[00:05] <echosystm> does anyone know how to set up internet sharing in xubuntu?
[00:05] <userXubuntu> Like dc++?
[00:06] <echosystm> no
[00:06] <echosystm> like windows ICS
[00:06] <userXubuntu> What's that? (*googles*)
[00:07] <booster614> im not sure if this old laptop will boot up from the live cd of gparted....whats the requriments for it ???
[00:09] <echosystm> internet connection sharing
[00:11] <userXubuntu> booster614:  "GParted LiveCD runs on most x86 machines with a celeron 500mhz or better.
[00:11] <userXubuntu> The minimal amount of memory I have tested is 64MO."
[00:12] <booster614> i have a 233 mhz pII with 64mb ram
[00:13] <userXubuntu> echosystem: Yes I saw that, I haven't planned to use Xubuntu like a that so I haven't looked at those functions.
[00:14] <userXubuntu> booster: give it a try? (if you do not want to re-de format/partitioning/install or re-install/partition
[00:14] <userXubuntu> *re-do
[00:14] <userXubuntu> *redo
[00:14] <userXubuntu> =)
[00:20] <echosystm> so..
[00:20] <echosystm> anyone got any ideas about internet connection sharing?
[00:21] <userXubuntu> ... It's pretty dead today/tonight here...
[00:22] <soldats> echosystm, what do you mean like using a router or a hub
[00:22] <userXubuntu> Correction...
[00:23] <echosystm> my xubuntu computer has two network cards
[00:24] <echosystm> well... eth0 and wireless (ath0)
[00:24] <soldats> echosystm, which one are you using
[00:24] <echosystm> im connecting my windows computer to this computer via eth0
[00:24] <echosystm> ath0 is the internet
[00:24] <echosystm> eth0 is the "lan"
[00:24] <echosystm> i know you can do this via iptables/ipmasq and all that
[00:25] <echosystm> but, im just wondering if there is an easy gui tool to do it
[00:26] <swhalen> Hello. Does xubuntu 7.10 have an update notifier?
[00:26] <Quarterlife> How can I do something about the screwed up locales?
[00:26] <echosystm> yes swhalen, xubuntu does have an update notifier
[00:27] <echosystm> go to add/remove, preferences, updates, and enable the ones you want it to check for
[00:27] <soldats> echosystm, im not sure how to do what you need but yea im pretty sure it can be done
[00:27] <swhalen> by default? I remember older versions did not
[00:27] <echosystm> (10:57:22) echosystm: go to add/remove, preferences, updates, and enable the ones you want it to check for
[00:27] <echosystm> ;)
[00:28] <soldats> swhalen, all versions have an update notifier but if your using the root account it wont show up
[00:29] <swhalen> is there a way to turn an existing install into an OEM..i didnt know it existed until it was too late :(
[00:31] <Rafabe> good evening
[00:31] <Rafabe> Xubuntu can show resolutions higher than 800x600, right?
[00:32] <soldats> Rafabe, yes im using 1200x1050
[00:32] <Rafabe> how far up can it go?
[00:33] <soldats> Rafabe, i believe if your monitor supports it about 1900x????
[00:33] <Rafabe> ok, thanks
[00:33] <Rafabe> i think once i install updated drivers, it will give me the option to go above 800x600, then?
[00:34] <Rafabe> another question: how do I change the system font, and font size (which governs how the desktop is displayed)?
[00:34] <Rafabe> the default is quite small
[00:37] <soldats> have you looked at the window manageer tweaks in applications > settings > window manager tweaks
[00:40] <Rafabe> i hadn't, I only looked in Desktop settings. But I did look now, and do not see font options. There's one that lets me select "title font" but after modifying it, it doesn't change the system font
[00:41] <Rafabe> found it, it's User Interface settings
[00:41] <soldats> yea
[00:42] <soldats> hope it works
[00:42] <Rafabe> is there a tutorial for installing restricted drivers? Like if I want to download and install the latest videocard drivers so I can use resolutions higher than 800x600?
[00:50] <soldats> if you look in apps > settings > restricted drivers it should be there but only if your motherboard supports it
[00:50] <soldats> if that doesnt work there is another way as well
[00:50] <soldats> id look at the first one
[00:50] <Rafabe> there is no Restricted Drivers. And my mobo supports it because that's what I had in Windows. I ran at liek 1600x1200
[00:51] <Rafabe> found it under Apps > System
[00:52] <Rafabe> i saw the ATI driver there, says Not Enabled. I tried to enable it and it says: the software source for the package xorg-driver-fglrx is not enabled"
[00:52] <soldats> ok well do in a terminal "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" but be care ful because im not sure the exact command for the resolution read carefully and use the defaults if you dont know what should be there when you get to the resolution part press spacebar on the res you want but dont go too high or it will carash, you may need to set the colors to 16bit
[00:53] <soldats> hmm well try to enable that then before you do the command in terminal
[00:53] <soldats> you may need a restart as well
[00:53] <Rafabe> i did, and it spat out that error message
[00:53] <soldats> after you enable it in restricted drivers
[00:53] <soldats> hmm have you tried the command i gave you
[00:53] <Rafabe> hang on
[00:54] <soldats> ok but be careful use the defaults when necessary
[00:54] <Rafabe> allright, following the xserver-xorg wizard as we speak
[00:57] <Rafabe> it's now asking me which port my mouse is using. I got the choice between 5 things. I'm tempted to pick /dev/input/mice
[00:57] <Rafabe> would that be right?
[00:57] <Rafabe> the others are /dev/psaux   /ttys0 /tts0 /gpmdata
[00:58] <soldats> the first one should be right
[00:58] <soldats> the /dev one
[00:59] <Rafabe> aha, now it's offering me a huge list of resolutions :P
[00:59] <soldats> Rafabe, ok so id suggest using the 1200 or 1400 because if you go to high it may not work
[01:00] <soldats> also if for some reason it doesnt work try using 16 bit color, when i did this i had to use 16 bit
[01:00] <Rafabe> i picked 1400x1050
[01:01] <soldats> ok that should work
[01:01] <Rafabe> i don't see the new resolutions as available under Apps > Settings > Screen And Graphics. Should I restart?
[01:01] <soldats> yes restart i dont see my res under that either but it still works
[01:01] <Rafabe> also, I selected 24-bit...I can run it again
[01:01] <soldats> well see if it works anyways
[01:01] <Rafabe> ok
[01:02] <soldats> if it doesnt try it again at 16 bit
[01:02] <soldats> i still have yet to test all the solutions
[01:02] <Rafabe> these things I'm changing, are they unique to XFCE? Or would the configuration be identical on Gnome?
[01:03] <Rafabe> let's say I had the same questions but for the Gnome desktop, would you tell me the same things?
[01:04] <Rafabe> still in 800x600. I'll run it again and set it to 16-bit.
[01:05] <soldats> ok 16 may work gnome and xfce are alomost the same in every way xfce is just smaller and a few less features but is better for more experienced users
[01:06] <soldats> the command works for both, if it doesnt work the people in #ubuntu may know better since it it mainly based on gnome
[01:06] <soldats> so i mean if you need help with gnome #ubuntu is the answer
[01:06] <Rafabe> thanks for your help
[01:08] <soldats> no problem the thinks i tell you work for me and a large number of others so if for some reason they dont work for you im not sure how to fix it
[01:08] <soldats> id try to give you as much help as i can
[01:13] <_slvmchn_> isn't the bit depth settings part of xorg.conf? which would mean it's consistent with any window manager?
