Riddell | CheGuevara: hi | 00:00 |
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Riddell | stdin: mm, ok, I'll look at that tomorrow | 00:00 |
CheGuevara | hi Riddell | 00:07 |
CheGuevara | did you see my results with fontconfig yesterday/ | 00:07 |
Riddell | CheGuevara: nope, what happened? | 00:07 |
CheGuevara | installing gutsy fontconfig-config | 00:07 |
CheGuevara | fixes the ugly password dots | 00:08 |
Riddell | to make them anti-aliased? | 00:08 |
CheGuevara | and smaller | 00:08 |
CheGuevara | no idea though what exactly changed the behaviour | 00:09 |
CheGuevara | let me know if u want me to debug more | 00:11 |
CheGuevara | also Riddell kde4 rc 2 packages seem to install KDE 4 .desktop entries to show in KDE 3 | 00:14 |
CheGuevara | don't know if thats intended though | 00:14 |
CheGuevara | Riddell: another observation, the dots are fine in firefox | 00:30 |
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limac | hey anyone knows how to get wireless on kubuntu? | 03:05 |
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Lure | Riddell: new kdepim enterprise snapshot is in my PPA - running fine (no new regression) for POP and Disconnected IMAP for me | 09:35 |
Lure | Riddell: they are in feture freeze now and will concentrate on bug fixing now | 09:35 |
Lure | Riddell: [10:29] <vkrause> Bille: hi, Till and me retunred from foss.in yesterday and will concentrate on bugfixing this week | 09:35 |
Lure | Riddell: would it make sense to have it also in gutsy-backports? | 09:36 |
elisiano | hi everyone | 09:52 |
Riddell | Lure: yeah, could do | 10:05 |
Riddell | hi elisiano | 10:05 |
Lure | Riddell: will you upload it for hardy? | 10:06 |
Riddell | Lure: if you think it's good | 10:06 |
elisiano | wow I'm excited, never talked to a famous developer, lol :) | 10:06 |
Lure | Riddell: I think it is at least as good as what we already have (after 2 days of testing it myself with pop3 and disconnected imap) | 10:07 |
Lure | Riddell: it would be good to get some users of scalix as this is new (I have added packaging) - I want to be sure it is properly packaged | 10:07 |
Lure | elisiano: don't get scared, Riddell likes to talk with new people ;-) | 10:08 |
* elisiano feels better | 10:08 | |
* Lure recalls how Riddell got him into fixing some bugs mysefl ;-) | 10:08 | |
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buz | Lure: need testers of that snapshot? i only use online IMAP however | 10:56 |
buz | disconnected imap reliably trashed mails for me | 10:56 |
Riddell | Lure: kdepim_3.5.7enterprise20071207 ? | 11:13 |
Riddell | Lure: shall we up the version to 3.5.8? | 11:13 |
Riddell | or has upstream not done that | 11:13 |
stdin | Riddell: I see why kdebase-runtime-bin-kde4 is trying to overwrite kdebase-bib. kwriteconfig, kdebugdialog, kstart and kreadconfig are the same name as in kdebase-bin, so the symlinks it makes in /usr/bin need a pre/suffix | 11:14 |
allee | buz: create a test imap account and try disconnected imap again? | 11:15 |
buz | well i could never quite reproduce it | 11:15 |
allee | Lure: is imap known to be fixed or still broken? | 11:15 |
buz | i just noticed that eventually, mails would vanish | 11:15 |
buz | especially on crashes | 11:15 |
buz | which arent that rare with kmail | 11:16 |
allee | I'll try it later: Just noticed that when I sent out an meeting korganizer seem to assume that I entered the date in UTC :( | 11:16 |
* allee suggests to announce kubuntu-devel meetings via ical attachment. So this pim feature gets more testing ;) | 11:17 | |
Gular1 | I've got a few questions about setting up an encrypted install manually - anyone got ideas/knowledge? | 11:49 |
Riddell | Gular1: user support in #ubuntu, #kubuntu | 11:56 |
