[00:05] does anyone know how to set up internet sharing in xubuntu? [00:05] Like dc++? [00:06] no [00:06] like windows ICS [00:06] What's that? (*googles*) [00:07] im not sure if this old laptop will boot up from the live cd of gparted....whats the requriments for it ??? [00:09] internet connection sharing [00:11] booster614: "GParted LiveCD runs on most x86 machines with a celeron 500mhz or better. [00:11] The minimal amount of memory I have tested is 64MO." [00:12] i have a 233 mhz pII with 64mb ram [00:13] echosystem: Yes I saw that, I haven't planned to use Xubuntu like a that so I haven't looked at those functions. [00:14] booster: give it a try? (if you do not want to re-de format/partitioning/install or re-install/partition [00:14] *re-do [00:14] *redo [00:14] =) [00:20] so.. [00:20] anyone got any ideas about internet connection sharing? [00:21] ... It's pretty dead today/tonight here... [00:22] echosystm, what do you mean like using a router or a hub [00:22] Correction... [00:23] my xubuntu computer has two network cards [00:24] well... eth0 and wireless (ath0) [00:24] echosystm, which one are you using [00:24] im connecting my windows computer to this computer via eth0 [00:24] ath0 is the internet [00:24] eth0 is the "lan" [00:24] i know you can do this via iptables/ipmasq and all that [00:25] but, im just wondering if there is an easy gui tool to do it [00:26] Hello. Does xubuntu 7.10 have an update notifier? [00:26] How can I do something about the screwed up locales? [00:26] yes swhalen, xubuntu does have an update notifier [00:27] go to add/remove, preferences, updates, and enable the ones you want it to check for [00:27] echosystm, im not sure how to do what you need but yea im pretty sure it can be done [00:27] by default? I remember older versions did not [00:27] (10:57:22) echosystm: go to add/remove, preferences, updates, and enable the ones you want it to check for [00:27] ;) [00:28] swhalen, all versions have an update notifier but if your using the root account it wont show up [00:29] is there a way to turn an existing install into an OEM..i didnt know it existed until it was too late :( [00:31] good evening [00:31] Xubuntu can show resolutions higher than 800x600, right? [00:32] Rafabe, yes im using 1200x1050 [00:32] how far up can it go? [00:33] Rafabe, i believe if your monitor supports it about 1900x???? [00:33] ok, thanks [00:33] i think once i install updated drivers, it will give me the option to go above 800x600, then? [00:34] another question: how do I change the system font, and font size (which governs how the desktop is displayed)? [00:34] the default is quite small === Pumpernickle is now known as Pumpernickel [00:37] have you looked at the window manageer tweaks in applications > settings > window manager tweaks [00:40] i hadn't, I only looked in Desktop settings. But I did look now, and do not see font options. There's one that lets me select "title font" but after modifying it, it doesn't change the system font [00:41] found it, it's User Interface settings [00:41] yea [00:42] hope it works [00:42] is there a tutorial for installing restricted drivers? Like if I want to download and install the latest videocard drivers so I can use resolutions higher than 800x600? [00:50] if you look in apps > settings > restricted drivers it should be there but only if your motherboard supports it [00:50] if that doesnt work there is another way as well [00:50] id look at the first one [00:50] there is no Restricted Drivers. And my mobo supports it because that's what I had in Windows. I ran at liek 1600x1200 [00:51] found it under Apps > System [00:52] i saw the ATI driver there, says Not Enabled. I tried to enable it and it says: the software source for the package xorg-driver-fglrx is not enabled" [00:52] ok well do in a terminal "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" but be care ful because im not sure the exact command for the resolution read carefully and use the defaults if you dont know what should be there when you get to the resolution part press spacebar on the res you want but dont go too high or it will carash, you may need to set the colors to 16bit [00:53] hmm well try to enable that then before you do the command in terminal [00:53] you may need a restart as well [00:53] i did, and it spat out that error message [00:53] after you enable it in restricted drivers [00:53] hmm have you tried the command i gave you [00:53] hang on [00:54] ok but be careful use the defaults when necessary [00:54] allright, following the xserver-xorg