[00:02] <jussi01> PriceChild: got a min?
[00:17] <PriceChild> jussi01, yeah sure
[00:18] <tonyyarusso> PriceChild: what do you mean a script to log hilights?  What crazy client do you use where that's not default?
[00:18] <crdlb> PriceChild: btw that's a script for irssi to give you a proper channel list
[00:19] <tonyyarusso> crdlb: hrm?
[00:19] <PriceChild> tonyyarusso, xchat... I just want to be able to have a little window that gives me all my hilights and channels since i've been away.
[00:19] <PriceChild> crdlb, pfft its gotta be crackful
[00:19] <tonyyarusso> PriceChild: irssi gives you a list in the server window automatically when you /away to come back
[00:19] <PriceChild> tonyyarusso, I know :)
[00:20] <tonyyarusso> PriceChild: I'm a wee bit surprised at XChat...
[00:23] <crdlb> PriceChild: nah not really :)
[00:24]  * Seeker` has a seperate "hilight" window in irssi
[00:24]  * Seeker` hasn't had any hilights yet today :(
[00:25] <jussi01> Seeker`:  :P
[00:25] <Seeker`> woo :P
[00:25] <PriceChild> crdlb, linky?
[00:25]  * jussi01 -> bed
[00:26] <Seeker`> night
[00:30] <crdlb> PriceChild: http://archive.f0rked.com/screenshots/irssi20051016.png
[00:32] <PriceChild> cool, link to that script?
[00:32] <crdlb> http://f0rked.com/articles/irssi
[00:32] <crdlb> search it for "awl"
[00:33] <jdong> PriceChild: you mean marmalade?
[00:33] <nalioth> crdlb: what does that do?
[00:33] <crdlb> adds a window list to show activity instead of the [Act: 2,4,5,9,12,13,42] thing
[00:35] <nalioth> ah
[00:35]  * nalioth has his numbers memorized
[00:35]  * tonyyarusso too, or at least the vast majority of them
[00:35]  * Pici three
[00:35] <crdlb> I used to know them before I started using that script :)
[00:36] <nalioth> does it change the window order?
[00:37] <Seeker`> PriceChild: Also, search for "Hilight Window" on the same page - it gives you a small window at the top of the screen showing only the hilights
[00:37] <PriceChild> Seeker`, I know how to do that bit thanks :)
[00:37] <Seeker`> nalioth: No, but it gives them names, so you have less need to remember them
[00:37] <Seeker`> PriceChild: oh, sorry
[00:37] <nalioth> Seeker`: crdlb: what does it do if you have 83 windows open?
[00:38] <crdlb> takes up half the screen :p
[00:38] <nalioth> right.
[00:38]  * nalioth will stick with his numbers
[00:38] <Seeker`> nalioth: I'm not silly enough to be in that many channels :D
[00:39] <nalioth> well, i go where i'm needed
[00:39] <Seeker`> I dont know how someone could keep track of 83 windows
[00:40]  * jdong wishes irssi would use a hex numbering system to save space :D
[00:40] <Seeker`> heh
[00:40] <Seeker`> my windows go from 1-9, then 0, then q-o, then it starts at 20
[00:41] <Seeker`> I haven't worked out how to select window 20 yet
[00:41] <tonyyarusso> jdong: rofl - it would only save space if you had >100
[00:41] <tonyyarusso> or <16
[00:42] <jdong> tonyyarusso: meh I'm no number theory freak but I think even as long as int(n/10) > int(n/16) you win
[00:42] <nalioth> 0_0
[00:42]  * nalioth just loaded awl
[00:42] <jdong> nalioth: screen shot!
[00:42]  * nalioth just unloaded awl
[00:42] <crdlb> hah
[00:43] <nalioth> not for me, but thanks for the info
[00:43] <PriceChild> haha :)
[00:44] <Seeker`> how do I select window 20?
[00:44] <PriceChild> /win 20
[00:44] <crdlb>  /win 20? :)
[00:44] <nalioth> Seeker`: depends on how you set your client up
[00:44] <crdlb> I use alt+a for getting to those windows a lot
[00:44]  * nalioth can't answer any of those questions, cuz his irssi is not really standard any more . . . .
[00:45]  * Seeker` uses esc+# to get to windows atm
[00:46] <tonyyarusso> jdong: wouldn't that work out to the same as what I said for all hyperion-allowable values of n?
[00:46] <jdong> tonyyarusso: AAAAHH MY HEAD *SMACK*
[00:48]  * tonyyarusso ponders
[00:54] <tonyyarusso> jdong: Nah, your equation is buggy
[00:54] <jdong> tonyyarusso: wouldn't be surprised
[00:54] <no0tic> tonyyarusso, valenzetti equation?
[00:56] <tonyyarusso> jdong: if n=30, int(n/10)=3, int(n/16)=1, 3>1, but the hexadecimal representation (1e) takes the same number of digits to display (2).