CheGuevara | Riddell, did you get everything i said yesterday? 'cause u magically disappeared :P | 11:58 |
Lure | allee: disconnected impa works for me | 12:17 |
Lure | allee: what is broken for you? | 12:17 |
Gular1 | Riddell: well, I do understand that, but the good folks in #kubuntu doesn't have the answer (I do try to answer a few questions there myself). Anyways, what I'd like to do is to install a encrypted (using dm-crypt and lvm) kubuntu system on a machine that already have windows on the first active partition. basically I'm just looking for directions for how I'd set up the partitioner manually, as "Guided - use entire disk and set up encrypted LVM" is n | 12:18 |
Lure | Riddell: there were several merges with 3.5.8, but I did not get confirmation from #kontact people that this is now considered to be 3.5.8 based | 12:18 |
Gular1 | (ideally there should be an option in the installer that said "use remaining space on drive and set up encrypted system" ;) | 12:19 |
Lure | buz: I am using disconnected imap on exchange 2003 and it did not loose e-mail for me for some time | 12:19 |
Lure | buz: but I had it once in 3.5.5 times if I recall correctly | 12:19 |
stdin | Hobbsee: don't know if you have or not, but you said to remind you to get meta-kde4 into universe, so I am | 12:31 |
Hobbsee | stdin: oh, thanks! | 12:31 |
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Lure | Riddell, Hobbsee: since digikam 0.9.3-beta is already in debian/expirimental, can we use that version for merge (instead of old 0.9.2 suggested by MoM)? | 13:28 |
Hobbsee | Lure: if you like. i can't see why not | 13:29 |
Lure | Hobbsee: 0.9.3 final should be released before our feature freeze, therefore it makes more sense to do merge there | 13:30 |
Lure | Hobbsee: will probably look into this tonight | 13:30 |
* Hobbsee nods | 13:30 | |
Riddell | CheGuevara: we seem to keep missing each other about this fontconfig issue | 14:30 |
Riddell | stdin: do you have kdebase-bin-kde3 installed? | 14:32 |
Riddell | kdebase-bin-kde3 will overlap with kdebase-runtime-bin-kde4 | 14:32 |
Riddell | but that should be ok | 14:32 |
stdin | Riddell: kdebase-bin-kde3 doesn't exist, kdebase-bin-kde4 does but it's not installed | 14:33 |
Riddell | stdin: oh, hrm | 14:33 |
Riddell | stdin: I guess adding kdebase from hardy to your ppa would be the thing to do | 14:34 |
stdin | ok | 14:35 |
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buz | Lure: that sounds about right for the time frame of my loss | 15:26 |
buz | these days i just run dovecot locally :P | 15:26 |
buz | kmail then fetches mails from remote imap, does spamfiltering and stores the good mails on dovecot | 15:26 |
Lure | buz: I recall some disconnected imap fixes and new kde4 version even have a warning when you configure disconnected imap in which cases you may get "suprises" | 15:27 |
Artemis_Fowl | hi. i am developing a KDE4 app that need root privileges in order to access some files (/boot/grub/menu.lst && /boot/grub/device.map && /etc/mtab) all of which can ba accessed only by root | 15:50 |
Artemis_Fowl | which is the best way to ask for the user to insert the password using KDEsu ib? | 15:50 |
Artemis_Fowl | lib* | 15:50 |
Riddell | Artemis_Fowl: to run the whole app as root add X-KDE-SubstituteUID=true to the app | 15:53 |
Riddell | better is running another app to do the root bits, which could be setuid root | 15:53 |
Riddell | it's a #kde4-devel question anyway | 15:53 |
Artemis_Fowl | first of all I just asked there but got no answer | 15:54 |
Artemis_Fowl | secondly, isnt there any way to implement this task (asking root password) through my app's code? | 15:54 |
Riddell | Artemis_Fowl: why would you need to? | 15:55 |
Riddell | you can run kdesu something | 15:55 |
