[00:00] <Riddell> CheGuevara: hi
[00:00] <Riddell> stdin: mm, ok, I'll look at that tomorrow
[00:07] <CheGuevara> hi Riddell
[00:07] <CheGuevara> did you see my results with fontconfig yesterday/
[00:07] <Riddell> CheGuevara: nope, what happened?
[00:07] <CheGuevara> installing gutsy fontconfig-config
[00:08] <CheGuevara> fixes the ugly password dots
[00:08] <Riddell> to make them anti-aliased?
[00:08] <CheGuevara> and smaller
[00:09] <CheGuevara> no idea though what exactly changed the behaviour
[00:11] <CheGuevara> let me know if u want me to debug more
[00:14] <CheGuevara> also Riddell kde4 rc 2 packages seem to install KDE 4 .desktop entries to show in KDE 3
[00:14] <CheGuevara> don't know if thats intended though
[00:30] <CheGuevara> Riddell: another observation, the dots are fine in firefox
[03:05] <limac> hey anyone knows how to get wireless on kubuntu?
[09:35] <Lure> Riddell: new kdepim enterprise snapshot is in my PPA - running fine (no new regression) for POP and Disconnected IMAP for me
[09:35] <Lure> Riddell: they are in feture freeze now and will concentrate on bug fixing now
[09:35] <Lure> Riddell: [10:29] <vkrause> Bille: hi, Till and me retunred from foss.in yesterday and will concentrate on bugfixing this week
[09:36] <Lure> Riddell: would it make sense to have it also in gutsy-backports?
[09:52] <elisiano> hi everyone
[10:05] <Riddell> Lure: yeah, could do
[10:05] <Riddell> hi elisiano
[10:06] <Lure> Riddell: will you upload it for hardy?
[10:06] <Riddell> Lure: if you think it's good
[10:06] <elisiano> wow I'm excited, never talked to a famous developer, lol :)
[10:07] <Lure> Riddell: I think it is at least as good as what we already have (after 2 days of testing it myself with pop3 and disconnected imap)
[10:07] <Lure> Riddell: it would be good to get some users of scalix as this is new (I have added packaging) - I want to be sure it is properly packaged
[10:08] <Lure> elisiano: don't get scared, Riddell likes to talk with new people ;-)
[10:08]  * elisiano feels better
[10:08]  * Lure recalls how Riddell got him into fixing some bugs mysefl ;-)
[10:56] <buz> Lure: need testers of that snapshot? i only use online IMAP however
[10:56] <buz> disconnected imap reliably trashed mails for me
[11:13] <Riddell> Lure: kdepim_3.5.7enterprise20071207 ?
[11:13] <Riddell> Lure: shall we up the version to 3.5.8?
[11:13] <Riddell> or has upstream not done that
[11:14] <stdin> Riddell: I see why kdebase-runtime-bin-kde4 is trying to overwrite kdebase-bib. kwriteconfig, kdebugdialog, kstart and kreadconfig are the same name as in kdebase-bin, so the symlinks it makes in /usr/bin need a pre/suffix
[11:15] <allee> buz: create a test imap account and try disconnected imap again?
[11:15] <buz> well i could never quite reproduce it
[11:15] <allee> Lure: is imap known to be fixed or still broken?
[11:15] <buz> i just noticed that eventually, mails would vanish
[11:15] <buz> especially on crashes
[11:16] <buz> which arent that rare with kmail
[11:16] <allee> I'll try it later: Just noticed that when I sent out an meeting korganizer seem to assume that I entered the date in UTC :(
[11:17]  * allee suggests to announce kubuntu-devel meetings via ical attachment.  So this pim feature gets more testing ;)
[11:49] <Gular1> I've got a few questions about setting up an encrypted install manually  - anyone got ideas/knowledge?
[11:56] <Riddell> Gular1: user support in #ubuntu, #kubuntu
[11:58] <CheGuevara> Riddell, did you get everything i said yesterday? 'cause u magically disappeared :P
[12:17] <Lure> allee: disconnected impa works for me
[12:17] <Lure> allee: what is broken for you?
[12:18] <Gular1> Riddell: well, I do understand that, but the good folks in #kubuntu doesn't have the answer (I do try to answer a few questions there myself). Anyways, what I'd like to do is to install a encrypted (using dm-crypt and lvm) kubuntu system on a machine that already have windows on the first active partition. basically I'm just looking for directions for how I'd set up the partitioner manually, as "Guided - use entire disk and set up encrypted LVM" is n
[12:18] <Lure> Riddell: there were several merges with 3.5.8, but I did not get confirmation from #kontact people that this is now considered to be 3.5.8 based
[12:19] <Gular1> (ideally there should be an option in the installer that said "use remaining space on drive and set up encrypted system" ;)
[12:19] <Lure> buz: I am using disconnected imap on exchange 2003 and it did not loose e-mail for me for some time
[12:19] <Lure> buz: but I had it once in 3.5.5 times if I recall correctly
[12:31] <stdin> Hobbsee: don't know if you have or not, but you said to remind you to get meta-kde4 into universe, so I am
[12:31] <Hobbsee> stdin: oh, thanks!