[01:13] <_slvmchn_> be it xfce, gnome, kde, flux...
[01:13] <_slvmchn_> i might be wrong but i think that's the case
[01:17] <Rafabe> what about Network Settings? If I need help setting up my wireless connection, can I ask in #Ubuntu? Or is it different?
[01:22] <soldats> Rafabe, herer is fine but it is so slow id go to #ubuntu
[01:23] <soldats> _slvmchn_, yes you are right is was only saying gnome has more features and xfce is more simple
[01:24] <soldats> _slvmchn_, for some reason some window managers will set the res higher and for some reason xfce sets it real low
[01:42] <thyrax> anyway way to configure samba with out having to add users?
[01:42] <thyrax> it's for a home server I don't want to have to use a password?
[01:44] <thyrax> hmm never mind I realised the share can be made available to all users :)
[01:47]  * booster614 farts
[01:51] <userXubuntu> What is the delete command in terminal?
[01:51] <userXubuntu> (for deleting a file)
[01:51] <Pumpernickel> rm
[01:52] <userXubuntu> thanks
[02:07] <userXubuntu> OK, now I have went through the ubuntu install for WACOM, but there is no mention of how to set up the pen (except in GIMP that is).
[02:44] <NullName> I need to buy a wireless router and adapter, preferably cheap that will work with xubuntu 7.10?
[02:55] <cheeseboy> can anyone help me with fceu-server?
[03:12] <userXubuntu> YES! I did it.
[03:13] <userXubuntu> Xubuntu sessions: are they suppose to remember what programs were open on what desktops?
[03:13] <userXubuntu> *are they not
[03:14] <userXubuntu> Everytime I restart, and if there are programs open in different workspaces, after restart they are all jammd into workspace 1. Is that normal?
[03:32] <_slvmchn_> hmm i don't know
[03:32] <_slvmchn_> that doesn't sound right though
[03:32] <userXubuntu> It's also annoying... =(
[03:32] <_slvmchn_> try stickying the windows
[03:32] <_slvmchn_> i forget if xfce can do that
[03:32] <userXubuntu> yes it can.
[03:32] <_slvmchn_> it should keep it on that workspace
[03:33] <_slvmchn_> for windows you want kept on their workspace
[03:33] <_slvmchn_> sticky them
[03:33] <_slvmchn_> then try rebooting
[03:33] <_slvmchn_> or even just logging off and back on
[03:33] <_slvmchn_> see if they go back to workspace 1
[03:33] <userXubuntu> I'll give that a try. W8.
[03:33] <_slvmchn_> ok i'll be here
[03:35] <_slvmchn_> did it work?
[03:35] <userXubuntu> No, everyhting was sent back to workspace1...
[03:35] <manad> does anyone here use Xubuntu in a non-English language?
[03:35] <_slvmchn_> hmm
[03:35] <_slvmchn_> check the workspace settings
[03:35] <userXubuntu> .. And I got an internal system error message...
[03:35] <_slvmchn_> maybe there's a toggle for that somewhere
[03:35] <userXubuntu> someting about HAL
[03:35] <_slvmchn_> hunh wierd
[03:35] <_slvmchn_> don't know anything about that
[03:35] <_slvmchn_> maybe it's related to something you had open
[03:36] <userXubuntu> I just installed Wineso I figure it's related to that..
[03:36] <_slvmchn_> i don't know, i feel like for me xubuntu would keep them on their respective workspaces but i can't remember for sure
[03:36] <userXubuntu> I've been in the settings (remember session and so on)
[03:37] <_slvmchn_> strange, don't know what to tell you
[03:37] <_slvmchn_> ask in #xfce
[03:38] <userXubuntu> ... And know my sound died...
[03:40] <userXubuntu> OK, now all is fixed. Iäll ask in #xfce about that thanks m8.
[03:52] <userXubuntu> I need a software that let's me scroll with the inou device button (e.g. the right click button of the mouse), does anyone know what I could search for?
[03:54] <Pumpernickel> There's middle-mouse button emulation built into X - it lets you use the left/right buttons simultaneously to imitate the middle button.  Is that enough?
[03:55] <userXubuntu> I'll check it out, where do I find it?
[03:55] <soldats> Pumpernickel, it doesnt let you scroll though
[03:55] <userXubuntu> Is it the accessibility thingy?
[03:56] <Pumpernickel> http://ftp.x.org/pub/X11R6.9.0/doc/html/mouse.4.html
[03:56] <Pumpernickel> soldats: There's another option for that.
[03:56] <Pumpernickel> userXubuntu: That link shows the changes you'd need to make to xorg.conf.
[03:56] <soldats> really i never saw it
[03:57] <userXubuntu> Thanks... Sort of... ;)
[03:57] <soldats> i might try it as well eventhough i dont need it
[03:57] <userXubuntu> (I'm not use to this stuff)
[03:59] <tehlam3> hi my system is buggered any idea how to fix it ...
[03:59] <tehlam3> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/47496/
[04:01] <userXubuntu> Oh, I think I get it, I will just add the option to my config...
[04:08] <tehlam3> shit laptop locked up :s
[04:08] <tehlam3> so any idea what might be causing the problem
[04:09] <tehlam3> E: Internal Error, Could not perform immediate configuration (2) on libpam-runtime
[04:12] <userXubuntu> Do I need to reboot for the settings to take effect?
[04:12] <soldats> yes
[04:14] <userXubuntu> Oh... Then I better do this right.
[04:17] <Pumpernickel> Reboot, no.  Restart X, yes.
[04:17] <userXubuntu> How do I do that?
[04:17] <Pumpernickel> Ctrl + alt + backspace; it ends your session, so use with care.
[04:18] <userXubuntu> Oh, I'm fmiliar with that one... I thought it restartet the entire system though.
[04:19] <userXubuntu> Isn't it enough to log ot/in?
[04:21] <soldats> no becaue it wont restart x
[04:21] <userXubuntu> ok
[04:22] <soldats> close save everything and do ctrl alt backspace
[04:22] <userXubuntu> Did you get it to work? (the mouse emo?)
[04:22] <Pumpernickel> tehlam3: You seem to have, somehow, uninstalled dpkg.  You'll probably need a livecd, chroot'd into your current install, to reinstall it.
[04:23] <tehlam3> hmm bit problematic without cdrom drive :s
[04:24] <userXubuntu> OK, I'm giving this a try... What did you say, ctrl+alt+...
[04:25] <Pumpernickel> tehlam3: You may be able to get dpkg working without installing it, but that's the kind of workaround that usually ends in pain.
[04:27] <tehlam3> Pumpernickel: ok i thought it might end like that :s thx anyway
[04:27] <userXubuntu> Well, I must have done it wrong... I'll work on this. But I got another "Internal error: failed to initialize HAL!" mssage, what's that?
[04:43] <userXubuntu> Well, the short story: the em works with the mouse (middle button+up/down emulates scroll) I'm having problems implementing this for my wacom mouse...
[04:45] <soldats> didnt that page have a section on wacom support
[04:46] <userXubuntu> It does?
[04:47] <userXubuntu> Where did you see that?