[00:57] <jdong> tonyyarusso: ok then I think we need to use log16 vs log10 of n
[00:57] <tonyyarusso> jdong: yeah, in some fashion or another I'm sure it needs a log
[01:01] <no0tic> probably with lastlog you can manage to do something
[01:11] <tonyyarusso> jdong: You gain if int(log(n)/log(10)) < int(log(n)/log(16)) (domain of function is n>0)
[01:12] <tonyyarusso> ie, decimal values 10-15, 100-256, 1000-4096, 10000-65536.
[01:15] <jdong> tonyyarusso: sounds reasonable.
[01:15] <jdong> tonyyarusso: now the question is, what ranges do you lose?
[01:16] <tonyyarusso> jdong: none.  You can only be equal or better.
[01:16] <tonyyarusso> So in that sense, sure, I guess it helps.
[01:18] <jdong> :)
[01:19] <tonyyarusso> Why are we having this discussion again?  :P
[01:21] <jdong> lol
[01:22] <PriceChild> because you are nerds
[01:22] <jdong> tonyyarusso: to pave the way for base64 irssi window numbering :)
[01:22] <jdong> PriceChild: and you aren't.
[01:22] <tonyyarusso> haha
[01:22] <PriceChild> jdong, no, i'm a geek
[01:22] <PriceChild> there is an incredible difference
[01:22]  * Seeker` is a geek, and proud of it
[01:22] <jdong> PriceChild: incredulous difference to me.
[01:22] <PriceChild> jdong, pish posh
[01:22] <jdong> PriceChild: hah another britishism :)
[01:22] <jdong> keep em coming
[01:23] <PriceChild> twss
[01:23] <PriceChild> I thought you'd like it.
[01:23] <jdong> PriceChild: I do :)
[01:26] <Seeker`> whats so good about britishisms?
[01:27] <PriceChild> they're..... british!
[01:27] <Seeker`> jolly good
[01:29] <jdong> smashing good laugh I dare say
[01:29] <Seeker`> tally-ho
[01:34] <nalioth> jimmacdonald: can we help you ?
[01:35] <nalioth> inpho: can we help you?
[01:35] <nalioth> K`Tetch: can we help you?
[01:37] <PriceChild> mhatcher, can we help you?
[01:37]  * MenZa hides behind tonyyarusso
[01:40]  * tonyyarusso gives MenZa a cookie
[01:40] <MenZa> :D
[02:08] <ubotu> FloodBot2 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit)
[02:08] <ubotu> FloodBot3 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit)
[02:08] <ubotu> FloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit)
[02:14] <ctothej> someone test me please
[02:14] <ctothej> and let me know if i can join the chan again
[02:14] <nalioth> did you follow the instructions, ctothej ?
[02:15] <ctothej> yep, port 8001 for pidgin
[02:15] <nalioth> ok
[02:15] <ctothej> anything beyond that?
[02:16] <nalioth> ctothej: you're good to go, thanks for putting up with us  :)
[02:16] <ctothej> sure... thanks
[03:03] <ubotu> ardchoille called the ops in #kubuntu-offtopic (Kr4t05 Wants some attention i here and #kubuntu)
[03:04] <nalioth> taken care of
[03:13] <Hobbsee> thanks nalioth
[04:26] <ubotu> GionnyBoss called the ops in #ubuntu (Anastasia_- sends ads on join)
[04:26] <tonyyarusso> confirmed, removed
[04:29] <nalioth> tonyyarusso: poke us, please
[04:29] <tonyyarusso> nalioth: ah, right.  sorry.
[04:30] <tonyyarusso> nalioth: it looks like a virus/trojan masquerading as porn.
[04:30] <nalioth> i'm not worried about the content, i just want to remove the irritant from the network
[04:30] <nalioth> tonyyarusso: your ban is now removable
[04:30] <tonyyarusso> okay, ty
[07:04] <ubotu> In #ubuntu-bugs, persia said: ubotu: bugsquad is <reply> The Ubuntu BugSquad is the first point of contact for bugs filed about Ubuntu.  For more information, please see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad.  Documentation about processes is available from  http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs.  Also see the /topic of #ubuntu-bugs.
[10:08] <jussi01> good morning all
[15:12] <jussi01> !feisty-#kubuntu
[15:12] <ubotu> Kubuntu 7.04 (Feisty Fawn) is the latest version of Kubuntu. Upgrading to Feisty: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FeistyUpgrades - Downloading: http://www.kubuntu.org/download.php
[15:12] <Tm_T> meh
[15:12] <jussi01> A little out of date...
[15:12] <jussi01> Tm_T: go back to your hole... :P
[15:16] <ubotu> MenZa called the ops in #ubuntu-offtopic (Premium5pam)
[15:17] <Tm_T> mmmmmh
[15:17] <Tm_T> the lonely channel without my powers, oh well :--P
[15:25] <jussi01> Tm_T: that guy in #kubuntu loves you... :P
[15:25] <Tm_T> jussi01: he does
[15:26] <jussi01> hehe... why is it that people get so grumpy?