Artemis_Fowl | example: the user runs the application without root password. However the app NEEDS the password in order to access this files (all it does is this) | 15:56 |
Artemis_Fowl | so the app should ask for password in order to continue | 15:57 |
Riddell | a process can't raise its own privilages | 15:57 |
Riddell | it would need to start another app to do the root bits | 15:57 |
Riddell | for example gdebi-kde runs itself as root when it needs to install the package | 15:57 |
Artemis_Fowl | so you propose that I create two executable files one of which will do the root work after the first one requests her to do so? | 15:58 |
Riddell | Artemis_Fowl: yes | 15:58 |
Artemis_Fowl | ok. seems neat. | 15:59 |
Artemis_Fowl | in all of the app's previous versions, the app re-run itself when it had no root password and was really hard to debug... | 16:00 |
Riddell | Lure: uploading 4:3.5.7enterprise20071207-1ubuntu1~ppa~lure3 | 16:01 |
Lure | Riddell: hopefully without ~ppa~lure3 ;-) | 16:01 |
Artemis_Fowl | thx. bb | 16:01 |
Riddell | Lure: I thought the version number wasn't long enough so I kept that :) | 16:02 |
Lure | Riddell: next time at least add ~riddell~was~here ;-) | 16:02 |
Hobbsee | hahaa | 16:02 |
Hobbsee | ~with~extra~long~pointy~stick~of~doom~flavoring | 16:03 |
DaSkreech | Riddell: so far I've been through all the drivers for this chipset and they all freeze when I get a tooltip from the taskbar | 16:44 |
DaSkreech | so it's not the driver | 16:44 |
DaSkreech | I've only had one freeze not associated with a tooltip | 16:44 |
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DaSkreech | Hmm can the Konqueror media player play wav files? | 17:25 |
jpatrick | installing libxine1-ffmpeg? | 17:25 |
DaSkreech | jpatrick: no go | 17:29 |
Riddell | "the Konqueror media player"? | 17:30 |
Riddell | pretty much anything can play .wav files | 17:30 |
DaSkreech | F9 -> Media player | 17:30 |
DaSkreech | This can't | 17:30 |
DaSkreech | it recognizes it as a media file | 17:30 |
DaSkreech | (it doesn't throw a not a media file error) but doesn't make any attempt to play it | 17:30 |
jpatrick | what kpart is it of? | 17:31 |
morr | i guess amarok | 17:33 |
DaSkreech | no | 17:41 |
DaSkreech | Jsomething if I recall | 17:42 |
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DaSkreech | libarts1-mpeglib | 17:42 |
CheGuevara | ping Riddell | 17:45 |
Riddell | hi CheGuevara | 17:47 |
CheGuevara | i finally catch you :P | 17:47 |
CheGuevara | here's what i said yesterday | 17:48 |
CheGuevara | <CheGuevara> fixes the ugly password dots | 17:48 |
CheGuevara | <Riddell> to make them anti-aliased? | 17:48 |
CheGuevara | <CheGuevara> and smaller | 17:48 |
CheGuevara | <CheGuevara> no idea though what exactly changed the behaviour | 17:48 |
CheGuevara | <CheGuevara> let me know if u want me to debug more | 17:48 |
CheGuevara | <CheGuevara> also Riddell kde4 rc 2 packages seem to install KDE 4 .desktop entries to show in KDE 3 | 17:48 |
DaSkreech | Che!! | 17:48 |
CheGuevara | <CheGuevara> don't know if thats intended though | 17:48 |
CheGuevara | lol | 17:48 |
CheGuevara | i am alive! | 17:48 |
sebas | It is intended. | 17:48 |
CheGuevara | oh right | 17:49 |
CheGuevara | its just most of them don't show their icons | 17:49 |
CheGuevara | so it looks fugly :P | 17:49 |
sebas | Otherwise GTK apps wouldn't show up in the menu | 17:50 |
Riddell | CheGuevara: so it goes back to being unable to draw the password circle character and falls back on the alternate character | 17:50 |
Riddell | yes, it's intended to have KDE 4 apps in the normal menu, KDE 4 should integrate as well as anything | 17:51 |
CheGuevara | Riddell: I am honestly not sure what happens exactly | 17:53 |