wizard as we speak [00:57] it's now asking me which port my mouse is using. I got the choice between 5 things. I'm tempted to pick /dev/input/mice [00:57] would that be right? [00:57] the others are /dev/psaux /ttys0 /tts0 /gpmdata [00:58] the first one should be right [00:58] the /dev one [00:59] aha, now it's offering me a huge list of resolutions :P [00:59] Rafabe, ok so id suggest using the 1200 or 1400 because if you go to high it may not work [01:00] also if for some reason it doesnt work try using 16 bit color, when i did this i had to use 16 bit [01:00] i picked 1400x1050 [01:01] ok that should work [01:01] i don't see the new resolutions as available under Apps > Settings > Screen And Graphics. Should I restart? [01:01] yes restart i dont see my res under that either but it still works [01:01] also, I selected 24-bit...I can run it again [01:01] well see if it works anyways [01:01] ok [01:02] if it doesnt try it again at 16 bit [01:02] i still have yet to test all the solutions [01:02] these things I'm changing, are they unique to XFCE? Or would the configuration be identical on Gnome? [01:03] let's say I had the same questions but for the Gnome desktop, would you tell me the same things? [01:04] still in 800x600. I'll run it again and set it to 16-bit. [01:05] ok 16 may work gnome and xfce are alomost the same in every way xfce is just smaller and a few less features but is better for more experienced users [01:06] the command works for both, if it doesnt work the people in #ubuntu may know better since it it mainly based on gnome [01:06] so i mean if you need help with gnome #ubuntu is the answer [01:06] thanks for your help [01:08] no problem the thinks i tell you work for me and a large number of others so if for some reason they dont work for you im not sure how to fix it [01:08] id try to give you as much help as i can [01:13] <_slvmchn_> isn't the bit depth settings part of xorg.conf? which would mean it's consistent with any window manager? [01:13] <_slvmchn_> be it xfce, gnome, kde, flux... [01:13] <_slvmchn_> i might be wrong but i think that's the case [01:17] what about Network Settings? If I need help setting up my wireless connection, can I ask in #Ubuntu? Or is it different? [01:22] Rafabe, herer is fine but it is so slow id go to #ubuntu [01:23] _slvmchn_, yes you are right is was only saying gnome has more features and xfce is more simple [01:24] _slvmchn_, for some reason some window managers will set the res higher and for some reason xfce sets it real low [01:42] anyway way to configure samba with out having to add users? [01:42] it's for a home server I don't want to have to use a password? [01:44] hmm never mind I realised the share can be made available to all users :) [01:47] * booster614 farts [01:51] What is the delete command in terminal? [01:51] (for deleting a file) [01:51] rm [01:52] thanks === rob1 is now known as rob [02:07] OK, now I have went through the ubuntu install for WACOM, but there is no mention of how to set up the pen (except in GIMP that is). [02:44] I need to buy a wireless router and adapter, preferably cheap that will work with xubuntu 7.10? [02:55] can anyone help me with fceu-server? [03:12] YES! I did it. [03:13] Xubuntu sessions: are they suppose to remember what programs were open on what desktops? [03:13] *are they not [03:14] Everytime I restart, and if there are programs open in different workspaces, after restart they are all jammd into workspace 1. Is that normal? [03:32] <_slvmchn_> hmm i don't know [03:32] <_slvmchn_> that doesn't sound right though [03:32] It's also annoying... =( [03:32] <_slvmchn_> try stickying the windows [03:32] <_slvmchn_> i forget if xfce can do that [03:32] yes it can. [03:32] <_slvmchn_> it should keep it on that workspace [03:33] <_slvmchn_> for windows you want kept on their workspace [03:33] <_slvmchn_> sticky them [03:33] <_slvmchn_> then try rebooting [03:33] <_slvmchn_> or even just logging off and back on [03:33] <_slvmchn_> see if they go back to workspace 1 [03:33] I'll give that a try. W8. [03:33] <_slvmchn_> ok i'll be here [03:35] <_slvmchn_> did it work? [03:35] No, everyhting was sent back to workspace1... [03:35] does anyone here use Xubuntu in a non-English language? [03:35] <_slvmchn_> hmm [03:35] <_slvmchn_> check the workspace settings [03:35] .. And I got an internal system error message... [03:35] <_slvmchn_> maybe there's a toggle for that somewhere [03:35] someting about HAL [03:35] <_slvmchn_> hunh wierd [03:35] <_slvmchn_> don't know anything about that [03:35] <_slvmchn_> maybe it's related to something you had open [03:36] I just installed Wineso I figure it's related to that.. [03:36] <_slvmchn_> i don't know, i feel like for me xubuntu would keep them on their respective workspaces but i can't remember for sure [03:36] I've been in the settings (remember session and so on) [03:37] <_slvmchn_> strange, don't know what to tell you [03:37] <_slvmchn_> ask in #xfce [03:38] ... And know my sound died... [03:40] OK, now all is fixed. Iäll ask in #xfce about that thanks m8. [03:52] I need a software that let's me scroll with the inou device button (e.g. the right click button of the mouse), does anyone know what I could search for? [03:54] There's middle-mouse button emulation built into X - it lets you use the left/right buttons simultaneously to imitate the middle button. Is that enough? [03:55] I'll check it out, where do I find it? [03:55] Pumpernickel, it doesnt let you scroll though [03:55] Is it the accessibility thingy? [03:56] http://ftp.x.org/pub/X11R6.9.0/doc/html/mouse.4.html [03:56] soldats: There's another option for that. [03:56] userXubuntu: That link shows the changes you'd need to make to xorg.conf. [03:56] really i never saw it [03:57] Thanks... Sort of... ;) [03:57] i might try it as well eventhough i dont need it [03:57] (I'm not use to this stuff) [03:59] hi my system is buggered any idea how to fix it ... [03:59] http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/47496/ [04:01] Oh, I think I get it, I will just add the option to my config... [04:08] shit laptop locked up :s [04:08] so any idea what might be causing the problem [04:09] E: Internal Error, Could not perform immediate configuration (2) on libpam-runtime [04:12] Do I need to reboot for the settings to take effect? [04:12] yes [04:14] Oh... Then I better do this right. [04:17] Reboot, no. Restart X, yes. [04:17] How do I do that? [04:17] Ctrl + alt + backspace; it ends your session, so use with care. [04:18] Oh, I'm fmiliar with that one... I thought it restartet the entire system though. [04:19] Isn't it enough to log ot/in? [04:21] no becaue it wont restart x [04:21] ok [04:22] close save everything and do ctrl alt backspace [04:22] Did you get it to work? (the mouse emo?) [04:22] tehlam3: You seem to have, somehow, uninstalled dpkg. You'll probably need a livecd, chroot'd into your current install, to reinstall it. [04:23] hmm bit problematic without cdrom drive :s [04:24] OK, I'm giving this a try... What did you say, ctrl+alt+... [04:25] tehlam3: You may be able to get dpkg working without installing it, but that's the kind of workaround that usually ends in pain. [04:27] Pumpernickel: ok i thought it might end like that :s thx anyway [04:27] Well, I must have done it wrong... I'll work on this. But I got another "Internal error: failed to initialize HAL!" mssage, what's that? [04:43] Well, the short story: the em works with the mouse (middle button+up/down emulates scroll) I'm having problems implementing this for my wacom mouse... [04:45] didnt that page have a section on wacom support [04:46] It does? [04:47] Where did you see that? [04:47] oh woops sorry it doesnt but i glanced over and at the end of the xorg file it said wacom support i wasnt paying too close attention [04:47] Oh... [04:52] http://linuxwacom.sourceforge.net/index.php/howto/inputdev for those that care... [04:53] <_slvmchn_> did you figure out that workspace issue? [04:53] <_slvmchn_> on boot [04:54] No, it was pretty dead at #xfce too... [04:54] Although... I did reboot... I better check there again... [04:55] what was your workspace issue [04:56] It remembers what programs that were pene, but opens them all on workspace 1 (instead of the workspaces they were active in)- [04:59] i think its a common issue since when you reboot the focus is on the first wrkspace and will usually open all apps in it. [05:06] I'll try to have focus on another wrkspace on the next reboot to see what happens. [05:07] ok [05:08] its how it works for me and friends of mine so i assume thats how it should be [05:08] It will be a while until my next reboot, but I'll rapport in on what happened ;) [05:09] ok rad [05:22] Rebooted, while on wrksp 2, the same... [05:35] How do I change "AC" in the mouse option? [05:36] (I want button 2 to b right click and button 3 to be middle click) [06:15] I can't get the "EmulateWheel" to work with wacom, is there any software fpr linux that emulates mouseWheel? (something like mouseImp) [06:19] What is a daemon? [06:19] Nevermind I can google for