[15:26] <Tm_T> who knows
[15:27] <Tm_T> jussi01: awww, he quit from irc because of me :(
[15:27] <ubotu> In #ubuntu, demento said: !clone is an application?
[15:41] <Myrtti> merh
[15:42]  * Tm_T pokes Myrtti
[15:42] <jussi01> Myrtti: is that a krapula merh? :P
[15:43] <Myrtti> no, I'm just trying to make myself depressed before I get the news tomorrow that I didn't get the lovely and most wonderful apartment I went to see just now
[15:43] <Myrtti> I know I'm not going to get it
[15:43] <Myrtti> it would be too perfect
[15:43] <jussi01> Myrtti: description?
[15:44] <Myrtti> 33m^2, next to 3K-supermarket, church, library, jogging track and bus stops. Bathroom renovated, view to pine trees, squirrels.
[15:45] <Myrtti> 380 incl. water
[15:45] <jussi01> NICE!
[15:45] <jussi01> in which city?
[15:45] <Myrtti> Tampered
[15:45] <Myrtti> -d
[15:46] <jussi01> nice. I will be down that way at christmas.
[15:46] <jussi01> (the inlaws live in Orivesi)
[15:46] <Myrtti> :-)
[15:46] <Myrtti> not in Nokia :-P
[15:46] <jussi01> :P
[15:46] <jussi01> thankfully
[15:47] <Myrtti> oh, it would be SO loverly if I got that place
[15:48] <Myrtti> it's on the other side of the city from Hervanta, but actually a bus goes straight to the front door of my previous workplace in Hermia
[15:50]  * jussi01 wishes Myrtti good luck
[15:53] <PriceChild> What's she doing?
[15:53] <PriceChild> gonna try and hop on one leg for the rest of the day?
[15:55] <Myrtti> who, me?
[15:55] <Myrtti> no
[15:55] <Myrtti> I went to see an apartment
[15:55] <Seeker`> PriceChild: Will you do that
[15:56] <Seeker`> gah, its too cold in here
[15:56] <Seeker`> my hands are seizing up - I cant type properlyu
[15:56] <Myrtti> get to know if I get it tomorrow
[15:56] <PriceChild> Myrtti, that's boring :/
[15:56] <PriceChild> I think you should go see an apartment while hopping.
[15:56] <PriceChild> And then I would wish you good luck too.
[15:56] <pleia2> hehe
[15:57] <PriceChild> I just don't feel motivated enough if its just any old apartment :/ Sorry.
[15:58] <pleia2> good luck Myrtti :)
[15:58] <Myrtti> PriceChild: it was the most perfectly situated, cheap and lovely apartment
[15:59] <PriceChild> Gonna get it?
[15:59] <Myrtti> even the bathroom had a big window to the pine tree view :-P
[15:59] <PriceChild> haha well that clinches it then
[16:02] <Myrtti> it's not my decision anymore. I wan't it, but it's the landlords choice
[16:02] <Myrtti> I'm not the only one
[16:03] <jussi01> Myrtti: LOL, I love your knitted covers...
[16:04] <Seeker`> Myrtti: how many other people wnat it?
[16:05] <Myrtti> four or five
[16:06] <Myrtti> jussi01: oh yes, I was in the middle of blogging about rsync, tar and split
[16:17] <Myrtti> omg, there's the swimming pools right like, next door :-o
[16:17] <Myrtti> Me Wanna!
[16:17] <Myrtti> ;___;
[16:18] <Seeker`> Myrtti: why *wouldn't* you get it?
[16:19] <Myrtti> miss-spent youth
[16:20] <Seeker`> :(
[16:21] <ikonia> evening guys :D
[16:23] <Seeker`> heya ikonia
[16:23] <Seeker`> hows things on your side of Bath?
[16:28] <ikonia> cold
[16:28] <ikonia> just lit a fire and put family guy on
[16:29] <ikonia> clearing my hang over :)
[16:29] <ikonia> how about you
[16:31] <Seeker`> am also cold - Have turned the heating on. Hopefully it will warm up enough for my finger coordination to get back to what it should be
[16:32] <Seeker`> typing a literature review with cold hands isn't fun :{
[16:32] <ikonia> agreed
[16:32] <Seeker`> woo for coursewrok deadlines
[16:33] <ikonia> ahh to be a student again
[16:33] <Jack_Sparrow> morning ikonia
[16:33] <ikonia> afternoon here
[16:33] <ikonia> but morning to you
[16:33] <Jack_Sparrow> time as always..is relative
[16:34] <ikonia> unless your a time lord or in the matrix
[16:34] <ikonia> I am neither
[16:34] <Jack_Sparrow> I love Dr Who
[16:34] <Jack_Sparrow> fun show
[16:34] <ikonia> certainly is
[16:35] <Seeker`> ikonia: I also have some nasty maths to do
[16:36] <Seeker`> but I have finished 75% of that, and i;m not sure whether the effort required for the last 25% of the work is worth it
[16:36] <ikonia> its always worth it
[16:36] <ikonia> think "first"
[16:36] <Jack_Sparrow> ikonia: I was able to rewrite my stupid vb6 program to run under wine or windows
[16:36] <ikonia> Jack_Sparrow: kudos
[16:37] <Seeker`> ikonia: The maths coursework is worth 25% of unit which is worth 20% of a year which is worth 70% of my degree
[16:37] <Jack_Sparrow> Now my dual booters can backup change edit or get man pages for Ubuntu System files..