CheGuevara | interesting question would be if its the new version of fontconfig that does it or the ubuntu patches | 17:54 |
CheGuevara | looking at the change log the only relevant thing i can see is prefer "Standard Symbols L" as symbol font | 17:57 |
CheGuevara | to fix #37745 | 17:57 |
CheGuevara | actually | 18:00 |
CheGuevara | thats been there since Dapper :P | 18:00 |
CheGuevara | but as I said Riddell I am not really sure which step to take next in getting to the bottom of this, so let me know | 18:04 |
Riddell | I'm not sure either | 18:07 |
Riddell | fontconfig is quite a mystery | 18:07 |
CheGuevara | heh | 18:08 |
CheGuevara | this will have to be fixed eventually though | 18:08 |
CheGuevara | 'cause its a LTS release and this is a noticable reqgression | 18:08 |
CheGuevara | another question would be does say GDM show the same issue | 18:08 |
Riddell | let's not get too excited about LTS | 18:09 |
Riddell | I doubt it does affect gtk or qt 4 | 18:09 |
CheGuevara | heh am not really, i like to use bleeding edge so LTS is no excitement for me :P | 18:11 |
CheGuevara | i could file a bug against fontconfig and let them hanle it | 18:11 |
CheGuevara | theres #174229 | 18:14 |
CheGuevara | not sure if its the same | 18:14 |
Riddell | bug 174229 | 18:15 |
ubotu | Launchpad bug 174229 in fontconfig "[hardy] fonts smaller after update" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174229 | 18:15 |
CheGuevara | mentions QT, but it could just be that QT 3 apps font rendering is messed for ubuntu users | 18:16 |
CheGuevara | if i can figure out how to make my system actually use kdm from kde4 then i could see if its there also | 18:17 |
Riddell | I doubt there's anything special about kdm, use kdialog --password | 18:18 |
CheGuevara | ah | 18:18 |
CheGuevara | i didn't think of that :P | 18:18 |
CheGuevara | let me just install the latest updates and i'll go into kde 4 | 18:20 |
yevgen | Is there any issues updating to Hardy Alpha with apt-get/aptitude? | 18:35 |
yevgen | Or it is better to download and install it from ISO? | 18:35 |
CheGuevara | right brb | 18:56 |
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CheGuevara | god xchat is ugly in kde 4 :P | 18:58 |
CheGuevara | yep Riddell the password dots are nice and anti-aliased in KDE 4 | 18:59 |
Riddell | stdin: new kde4libs, kdepimlibs, kdebase-runtime, kdebase-kde4 and kdebase-workspace in hardy | 19:09 |
Riddell | also kdeedu-kde4 | 19:09 |
CheGuevara | in kde4-meta now in hardy? | 19:11 |
Riddell | not sure where it's gone | 19:11 |
CheGuevara | yep its there | 19:13 |
CheGuevara | there = universe | 19:13 |
CheGuevara | though https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/hardy-changes/2007-December/002995.html says main :P | 19:14 |
CheGuevara | and it don't work as well | 19:15 |
CheGuevara | The following packages have unmet dependencies. | 19:15 |
CheGuevara | kde4: Depends: kde4-amusements (>= 1.0) but it is not going to be installed | 19:15 |
CheGuevara | :P | 19:15 |
stdin | Riddell: don't see a new -runtime and -workspace yet, I'm uploading the rest | 19:34 |
Riddell | stdin: ok no new -runtime , -workspace I just reuploaded | 19:39 |
Riddell | stdin: would you be able to upload them to your ppa as hardy as well? I fear that universe is just too slow to build from | 19:39 |
stdin | Riddell: I guess that should be simple :) | 19:40 |
Riddell | stdin: kdegames-kde4 also up now | 19:43 |
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bddebian | Hehya | 19:46 |
ScottK | Hi there bddebian | 19:49 |
bddebian | Heya ScottK | 19:49 |
X2B | Hello everybody. I was here about a week ago because I had some problems concerning kmilo and surround systems. Does anyone remember me? I wrote a patch for kmilo applying to the kdeutils 3.5.8 package. If anyone is interested in it I would be happy to give it to you. | 19:51 |
