholic, how does that look if you stand on the other side of the fence? [17:55] (list of packages wanting to be installed) [17:55] Do you want to continue? Yes [17:55] (Get lines) [17:55] Fetched 37MB in 3m23s (183kB/s) [17:55] E: Internal Error, Could not perform immediate configuration (2) on libpam-runtime [17:55] Is the output. [17:55] I don't need to tell him what I am or am not installing. [17:56] that is your call - not his I take it, and as you don't meet his criteria I think he is within his rights to say no [17:56] says who? [17:56] if i google that error, for instance, i see (in debian) [17:57] "This is generally a badly constructed CD set with interdependencies between the binary disks in the set. It's not supported. [17:57] just an example, but this seems like for instance one *would* like to know the full output, including whatever you were installing [17:58] and no, this still usn't the help channel [18:00] he's probably uninstalled dpkg [18:01] ooch [18:01] how many languages can you say "I hate that" in? [18:02] i hate that, ich hasse es, jag hatar det, lo odio, lo odio [18:03] vihaan sitä [18:03] ;-) [18:04] elvish doesn't count [18:04] LjL, the winnnnnaaaaaaaaa [18:05] hi LjL!! howdy? [18:05] tired, but ok [18:05] you? [18:06] fine, no news at all, btw [18:06] your wrist? [18:06] better. haven't used a computer for a couple of days, that seemed to help :) [18:06] well, i *have* used my a500+, but just to play pinball fantasies [18:07] LjL: a500 ! do you have moonstone ? [18:07] nope, i had (and have) very few games really [18:07] find it ;) [18:08] LjL: are you running workbench 4 ? [18:08] well i can't use the amiga anymore now though :) [18:08] ikonia, uh? it's a 500+. 1 meg ram. 68000 7 mhz. [18:08] besides, i would never even touch os 4 :) [18:08] AROS at best [18:08] :) [18:09] the 500+ has got wb 2.04, although i have got 2.1 later [18:09] I've got wb4 here, but I've not got around to running it [18:09] what hardware? [18:10] a1200 [18:10] but I planned to run it in an emulator rather than setup the kit [18:11] just to see wb4 [18:11] I'm just curious [18:11] ah well now there are indeed some PPC emulators good enough to allow trying that [18:11] although i'm not sure there's any emulator with specific support for Amiga emulation [18:11] I'm just interested in what the have happened [18:11] so one would have to twiddle a bit i suppose [18:12] LjL: there are a few amiga emultors out there [18:12] ikonia, there's basically just UAE (and WinFellow for games) [18:12] and UAE never emulated a PPC [18:12] I thought there was another too [18:12] ahhh I see [18:12] amigaos 4 doesn't run on 68k [18:13] I've not followed it at all, I got given it by a friend who used to be big on the demo sense and just thought I'd try it for interest [18:13] you need a PPC emulator... there's QEmu, PearPC (still around?), and perhaps some others [18:13] pear is still around [18:13] still i don't think it'd be trivial to trick os 4 into believing it's running on amiga hardware [18:14] no, I guess you may be right [18:14] I'll do a little research before diving in [18:14] anyway, as far as i know, there's nothing *particularly* exciting [18:14] no memory protection, for starters [18:14] and that's currently the one show-stopper as far as amigaos & clones go, IMHO [18:14] check out www.aros.org rather [18:14] I shall [18:17] that can run hosted in linux (actually, it's the way it's mostly run by its developers), and it crashes very well [18:18] ha ha ha [18:20] Hey, can I get tested for #ubuntu? Thanks [18:21] rodserling, we'll think about it over the next min or so ;-) [18:24] rodserling: sorted [18:24] +b *!*@pi3!*@*!#ubuntu-read-topic <- hehe [18:25] ahum... [18:25] Yeah!!! [18:25] rodserling, sorry I got called to one side as I started to set up [18:25] LjL, good catch [18:26] i didn't catch anything, i unbanned pi3 by mistake and then re-banned with the wrong syntax :) [18:26] LjL, rodserling was a catch I thought [18:27] i thought rodserling was an irc user [18:27] I almost got away [18:27] hahahaaha [19:01] follow-up from #ubuntu-offtopic ban, in PM: [19:01] [19:58:13] I did stop asking didnt I? geeze. [19:01] [19:59:55] Ask her. I didnt even msg her again. And CoC does not have the word 'harrassment' so I am right. [19:01] [20:00:45] you really asked for it in other ways. make your case in -ops if you want, though i suggest you wait a little while before doing it [19:01] ("so i am right", yup) [19:02] btw, kahrytan has trolled previously, to my knowledge. [19:03] always handy to know [19:07] LjL, was that today [19:07] ten minutes ago [19:07] or last evening [19:07] the ban [19:07] yes, ten minutes ago [19:08] [20:03:03] Im just saying CoC doesnt specify it. and it can be updated to meet it. [20:05:01] So you banned me partyl because I state a flaw in the CoC [20:06:10] we all seemed pretty much convinced that the CoC does cover it ("be respectful", for starters). i banned you for arguing that you were "right" rather than just apologizing. but i'm really not supposed to discuss this in PM. come to -ops if you like. [20:07:23] [19:08] lol Be Respectful is reason why I stopped asking. [19:09] just looked - my reaction is: your conversation was not respectful, you can contemplate that for a while - we'll work out the duration later [19:09] later is later [19:09] inviting them here [19:10] kahrytan> No thanks. [19:10] so I guess that answers that [19:11] so does the refusal to answer my own invites [19:11] [20:09:25] I dont see need for channel discussion. We're having civil conversation. [19:11] typical troll argument [19:11] why can't channel discussion be just as civil, one wonders? [19:12] that calls for zero response [19:12] indeed [19:12] ahaha [19:12] 19:12:28 <+ompaul> Zero # :D [19:12] [20:12:34] If you insist in talking in a channel, then goto #kahrytan. Otherwise, I'm not going to -ops. [19:13] invite them to ##moderation [19:13] LjL, that again calls for no reply [19:13] nalioth: why on earth? what's wrong with #ubuntu-ops? [19:13] nalioth, ohh no not that ;-) [19:13] LjL: ##moderation is neutral [19:13] nalioth, he refused to *check* if we'd be neutral. [19:15] well, #kahrytan is his channel and -ops is ours. ##moderation is a neutral channel [19:16] which is why it exists [19:16] and #ubuntu-ops is the place where one should first come to appeal a ban [19:16] anyway, i invited him to ##moderation [19:17] [20:17:07] I got a problem with that too. [19:17] i'm not replying anymore. [19:17] most interesting [19:18] query, if someone choses to behave like this, why would one attempt to tempt him to appeal the ban ? [19:18] let them stay banned [19:18] surly if someone want to be unbanned they must meet the ubuntu policy/procedure ? [19:18] ahh ok, I was just querying that [19:22] Anyone give me a one line explanation of the kahrytan thing? Harrassing riotkittie in pm? [19:23] PriceChild: yeah. although i probably wouldn't have banned if i didn't know kahrytan as a troll i guess [19:23] but the subsequent refusal to discuss it in other than a private query does quite seem to confirm my troll suspicions [19:23] Did riotkittie come to us in any way? Or is this just from conversation in -offtopic? [19:24] "harassing" basically meant asking about her age, afaicu [19:24] PriceChild, just from conversation. [19:24] ok [19:25] [20:25:31] I got a problem with other ops and log bots [19:25] PriceChild, and in channel [19:26] ompaul, "in channel" being -offtopic? [19:26] y [19:26]