[16:37] <ikonia> interesting approach
[16:37] <Jack_Sparrow> Like I said..stupid
[16:38] <Jack_Sparrow> but so are some of my users... 70 - 85 yrs old
[16:38] <Seeker`> and I have completed some of the question, so I should get some marks for it
[16:38] <ikonia> nice to make something fit for purpose
[16:40] <Jack_Sparrow> I found it much easier to teach them how to get around in UB than to keep windows working and bug free
[16:40] <ikonia> my parents use linux for a desktop for their needs and I'm surprised how easy they have adapted to it
[16:42] <Jack_Sparrow> ikonia: I still give my wifes parents windows, just disable the network card in thehardware setup
[16:42] <jpatrick> I've installed Kubuntu on my family's computers
[16:53] <PriceChild> inpho, K`Tetch mhatcher, Can we help you?
[17:06] <Tm_T> SWAT: hi how can we help you?
[17:07] <SWAT> Tm_T, hi. It's unusual to be greated like this. ATM you can't help me. I'm an op for the dutch channel, hence I joined
[17:07] <Tm_T> SWAT: shame :(
[17:08] <SWAT> really, it's a sunday evening (over here at least), take the time to relax and enjoy yourself.
[17:09] <Tm_T> SWAT: ah, you apparently have missed our inside joke :))
[17:09] <SWAT> the sarcastic undertone?
[17:09] <Tm_T> mmm, no
[17:10] <SWAT> I have just returned from a stressfull weekend, so please excuse when I'm not at the top of my game
[17:10] <Tm_T> just tried to make you bit confused :)
[17:11] <SWAT> keep on trying ;)
[17:11] <Tm_T> meh
[17:12] <Tm_T> SWAT: I could hug you if I were that kind of person
[17:48] <ubotu> macaholic called the ops in #ubuntu (wols)
[17:49] <macaholic> Wols was talking dirt.
[17:49] <ompaul> macaholic, rubbish in some ways
[17:49] <LjL> macaholic, perhaps wols is a little... so... but, i don't see how calling !ops was warranted
[17:49] <ompaul> macaholic, don't call ops
[17:50] <ompaul> unless the channel is under attack and remember
[17:50] <LjL> he said "go away", that's not entirely polite i agree, but
[17:50] <ompaul> !patience
[17:50] <ubotu> The people here are volunteers, your attitude should reflect that. Answers are not always available. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[17:50] <macaholic> I cannot use apt-get, this is my second reinstall.,
[17:50] <macaholic> This is a productivity machine.
[17:51] <ompaul> this is not a help channel
[17:52] <ompaul> you were removed from the help channel - for abusing the !ops and someone telling you to go away is not an emergency in my books
[17:53] <LjL> macaholic, i'd have refused to help you with your problem too until i'd see the full apt-get output. it might seem irrelevant to you, but perhaps a single output line, without the context of which packages were being installed etc, can be quite meaningless unless perhaps you're some APT guru of kinds
[17:53] <macaholic> He didn't want to help me just because I didn't paste the lines that said what packages I wanted to install and which ones installed successfully.
[17:53] <ompaul> !paste
[17:53] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[17:53] <ompaul> macaholic, ^^ fill that out with the required details
[17:54] <ompaul> macaholic, so it seems you know how you did not help the person who is willing to help if you tell them what they want to know
[17:54] <ompaul> macaholic, how does that look if you stand on the other side of the fence?
[17:55] <macaholic> (list of packages wanting to be installed)
[17:55] <macaholic> Do you want to continue?  Yes
[17:55] <macaholic> (Get lines)
[17:55] <macaholic> Fetched 37MB in 3m23s (183kB/s)
[17:55] <macaholic> E: Internal Error, Could not perform immediate configuration (2) on libpam-runtime
[17:55] <macaholic> Is the output.
[17:55] <macaholic> I don't need to tell him what I am or am not installing.
[17:56] <ompaul> that is your call - not his I take it, and as you don't meet his criteria I think he is within his rights to say no
[17:56] <LjL> says who?