that... === auskadi is now known as aussieman [07:51] hi [07:52] i tried running xubuntu liveCD, but it prompted me for password [07:52] username and password that is, I tried root/root [07:52] but I think it is not a valid user [11:33] Hello. Is there a way to select multiple icons on the desktop (like drag with the mouse)? The only way I found is to control click the icons. I can select multiple files within folders though. [11:42] Lareth: desktop is handled by a different program, there is no way [11:42] Lareth: you can go to your home and then to Desktop directory though [13:14] hello world [13:15] Do you see problems with xfce-terminal? [13:21] someone? [13:21] please [13:24] sebastw: i.e. Xserver restarts when you launch xfce4-terminal [13:24] ? [13:25] no [13:25] just very slow to maximize, minimize [13:26] just this application [13:26] xfce-terminal [13:27] sebastw: try dabling transparency [13:28] no effect [13:29] http://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2818 maybe [13:29] XFCE bug 2818 in general "terminal exhibits very slow redraw on some systems if the compositor is not used" [Normal,Assigned] [13:30] hum [13:33] ok i enabled composite [13:33] nee restart X [13:33] see you later [14:39] hi there [14:40] i just installed xubuntu on my laptop [14:40] and i cant find anywhere to set up my wireless network card [14:40] driver/hardware, not the network settings [14:47] proxim1: do you know what chipset the card is? [14:48] not sure, its detected as a broadcom though [14:48] but that driver wont work [14:48] http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ try pasting lspci -n here [14:49] some broadcom work with ndiswrapper no? [14:50] ive had it running in xubuntu before, but cant remember if it was with ndiswrapper [14:50] checking that lcpci thingy [14:50] ls* [14:52] it says broadcom allright [14:53] bcm43xx [14:54] hi [14:55] yesterday i installed xubuntu, and it seemed to work fine. I shutdown/reset several times, the system booted up with no problem. before going to sleep, i did a shutdown from the menu, and now XFCE seems to have problems. It won't load the desktop icons, and most of the application shortcuts don't work. The Network Manager, for example, auto-closes as soon as I click on a connection to select its properties [14:55] proxim1: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx/Gutsy looks promising [14:55] any advice on what I can do to fix this? Or why it even happened? This computer is meant for mom, I need to make sure this doesn't happen again. [14:57] thruxton: brb im coming online on that machine insteac [14:57] instead [14:58] Rafabe: thats doesn't sound too good. you might have more luck in #xfce though [14:58] allright,thanks [14:59] 00:00.0 0600: 8086:3575 (rev 04) [14:59] 00:01.0 0604: 8086:3576 (rev 04) [14:59] 00:1d.0 0c03: 8086:2482 (rev 02) [14:59] 00:1e.0 0604: 8086:2448 (rev 42) [14:59] 00:1f.0 0601: 8086:248c (rev 02) [14:59] 00:1f.1 0101: 8086:248a (rev 02) [14:59] Why is OpenOffice Writer included by default in Xubuntu 7.10? It just takes up disk space [14:59] 00:1f.5 0401: 8086:2485 (rev 02) [14:59] 00:1f.6 0703: 8086:2486 (rev 02) [14:59] 01:00.0 0300: 1002:4c59 [14:59] 02:00.0 0200: 10b7:9200 (rev 78) [14:59] 02:01.0 0607: 104c:ac51 [14:59] 02:01.1 0607: 104c:ac51 [14:59] 07:00.0 0280: 14e4:4318 (rev 02) [14:59] ohhh sry >< [14:59] that was not what i was sposed to paste [14:59] heh [14:59] [ 249.964000] bcm43xx: Error: Microcode "bcm43xx_microcode5.fw" not available or load failed. [14:59] did a dmesg [15:01] Proximo: you installe dthe firmware I assume? [15:01] doing so now, i didnt because i thougth it was installed by default [15:02] also ive never got that broadcom thingy to work [15:02] ive always used ndiswrapper and windows driver i think [15:02] g'morning everyone, I'm having an odd problem: after some apparently random amount of time samba mounts that are being used by apps like audacious and amarok suddenly go down. Not only do they go down, but the directories that the samba shares were mounted to become inaccessible - anything that tries to access it locks up completely. When I do an ls-al the permissions are just blank spaces and question marks. I'd really appreciate any idea [15:02] s you guys could give me. [15:03] the samba servers themselves remain accessable, and I can remount to a different directory without any problems [15:04] but when I've got a half dozen apps expecting their crap to be in a directory that suddenly freaks out, a lot of stuff breaks [15:05] and it happens