[04:47] <soldats> oh woops sorry it doesnt but i glanced over and at the end of the xorg file it said wacom support i wasnt paying too close attention
[04:47] <userXubuntu> Oh...
[04:52] <userXubuntu> http://linuxwacom.sourceforge.net/index.php/howto/inputdev for those that care...
[04:53] <_slvmchn_> did you figure out that workspace issue?
[04:53] <_slvmchn_> on boot
[04:54] <userXubuntu> No, it was pretty dead at #xfce too...
[04:54] <userXubuntu> Although... I did reboot... I better check there again...
[04:55] <soldats> what was your workspace issue
[04:56] <userXubuntu> It remembers what programs that were pene, but opens them all on workspace 1 (instead of the workspaces they were active in)-
[04:59] <soldats> i think its a common issue since when you reboot the focus is on the first wrkspace and will usually open all apps in it.
[05:06] <userXubuntu> I'll try to have focus on another wrkspace on the next reboot to see what happens.
[05:07] <soldats> ok
[05:08] <soldats> its how it works for me and friends of mine so i assume thats how it should be
[05:08] <userXubuntu> It will be a while until my next reboot, but I'll rapport in on what happened ;)
[05:09] <soldats> ok rad
[05:22] <userXubuntu> Rebooted, while on wrksp 2, the same...
[05:35] <userXubuntu> How do I change "AC" in the mouse option?
[05:36] <userXubuntu> (I want button 2 to b right click and button 3 to be middle click)
[06:15] <userXubuntu> I can't get the "EmulateWheel" to work with wacom, is there any software fpr linux that emulates mouseWheel? (something like mouseImp)
[06:19] <userXubuntu> What is a daemon?
[06:19] <userXubuntu> Nevermind I can google for that...
[07:51] <xfce_user> hi
[07:52] <xfce_user> i tried running xubuntu liveCD, but it prompted me for password
[07:52] <xfce_user> username and password that is, I tried root/root
[07:52] <xfce_user> but I think it is not a valid user
[11:33] <Lareth> Hello. Is there a way to select multiple icons on the desktop (like drag with the mouse)? The only way I found is to control click the icons. I can select multiple files within folders though.
[11:42] <TheSheep> Lareth: desktop is handled by a different program, there is no way
[11:42] <TheSheep> Lareth: you can go to your home and then to Desktop directory though
[13:14] <sebastw> hello world
[13:15] <sebastw> Do you see problems with xfce-terminal?
[13:21] <sebastw> someone?
[13:21] <sebastw> please
[13:24] <mr_pouit> sebastw: i.e. Xserver restarts when you launch xfce4-terminal
[13:24] <mr_pouit> ?
[13:25] <sebastw> no
[13:25] <sebastw> just very slow to maximize, minimize
[13:26] <sebastw> just this application
[13:26] <sebastw> xfce-terminal
[13:27] <TheSheep> sebastw: try dabling transparency
[13:28] <sebastw> no effect
[13:29] <mr_pouit> http://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2818 maybe
[13:29] <ubotu> XFCE bug 2818 in general "terminal exhibits very slow redraw on some systems if the compositor is not used" [Normal,Assigned]
[13:30] <sebastw> hum
[13:33] <sebastw> ok i enabled composite
[13:33] <sebastw> nee restart X
[13:33] <sebastw> see you later
[14:39] <proxim1> hi there
[14:40] <proxim1> i just installed xubuntu on my laptop
[14:40] <proxim1> and i cant find anywhere to set up my wireless network card
[14:40] <proxim1> driver/hardware, not the network settings
[14:47] <thruxton> proxim1: do you know what chipset the card is?
[14:48] <proxim1> not sure, its detected as a broadcom though
[14:48] <proxim1> but that driver wont work
[14:48] <thruxton> http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ try pasting lspci -n here
[14:49] <thruxton> some broadcom work with ndiswrapper no?
[14:50] <proxim1> ive had it running in xubuntu before, but cant remember if it was with ndiswrapper
[14:50] <proxim1> checking that lcpci thingy
[14:50] <proxim1> ls*
[14:52] <proxim1> it says broadcom allright
[14:53] <proxim1> bcm43xx
[14:54] <Rafabe> hi
[14:55] <Rafabe> yesterday i installed xubuntu, and it seemed to work fine. I shutdown/reset several times, the system booted up with no problem. before going to sleep, i did a shutdown from the menu, and now XFCE seems to have problems. It won't load the desktop icons, and most of the application shortcuts don't work. The Network Manager, for example, auto-closes as soon as I click on a connection to select its properties
[14:55] <thruxton> proxim1: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx/Gutsy looks promising
[14:55] <Rafabe> any advice on what I can do to fix this? Or why it even happened? This computer is meant for mom, I need to make sure this doesn't happen again.
[14:57] <proxim1> thruxton: brb im coming online on that machine insteac
[14:57] <proxim1> instead
[14:58] <thruxton> Rafabe: thats doesn't sound too good. you might have more luck in #xfce though
[14:58] <Rafabe> allright,thanks
[14:59] <Proximo> 00:00.0 0600: 8086:3575 (rev 04)
[14:59] <Proximo> 00:01.0 0604: 8086:3576 (rev 04)
[14:59] <Proximo> 00:1d.0 0c03: 8086:2482 (rev 02)
[14:59] <Proximo> 00:1e.0 0604: 8086:2448 (rev 42)
[14:59] <Proximo> 00:1f.0 0601: 8086:248c (rev 02)
[14:59] <Proximo> 00:1f.1 0101: 8086:248a (rev 02)
[14:59] <kd123> Why is OpenOffice Writer included by default in Xubuntu 7.10? It just takes up disk space
[14:59] <Proximo> 00:1f.5 0401: 8086:2485 (rev 02)
[14:59] <Proximo> 00:1f.6 0703: 8086:2486 (rev 02)
[14:59] <Proximo> 01:00.0 0300: 1002:4c59
[14:59] <Proximo> 02:00.0 0200: 10b7:9200 (rev 78)
[14:59] <Proximo> 02:01.0 0607: 104c:ac51
[14:59] <Proximo> 02:01.1 0607: 104c:ac51
[14:59] <Proximo> 07:00.0 0280: 14e4:4318 (rev 02)
[14:59] <Proximo> ohhh sry ><
[14:59] <Proximo> that was not what i was sposed to paste
[14:59] <thruxton> heh
[14:59] <Proximo> [  249.964000] bcm43xx: Error: Microcode "bcm43xx_microcode5.fw" not available or load failed.
[14:59] <Proximo> did a dmesg
[15:01] <thruxton> Proximo: you installe dthe firmware I assume?
[15:01] <Proximo> doing so now, i didnt because i thougth it was installed by default
[15:02] <Proximo> also ive never got that broadcom thingy to work
[15:02] <Proximo> ive always used ndiswrapper and windows driver i think
[15:02] <proteus> g'morning everyone, I'm having an odd problem: after some apparently random amount of time samba mounts that are being used by apps like audacious and amarok suddenly go down. Not only do they go down, but the directories that the samba shares were mounted to become inaccessible - anything that tries to access it locks up completely. When I do an ls-al the permissions are just blank spaces and question marks. I'd really appreciate any idea
[15:02] <proteus> s you guys could give me.