[17:56] <LjL> if i google that error, for instance, i see (in debian)
[17:57] <LjL> "This is generally a badly constructed CD set with interdependencies between the binary disks in the set. It's not supported.
[17:57] <LjL> just an example, but this seems like for instance one *would* like to know the full output, including whatever you were installing
[17:58] <Myrtti> and no, this still usn't the help channel
[18:00] <LjL> he's probably uninstalled dpkg
[18:01] <ompaul> ooch
[18:01] <ompaul> how many languages can you say "I hate that" in?
[18:02] <LjL> i hate that, ich hasse es, jag hatar det, lo odio, lo odio
[18:03] <Myrtti> vihaan sitä
[18:03] <ompaul> ;-)
[18:04] <LjL> elvish doesn't count
[18:04] <ompaul> LjL, the winnnnnaaaaaaaaa
[18:05] <no0tic> hi LjL!! howdy?
[18:05] <LjL> tired, but ok
[18:05] <LjL> you?
[18:06] <no0tic> fine, no news at all, btw
[18:06] <no0tic> your wrist?
[18:06] <LjL> better. haven't used a computer for a couple of days, that seemed to help :)
[18:06] <LjL> well, i *have* used my a500+, but just to play pinball fantasies
[18:07] <ikonia> LjL: a500 ! do you have moonstone ?
[18:07] <LjL> nope, i had (and have) very few games really
[18:07] <ikonia> find it ;)
[18:08] <ikonia> LjL: are you running workbench 4 ?
[18:08] <LjL> well i can't use the amiga anymore now though :)
[18:08] <LjL> ikonia, uh? it's a 500+. 1 meg ram. 68000 7 mhz.
[18:08] <LjL> besides, i would never even touch os 4 :)
[18:08] <LjL> AROS at best
[18:08] <no0tic> :)
[18:09] <LjL> the 500+ has got wb 2.04, although i have got 2.1 later
[18:09] <ikonia> I've got wb4 here, but I've not got around to running it
[18:09] <LjL> what hardware?
[18:10] <ikonia> a1200
[18:10] <ikonia> but I planned to run it in an emulator rather than setup the kit
[18:11] <ikonia> just to see wb4
[18:11] <ikonia> I'm just curious
[18:11] <LjL> ah well now there are indeed some PPC emulators good enough to allow trying that
[18:11] <LjL> although i'm not sure there's any emulator with specific support for Amiga emulation
[18:11] <ikonia> I'm just interested in what the have happened
[18:11] <LjL> so one would have to twiddle a bit i suppose
[18:12] <ikonia> LjL: there are a few amiga emultors out there
[18:12] <LjL> ikonia, there's basically just UAE (and WinFellow for games)
[18:12] <LjL> and UAE never emulated a PPC
[18:12] <ikonia> I thought there was another too
[18:12] <ikonia> ahhh I see
[18:12] <LjL> amigaos 4 doesn't run on 68k
[18:13] <ikonia> I've not followed it at all, I got given it by a friend who used to be big on the demo sense and just thought I'd try it for interest
[18:13] <LjL> you need a PPC emulator... there's QEmu, PearPC (still around?), and perhaps some others
[18:13] <ikonia> pear is still around
[18:13] <LjL> still i don't think it'd be trivial to trick os 4 into believing it's running on amiga hardware
[18:14] <ikonia> no, I guess you may be right
[18:14] <ikonia> I'll do a little research before diving in
[18:14] <LjL> anyway, as far as i know, there's nothing *particularly* exciting
[18:14] <LjL> no memory protection, for starters
[18:14] <LjL> and that's currently the one show-stopper as far as amigaos & clones go, IMHO
[18:14] <LjL> check out www.aros.org rather
[18:14] <ikonia> I shall
[18:17] <LjL> that can run hosted in linux (actually, it's the way it's mostly run by its developers), and it crashes very well
[18:18] <ikonia> ha ha ha
[18:20] <rodserling> Hey, can I get tested for #ubuntu? Thanks
[18:21] <ompaul> rodserling, we'll think about it over the next min or so ;-)
[18:24] <LjL> rodserling: sorted
[18:24] <tomaw> +b *!*@pi3!*@*!#ubuntu-read-topic <- hehe
[18:25] <LjL> ahum...
[18:25] <rodserling> Yeah!!!
[18:25] <ompaul> rodserling, sorry I got called to one side as I started to set up
[18:25] <ompaul> LjL, good catch
[18:26] <LjL> i didn't catch anything, i unbanned pi3 by mistake and then re-banned with the wrong syntax :)
[18:26] <ompaul> LjL, rodserling was a catch I thought
[18:27] <LjL> i thought rodserling was an irc user
[18:27] <rodserling> I almost got away
[18:27] <ompaul> hahahaaha
[19:01] <LjL> follow-up from #ubuntu-offtopic ban, in PM:
[19:01] <LjL> [19:58:13] <kahrytan> I did stop asking didnt I? geeze.
