[00:00] CheGuevara: hi [00:00] stdin: mm, ok, I'll look at that tomorrow [00:07] hi Riddell [00:07] did you see my results with fontconfig yesterday/ [00:07] CheGuevara: nope, what happened? [00:07] installing gutsy fontconfig-config [00:08] fixes the ugly password dots [00:08] to make them anti-aliased? [00:08] and smaller [00:09] no idea though what exactly changed the behaviour [00:11] let me know if u want me to debug more [00:14] also Riddell kde4 rc 2 packages seem to install KDE 4 .desktop entries to show in KDE 3 [00:14] don't know if thats intended though [00:30] Riddell: another observation, the dots are fine in firefox === jjesse_ is now known as jjesse === claydoh__ is now known as claydoh [03:05] hey anyone knows how to get wireless on kubuntu? === Shely is now known as iE18 === NeZticle__ is now known as NeZticle === \sh_away is now known as \sh === luka74 is now known as Lure [09:35] Riddell: new kdepim enterprise snapshot is in my PPA - running fine (no new regression) for POP and Disconnected IMAP for me [09:35] Riddell: they are in feture freeze now and will concentrate on bug fixing now [09:35] Riddell: [10:29] Bille: hi, Till and me retunred from foss.in yesterday and will concentrate on bugfixing this week [09:36] Riddell: would it make sense to have it also in gutsy-backports? [09:52] hi everyone [10:05] Lure: yeah, could do [10:05] hi elisiano [10:06] Riddell: will you upload it for hardy? [10:06] Lure: if you think it's good [10:06] wow I'm excited, never talked to a famous developer, lol :) [10:07] Riddell: I think it is at least as good as what we already have (after 2 days of testing it myself with pop3 and disconnected imap) [10:07] Riddell: it would be good to get some users of scalix as this is new (I have added packaging) - I want to be sure it is properly packaged [10:08] elisiano: don't get scared, Riddell likes to talk with new people ;-) [10:08] * elisiano feels better [10:08] * Lure recalls how Riddell got him into fixing some bugs mysefl ;-) === elisiano is now known as elisiano_ === elisiano_ is now known as elisiano [10:56] Lure: need testers of that snapshot? i only use online IMAP however [10:56] disconnected imap reliably trashed mails for me [11:13] Lure: kdepim_3.5.7enterprise20071207 ? [11:13] Lure: shall we up the version to 3.5.8? [11:13] or has upstream not done that [11:14] Riddell: I see why kdebase-runtime-bin-kde4 is trying to overwrite kdebase-bib. kwriteconfig, kdebugdialog, kstart and kreadconfig are the same name as in kdebase-bin, so the symlinks it makes in /usr/bin need a pre/suffix [11:15] buz: create a test imap account and try disconnected imap again? [11:15] well i could never quite reproduce it [11:15] Lure: is imap known to be fixed or still broken? [11:15] i just noticed that eventually, mails would vanish [11:15] especially on crashes [11:16] which arent that rare with kmail [11:16] I'll try it later: Just noticed that when I sent out an meeting korganizer seem to assume that I entered the date in UTC :( [11:17] * allee suggests to announce kubuntu-devel meetings via ical attachment. So this pim feature gets more testing ;) [11:49] I've got a few questions about setting up an encrypted install manually - anyone got ideas/knowledge? [11:56] Gular1: user support in #ubuntu, #kubuntu [11:58] Riddell, did you get everything i said yesterday? 'cause u magically disappeared :P [12:17] allee: disconnected impa works for me [12:17] allee: what is broken for you? [12:18] Riddell: well, I do understand that, but the good folks in #kubuntu doesn't have the answer (I do try to answer a few questions there myself). Anyways, what I'd like to do is to install a encrypted (using dm-crypt and lvm) kubuntu system on a machine that already have windows on the first active partition. basically I'm just looking for directions for how I'd set up the partitioner manually, as "Guided - use entire disk and set up encrypted LVM" is n [12:18] Riddell: there were several merges with 3.5.8, but I did not get confirmation from #kontact people that this is now considered to be 3.5.8 based [12:19] (ideally there should be an option in the installer that said "use remaining space on drive and set up encrypted system" ;) [12:19] buz: I am using disconnected imap on exchange 2003 and it did not loose e-mail for me for some time [12:19] buz: but I had it once in 3.5.5 times if I recall correctly [12:31] Hobbsee: don't know if you have or not, but you said to remind you to get meta-kde4 into universe, so I am [12:31] stdin: oh, thanks! [12:36] * Hobbsee requests for it's demotion === meduxa is now known as toscalix [13:28] Riddell, Hobbsee: since digikam 0.9.3-beta is already in debian/expirimental, can we use that version for merge (instead of