[15:03] <proteus> the samba servers themselves remain accessable, and I can remount to a different directory without any problems
[15:04] <proteus> but when I've got a half dozen apps expecting their crap to be in a directory that suddenly freaks out, a lot of stuff breaks
[15:05] <proteus> and it happens consistently
[15:06] <Proximo> dunno samba at all, so im clueless =\
[15:08] <proteus> is this the right place to ask this kind of question? I'm an old netbsd/gentoo hack and xubuntu is all new to me.
[15:09] <thruxton> proteus: is samba generating any logs?
[15:10] <Proximo> hmmm this aint going to well
[15:10] <Proximo> i got an error while installing the firmware
[15:10] <Proximo> and now its just hanging when i try to remove it
[15:11] <proteus> the /var/log/samba directory is full of logs. which one should I be looking at?
[15:12] <Proximo> man ive had nothing
[15:12] <Proximo> but trouble with the distros from Linux Formats cover disks
[15:12] <proteus> ok, from the smb.conf file the log tail is this:
[15:13] <proteus> proteus@proteus-desktop:~$ tail -f /var/log/samba/log.
[15:13] <proteus> [2007/12/08 00:03:11, 1] libsmb/ntlmssp.c:ntlmssp_update(334)
[15:13] <proteus>   got NTLMSSP command 3, expected 1
[15:13] <proteus> [2007/12/08 01:14:57, 1] libsmb/ntlmssp.c:ntlmssp_update(334)
[15:13] <proteus>   got NTLMSSP command 3, expected 1
[15:13] <proteus> [2007/12/08 11:36:37, 1] libsmb/ntlmssp.c:ntlmssp_update(334)
[15:13] <proteus>   got NTLMSSP command 3, expected 1
[15:13] <proteus> [2007/12/08 14:56:18, 1] libsmb/ntlmssp.c:ntlmssp_update(334)
[15:13] <proteus>   got NTLMSSP command 3, expected 1
[15:13] <proteus> [2007/12/08 15:30:13, 1] libsmb/ntlmssp.c:ntlmssp_update(334)
[15:13] <proteus>   got NTLMSSP command 3, expected 1
[15:13] <Proximo> proteus: watch it with pasting, u might get kicked
[15:13] <Proximo> you should use a pastebin
[15:13] <Proximo> !paste
[15:13] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[15:14] <proteus> oh, ok
[15:14] <proteus> thanks for the tip
[15:14] <Proximo> np, ive been kicked myself for that ^^
[15:14] <proteus> anyway, is that useful at all?
[15:15] <Proximo> how much more resource hungry is 7.10 than 7.04 ?
[15:15] <Proximo> i tried installing 7.10 and the system was really sluggish, but 7.04 runs fine
[15:18] <proteus> I used to be able to boot into a full xfce destop with pretty themes and everything, plus a couple terms with only 20-40M of ram taken up
[15:19] <proteus> total
[15:19] <proteus> for the whole system
[15:19] <Proximo> on what version ?
[15:19] <proteus> oh, it was a gentoo install
[15:20] <Proximo> hmmk
[15:20] <Proximo> ive been working with getting this laptop up and running nicely for 3 days now
[15:20] <proteus> I'm not sure if the ubuntu system lets you strip down the kernel
[15:20] <Proximo> trying one distro that solved one problem but introduced another =(
[15:22] <proteus> my workstation died and I needed a quick replacement, so I pulled an old pentium 2 netbsd server out of my garage and tried out xubuntu
[15:22] <proteus> so far I'm liking it
[15:23] <Proximo> damn, im getting a error when installing that firmware :(
[15:24] <proteus> so does anyone have any ideas about my samba/whatever problem?
[15:25] <Proximo> i dont, sorry, ive never touched samba
[15:25] <proteus> is everyone else idle or something? I've never used irc.
[15:26] <Proximo> yeah i guess they are idle
[15:26] <Proximo> you could try the ubuntu channel
[15:26] <Proximo> there's 1200 users normally
[15:26] <Proximo> and lots of activity
[15:27] <Proximo> gotta reboot now, so cya later
[15:48] <proteus> What's the best way to customize the Applications drop down menu? It's totally inconsistent about adding new apps and I don't even know how to organize what's there
[16:07] <thruxton> proteus: settings>menu editor
[16:08] <thruxton> or xfce4-menueditor from the terminal
[17:06] <proteus> thruxton, isn't there something better than menueditor out there?
[17:06] <thruxton> not that I am aware of
[17:09] <manad> morning
[17:10] <manad> can anyone tell me how I can take a screenshot? I'm pressing the PrintScreen key, but there's nothing to be pasted in Gimp.
[17:10] <TheSheep> manad: file->aquire->screenshot
[17:11] <manad> which menu are you referring to?
[17:11] <TheSheep> acquire
[17:11] <TheSheep> manad: gimp main menu
[17:11] <manad> so the PrintScreen key doesn't do anything in linux?
[17:11] <TheSheep> manad: not in xfce by default
[17:12] <TheSheep> manad: you can install scrot and bind it to it in your keyboard settings
[17:12] <manad> Gotcha. I'll get scrot then make a keyboard shortcut.
[17:12] <TheSheep> manad: there is also panel plugin for screenshots
[17:22] <manad> sheep, how can I tell how much free space I have left on my hard drive?
[17:23] <manad> nevermind, I'd been looking around in Thunar, but there's a System Monitor app
[17:23] <manad> gotta move away from the Windows mentality :P
[17:26] <TheSheep> manad: df -h
[18:12] <Camish> Hello
[18:13] <Camish> I would like to add a program to the start menu "Network". It's the torrent client transmission that I have build from source.
[18:14] <Camish> Currently I type "transmission" in a console window. I would like to get a button for this in the start menu (application menu). How do I do that=?
[18:15] <thruxton> Camish:  xfce4-menueditor
[18:15] <Camish> Thank you
[18:16] <thruxton> np
[18:19] <Camish> Using xfce4-menueditor I want to add a shortcut within the "Network" submenu. Running xfce4-menueditor as a normal user I see "--include-- System" where all the submenus are. How do I add my program "transmission" to the Network submenu?
[18:23] <thruxton> isnt there an add button along the top, or a + button?
[18:23] <Pumpernickel> Make a .desktop file for it, drop that in /usr/share/applications/, and reload the menu.  File a bug against the package, since it didn't provide its own.
[18:29] <Camish> Pumpernickel: Okay
[18:46] <cheeseboy> hi
[18:46] <cheeseboy> is there software tat can bur wma to cd ?
[18:47] <cheeseboy> that* burn*
[18:48] <TheSheep> you can burn any files with brasero
[18:49] <cheeseboy> TheSheep, will it play in a cd player though?
[18:49] <TheSheep> cheeseboy: no, you need to burn an audicd for that
[18:49] <TheSheep> udio
[18:50] <TheSheep> audiocd :)
[18:50] <TheSheep> cheeseboy: but brasero might be able to do it
[18:50] <TheSheep> cheeseboy: give it a try
[18:50] <cheeseboy> ya what i was asking X(
[18:50] <cheeseboy> k3b can't do it
[18:50] <TheSheep> cheeseboy: you can also try and convert that file into mp3
[18:51] <cheeseboy> would rather not
[18:55] <cheeseboy> TheSheep, it fails
[18:55] <cheeseboy> :(
[18:56] <TheSheep> cheeseboy: you have w32codecs installed?
[18:56] <TheSheep> cheeseboy: can you play it?