[19:01] <LjL> [19:59:55] <kahrytan> Ask her.  I didnt even msg her again. And CoC does not have the word 'harrassment' so I am right.
[19:01] <LjL> [20:00:45] <LjL> you really asked for it in other ways. make your case in -ops if you want, though i suggest you wait a little while before doing it
[19:01] <LjL> ("so i am right", yup)
[19:02] <LjL> btw, kahrytan has trolled previously, to my knowledge.
[19:03] <ikonia> always handy to know
[19:07] <ompaul> LjL, was that today
[19:07] <LjL> ten minutes ago
[19:07] <ompaul> or last evening
[19:07] <ompaul> the ban
[19:07] <LjL> yes, ten minutes ago
[19:08] <LjL> [20:03:03] <kahrytan> Im just saying CoC doesnt specify it. and it can be updated to meet it. [20:05:01] <kahrytan> So you banned me partyl because I state a flaw in the CoC [20:06:10] <LjL> we all seemed pretty much convinced that the CoC does cover it ("be respectful", for starters). i banned you for arguing that you were "right" rather than just apologizing. but i'm really not supposed to discuss this in PM. come to -ops if you like. [20:07:23]
 lol Be Respectful is reason why I stopped asking.
[19:09] <ompaul> just looked - my reaction is: your conversation was not respectful, you can contemplate that for a while - we'll work out the duration later
[19:09] <ompaul> later is later
[19:09] <ompaul> inviting them here
[19:10] <ompaul> kahrytan> No thanks.
[19:10] <ompaul> so I guess that answers that
[19:11] <LjL> so does the refusal to answer my own invites
[19:11] <LjL> [20:09:25] <kahrytan> I dont see need for channel discussion. We're having civil conversation.
[19:11] <LjL> typical troll argument
[19:11] <LjL> why can't channel discussion be just as civil, one wonders?
[19:12] <ompaul> that calls for zero response
[19:12] <LjL> indeed
[19:12] <LjL> ahaha
[19:12] <Daviey> 19:12:28 <+ompaul>  Zero # :D
[19:12] <LjL> [20:12:34] <kahrytan> If you insist in talking in a channel, then goto #kahrytan. Otherwise, I'm not going to -ops.
[19:13] <nalioth> invite them to ##moderation
[19:13] <ompaul> LjL, that again calls for no reply
[19:13] <LjL> nalioth: why on earth? what's wrong with #ubuntu-ops?
[19:13] <ompaul> nalioth, ohh no not that ;-)
[19:13] <nalioth> LjL: ##moderation is neutral
[19:13] <LjL> nalioth, he refused to *check* if we'd be neutral.
[19:15] <nalioth> well, #kahrytan is his channel and -ops is ours.  ##moderation is a neutral channel
[19:16] <nalioth> which is why it exists
[19:16] <LjL> and #ubuntu-ops is the place where one should first come to appeal a ban
[19:16] <LjL> anyway, i invited him to ##moderation
[19:17] <LjL> [20:17:07] <kahrytan> I got a problem with that too.
[19:17] <LjL> i'm not replying anymore.
[19:17] <ikonia> most interesting
[19:18] <ikonia> query, if someone choses to behave like this, why would one attempt to tempt him to appeal the ban ?
[19:18] <nalioth> let them stay banned
[19:18] <ikonia> surly if someone want to be unbanned they must meet the ubuntu policy/procedure ?
[19:18] <ikonia> ahh ok, I was just querying that
[19:22] <PriceChild> Anyone give me a one line explanation of the kahrytan thing? Harrassing riotkittie in pm?
[19:23] <LjL> PriceChild: yeah. although i probably wouldn't have banned if i didn't know kahrytan as a troll i guess
[19:23] <LjL> but the subsequent refusal to discuss it in other than a private query does quite seem to confirm my troll suspicions
[19:23] <PriceChild> Did riotkittie come to us in any way? Or is this just from conversation in -offtopic?
[19:24] <LjL> "harassing" basically meant asking about her age, afaicu
[19:24] <LjL> PriceChild, just from conversation.
[19:24] <PriceChild> ok
[19:25] <LjL> [20:25:31] <kahrytan> I got a problem with other ops and log bots
[19:25] <ompaul> PriceChild, and in channel
[19:26] <PriceChild> ompaul, "in channel" being -offtopic?
[19:26] <ompaul> y
[19:26] <PriceChild> did you just try to tab-complete "yes"? :P
[19:26] <LjL> PriceChild: edited logs for your convenience http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/47582/
[19:26] <nalioth> what other ops and log bots are in ##moderation?
[19:26] <ompaul> no I am eating
[19:26] <nalioth> leave him banned
[19:26] <LjL> nalioth: he won't know until he joins, i suppose
[19:26] <PriceChild> LjL, yup went through -offtopic thanks.