old 0.9.2 suggested by MoM)? [13:29] Lure: if you like. i can't see why not [13:30] Hobbsee: 0.9.3 final should be released before our feature freeze, therefore it makes more sense to do merge there [13:30] Hobbsee: will probably look into this tonight [13:30] * Hobbsee nods [14:30] CheGuevara: we seem to keep missing each other about this fontconfig issue [14:32] stdin: do you have kdebase-bin-kde3 installed? [14:32] kdebase-bin-kde3 will overlap with kdebase-runtime-bin-kde4 [14:32] but that should be ok [14:33] Riddell: kdebase-bin-kde3 doesn't exist, kdebase-bin-kde4 does but it's not installed [14:33] stdin: oh, hrm [14:34] stdin: I guess adding kdebase from hardy to your ppa would be the thing to do [14:35] ok === Nightrose2 is now known as Nightrose [15:26] Lure: that sounds about right for the time frame of my loss [15:26] these days i just run dovecot locally :P [15:26] kmail then fetches mails from remote imap, does spamfiltering and stores the good mails on dovecot [15:27] buz: I recall some disconnected imap fixes and new kde4 version even have a warning when you configure disconnected imap in which cases you may get "suprises" [15:50] hi. i am developing a KDE4 app that need root privileges in order to access some files (/boot/grub/menu.lst && /boot/grub/device.map && /etc/mtab) all of which can ba accessed only by root [15:50] which is the best way to ask for the user to insert the password using KDEsu ib? [15:50] lib* [15:53] Artemis_Fowl: to run the whole app as root add X-KDE-SubstituteUID=true to the app [15:53] better is running another app to do the root bits, which could be setuid root [15:53] it's a #kde4-devel question anyway [15:54] first of all I just asked there but got no answer [15:54] secondly, isnt there any way to implement this task (asking root password) through my app's code? [15:55] Artemis_Fowl: why would you need to? [15:55] you can run kdesu something [15:56] example: the user runs the application without root password. However the app NEEDS the password in order to access this files (all it does is this) [15:57] so the app should ask for password in order to continue [15:57] a process can't raise its own privilages [15:57] it would need to start another app to do the root bits [15:57] for example gdebi-kde runs itself as root when it needs to install the package [15:58] so you propose that I create two executable files one of which will do the root work after the first one requests her to do so? [15:58] Artemis_Fowl: yes [15:59] ok. seems neat. [16:00] in all of the app's previous versions, the app re-run itself when it had no root password and was really hard to debug... [16:01] Lure: uploading 4:3.5.7enterprise20071207-1ubuntu1~ppa~lure3 [16:01] Riddell: hopefully without ~ppa~lure3 ;-) [16:01] thx. bb [16:02] Lure: I thought the version number wasn't long enough so I kept that :) [16:02] Riddell: next time at least add ~riddell~was~here ;-) [16:02] hahaa [16:03] ~with~extra~long~pointy~stick~of~doom~flavoring [16:44] Riddell: so far I've been through all the drivers for this chipset and they all freeze when I get a tooltip from the taskbar [16:44] so it's not the driver [16:44] I've only had one freeze not associated with a tooltip === \sh is now known as \sh_away [17:25] Hmm can the Konqueror media player play wav files? [17:25] installing libxine1-ffmpeg? [17:29] jpatrick: no go [17:30] "the Konqueror media player"? [17:30] pretty much anything can play .wav files [17:30] F9 -> Media player [17:30] This can't [17:30] it recognizes it as a media file [17:30] (it doesn't throw a not a media file error) but doesn't make any attempt to play it [17:31] what kpart is it of? [17:33] i guess amarok [17:41] no [17:42] Jsomething if I recall === jpatrick_ is now known as jpatrick [17:42] libarts1-mpeglib [17:45] ping Riddell [17:47] hi CheGuevara [17:47] i finally catch you :P [17:48] here's what i said yesterday [17:48] fixes the ugly password dots [17:48] to make them anti-aliased? [17:48] and smaller [17:48] no idea though what exactly changed the behaviour [17:48] let me know if u want me to debug more [17:48] also Riddell kde4 rc 2 packages seem to install KDE 4 .desktop entries to show in KDE 3 [17:48] Che!! [17:48] don't know if thats intended though [17:48] lol [17:48] i am alive! [17:48] It is intended. [17:49] oh right [17:49] its just most of them don't show their icons [17:49] so it looks fugly :P [17:50] Otherwise GTK apps wouldn't show up in the menu [17:50] CheGuevara: so it goes back to being unable to draw the password circle character and falls back on the alternate character [17:51] yes, it's intended to have KDE 4 apps in the normal menu, KDE 4 should integrate as well as anything [17:53] Riddell: I am honestly not sure