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RiddellCheGuevara: hi00:00
Riddellstdin: mm, ok, I'll look at that tomorrow00:00
CheGuevarahi Riddell00:07
CheGuevaradid you see my results with fontconfig yesterday/00:07
RiddellCheGuevara: nope, what happened?00:07
CheGuevarainstalling gutsy fontconfig-config00:07
CheGuevarafixes the ugly password dots00:08
Riddellto make them anti-aliased?00:08
CheGuevaraand smaller00:08
CheGuevarano idea though what exactly changed the behaviour00:09
CheGuevaralet me know if u want me to debug more00:11
CheGuevaraalso Riddell kde4 rc 2 packages seem to install KDE 4 .desktop entries to show in KDE 300:14
CheGuevaradon't know if thats intended though00:14
CheGuevaraRiddell: another observation, the dots are fine in firefox00:30
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limachey anyone knows how to get wireless on kubuntu?03:05
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LureRiddell: new kdepim enterprise snapshot is in my PPA - running fine (no new regression) for POP and Disconnected IMAP for me09:35
LureRiddell: they are in feture freeze now and will concentrate on bug fixing now09:35
LureRiddell: [10:29] <vkrause> Bille: hi, Till and me retunred from foss.in yesterday and will concentrate on bugfixing this week09:35
LureRiddell: would it make sense to have it also in gutsy-backports?09:36
elisianohi everyone09:52
RiddellLure: yeah, could do10:05
Riddellhi elisiano10:05
LureRiddell: will you upload it for hardy?10:06
RiddellLure: if you think it's good10:06
elisianowow I'm excited, never talked to a famous developer, lol :)10:06
LureRiddell: I think it is at least as good as what we already have (after 2 days of testing it myself with pop3 and disconnected imap)10:07
LureRiddell: it would be good to get some users of scalix as this is new (I have added packaging) - I want to be sure it is properly packaged10:07
Lureelisiano: don't get scared, Riddell likes to talk with new people ;-)10:08
* elisiano feels better10:08
* Lure recalls how Riddell got him into fixing some bugs mysefl ;-)10:08
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buzLure: need testers of that snapshot? i only use online IMAP however10:56
buzdisconnected imap reliably trashed mails for me10:56
RiddellLure: kdepim_3.5.7enterprise20071207 ?11:13
RiddellLure: shall we up the version to 3.5.8?11:13
Riddellor has upstream not done that11:13
stdinRiddell: I see why kdebase-runtime-bin-kde4 is trying to overwrite kdebase-bib. kwriteconfig, kdebugdialog, kstart and kreadconfig are the same name as in kdebase-bin, so the symlinks it makes in /usr/bin need a pre/suffix11:14
alleebuz: create a test imap account and try disconnected imap again?11:15
buzwell i could never quite reproduce it11:15
alleeLure: is imap known to be fixed or still broken?11:15
buzi just noticed that eventually, mails would vanish11:15
buzespecially on crashes11:15
buzwhich arent that rare with kmail11:16
alleeI'll try it later: Just noticed that when I sent out an meeting korganizer seem to assume that I entered the date in UTC :(11:16
* allee suggests to announce kubuntu-devel meetings via ical attachment. So this pim feature gets more testing ;)11:17
Gular1I've got a few questions about setting up an encrypted install manually  - anyone got ideas/knowledge?11:49
RiddellGular1: user support in #ubuntu, #kubuntu11:56
CheGuevaraRiddell, did you get everything i said yesterday? 'cause u magically disappeared :P11:58
Lureallee: disconnected impa works for me12:17
Lureallee: what is broken for you?12:17
Gular1Riddell: well, I do understand that, but the good folks in #kubuntu doesn't have the answer (I do try to answer a few questions there myself). Anyways, what I'd like to do is to install a encrypted (using dm-crypt and lvm) kubuntu system on a machine that already have windows on the first active partition. basically I'm just looking for directions for how I'd set up the partitioner manually, as "Guided - use entire disk and set up encrypted LVM" is n12:18