[19:27] <LjL> he just doesn't want to know i also suppose
[19:28] <ompaul> I think I removed him last evening for similar but very early on in his thinking so to speak
[19:32] <ompaul> na twas not him
[19:33]  * ompaul wonders at ompauls memory
[19:48] <PriceChild> ompaul, who is STFU.or.you.will.find.my.foot.in.y0ur-ass.us ?
[19:48] <nalioth> PriceChild: where do you see that?
[19:48] <ompaul> no idea but that is as good as a bad quit message
[19:48] <ompaul> nalioth, #ubuntu
[19:49] <ompaul> llnk was the user
[19:49] <PriceChild> Ah I see him
[19:50] <nalioth> lovely
[19:51] <PriceChild> I think elcasey a regular in #ubuntuforums as rm-rf.us
[19:52] <jdong> PriceChild: yeah, before that he had some colourful ones too
[19:52] <PriceChild> ah yes
[19:52] <PriceChild> those were threatenned against me a little iirc
[19:52] <jdong> so it might not be intentional
[19:52] <PriceChild> pardon?
[19:52] <jdong> PriceChild: the way I understood it, it was a randomly assigned bouncer hostname
[19:52] <PriceChild> oh no
[19:52] <PriceChild> he chose it
[19:53] <nalioth> that was definitely NOT randomly assigned
[19:54]  * ikonia notes down the best excuse "that was randomly assigned by my isp"
[19:54] <jdong> haha
[19:56] <PriceChild> I think I'm going to start referring to Canonical as ¢anonical.
[19:57] <Seeker`> ¢aN°N1¢aŁ
[19:57] <PriceChild> Not quite what I meant
[19:59] <jdong> KNonikal for all you Kubuntu supporters.
[20:00]  * PriceChild head desks
[20:00] <ompaul> Seeker`, so nice of you to care
[20:01] <ompaul> ¢ænøn→¢æł is not what he meant either
[20:23] <Myrtti> i wan't ops at -offtopic
[20:23] <Myrtti> now
[20:25] <Myrtti> want, even
[21:10]  * rob hazards a guess that Ubotu is just supybot running with some custom plugins that Seveas wrote having taken a look at what was pulled down from bzr
[21:11] <Seveas> yup
[21:12] <rob> Seveas, so you just stuck everything into the plug-ins directory for supybot? What did you do with the stuff sitting in the main directory (the web stuff)?
[21:12] <Seveas> code for that lives in plugins/
[21:12] <Seveas> data/config is accessible for the one taking over
[21:12] <rob> ah okay, so supybot has its own webserver?
[21:12] <Seveas> no, it's html and cgi served by apache
[21:13] <rob> oh okay.
[21:34] <dmcglone> X you here?
[21:34] <stdin> dmcglone: evading bans, then bragging about it is not a good thing to do
[21:34] <dmcglone> do I look like I need advise from you stdin?
[21:35] <stdin> depends, do you want to get back into #kubuntu ?
[21:36] <dmcglone> first I wasn't bragging about it, second I got banned for trying to show somebody something
[21:36] <dmcglone> thats why I was laughing about it
[21:36] <stdin> I know why you got banned, I set the ban
[21:37] <Myrtti> sad
[21:37] <stdin> and if you got removed for it the first time, why do it again?
[21:37] <dmcglone> you talking about the first time I typed it?
[21:38] <dmcglone> it's funny how I got banned for asking a stupid question, but that dude was cussing like a druken sailor and he didn't get banned
[21:38] <stdin> yes, you abused the bot and were using bad language so you were removed, then you did it again so were banned
[21:39] <stdin> the 2nd time you did it, you said "<dmcglone> I got kicked the other day for this:"
[21:39] <stdin> so you have no excuse for it
[21:39] <Myrtti> even sadder
[21:40] <dmcglone> oh so if I acknowledge why I got kicked, but someone else can cuss all day it's ok?
[21:40] <stdin> that person was warned and stopped
[21:40] <stdin> you were warned the first time, then persisted
[21:41] <Myrtti> someone else's misbehaviour don't make your any more exceptable
[21:41] <PriceChild> dmcglone, others' behaviour is NO excuse for your own.
[21:41] <dmcglone> Ah I guess.
[21:41] <Myrtti> accept.. oh whatever
[21:41] <Myrtti> me, bed. todeloo fellas
[21:42] <dmcglone> want me to ask for forgivness?
[21:42] <stdin> dmcglone: please read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[21:43] <dmcglone> why did you bring me in here in the first place?
[21:44] <dmcglone> because I was laughing about getting banned?
[21:44] <stdin> because otherwise you'd have reconnected in a day or two and tried to get back in to #kubuntu
[21:44] <stdin> like you did this time
[21:45] <dmcglone> Oh so your saying I can't go back in there at all?