[12:36]  * Hobbsee requests for it's demotion
[13:28] <Lure> Riddell, Hobbsee: since digikam 0.9.3-beta is already in debian/expirimental, can we use that version for merge (instead of old 0.9.2 suggested by MoM)?
[13:29] <Hobbsee> Lure: if you like.  i can't see why not
[13:30] <Lure> Hobbsee: 0.9.3 final should be released before our feature freeze, therefore it makes more sense to do merge there
[13:30] <Lure> Hobbsee: will probably look into this tonight
[13:30]  * Hobbsee nods
[14:30] <Riddell> CheGuevara: we seem to keep missing each other about this fontconfig issue
[14:32] <Riddell> stdin: do you have kdebase-bin-kde3 installed?
[14:32] <Riddell> kdebase-bin-kde3 will overlap with kdebase-runtime-bin-kde4
[14:32] <Riddell> but that should be ok
[14:33] <stdin> Riddell: kdebase-bin-kde3 doesn't exist, kdebase-bin-kde4 does but it's not installed
[14:33] <Riddell> stdin: oh, hrm
[14:34] <Riddell> stdin: I guess adding kdebase from hardy to your ppa would be the thing to do
[14:35] <stdin> ok
[15:26] <buz> Lure: that sounds about right for the time frame of my loss
[15:26] <buz> these days i just run dovecot locally :P
[15:26] <buz> kmail then fetches mails from remote imap, does spamfiltering and stores the good mails on dovecot
[15:27] <Lure> buz: I recall some disconnected imap fixes and new kde4 version even have a warning when you configure disconnected imap in which cases you may get "suprises"
[15:50] <Artemis_Fowl> hi. i am developing a KDE4 app that need root privileges in order to access some files (/boot/grub/menu.lst && /boot/grub/device.map && /etc/mtab) all of which can ba accessed only by root
[15:50] <Artemis_Fowl> which is the best way to ask for the user to insert the password using KDEsu ib?
[15:50] <Artemis_Fowl> lib*
[15:53] <Riddell> Artemis_Fowl: to run the whole app as root add X-KDE-SubstituteUID=true to the app
[15:53] <Riddell> better is running another app to do the root bits, which could be setuid root
[15:53] <Riddell> it's a #kde4-devel question anyway
[15:54] <Artemis_Fowl> first of all I just asked there but got no answer
[15:54] <Artemis_Fowl> secondly, isnt there any way to implement this task (asking root password) through my app's code?
[15:55] <Riddell> Artemis_Fowl: why would you need to?
[15:55] <Riddell> you can run kdesu something
[15:56] <Artemis_Fowl> example: the user runs the application without root password. However the app NEEDS the password in order to access this files (all it does is this)
[15:57] <Artemis_Fowl> so the app should ask for password in order to continue
[15:57] <Riddell> a process can't raise its own privilages
[15:57] <Riddell> it would need to start another app to do the root bits
[15:57] <Riddell> for example gdebi-kde runs itself as root when it needs to install the package
[15:58] <Artemis_Fowl> so you propose that I create two executable files one of which will do the root work after the first one requests her to do so?
[15:58] <Riddell> Artemis_Fowl: yes
[15:59] <Artemis_Fowl> ok. seems neat.
[16:00] <Artemis_Fowl> in all of the app's previous versions, the app re-run itself when it had no root password and was really hard to debug...
[16:01] <Riddell> Lure: uploading 4:3.5.7enterprise20071207-1ubuntu1~ppa~lure3
[16:01] <Lure> Riddell: hopefully without ~ppa~lure3 ;-)
[16:01] <Artemis_Fowl> thx. bb
[16:02] <Riddell> Lure: I thought the version number wasn't long enough so I kept that :)
[16:02] <Lure> Riddell: next time at least add ~riddell~was~here ;-)
[16:02] <Hobbsee> hahaa
[16:03] <Hobbsee> ~with~extra~long~pointy~stick~of~doom~flavoring
[16:44] <DaSkreech> Riddell: so far I've been through all the drivers for this chipset and they all freeze when I get a tooltip from the taskbar
[16:44] <DaSkreech> so it's not the driver
[16:44] <DaSkreech> I've only had one freeze not associated with a tooltip
[17:25] <DaSkreech> Hmm can the Konqueror media player play wav files?
[17:25] <jpatrick> installing libxine1-ffmpeg?
[17:29] <DaSkreech> jpatrick: no go
[17:30] <Riddell> "the Konqueror media player"?
[17:30] <Riddell> pretty much anything can play .wav files
[17:30] <DaSkreech> F9 -> Media player
[17:30] <DaSkreech> This can't
[17:30] <DaSkreech> it recognizes it as a media file
[17:30] <DaSkreech> (it doesn't throw a not a media file error) but doesn't make any attempt to play it
[17:31] <jpatrick> what kpart is it of?