consistently [15:06] dunno samba at all, so im clueless =\ [15:08] is this the right place to ask this kind of question? I'm an old netbsd/gentoo hack and xubuntu is all new to me. [15:09] proteus: is samba generating any logs? [15:10] hmmm this aint going to well [15:10] i got an error while installing the firmware [15:10] and now its just hanging when i try to remove it [15:11] the /var/log/samba directory is full of logs. which one should I be looking at? [15:12] man ive had nothing [15:12] but trouble with the distros from Linux Formats cover disks [15:12] ok, from the smb.conf file the log tail is this: [15:13] proteus@proteus-desktop:~$ tail -f /var/log/samba/log. [15:13] [2007/12/08 00:03:11, 1] libsmb/ntlmssp.c:ntlmssp_update(334) [15:13] got NTLMSSP command 3, expected 1 [15:13] [2007/12/08 01:14:57, 1] libsmb/ntlmssp.c:ntlmssp_update(334) [15:13] got NTLMSSP command 3, expected 1 [15:13] [2007/12/08 11:36:37, 1] libsmb/ntlmssp.c:ntlmssp_update(334) [15:13] got NTLMSSP command 3, expected 1 [15:13] [2007/12/08 14:56:18, 1] libsmb/ntlmssp.c:ntlmssp_update(334) [15:13] got NTLMSSP command 3, expected 1 [15:13] [2007/12/08 15:30:13, 1] libsmb/ntlmssp.c:ntlmssp_update(334) [15:13] got NTLMSSP command 3, expected 1 [15:13] proteus: watch it with pasting, u might get kicked [15:13] you should use a pastebin [15:13] !paste [15:13] pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic) [15:14] oh, ok [15:14] thanks for the tip [15:14] np, ive been kicked myself for that ^^ [15:14] anyway, is that useful at all? [15:15] how much more resource hungry is 7.10 than 7.04 ? [15:15] i tried installing 7.10 and the system was really sluggish, but 7.04 runs fine [15:18] I used to be able to boot into a full xfce destop with pretty themes and everything, plus a couple terms with only 20-40M of ram taken up [15:19] total [15:19] for the whole system [15:19] on what version ? [15:19] oh, it was a gentoo install [15:20] hmmk [15:20] ive been working with getting this laptop up and running nicely for 3 days now [15:20] I'm not sure if the ubuntu system lets you strip down the kernel [15:20] trying one distro that solved one problem but introduced another =( [15:22] my workstation died and I needed a quick replacement, so I pulled an old pentium 2 netbsd server out of my garage and tried out xubuntu [15:22] so far I'm liking it [15:23] damn, im getting a error when installing that firmware :( [15:24] so does anyone have any ideas about my samba/whatever problem? [15:25] i dont, sorry, ive never touched samba [15:25] is everyone else idle or something? I've never used irc. [15:26] yeah i guess they are idle [15:26] you could try the ubuntu channel [15:26] there's 1200 users normally [15:26] and lots of activity [15:27] gotta reboot now, so cya later [15:48] What's the best way to customize the Applications drop down menu? It's totally inconsistent about adding new apps and I don't even know how to organize what's there [16:07] proteus: settings>menu editor [16:08] or xfce4-menueditor from the terminal [17:06] thruxton, isn't there something better than menueditor out there? [17:06] not that I am aware of [17:09] morning [17:10] can anyone tell me how I can take a screenshot? I'm pressing the PrintScreen key, but there's nothing to be pasted in Gimp. [17:10] manad: file->aquire->screenshot [17:11] which menu are you referring to? [17:11] acquire [17:11] manad: gimp main menu [17:11] so the PrintScreen key doesn't do anything in linux? [17:11] manad: not in xfce by default [17:12] manad: you can install scrot and bind it to it in your keyboard settings [17:12] Gotcha. I'll get scrot then make a keyboard shortcut. [17:12] manad: there is also panel plugin for screenshots [17:22] sheep, how can I tell how much free space I have left on my hard drive? [17:23] nevermind, I'd been looking around in Thunar, but there's a System Monitor app [17:23] gotta move away from the Windows mentality :P [17:26] manad: df -h [18:12] Hello [18:13] I would like to add a program to the start menu "Network". It's the torrent client transmission that I have build from source. [18:14] Currently I type "transmission" in a console window. I would like to get a button for this in the start menu (application menu). How do I do that=? [18:15] Camish: xfce4-menueditor [18:15] Thank you [18:16] np [18:19] Using xfce4-menueditor I want to add a shortcut within the "Network" submenu. Running xfce4-menueditor as a normal user I see "--include-- System" where all the submenus are. How do I add my program "transmission" to the