[21:45] <stdin> not if you don't agree to abide by the guidelines, if you do then I have no problem letting you back in
[21:46] <stdin> all I ask is that you read the guidelines and agree to abide by them
[21:46] <dmcglone> I have read them, but you took me out of #kubuntu because I was laughing about it.
[21:47] <stdin> no, I took you out because the original ban was still in place as well
[21:50] <stdin> dmcglone: so you agree to abide by those guidelines?
[21:52] <dmcglone> I always did
[21:52] <stdin> obviously not, as the guidelines do say not to abuse the bot and not to use bad language
[21:53] <stdin> as long as you agree not to do either, I'll unban you
[21:53] <dmcglone> Hmmm was I the only one?
[21:53] <stdin> only one for what?
[21:54] <dmcglone> I asked if I was the only 1 that used bad language in there
[21:54] <stdin> no, but you were the only one to have been asked not to prior to that
[21:54] <dmcglone> No I wasn't, and what I said was mild to what I seen, yet I'm the one that gets the 3rd degree
[21:55] <stdin> as others have said, others behaviour is no excuse
[21:55] <dmcglone> I guess your right
[21:56] <Seveas> good guess :)
[21:57] <stdin> dmcglone: ok, you can rejoin #kubuntu now
[21:57] <dmcglone> I'm wondering if I should
[21:58] <stdin> your choice
[21:59] <dmcglone> I'm afraid you will kick my butt if I do ;-)
[22:00] <stdin> as long as you abide by the guidelines, I'll have no reason to :)
[22:00] <dmcglone> we both know I could just change my name and IP and be on in no time. LOL
[22:00] <dmcglone> LOL
[22:01] <Seveas> and you'll be gone again in no time if you misbheave :)
[22:01] <dmcglone> I'm just pulling your leg
[22:01] <dmcglone> LOL
[22:01] <dmcglone> are we good?
[22:01] <Seveas> I'm good, don't know about you :)
[22:01] <dmcglone> I'm too old for this sh.... ah cought myself
[22:02] <dmcglone> anyway, it's cool. I'm cool
[22:02]  * LjL puts on his glasses
[22:02] <LjL> oh i was right! it's a troll!
[22:02] <ikonia> LjL: your spotting tallent is strong tonight
[22:02] <dmcglone> LjL nah i'm not a troll, i'm just sitting here getting the 3rd and acting stupid
[22:03] <LjL> which is certainly what this channel is for, yes?
[22:03] <LjL> also, it's kind of a new level of trollage... to keep trolling and threatening ban evasion *after* the ban is lifted
[22:03] <LjL> when i was young, trolls actually pretended to be happy with their ban being lifted
[22:03] <ikonia> the bar has been raised
[22:03] <LjL> then acted ok for a couple of days
[22:04] <LjL> and then started trolling again
[22:04] <LjL> but now just after being banned
[22:04] <LjL> nto
[22:04] <LjL> n. o. t.
[22:04] <dmcglone> I got banned for showing something that I was banned for. LOL
[22:04] <LjL> wee recursive ban
[22:04] <ikonia> why is that funny
[22:04] <LjL> hope that's not too much of a strain on the servers
[22:04] <dmcglone> it was stupid on my part, but hey some people have to lead by example
[22:05] <dmcglone> ikonia, I think it's funny because I'm way too old to care.
[22:05] <dmcglone> and I think it was funny also because it was stupid on my part
[22:06] <LjL> yeah, at 15 you begin trolling out of habit rather than actually being thrilled at it as you are at 14
[22:06] <dmcglone> for doing it 2 times!
[22:06] <LjL> but, do you have any further issues to bring to us?
[22:06] <dmcglone> am I supposed to leave?
[22:06] <Seveas> yes, this is not an idling channel
[22:07] <LjL> well, yes
[22:07] <dmcglone> but I was brought here?
[22:07] <dmcglone> LOL
[22:07] <dmcglone> OK
[22:07] <dmcglone> i'm kidding
[22:07] <dmcglone> I'll leave, unless you would like to kick me?
[22:07] <dmcglone> LOL bye
[22:07] <LjL> gah, he was too fast
[22:08] <stdin> you can catch him in #k ;)
[22:08] <LjL> yeah i know, i just got a new highlight
[22:08] <LjL> (yay, now more than 50% of messages trigger me a highlight)
[22:14] <nalioth> LjL: i suspect you need to reorder your highlights  :(
[22:14] <LjL> reorder as in priorities, or reorder as in remove some, or both?
[22:15] <LjL> something that makes me suspicious is that i often get highlighted and have no idea why
[22:15] <LjL> and browsing through the list is a bit too cumbersome, what with there being no search function
[22:15] <nalioth> i suspect if you reprioritize, you'll remove some of the highlights
[22:16] <LjL> i suspect you're right
[23:25] <ubotu> posingaspopular called the ops in #ubuntu-us ()
[23:27] <ubotu> In ubotu, bluefoxx said: !nethack-gnome is nethack