what happens exactly [17:54] interesting question would be if its the new version of fontconfig that does it or the ubuntu patches [17:57] looking at the change log the only relevant thing i can see is prefer "Standard Symbols L" as symbol font [17:57] to fix #37745 [18:00] actually [18:00] thats been there since Dapper :P [18:04] but as I said Riddell I am not really sure which step to take next in getting to the bottom of this, so let me know [18:07] I'm not sure either [18:07] fontconfig is quite a mystery [18:08] heh [18:08] this will have to be fixed eventually though [18:08] 'cause its a LTS release and this is a noticable reqgression [18:08] another question would be does say GDM show the same issue [18:09] let's not get too excited about LTS [18:09] I doubt it does affect gtk or qt 4 [18:11] heh am not really, i like to use bleeding edge so LTS is no excitement for me :P [18:11] i could file a bug against fontconfig and let them hanle it [18:14] theres #174229 [18:14] not sure if its the same [18:15] bug 174229 [18:15] Launchpad bug 174229 in fontconfig "[hardy] fonts smaller after update" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174229 [18:16] mentions QT, but it could just be that QT 3 apps font rendering is messed for ubuntu users [18:17] if i can figure out how to make my system actually use kdm from kde4 then i could see if its there also [18:18] I doubt there's anything special about kdm, use kdialog --password [18:18] ah [18:18] i didn't think of that :P [18:20] let me just install the latest updates and i'll go into kde 4 [18:35] Is there any issues updating to Hardy Alpha with apt-get/aptitude? [18:35] Or it is better to download and install it from ISO? [18:56] right brb === cheguevara is now known as CheGuevara [18:58] god xchat is ugly in kde 4 :P [18:59] yep Riddell the password dots are nice and anti-aliased in KDE 4 [19:09] stdin: new kde4libs, kdepimlibs, kdebase-runtime, kdebase-kde4 and kdebase-workspace in hardy [19:09] also kdeedu-kde4 [19:11] in kde4-meta now in hardy? [19:11] not sure where it's gone [19:13] yep its there [19:13] there = universe [19:14] though https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/hardy-changes/2007-December/002995.html says main :P [19:15] and it don't work as well [19:15] The following packages have unmet dependencies. [19:15] kde4: Depends: kde4-amusements (>= 1.0) but it is not going to be installed [19:15] :P [19:34] Riddell: don't see a new -runtime and -workspace yet, I'm uploading the rest [19:39] stdin: ok no new -runtime , -workspace I just reuploaded [19:39] stdin: would you be able to upload them to your ppa as hardy as well? I fear that universe is just too slow to build from [19:40] Riddell: I guess that should be simple :) [19:43] stdin: kdegames-kde4 also up now [19:43] * stdin multi-tasks [19:46] Hehya [19:49] Hi there bddebian [19:49] Heya ScottK [19:51] Hello everybody. I was here about a week ago because I had some problems concerning kmilo and surround systems. Does anyone remember me? I wrote a patch for kmilo applying to the kdeutils 3.5.8 package. If anyone is interested in it I would be happy to give it to you. [19:54] X2B: what does the patch do? [19:57] WEll, it adds some lines so that the dcop call also applies to the rear speakers [20:03] X2B: have you tried submiting it upstream? === apachelogger is now known as onairlogger [20:04] Well, lets say that I don't know so much about how that stuff usually works... I would do whatever you want with it... [20:08] CheGuevara: upstream isn't maintained and we fork it quite a bit [20:08] X2B: sure, put the patch on a web server somewhere [20:09] And where is somewhere? I don't even know if that is a kde-devel oder kubuntu-devel issue [20:17] oh right sorry Riddell [20:18] X2B: DCC it to me and i'll upload it on my server if u want [20:19] Wow, murderous dicatators now work on Ubuntu, nice :-) [20:19] bddebian: ?? [20:20] Oh, him? Never made it to actual dictator. [20:20] ScottK: Che Guevara [20:20] Only wanted to be. [20:20] i prefer freedom fighter :P [20:21] ok i don't think my router is liking this [20:21] X2B: che_guevara_3@bk.ru [20:22] So Hitler was a Freedom fighter? (Godwin's law in record time) :-) [20:23] lol comparing Che and Hitler is like comparing Bill and Linus :P [20:23] Ah right, Che only locked up the gays, not gassed/burned them eh? [20:25] bddebian: It's totally different. One was successful and one wasn't. [20:25] bddebian, we're talking about 60s here [20:26] may be you should remember what was happening to blacks in ur own country [20:26] :P [20:27] And that makes it right? [20:27] no [20:27] its times [20:27] times change [20:27] what wasn't right once is right now [20:27] for better or for worse [20:28] Yes, but not really relevant to this case. [20:28] I don't see too many people "hero worshipping" many KKK leaders [20:28] IMO, Che was wrong then fighting to move things from bad to worse, but probably enough about that. [20:28] neither is comparing a socialist revolutionary with a nazi [20:29] hmmm [20:29] CheGuevara: thanks for hilighting [20:29] hmm? [20:30] "nazi" is in my hilight list ;) [20:30] lol [20:30] yeah, and mine :p [20:31] X2B: ur patch just arrived [20:31] that reminds me, I'm sort of collecting old DDR stuff :p [20:33] Riddell or anyone else http://tvu.org.ru/kmilo.patch [20:38] CheGuevara: Che wasn't a socialist, he was a dedicated Communist and the practical distinction between that and the other group I won't say because so many people highlight on the word is really just a matter of detail. [20:41] CheGuevara: that's X2B's patch? [20:41] true, he's a marxist [20:41] Riddell, aye [20:42] too bad communism is not possible in the corrent world though :P [20:42] *current [20:42] Riddell: I still don't see a new -runtime, still on -1ubuntu3 [20:45] X2B: does this work with 2 speaker systems? [20:45] stdin: no new -runtime [20:45] Riddell: ah, thought you said there was a new one along with -workspace [20:47] stdin: I did, but I was wrong :) [20:48] heh, ok :) it's a good job you don't get build failure messages from ppa, because you'd be about to get a flood [20:49] stdin: why? [20:50] just because I forgot to change one of the build-deps to use backport release [20:50] <_StefanS_> hi.. [20:51] <_StefanS_> anyone tried that konqueror looses its association with folders ? [20:51] "libsoprano-dev (>= 1.98.0~rc1-1)" and it has 1.98.0~rc1-1~gutsy1~ppa1 [20:51] <_StefanS_> and I'm kinda lost at restoring it.. dpkg-reconfigure doesnt do it.. [20:52] <_StefanS_> thats on gutsy after upgrading from feisty [20:55] <_StefanS_> really odd.. [20:56] shouldn't dolphin be associated with directories when you upgrade > gutsy? [20:59] <_StefanS_> well yes, but I removed it, and konqueror takes over [20:59] <_StefanS_> it works fine on my 4 machines [20:59] <_StefanS_> stdin: however this is a friends machine, and I dont know what he did [20:59] try setting it manually, from konqueror's settings [20:59] !dolphin [20:59] Dolphin, or more properly D3lphin, is the new default file manager for Kubuntu 7.10 Gutsy Gibbon. If you would like to make Konqueror your default file manager again, go to Konqueror - Settings menu - Configure Konqueror - File Associations and change the association for inode/directory and inode/system_directory to Konqueror at the top rather than Dolphin. [20:59] using those instructions it should work [21:00] <_StefanS_> ah cool [21:00] <_StefanS_> thanks [21:03] <_StefanS_> stdin: somehow k3b had taken over all those associations.. dont ask me how ;) [21:03] well, that's not right :p [21:06] <_StefanS_> stdin: well I wont break my head with it ;) - it works now [21:09] Lure: about kdepim: add event to calendar. RMB and 'sent icalender'. When you look at the e-mail in kmail start/end time are both 1 hour off (that's my GMT offset). I consider this a bug. At least I've don't added event times as UTC in korganizer [21:11] allee: that really looks strange... [21:12] allee: best to ask people in #kontact [21:12] Lure: I'll try your latest pkg before going to #kontact ... [21:13] allee: I just reproduced with latest package [21:13] ;-) [21:13] k === NeZticle___ is now known as NeZticle === Mez is now known as Mez|OnAir [22:06] hello :) [22:07] hi [22:09] ee. i forgot that i am not ubuntu user, becouse i have debian sid installed now :D but maybe it will be useful for me to come in Developer meeting at wednesday? [22:11] it's not a developer meeting as such, but you're welcome to join us :) [22:11] sure [22:11] ok, thanks :) [22:11] i thinks bug catching and packaging is interesting :) [22:11] bye! [22:11] asc: later [22:33] I've raised a bug for a small issue with System Settings on Gutsy (https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/175383) -- would anyone be kind enough to verify I'm not just being an idiot? :) [22:33] Launchpad bug 175383 in kde-systemsettings "System Settings app doesn't honour icon launch settings" [Undecided,New] [22:39] TheFluffyOne: this has always been, I'm not 100% sure it's a bug but I guess I can confirm the behaviour === neversfelde_ is now known as neversfelde [22:56] stdin: Thanks. It's different behaviour to the rest of the KDE interface IMO so I'd class it as a bug, but I guess that's a matter of opinion :) [22:57] it's just that it's always been that way, so I'm not sure. but that behaviour is definitely there [23:00] Understood. We'll see what response I get to the bug, if any :) === uga is now known as uga|away