Network submenu? [18:23] isnt there an add button along the top, or a + button? [18:23] Make a .desktop file for it, drop that in /usr/share/applications/, and reload the menu. File a bug against the package, since it didn't provide its own. [18:29] Pumpernickel: Okay [18:46] hi [18:46] is there software tat can bur wma to cd ? [18:47] that* burn* [18:48] you can burn any files with brasero [18:49] TheSheep, will it play in a cd player though? [18:49] cheeseboy: no, you need to burn an audicd for that [18:49] udio [18:50] audiocd :) [18:50] cheeseboy: but brasero might be able to do it [18:50] cheeseboy: give it a try [18:50] ya what i was asking X( [18:50] k3b can't do it [18:50] cheeseboy: you can also try and convert that file into mp3 [18:51] would rather not [18:55] TheSheep, it fails [18:55] :( [18:56] cheeseboy: you have w32codecs installed? [18:56] cheeseboy: can you play it? [18:56] don't know [18:57] Package w32codecs is not available, but is referred to by another package. [18:57] This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or [18:57] is only available from another source [18:57] E: Package w32codecs has no installation candidate [18:57] :/ [18:59] cheeseboy: add the medibuntu repository [18:59] !w32codecs [18:59] The Win32 codecs are available from the Medibuntu repositories (see « /msg ubotu medibuntu »), and for releases prior to Gutsy, also at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages [19:01] TheSheep, is there one for gusty? [19:02] cheeseboy: they all fit [19:03] ? [19:04] cheeseboy: just install it from whichever of those repos [19:08] it fails [19:12] Im trying to mount a second internal hd as a "drive", by that i mean i want it to show up in applications as a drive, not a folder. right now i have it mounted as such: UUID=xxx /home/alado/!HDD2 ext3 user,rw 0 0 Which mounts it in that !hdd directory. I have tried to mount it with /media and /mnt with no luck.I mean i know it is possible, cause the drive in question was automaticly (after the ubuntu install.) mounted like [19:12] is it normal that my computer practically freezes when copying files to my hard drive? It takes forever for programs to launch. Is this something that can be fixed by changing from Thunar to something else that's more responsive/multithreaded? [19:13] manad: it's not normal [19:13] manad: im pretty sure its not normal [19:13] manad: check your dmesg [19:13] how? [19:13] manad: open terminal and type 'dmesg' in it [19:14] what am I looking for here? [19:14] manad: error messages about failing to read from a block device [19:15] no xubuntu mounting expert here? [19:15] aladdinsane: what do you mean 'mounted as disk'? [19:15] aladdinsane: eveything is mounted into directories in linux [19:17] the only time the word "error" appears is a the end, I got two lines like this: [ 258.191352] end_request: I/O error, dev fd0, sector 0 [19:18] manad: fd0 is diskette [19:18] TheSheep: did i say disk? I know everything is mounted into folders, people keep telling me, and thats fine, i just want the damn drive to show up as a Drive in all my applications, not as a folder. It did that just fine before i partitioned it from the previous NTFS to ext3 [19:20] yes my terminology might be wrong, maybe i dont want it to be "mounted" as a drive, but i sure want it to "show up" as a drive in my applications [19:24] aladdinsane: did you try to just not put it in fstab? [19:26] TheSheep: thats a good question, i have been fighting with fstab now so long i cant even remember how it all started, but i guess it wasn't in fstab to begin with. so you think xubuntu would recognice/mount it automaticly? [19:26] TheSheep:i'll try it out, brb [19:28] if I install KDE, it will come with its own programs like the Konqueror file manager, correct? No need to install separately? And will I be able to revert back easily to XFCE if I choose to? [19:30] manad: you can have both installed at the same time, you choose which one to start at the login screen [19:30] excellent. thanks., [19:32] TheSheep: you are my hero! i guess the simplest solutions are the best, or definitely the ones you should try first :) [19:32] at least i learned fstab.. [19:32] aladdinsane: glad I could be of assistance, sorry I didn't catch what you mean at first [19:41] how can i test if my sound is working? [19:41] TheSheep: i guess every new truth comes with two new questions, how do i now get the drive to auto mount, any clue? [19:42] cheeseboy: aplay an mp3 file [19:42] i don't have one [19:43] aladdinsane: no, sorry [19:43]