[18:56] <cheeseboy> don't know
[18:57] <cheeseboy> Package w32codecs is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[18:57] <cheeseboy> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[18:57] <cheeseboy> is only available from another source
[18:57] <cheeseboy> E: Package w32codecs has no installation candidate
[18:57] <cheeseboy> :/
[18:59] <TheSheep> cheeseboy: add the medibuntu repository
[18:59] <TheSheep> !w32codecs
[18:59] <ubotu> The Win32 codecs are available from the Medibuntu repositories (see « /msg ubotu medibuntu »), and for releases prior to Gutsy, also at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[19:01] <cheeseboy> TheSheep, is there one for gusty?
[19:02] <TheSheep> cheeseboy: they all fit
[19:03] <cheeseboy> ?
[19:04] <TheSheep> cheeseboy: just install it from whichever of those repos
[19:08] <cheeseboy> it fails
[19:12] <aladdinsane> Im trying to mount a second internal hd as a "drive", by that i mean i want it to show up in applications as a drive, not a folder. right now i have it mounted as such: UUID=xxx /home/alado/!HDD2        ext3    user,rw  0      0 Which mounts it in that !hdd directory. I have tried to mount it with /media and /mnt with no luck.I mean i know it is possible, cause the drive in question was automaticly (after the ubuntu install.) mounted like
[19:12] <manad> is it normal that my computer practically freezes when copying files to my hard drive? It takes forever for programs to launch. Is this something that can be fixed by changing from Thunar to something else that's more responsive/multithreaded?
[19:13] <TheSheep> manad: it's not normal
[19:13] <aladdinsane> manad: im pretty sure its not normal
[19:13] <TheSheep> manad: check your dmesg
[19:13] <manad> how?
[19:13] <TheSheep> manad: open terminal and type 'dmesg' in it
[19:14] <manad> what am I looking for here?
[19:14] <TheSheep> manad: error messages about failing to read from a block device
[19:15] <aladdinsane> no xubuntu mounting expert here?
[19:15] <TheSheep> aladdinsane: what do you mean 'mounted as disk'?
[19:15] <TheSheep> aladdinsane: eveything is mounted into directories in linux
[19:17] <manad> the only time the word "error" appears is a the end, I got two lines like this: [  258.191352] end_request: I/O error, dev fd0, sector 0
[19:18] <TheSheep> manad: fd0 is diskette
[19:18] <aladdinsane> TheSheep: did i say disk? I know everything is mounted into folders, people keep telling me, and thats fine, i just want the damn drive to show up as a Drive in all my applications, not as a folder. It did that just fine before i partitioned it from the previous NTFS to ext3
[19:20] <aladdinsane> yes my terminology might be wrong, maybe i dont want it to be "mounted" as a drive, but i sure want it to "show up" as a drive in my applications
[19:24] <TheSheep> aladdinsane: did you try to just not put it in fstab?
[19:26] <aladdinsane> TheSheep: thats a good question, i have been fighting with fstab now so long i cant even remember how it all started, but i guess it wasn't in fstab to begin with. so you think xubuntu would recognice/mount it automaticly?
[19:26] <aladdinsane> TheSheep:i'll try it out, brb
[19:28] <manad> if I install KDE, it will come with its own programs like the Konqueror file manager, correct? No need to install separately? And will I be able to revert back easily to XFCE if I choose to?
[19:30] <TheSheep> manad: you can have both installed at the same time, you choose which one to start at the login screen
[19:30] <manad> excellent. thanks.,
[19:32] <aladdinsane> TheSheep: you are my hero! i guess the simplest solutions are the best, or definitely the ones you should try first :)
[19:32] <aladdinsane> at least i learned fstab..
[19:32] <TheSheep> aladdinsane: glad I could be of assistance, sorry I didn't catch what you mean at first
[19:41] <cheeseboy> how can i test if my sound is working?
[19:41] <aladdinsane> TheSheep: i guess every new truth comes with two new questions, how do i now get the drive to auto mount, any clue?
[19:42] <stone[no]> cheeseboy: aplay an mp3 file
[19:42] <cheeseboy> i don't have one
[19:43] <TheSheep> aladdinsane: no, sorry
[19:43] <stone[no]> cheeseboy: /usr/share/sound/alsa
[19:44] <stone[no]> wav file, but that does not matter
[19:48] <cheeseboy> ugh my soundcard isnt working
[19:48] <cheeseboy> how do i fix?
[19:52] <stone[no]> cheeseboy: check that PCM and MASTER sound level are up, using amixer or sound/volume applet in xubuntu menu.
[19:52] <cheeseboy> no i get error
[19:53] <cheeseboy> ** WARNING **: oss_open(): Failed to open audio device (/dev/dsp): Device or resource busy
[19:53] <stone[no]> are there any more users logged in?
[19:54] <cheeseboy> o i fixed it
[19:54] <cheeseboy> but its affecting other aps too
[19:54] <cheeseboy> its trying to use oss instead of alsa
[19:54] <stone[no]> good,  what was the issue?
[19:54] <stone[no]> ok
[19:55] <ice109> can someone help me, i'm having trouble recognizing an external hard drive
[19:55] <cheeseboy> how do i fix that?
[19:56] <stone[no]> cheeseboy: I'm not sure.
[20:24] <HeadLong87632> hello all
[20:28] <HeadLong87632> is this the xubuntu help channel?
[20:29] <stone[no]> I've received help here :)
[20:30] <HeadLong87632> cool.
[20:30] <stone[no]> What's the trouble?
[20:30] <HeadLong87632> This is my first Linux.  I've got plenty of experience with windows and even took C++ classes in college, just for kicks, but this stuff is...new
[20:30] <HeadLong87632> Im trying to get networking up so I can install packages
[20:31] <HeadLong87632> but what Im finding in my install is not matching the xubuntu docs.
[20:31] <HeadLong87632> I managed to find an app called network-config, which shows my network interfaces and devices, lets me choose dhcp or static ip, etc.
[20:32] <HeadLong87632> but its test feature is telling me that its not recieving a dhcp lease from the router.
[20:32] <HeadLong87632> the router is configed.
[20:32] <stone[no]> wlam or wired?
[20:32] <stone[no]> wlan*
[20:32] <HeadLong87632> there are two LAN nics, onboard and pcmca card, and one built-in wireless.
[20:33] <stone[no]> what are you using?
[20:33] <HeadLong87632> I dont know if both LAN ports are functional, one is.  The wireless definitely works.  This is an old laptop.
[20:34] <HeadLong87632> Im not using either one at the moment.
[20:34] <stone[no]> is the router wifi capable and set up?
[20:35] <HeadLong87632> I havent used it in a while.  My xbox 360 and desktop are wired to it.  I'll go back into it and double check.
[20:38] <HeadLong87631> the router disconnects me when I log in to it.  Its a dlink.  I think its mildly retarded.
[20:39] <HeadLong87631> Yes the wifi on the router is functioning.  It is broadcasting an SSID.  Xubuntu actually detects it and other wifis in my apt. complex.
[20:40] <stone[no]> Do you have the network icon in the "sys tray"?
[20:41] <HeadLong87631> if a linux systray is where a windows systray is, no.  All I have is a wrongly set clock.
[20:46] <HeadLong87631> if i right click on the desktop, I get the toolbar of course.  There isnt an "Applications->System->Networking" path like it says in the docs.