Riddell | X2B: what does the patch do? | 19:54 |
X2B | WEll, it adds some lines so that the dcop call also applies to the rear speakers | 19:57 |
CheGuevara | X2B: have you tried submiting it upstream? | 20:03 |
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X2B | Well, lets say that I don't know so much about how that stuff usually works... I would do whatever you want with it... | 20:04 |
Riddell | CheGuevara: upstream isn't maintained and we fork it quite a bit | 20:08 |
Riddell | X2B: sure, put the patch on a web server somewhere | 20:08 |
X2B | And where is somewhere? I don't even know if that is a kde-devel oder kubuntu-devel issue | 20:09 |
CheGuevara | oh right sorry Riddell | 20:17 |
CheGuevara | X2B: DCC it to me and i'll upload it on my server if u want | 20:18 |
bddebian | Wow, murderous dicatators now work on Ubuntu, nice :-) | 20:19 |
ScottK | bddebian: ?? | 20:19 |
ScottK | Oh, him? Never made it to actual dictator. | 20:20 |
bddebian | ScottK: Che Guevara | 20:20 |
ScottK | Only wanted to be. | 20:20 |
CheGuevara | i prefer freedom fighter :P | 20:20 |
CheGuevara | ok i don't think my router is liking this | 20:21 |
CheGuevara | X2B: che_guevara_3@bk.ru | 20:21 |
bddebian | So Hitler was a Freedom fighter? (Godwin's law in record time) :-) | 20:22 |
CheGuevara | lol comparing Che and Hitler is like comparing Bill and Linus :P | 20:23 |
bddebian | Ah right, Che only locked up the gays, not gassed/burned them eh? | 20:23 |
ScottK | bddebian: It's totally different. One was successful and one wasn't. | 20:25 |
CheGuevara | bddebian, we're talking about 60s here | 20:25 |
CheGuevara | may be you should remember what was happening to blacks in ur own country | 20:26 |
CheGuevara | :P | 20:26 |
bddebian | And that makes it right? | 20:27 |
CheGuevara | no | 20:27 |
CheGuevara | its times | 20:27 |
CheGuevara | times change | 20:27 |
CheGuevara | what wasn't right once is right now | 20:27 |
CheGuevara | for better or for worse | 20:27 |
ScottK | Yes, but not really relevant to this case. | 20:28 |
bddebian | I don't see too many people "hero worshipping" many KKK leaders | 20:28 |
ScottK | IMO, Che was wrong then fighting to move things from bad to worse, but probably enough about that. | 20:28 |
CheGuevara | neither is comparing a socialist revolutionary with a nazi | 20:28 |
Tm_T | hmmm | 20:29 |
Tm_T | CheGuevara: thanks for hilighting | 20:29 |
CheGuevara | hmm? | 20:29 |
Tm_T | "nazi" is in my hilight list ;) | 20:30 |
CheGuevara | lol | 20:30 |
stdin | yeah, and mine :p | 20:30 |
CheGuevara | X2B: ur patch just arrived | 20:31 |
Tm_T | that reminds me, I'm sort of collecting old DDR stuff :p | 20:31 |
CheGuevara | Riddell or anyone else http://tvu.org.ru/kmilo.patch | 20:33 |
ScottK | CheGuevara: Che wasn't a socialist, he was a dedicated Communist and the practical distinction between that and the other group I won't say because so many people highlight on the word is really just a matter of detail. | 20:38 |
Riddell | CheGuevara: that's X2B's patch? | 20:41 |
CheGuevara | true, he's a marxist | 20:41 |
CheGuevara | Riddell, aye | 20:41 |
CheGuevara | too bad communism is not possible in the corrent world though :P | 20:42 |
CheGuevara | *current | 20:42 |
stdin | Riddell: I still don't see a new -runtime, still on -1ubuntu3 | 20:42 |
Riddell | X2B: does this work with 2 speaker systems? | 20:45 |
Riddell | stdin: no new -runtime | 20:45 |
stdin | Riddell: ah, thought you said there was a new one along with -workspace | 20:45 |
Riddell | stdin: I did, but I was wrong :) | 20:47 |
stdin | heh, ok :) it's a good job you don't get build failure messages from ppa, because you'd be about to get a flood | 20:48 |