LureRiddell: there were several merges with 3.5.8, but I did not get confirmation from #kontact people that this is now considered to be 3.5.8 based12:18
Gular1(ideally there should be an option in the installer that said "use remaining space on drive and set up encrypted system" ;)12:19
Lurebuz: I am using disconnected imap on exchange 2003 and it did not loose e-mail for me for some time12:19
Lurebuz: but I had it once in 3.5.5 times if I recall correctly12:19
stdinHobbsee: don't know if you have or not, but you said to remind you to get meta-kde4 into universe, so I am12:31
Hobbseestdin: oh, thanks!12:31
* Hobbsee requests for it's demotion12:36
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LureRiddell, Hobbsee: since digikam 0.9.3-beta is already in debian/expirimental, can we use that version for merge (instead of old 0.9.2 suggested by MoM)?13:28
HobbseeLure: if you like.  i can't see why not13:29
LureHobbsee: 0.9.3 final should be released before our feature freeze, therefore it makes more sense to do merge there13:30
LureHobbsee: will probably look into this tonight13:30
* Hobbsee nods13:30
RiddellCheGuevara: we seem to keep missing each other about this fontconfig issue14:30
Riddellstdin: do you have kdebase-bin-kde3 installed?14:32
Riddellkdebase-bin-kde3 will overlap with kdebase-runtime-bin-kde414:32
Riddellbut that should be ok14:32
stdinRiddell: kdebase-bin-kde3 doesn't exist, kdebase-bin-kde4 does but it's not installed14:33
Riddellstdin: oh, hrm14:33
Riddellstdin: I guess adding kdebase from hardy to your ppa would be the thing to do14:34
stdinok14:35
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buzLure: that sounds about right for the time frame of my loss15:26
buzthese days i just run dovecot locally :P15:26
buzkmail then fetches mails from remote imap, does spamfiltering and stores the good mails on dovecot15:26
Lurebuz: I recall some disconnected imap fixes and new kde4 version even have a warning when you configure disconnected imap in which cases you may get "suprises"15:27
Artemis_Fowlhi. i am developing a KDE4 app that need root privileges in order to access some files (/boot/grub/menu.lst && /boot/grub/device.map && /etc/mtab) all of which can ba accessed only by root15:50
Artemis_Fowlwhich is the best way to ask for the user to insert the password using KDEsu ib?15:50
Artemis_Fowllib*15:50
RiddellArtemis_Fowl: to run the whole app as root add X-KDE-SubstituteUID=true to the app15:53
Riddellbetter is running another app to do the root bits, which could be setuid root15:53
Riddellit's a #kde4-devel question anyway15:53
Artemis_Fowlfirst of all I just asked there but got no answer15:54
Artemis_Fowlsecondly, isnt there any way to implement this task (asking root password) through my app's code?15:54
RiddellArtemis_Fowl: why would you need to?15:55
Riddellyou can run kdesu something15:55
Artemis_Fowlexample: the user runs the application without root password. However the app NEEDS the password in order to access this files (all it does is this)15:56
Artemis_Fowlso the app should ask for password in order to continue15:57
Riddella process can't raise its own privilages15:57
Riddellit would need to start another app to do the root bits15:57
Riddellfor example gdebi-kde runs itself as root when it needs to install the package15:57
Artemis_Fowlso you propose that I create two executable files one of which will do the root work after the first one requests her to do so?15:58
RiddellArtemis_Fowl: yes15:58
Artemis_Fowlok. seems neat.15:59
Artemis_Fowlin all of the app's previous versions, the app re-run itself when it had no root password and was really hard to debug...16:00
RiddellLure: uploading 4:3.5.7enterprise20071207-1ubuntu1~ppa~lure316:01
LureRiddell: hopefully without ~ppa~lure3 ;-)16:01
Artemis_Fowlthx. bb16:01
RiddellLure: I thought the version number wasn't long enough so I kept that :)16:02
LureRiddell: next time at least add ~riddell~was~here ;-)16:02
Hobbseehahaa16:02
Hobbsee~with~extra~long~pointy~stick~of~doom~flavoring16:03