[20:46] <HeadLong87631> : (
[20:46] <stone[no]> Well, the 'network' on system menu should let you select the correct settings. However, you've got to have the correct encryption setting (if enabled) and make sure your mac address is on the mac-list (if mac filtering is enabled)
[20:46] <stone[no]> hmm
[20:49] <stone[no]> try typing nm-applet in a terminal. it's the network manager applet
[20:49] <stone[no]> Did you have a complete and successful install?
[20:49] <HeadLong87633> the mac ids are entered into the router.  I did that last night.
[20:50] <HeadLong87633> encryption on the router is set to WPA using PSK, cipher type auto.
[20:50] <HeadLong87633> entered the password into network-config on xubuntu.
[20:50] <HeadLong87633> no such luck.
[20:51] <stone[no]> Best bet is to tempo. turn of encryption and make sure everything else is working ;) It could also be a hardware issue.
[20:51] <stone[no]> off*
[20:53] <HeadLong87633> ok.  one thing. I wanna check that wrote down the mac ids properly.  what is the console command to get the mac ids?
[20:53] <HeadLong87633> I'll turn off encryption.
[20:53] <stone[no]> ifconfig
[20:53] <stone[no]> Look for "HWaddr"
[20:56] <thyrax> is there a command to list and copy files in terminal?
[20:57] <thyrax> the browser is having trouble browsing a particular ntfs drive from windows.
[20:57] <stone[no]> ls to list, cp to copy
[20:57] <thyrax> will it list on all drives?
[20:57] <thyrax> or is is sudo fdisk ls /dev/sd*
[20:57] <thyrax> is that the proper syntax^
[20:58] <stone[no]> append '--help' for helt :) all drives that is mounted.
[20:58] <thyrax> to fdisk?
[20:58] <stone[no]> type 'mount
[20:58] <stone[no]> ' to mounted drives
[20:58] <thyrax> ok
[20:58] <stone[no]> without the '
[20:58] <thyrax> will it show progress?
[20:58] <thyrax> copy progress?
[20:59] <stone[no]> it will show mounted disks
[20:59] <thyrax> and will this work on an ntfs drive?
[20:59] <stone[no]> it will show if it's mounted
[21:00] <stone[no]> is it an external hd?
[21:00] <thyrax> ok it is mounted.. but I am trying to copy files from an ntfs drive to a raid 5 array
[21:00] <thyrax> raid array is md0 formatted in xfs
[21:01] <thyrax> drive to copy from is ntfs
[21:01] <thyrax> the browser is having difficulty reading the windows volume
[21:01] <thyrax> it is mounted but I already know its mounted
[21:02] <stone[no]> can you see the contents?
[21:02] <thyrax> not using the desktop browser it freezes
[21:03] <thyrax> thats why i was wondering if I could use terminal to list the files
[21:03] <thyrax> and copy them from within terminal
[21:03] <stone[no]> try to show the files, using 'ls'
[21:03] <stone[no]> It should be mounted somewhere in /media/
[21:03] <thyrax> stone: what is the syntax to use?
[21:04] <thyrax> sudo ls /media/New Volume ?
[21:05] <stone[no]> try without sudo. try 'ls /media' first
[21:06] <thyrax> ok i tried ls /home/md0 and it listed the raid array contents
[21:06] <thyrax> but when I tried ls /media/new volume it said: new does not exist and volume does not exist
[21:07] <headlong87634> good news stone, it was the encryption.
[21:07] <thyrax> ls media lists New Volume
[21:08] <stone[no]> thyrax: is the ntfs partition on an external hd?
[21:08] <thyrax> no
[21:08] <thyrax> it's a sata drive
[21:09] <thyrax> can I try by device instead of mount point?
[21:09] <stone[no]> what is the output from 'mount'?
[21:09] <stone[no]> yes
[21:09] <stone[no]> ehh, not for ls :)
[21:09] <thyrax> ok ls /dev/sdb1 ?
[21:09] <thyrax> hmmm
[21:10] <stone[no]> headlong87634: Good, I'm not a guru on wpa... I'm not sure if all the different modes are supported.
[21:10] <thyrax> it says dev/sdb1 on /media/New volume
[21:10] <stone[no]> What about the text in ()?
[21:10] <thyrax> but ls /media/new Volume says no new and no volume
[21:11] <stone[no]> ehh try 'ls /media/new\ Volume'
[21:11] <thyrax> (rw,nousid,nodev,notime,allow_other,blksize=4096)
[21:11] <stone[no]> Tip, use tab for auto completion
[21:12] <thyrax> stone that worked
[21:12] <thyrax> ls /media/new\ Volume'
[21:12] <thyrax> ls /media/new\ Volume
[21:13] <thyrax> ls /media/New\ Volume ***
[21:13] <stone[no]> headlong87634: Try to engage wpa and se if you can get it to play nicely ;)
[21:14] <thyrax> :) it listed movies and folders now to copy them
[21:14] <thyrax> why the need to add '\' ?
[21:15] <stone[no]> white spaces are used as "seperators", when they are part of a filename, bash (terminal) gets confused. With '\' you can add special characters to the command.
[21:16] <stone[no]> locate where you would like to copy the files to.
[21:16] <thyrax> I will remember that thank you :)
[21:16] <thyrax> ok I know where to /home/md0
[21:17] <thyrax> there are folders and about 4 seperate files
[21:17] <thyrax> the folders contain lots of other files
[21:17] <stone[no]> I'd try rsync
[21:17] <stone[no]> perhaps rsync -a SRC DEST
[21:17] <thyrax> rsync?
[21:17] <thyrax> stone I'm a noob
[21:17] <stone[no]> type man rsync or rsync --help
[21:18] <thyrax> what will it do?
[21:18] <stone[no]> it's for syncing files
[21:18] <thyrax> why do I need to rsync?
[21:18] <stone[no]> or you could use cp (copy)
[21:18] <thyrax> the files are fine I believe they work fine in windows. I just wanted to retrieve them before I formatted this drive
[21:18] <stone[no]> or mv (move)
[21:19] <thyrax> Is cp faster than move?
[21:19] <thyrax> I just want to get the files safely to the md0
[21:19] <thyrax> and format this drive
[21:20] <stone[no]> either way, you are moving files from on disk to another, it's gonna take some time :)
[21:20] <thyrax> ok I'll go with cp
[21:20] <thyrax> just so It doesn't have to worry about deleteing the file after moving it
[21:21] <stone[no]> ok, cp -a SOURCE/* DEST/ will copy all files from SOURCE to DEST
[21:22] <stone[no]> If you'r gonna format the drive anyway, there's no need worrying about deleting them :)
[21:22] <thyrax> cp /media/New\ Volume/(folder or file) /dest/ ?
[21:23] <thyrax> stone[no]: will that work? ^
[21:24] <stone[no]> 'cp -a /media/New\ Volume/* /home/md0/' will copy all files and directories from "New Volume" to /home/md0
[21:26] <stone[no]> I believe adding -v option adds progress indicator
[21:26] <thyrax> cp -a /media/New\ Volume/* /home/md0/ -v ?
[21:26] <thyrax> or: cp -v -a /media/New\ Volume/* /home/md0/
[21:27] <stone[no]> last one is correct
[21:27] <stone[no]> the options have to come first
[21:27] <thyrax> crap I already ran it without -v
[21:28] <thyrax> can I use a watch command to pull it up?