Riddell | stdin: why? | 20:49 |
stdin | just because I forgot to change one of the build-deps to use backport release | 20:50 |
_StefanS_ | hi.. | 20:50 |
_StefanS_ | anyone tried that konqueror looses its association with folders ? | 20:51 |
stdin | "libsoprano-dev (>= 1.98.0~rc1-1)" and it has 1.98.0~rc1-1~gutsy1~ppa1 | 20:51 |
_StefanS_ | and I'm kinda lost at restoring it.. dpkg-reconfigure doesnt do it.. | 20:51 |
_StefanS_ | thats on gutsy after upgrading from feisty | 20:52 |
_StefanS_ | really odd.. | 20:55 |
stdin | shouldn't dolphin be associated with directories when you upgrade > gutsy? | 20:56 |
_StefanS_ | well yes, but I removed it, and konqueror takes over | 20:59 |
_StefanS_ | it works fine on my 4 machines | 20:59 |
_StefanS_ | stdin: however this is a friends machine, and I dont know what he did | 20:59 |
stdin | try setting it manually, from konqueror's settings | 20:59 |
stdin | !dolphin | 20:59 |
ubotu | Dolphin, or more properly D3lphin, is the new default file manager for Kubuntu 7.10 Gutsy Gibbon. If you would like to make Konqueror your default file manager again, go to Konqueror - Settings menu - Configure Konqueror - File Associations and change the association for inode/directory and inode/system_directory to Konqueror at the top rather than Dolphin. | 20:59 |
stdin | using those instructions it should work | 20:59 |
_StefanS_ | ah cool | 21:00 |
_StefanS_ | thanks | 21:00 |
_StefanS_ | stdin: somehow k3b had taken over all those associations.. dont ask me how ;) | 21:03 |
stdin | well, that's not right :p | 21:03 |
_StefanS_ | stdin: well I wont break my head with it ;) - it works now | 21:06 |
allee | Lure: about kdepim: add event to calendar. RMB and 'sent icalender'. When you look at the e-mail in kmail start/end time are both 1 hour off (that's my GMT offset). I consider this a bug. At least I've don't added event times as UTC in korganizer | 21:09 |
Lure | allee: that really looks strange... | 21:11 |
Lure | allee: best to ask people in #kontact | 21:12 |
allee | Lure: I'll try your latest pkg before going to #kontact ... | 21:12 |
Lure | allee: I just reproduced with latest package | 21:13 |
Lure | ;-) | 21:13 |
allee | k | 21:13 |
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asc | hello :) | 22:06 |
CheGuevara | hi | 22:07 |
asc | ee. i forgot that i am not ubuntu user, becouse i have debian sid installed now :D but maybe it will be useful for me to come in Developer meeting at wednesday? | 22:09 |
stdin | it's not a developer meeting as such, but you're welcome to join us :) | 22:11 |
Tm_T | sure | 22:11 |
asc | ok, thanks :) | 22:11 |
asc | i thinks bug catching and packaging is interesting :) | 22:11 |
asc | bye! | 22:11 |
jpatrick | asc: later | 22:11 |
TheFluffyOne | I've raised a bug for a small issue with System Settings on Gutsy (https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/175383) -- would anyone be kind enough to verify I'm not just being an idiot? :) | 22:33 |
ubotu | Launchpad bug 175383 in kde-systemsettings "System Settings app doesn't honour icon launch settings" [Undecided,New] | 22:33 |
stdin | TheFluffyOne: this has always been, I'm not 100% sure it's a bug but I guess I can confirm the behaviour | 22:39 |
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TheFluffyOne | stdin: Thanks. It's different behaviour to the rest of the KDE interface IMO so I'd class it as a bug, but I guess that's a matter of opinion :) | 22:56 |
stdin | it's just that it's always been that way, so I'm not sure. but that behaviour is definitely there | 22:57 |
TheFluffyOne | Understood. We'll see what response I get to the bug, if any :) | 23:00 |
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