DaSkreechRiddell: so far I've been through all the drivers for this chipset and they all freeze when I get a tooltip from the taskbar16:44
DaSkreechso it's not the driver16:44
DaSkreechI've only had one freeze not associated with a tooltip16:44
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DaSkreechHmm can the Konqueror media player play wav files?17:25
jpatrickinstalling libxine1-ffmpeg?17:25
DaSkreechjpatrick: no go17:29
Riddell"the Konqueror media player"?17:30
Riddellpretty much anything can play .wav files17:30
DaSkreechF9 -> Media player17:30
DaSkreechThis can't17:30
DaSkreechit recognizes it as a media file17:30
DaSkreech(it doesn't throw a not a media file error) but doesn't make any attempt to play it17:30
jpatrickwhat kpart is it of?17:31
morri guess amarok17:33
DaSkreechno17:41
DaSkreechJsomething if I recall17:42
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DaSkreechlibarts1-mpeglib17:42
CheGuevaraping Riddell17:45
Riddellhi CheGuevara17:47
CheGuevarai finally catch you :P17:47
CheGuevarahere's what i said yesterday17:48
CheGuevara<CheGuevara> fixes the ugly password dots17:48
CheGuevara<Riddell> to make them anti-aliased?17:48
CheGuevara<CheGuevara> and smaller17:48
CheGuevara<CheGuevara> no idea though what exactly changed the behaviour17:48
CheGuevara<CheGuevara> let me know if u want me to debug more17:48
CheGuevara<CheGuevara> also Riddell kde4 rc 2 packages seem to install KDE 4 .desktop entries to show in KDE 317:48
DaSkreechChe!!17:48
CheGuevara<CheGuevara> don't know if thats intended though17:48
CheGuevaralol17:48
CheGuevarai am alive!17:48
sebasIt is intended.17:48
CheGuevaraoh right17:49
CheGuevaraits just most of them don't show their icons17:49
CheGuevaraso it looks fugly :P17:49
sebasOtherwise GTK apps wouldn't show up in the menu17:50
RiddellCheGuevara: so it goes back to being unable to draw the password circle character and falls back on the alternate character17:50
Riddellyes, it's intended to have KDE 4 apps in the normal menu, KDE 4 should integrate as well as anything17:51
CheGuevaraRiddell: I am honestly not sure what happens exactly17:53
CheGuevarainteresting question would be if its the new version of fontconfig that does it or the ubuntu patches17:54
CheGuevaralooking at the change log the only relevant thing i can see is prefer "Standard Symbols L" as symbol font17:57
CheGuevarato fix #3774517:57
CheGuevaraactually18:00
CheGuevarathats been there since Dapper :P18:00
CheGuevarabut as I said Riddell I am not really sure which step to take next in getting to the bottom of this, so let me know18:04
RiddellI'm not sure either18:07
Riddellfontconfig is quite a mystery18:07
CheGuevaraheh18:08
CheGuevarathis will have to be fixed eventually though18:08
CheGuevara'cause its a LTS release and this is a noticable reqgression18:08
CheGuevaraanother question would be does say GDM show the same issue18:08
Riddelllet's not get too excited about LTS18:09
RiddellI doubt it does affect gtk or qt 418:09
CheGuevaraheh am not really, i like to use bleeding edge so LTS is no excitement for me :P18:11
CheGuevarai could file a bug against fontconfig and let them hanle it18:11
CheGuevaratheres #17422918:14
CheGuevaranot sure if its the same18:14
Riddellbug 17422918:15
ubotuLaunchpad bug 174229 in fontconfig "[hardy] fonts smaller after update" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/17422918:15
CheGuevaramentions QT, but it could just be that QT 3 apps font rendering is messed for ubuntu users18:16
CheGuevaraif i can figure out how to make my system actually use kdm from kde4 then i could see if its there also18:17
RiddellI doubt there's anything special about kdm, use kdialog --password18:18
CheGuevaraah18:18
CheGuevarai didn't think of that :P18:18
CheGuevaralet me just install the latest updates and i'll go into kde 418:20
yevgenIs there any issues updating to Hardy Alpha with apt-get/aptitude?18:35
yevgenOr it is better to download and install it from ISO?18:35
CheGuevararight brb18:56
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CheGuevaragod xchat is ugly in kde 4 :P18:58