[21:28] <stone[no]> do a ls and check that they all are copied.
[21:29] <stone[no]> totem mediaplayer, if the correct codecs are installed :)
[21:29] <thyrax> is there no way to get an indicator? its 460GB of data
[21:30] <thyrax> I browsed to md0 in nautilus and it is making progress
[21:30] <stone[no]> not as the program is started. it's best just to let it run. It's gonna take the same amount of time.
[21:31] <stone[no]> what is the format on the files? wma?
[21:31] <stone[no]> wmv*
[21:31] <thyrax> thanks stone you've been a huge help!
[21:31] <thyrax> .avi and .mkv mostly
[21:32] <thyrax> oh you weren't asking me :)
[21:32] <userXubuntu> Does anyone know how you can see hidden files in "open dir dialog box" (run by a program e.g. xmms? (show hidden files in Thunar doesn't work)
[21:32] <stone[no]> OK, if the correct codecs are isntalled, playing should be a breeze. I'm happy to help
[21:33] <stone[no]> thyrax:  I asked you ;)
[21:34] <thyrax> oh ok how did you guess it was media?
[21:34] <thyrax> I don't plan on playing it on this system I set up samba though so I could stream them to my tv and play them through xbmc
[21:35] <stone[no]> thyrax: New linux falvours usually mounts "stuff" in /media
[21:35] <stone[no]> flavours*
[21:36] <thyrax> does it make a difference?
[21:36] <thyrax> its a raid 5 array.
[21:36] <stone[no]> I'm clueless on raid....
[21:36] <thyrax> and automounts on boot
[21:37] <thyrax> it was fun setting up. odd I am on my way to becoming a linux raid guru but couldn't cp files without a gui :)
[21:37] <stone[no]> It will come ;)
[21:38] <thyrax> yeah thanks to you I have learnt some valuable knowledge lol finding a tut could have taken me a while
[21:39] <userXubuntu> I'm having a problem with installing adobe flash plugin on Xubuntu. I use the Syn Ppackage Manager, everything download as it should and I recieve no error messages. When I look in the log however it states that the md5 check didn't match and that the plugin subsequently was not installed.
[21:42] <soldats> sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
[21:42] <soldats> userXubuntu, sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
[21:42] <userXubuntu> "Download done. \n md5sum mismatch install_flash_player_9_linux.tar.gz \n The Flash plugin is NOT installed."
[21:42] <userXubuntu> I'll do that... wait...
[21:43] <soldats> then do sudo update-flashplugin
[21:44] <userXubuntu> sudo apt-get gave me:
[21:44] <userXubuntu> flashplugin-nonfree is already the newest version.
[21:44] <userXubuntu> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[21:44] <userXubuntu> I'm doing a update now.
[21:45] <userXubuntu> sudo update-flashplugin
[21:45] <userXubuntu> gives me "command not found"
[21:46] <crimsun> known issue.
[21:46] <soldats> hmm it might be an old command
[21:46] <crimsun> there's a gutsy-backports request already in place for 9,0,115,0
[21:46] <soldats> oh cool i didnt know
[21:46] <crimsun> just be patient, or install it yourself after removing the flashplugin-nonfree package.
[21:47] <thyrax> is there a program that displays cp progress?
[21:47] <soldats> userXubuntu, open a browser firefox and type about:plugins and see if flash is properly enabled
[21:47] <userXubuntu> crimson, what do you mean? Remove rom SPM and then download from adobe adn run manally?
[21:47] <userXubuntu> soldats, wait.
[21:48] <thyrax> I already started the sp and forgot to add -v
[21:48] <thyrax> cp*
[21:48] <crimsun> userXubuntu: or use the plugin finder wizard.
[21:48] <crimsun> userXubuntu: so, yes, download from Adobe.
[21:48] <soldats> userXubuntu, yes you could do sudo apt-get autoremove flashplugin-nonfree and then reinstall
[21:49] <crimsun> you should use 'remove' or 'purge', not 'autoremove'.
[21:50] <soldats> not really a difference in my opinion i usually use aptitude or purge but autoremove is sometimes faster
[21:50] <userXubuntu> about:plugin wasn't a valid url...
[21:50] <soldats> about:plugins
[21:50] <userXubuntu> *stupid me*
[21:50] <userXubuntu> No plug-ins are installed
[21:51] <soldats> hmm did you alrady uninstall them
[21:51] <userXubuntu> ? I havn't even installed them? Bth adobe and gnush were added in SPM they both failed to install as should.
[21:52] <userXubuntu> I do not think the issue is related to FF, it's the Xubuntu install fails.
[21:53] <userXubuntu> Oh, and btw, I just did a fresh install of Xubuntu. I haven't really installed musch and the I can't see what the problem could be...
[21:53] <crimsun> I seriously already answered this question.
[21:54] <soldats> install flash from the adobe site
[21:54] <userXubuntu> crimson, yes, and I will give that a try, but I had to finish regarding the FF relation.
[21:54] <crimsun> or will until the gutsy-backports package is available this week.
[21:54] <crimsun> s/or will/or wait/
[21:54] <userXubuntu> Okok.
[21:55] <crimsun> (heck, if you really can't wait, just use the hardy package)
[21:55] <userXubuntu> ... Do I dare ask what that is...
[21:55] <crimsun> hardy is the current devel branch.  Your gutsy-backports version is created from hardy.
[21:56] <userXubuntu> I see, but what does hardy do?
[21:57] <crimsun> it's the next version of *buntu, aka 8.10 LTS.
[21:57] <crimsun> sorry, 8.04 LTS.
[21:58] <userXubuntu> Oh
[22:06] <userXubuntu> At the adobe site I have three options: tar, rpm, YUM. They basically seem to do the same ting...? However YUM seems to be nice...
[22:06] <userXubuntu> Or is it?
[22:07] <soldats> all will be the same
[22:07] <soldats> yum maybe easier to install though
[22:07] <soldats> i prefer tar
[22:08] <userXubuntu> hmm, thanks.
[22:27] <userXubuntu> ! it works =) Thanks helpfull people!
[22:29] <soldats> awesome im glad youo got it working
[22:34] <aladdinsane> this is my 5th hour trying to solve this problem..Why cant i get my, through fstab, mounted second internal hd to show up as a drive in my applications? It does show up as a drive in two applications though, Thunar and Nautilus, but in all the rest i have to browse down through the filesystem to find the folder, my fstab: UID=xxxx /media/Hdd2        ext3     user,rw  0      0
[22:37] <GaryvdM> Hi - I'm having some trouble. I have only one computer, and one way to get on to the net: a 3g modem. I had Windows installed on one drive, and I have installed xubuntu feisty on another, and boot either.
[22:37] <GaryvdM> I want to install the 3g modem driver
[22:37] <thyrax> My xbox running xbmc can see samba shares on my ubuntu box without needing a password but windows xp asks for a password and I am denied
[22:37] <GaryvdM> https://forge.vodafonebetavine.net/projects/vodafonemobilec/
[22:38] <GaryvdM> So I downloaded the .deb in windows, and then booted into xubuntu
[22:39] <GaryvdM> Then find that it needs some depends
[22:39] <GaryvdM> boot back into windows, download the depends, boot back it xubuntu
[22:40] <GaryvdM> but I can't install libbonobo2-0 and libbonobo2-common because they depend on each other.