CheGuevarayep Riddell the password dots are nice and anti-aliased in KDE 418:59
Riddellstdin: new kde4libs, kdepimlibs, kdebase-runtime, kdebase-kde4 and kdebase-workspace in hardy19:09
Riddellalso kdeedu-kde419:09
CheGuevarain kde4-meta now in hardy?19:11
Riddellnot sure where it's gone19:11
CheGuevarayep its there19:13
CheGuevarathere = universe19:13
CheGuevarathough https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/hardy-changes/2007-December/002995.html says main :P19:14
CheGuevaraand it don't work as well19:15
CheGuevaraThe following packages have unmet dependencies.19:15
CheGuevara  kde4: Depends: kde4-amusements (>= 1.0) but it is not going to be installed19:15
CheGuevara:P19:15
stdinRiddell: don't see a new -runtime and -workspace yet, I'm uploading the rest19:34
Riddellstdin: ok no new -runtime , -workspace I just reuploaded19:39
Riddellstdin: would you be able to upload them to your ppa as hardy as well?  I fear that universe is just too slow to build from19:39
stdinRiddell: I guess that should be simple :)19:40
Riddellstdin: kdegames-kde4 also up now19:43
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bddebianHehya19:46
ScottKHi there bddebian19:49
bddebianHeya ScottK19:49
X2BHello everybody. I was here about a week ago because I had some problems concerning kmilo and surround systems. Does anyone remember me? I wrote a patch for kmilo applying to the kdeutils 3.5.8 package. If anyone is interested in it I would be happy to give it to you.19:51
RiddellX2B: what does the patch do?19:54
X2BWEll, it adds some lines so that the dcop call also applies to the rear speakers19:57
CheGuevaraX2B: have you tried submiting it upstream?20:03
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X2BWell, lets say that I don't know so much about how that stuff usually works... I would do whatever you want with it...20:04
RiddellCheGuevara: upstream isn't maintained and we fork it quite a bit20:08
RiddellX2B: sure, put the patch on a web server somewhere20:08
X2BAnd where is somewhere? I don't even know if that is a kde-devel oder kubuntu-devel issue20:09
CheGuevaraoh right sorry Riddell20:17
CheGuevaraX2B: DCC it to me and i'll upload it on my server if u want20:18
bddebianWow, murderous dicatators now work on Ubuntu, nice :-)20:19
ScottKbddebian: ??20:19
ScottKOh, him?  Never made it to actual dictator.20:20
bddebianScottK: Che Guevara20:20
ScottKOnly wanted to be.20:20
CheGuevarai prefer freedom fighter :P20:20
CheGuevaraok i don't think my router is liking this20:21
CheGuevaraX2B: che_guevara_3@bk.ru20:21
bddebianSo Hitler was a Freedom fighter? (Godwin's law in record time) :-)20:22
CheGuevaralol comparing Che and Hitler is like comparing Bill and Linus :P20:23
bddebianAh right, Che only locked up the gays, not gassed/burned them eh?20:23
ScottKbddebian: It's totally different.  One was successful and one wasn't.20:25
CheGuevarabddebian, we're talking about 60s here20:25
CheGuevaramay be you should remember what was happening to blacks in ur own country20:26
CheGuevara:P20:26
bddebianAnd that makes it right?20:27
CheGuevarano20:27
CheGuevaraits times20:27
CheGuevaratimes change20:27
CheGuevarawhat wasn't right once is right now20:27
CheGuevarafor better or for worse20:27
ScottKYes, but not really relevant to this case.20:28
bddebianI don't see too many people "hero worshipping" many KKK leaders20:28
ScottKIMO, Che was wrong then fighting to move things from bad to worse, but probably enough about that.20:28
CheGuevaraneither is comparing a socialist revolutionary with a nazi20:28
Tm_Thmmm20:29
Tm_TCheGuevara: thanks for hilighting20:29
CheGuevarahmm?20:29
Tm_T"nazi" is in my hilight list ;)20:30
CheGuevaralol20:30
stdinyeah, and mine :p20:30
CheGuevaraX2B: ur patch just arrived20:31
Tm_Tthat reminds me, I'm sort of collecting old DDR stuff :p20:31
CheGuevaraRiddell or anyone else http://tvu.org.ru/kmilo.patch20:33
ScottKCheGuevara: Che wasn't a socialist, he was a dedicated Communist and the practical distinction between that and the other group I won't say because so many people highlight on the word is really just a matter of detail.20:38
RiddellCheGuevara: that's X2B's patch?20:41
CheGuevaratrue, he's a marxist20:41
CheGuevaraRiddell, aye20:41
CheGuevaratoo bad communism is not possible in the corrent world though :P20:42
CheGuevara*current20:42
stdinRiddell: I still don't see a new -runtime, still on -1ubuntu320:42
RiddellX2B: does this work with 2 speaker systems?20:45
Riddellstdin: no new -runtime20:45
stdinRiddell: ah, thought you said there was a new one along with -workspace20:45
Riddellstdin: I did, but I was wrong :)20:47
stdinheh, ok :) it's a good job you don't get build failure messages from ppa, because you'd be about to get a flood20:48
Riddellstdin: why?20:49
stdinjust because I forgot to change one of the build-deps to use backport release20:50
_StefanS_hi..20:50
_StefanS_anyone tried that konqueror looses its association with folders ?20:51
stdin"libsoprano-dev (>= 1.98.0~rc1-1)" and it has 1.98.0~rc1-1~gutsy1~ppa120:51
_StefanS_and I'm kinda lost at restoring it.. dpkg-reconfigure doesnt do it..20:51
_StefanS_thats on gutsy after upgrading from feisty20:52
_StefanS_really odd..20:55
stdinshouldn't dolphin be associated with directories when you upgrade > gutsy?20:56
_StefanS_well yes, but I removed it, and konqueror takes over20:59
_StefanS_it works fine on my 4 machines20:59
_StefanS_stdin: however this is a friends machine, and I dont know what  he did20:59
stdintry setting it manually, from konqueror's settings20:59
stdin!dolphin20:59
ubotuDolphin, or more properly D3lphin, is the new default file manager for Kubuntu 7.10 Gutsy Gibbon. If you would like to make Konqueror your default file manager again, go to Konqueror - Settings menu - Configure Konqueror - File Associations and change the association for inode/directory and inode/system_directory to Konqueror at the top rather than Dolphin.20:59
stdinusing those instructions it should work20:59
_StefanS_ah cool21:00
_StefanS_thanks21:00
_StefanS_stdin: somehow k3b had taken over all those associations.. dont ask me how ;)21:03
stdinwell, that's not right :p21:03
_StefanS_stdin: well I wont break my head with it ;) - it works now21:06
alleeLure: about kdepim: add event to calendar.  RMB and 'sent icalender'.  When you look at the e-mail in kmail start/end time are both 1 hour off  (that's my GMT offset).  I consider this a bug. At least I've don't added event times as UTC in korganizer21:09
Lureallee: that really looks strange...21:11
Lureallee: best to ask people in #kontact21:12
alleeLure: I'll try your latest pkg before going to #kontact ...21:12
Lureallee: I just reproduced with latest package21:13
Lure;-)21:13
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aschello :)22:06
CheGuevarahi22:07
ascee. i forgot that i am not ubuntu user, becouse i have debian sid installed now :D but maybe it will be useful for me to come in Developer meeting at wednesday?22:09
stdinit's not a developer meeting as such, but you're welcome to join us :)22:11
Tm_Tsure22:11
ascok, thanks :)22:11
asci thinks bug catching and packaging is interesting :)22:11
ascbye!22:11
jpatrickasc: later22:11
TheFluffyOneI've raised a bug for a small issue with System Settings on Gutsy (https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/175383) -- would anyone be kind enough to verify I'm not just being an idiot? :)22:33
ubotuLaunchpad bug 175383 in kde-systemsettings "System Settings app doesn't honour icon launch settings" [Undecided,New]22:33
stdinTheFluffyOne: this has always been, I'm not 100% sure it's a bug but I guess I can confirm the behaviour22:39
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TheFluffyOnestdin: Thanks. It's different behaviour to the rest of the KDE interface IMO so I'd class it as a bug, but I guess that's a matter of opinion :)22:56
stdinit's just that it's always been that way, so I'm not sure. but that behaviour is definitely there22:57
TheFluffyOneUnderstood. We'll see what response I get to the bug, if any :)23:00
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