[22:40] <soldats> aladdinsane, usually in all apps it will only detect a mounted hdd. so in order to have the apps use them properly you need to edit fstab like youve been but you may be entering it in wrong
[22:41] <GaryvdM> How can I go about installing packages if I don't have internet access on xubuntu?
[22:42] <soldats> hmm download them to a disk of some sort and install thtat way
[22:43] <GaryvdM> Thats what I was trying, but I got stuck on libbonobo2-0 and libbonobo2-common because they depend on each other.
[22:44] <aladdinsane> soldats: no my fstab is correct, as far as i can tell and i have been working on it for 5 hours now so i consider myself a semi fstab expert. And the thing with fstab is that it mounts the drive in a folder, and i want it to show as a drive. I mean it works, as i said, just not as i want it to
[22:44] <GaryvdM> I have just been dbl clicking on the packages from the filemanager. Is that the correct way?
[22:45] <soldats> GaryvdM, probly not depending on the filetype you may need to compile
[22:45] <aladdinsane> soldats: some people though have recommended me to mount it in /media/ or /mnt/ to get around the problem, but as you can see that is what i have done now and the problem is not solved
[22:46] <soldats> aladdinsane, all drives will be mounted to a folder and will be mounted everytime in the same location.
[22:46] <soldats> aladdinsane, i mount everything in /media
[22:46] <soldats> maybe i dont understand what kind of problem you have
[22:48] <aladdinsane> soldats: my problem is what i described above, what is it not to understand? and yes i know all drives mounts to folders, but why on earth does the drive im mounting showing up as a _drive_ in thunar and nautilus but not in any other applications whatsoever
[22:48] <soldats> aladdinsane, in fstab you should have the hdd mount to say "/media/hdd1" and give all required permissions for it also you need to have made a folder called hdd1 in your /;media dir
[22:48] <aladdinsane> soldats: of course i have done that
[22:48] <soldats> you mean thunar says its called _drive_
[22:49] <aladdinsane> soldats: my problem is not that it doesn't work, the mount works perfectly, i just want the drive to show up as a drive, u understand what i mean with "show up as a drive" right?
[22:50] <soldats> what does it show up as
[22:50] <aladdinsane> if u open nautilus or thunar you have your drives in the left pane
[22:51] <aladdinsane> same if u open any other application, you see your drives and can choose to navigate down through them
[22:51] <soldats> ok
[22:52] <aladdinsane> and as i said, i can see the drive described above in that left pane, in Nautilus and Thunar, but not in any other application
[22:52] <soldats> thats what mine looks like
[22:52] <soldats> well if you right click a drive does it say mount
[22:52] <soldats> or unmount
[22:52] <aladdinsane> so in every other application i always have to navigate to /media/hdd2/ to get to it
[22:53] <aladdinsane> it is mounted if thats what you are asking
[22:54] <soldats> aladdinsane, a lot of apps will only let you navigate that way to your drive and some will show it as a drive without "/medi***"
[22:54] <aladdinsane> soldats: ok so u mean its perfectly normal to have this "problem"
[22:55] <soldats> yes the way i was understanding it earlier was wrong of me to do, but now i know what you mean so yes this is normal
[22:56] <soldats> having the icon for a drive is almost like a symlink and when you click on it it navigates directlyt to where its mounted
[22:56] <aladdinsane> ok, so the last 5 hours of my life was a total waste then..
[22:57] <aladdinsane> but why, and how, does the applications show the "File Sytem" then
[22:58] <soldats> most apps for filesystem use /Desktop or ~/.HOME
[22:58] <aladdinsane> i cant for the life of it see this as anything but annoying and if not a bug definitely something that must be very easy to fix
[22:59] <soldats> it very well could be a bug in some apps i prefer them to show up in the laft pane as well but i had to get over it
[23:01] <aladdinsane> ok, well, its not gonna kill me either, its just that i thought i was doing something wrong and kept working on it..
[23:02] <soldats> what permissions did you give the drive mount point
[23:03] <soldats> did you do it as root
[23:05] <aladdinsane> you mean in fstab or via chmod chown?
[23:05] <soldats> chmod
[23:06] <aladdinsane> soldats: i havent used either chmod or chown, i could use it so i didnt bother
[23:06] <aladdinsane> do i have to do that?
[23:07] <soldats> well usually you do something like sudo chmod 777 /mount/point to give it permissions for every user im not sure if it will work but it may make some apps see it in a pane window
[23:08] <soldats> or you dont need to sudo i dont think
[23:08] <aladdinsane> ok, i'll try it out
[23:09] <soldats> cause sometimes if you mount as root youll be able to see it but some apps wont be able to see root mounted stuff
[23:09] <soldats> it may or may not work but its a suggestion i only wish the best for you and if it doesnt work out i apologize
[23:10] <soldats> it doesnt bother me anymore to type /media/disk
[23:10] <aladdinsane> no need to appoligize, i appriciate the effort, i couldntr chmod it with out sudo though
[23:12] <aladdinsane> no, no change
[23:12] <soldats> ok well that would mean it was root owned so maybe it will show up now after a reboot, well anyways i hope it works but i gotta go maybe ill se you later
[23:12] <aladdinsane> yea, i'll re-boot later, thnx again, catch ya later
[23:20] <proteus> burn
[23:35] <headlong87634> is there a faster browser than the kazehakase that comes with xubuntu?
[23:39] <headlong87634> or is there a performance guide?
[23:39] <headlong87634> joejackson posted a command to cut out the splash on bootup so the boot time is faster.
[23:42] <TheSheep> headlong87634: splash doesn't really make it slower...
[23:42] <userXubuntu> The option to minimize applications to system tray in Xubuntu/linux, is it relative to the application or can you set it up in the desktop env?
[23:43] <TheSheep> headlong87634: and xubuntu doesn't come witj kazehakase, it comes with firefox
[23:43] <headlong87634> uh
[23:43] <headlong87634> wow
[23:43] <headlong87634> then what did i download?
[23:43] <TheSheep> headlong87634: how should I know?
[23:43] <TheSheep> userXubuntu: the application must support it
[23:44] <TheSheep> userXubuntu: there are some 'wrappers' that allow you to 'add' it to an application
[23:44] <headlong87634> no that's a rhetorical question.
[23:44] <headlong87634> lol
[23:44] <headlong87634> I have FLUXbuntu
[23:44] <headlong87634> lol
[23:44] <headlong87634> I'm sorry.
[23:44] <TheSheep> xubuntu with flu?
[23:44] <userXubuntu> theSheep, thanks.
[23:44] <headlong87634> um. lemme look
[23:44] <headlong87634> this is my first linux.
[23:45] <The_Kernel> nice
[23:45] <headlong87634> no the login screen says fluxbuntu.
[23:45] <headlong87634> the whole weekend I have been reading xubuntu docs
[23:45] <The_Kernel> how interesting
[23:45] <headlong87634> and wondering
[23:46] <headlong87634> why is mine not the same?
[23:46] <The_Kernel> my login says Ubuntu, but I'm pretty sure I'm using Xubuntu right now
[23:46] <TheSheep> headlong87634: happens
[23:46] <headlong87634> #join fluxbuntu
[23:47] <headlong87634> worked last time. crap.
[23:49] <TheSheep> "/join #fluxbuntu"