[17:33] <morr> i guess amarok
[17:41] <DaSkreech> no
[17:42] <DaSkreech> Jsomething if I recall
[17:42] <DaSkreech> libarts1-mpeglib
[17:45] <CheGuevara> ping Riddell
[17:47] <Riddell> hi CheGuevara
[17:47] <CheGuevara> i finally catch you :P
[17:48] <CheGuevara> here's what i said yesterday
 fixes the ugly password dots
 to make them anti-aliased?
 and smaller
 no idea though what exactly changed the behaviour
 let me know if u want me to debug more
 also Riddell kde4 rc 2 packages seem to install KDE 4 .desktop entries to show in KDE 3
[17:48] <DaSkreech> Che!!
 don't know if thats intended though
[17:48] <CheGuevara> lol
[17:48] <CheGuevara> i am alive!
[17:48] <sebas> It is intended.
[17:49] <CheGuevara> oh right
[17:49] <CheGuevara> its just most of them don't show their icons
[17:49] <CheGuevara> so it looks fugly :P
[17:50] <sebas> Otherwise GTK apps wouldn't show up in the menu
[17:50] <Riddell> CheGuevara: so it goes back to being unable to draw the password circle character and falls back on the alternate character
[17:51] <Riddell> yes, it's intended to have KDE 4 apps in the normal menu, KDE 4 should integrate as well as anything
[17:53] <CheGuevara> Riddell: I am honestly not sure what happens exactly
[17:54] <CheGuevara> interesting question would be if its the new version of fontconfig that does it or the ubuntu patches
[17:57] <CheGuevara> looking at the change log the only relevant thing i can see is prefer "Standard Symbols L" as symbol font
[17:57] <CheGuevara> to fix #37745
[18:00] <CheGuevara> actually
[18:00] <CheGuevara> thats been there since Dapper :P
[18:04] <CheGuevara> but as I said Riddell I am not really sure which step to take next in getting to the bottom of this, so let me know
[18:07] <Riddell> I'm not sure either
[18:07] <Riddell> fontconfig is quite a mystery
[18:08] <CheGuevara> heh
[18:08] <CheGuevara> this will have to be fixed eventually though
[18:08] <CheGuevara> 'cause its a LTS release and this is a noticable reqgression
[18:08] <CheGuevara> another question would be does say GDM show the same issue
[18:09] <Riddell> let's not get too excited about LTS
[18:09] <Riddell> I doubt it does affect gtk or qt 4
[18:11] <CheGuevara> heh am not really, i like to use bleeding edge so LTS is no excitement for me :P
[18:11] <CheGuevara> i could file a bug against fontconfig and let them hanle it
[18:14] <CheGuevara> theres #174229
[18:14] <CheGuevara> not sure if its the same
[18:15] <Riddell> bug 174229
[18:15] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 174229 in fontconfig "[hardy] fonts smaller after update" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174229
[18:16] <CheGuevara> mentions QT, but it could just be that QT 3 apps font rendering is messed for ubuntu users
[18:17] <CheGuevara> if i can figure out how to make my system actually use kdm from kde4 then i could see if its there also
[18:18] <Riddell> I doubt there's anything special about kdm, use kdialog --password
[18:18] <CheGuevara> ah
[18:18] <CheGuevara> i didn't think of that :P
[18:20] <CheGuevara> let me just install the latest updates and i'll go into kde 4
[18:35] <yevgen> Is there any issues updating to Hardy Alpha with apt-get/aptitude?
[18:35] <yevgen> Or it is better to download and install it from ISO?
[18:56] <CheGuevara> right brb
[18:58] <CheGuevara> god xchat is ugly in kde 4 :P
[18:59] <CheGuevara> yep Riddell the password dots are nice and anti-aliased in KDE 4
[19:09] <Riddell> stdin: new kde4libs, kdepimlibs, kdebase-runtime, kdebase-kde4 and kdebase-workspace in hardy
[19:09] <Riddell> also kdeedu-kde4
[19:11] <CheGuevara> in kde4-meta now in hardy?
[19:11] <Riddell> not sure where it's gone
[19:13] <CheGuevara> yep its there
[19:13] <CheGuevara> there = universe
[19:14] <CheGuevara> though https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/hardy-changes/2007-December/002995.html says main :P
[19:15] <CheGuevara> and it don't work as well
[19:15] <CheGuevara> The following packages have unmet dependencies.
[19:15] <CheGuevara>   kde4: Depends: kde4-amusements (>= 1.0) but it is not going to be installed
[19:15] <CheGuevara> :P
[19:34] <stdin> Riddell: don't see a new -runtime and -workspace yet, I'm uploading the rest
[19:39] <Riddell> stdin: ok no new -runtime , -workspace I just reuploaded
[19:39] <Riddell> stdin: would you be able to upload them to your ppa as hardy as well?  I fear that universe is just too slow to build from
[19:40] <stdin> Riddell: I guess that should be simple :)
[19:43] <Riddell> stdin: kdegames-kde4 also up now
[19:43]  * stdin multi-tasks
[19:46] <bddebian> Hehya
[19:49] <ScottK> Hi there bddebian
[19:49] <bddebian> Heya ScottK
[19:51] <X2B> Hello everybody. I was here about a week ago because I had some problems concerning kmilo and surround systems. Does anyone remember me? I wrote a patch for kmilo applying to the kdeutils 3.5.8 package. If anyone is interested in it I would be happy to give it to you.
[19:54] <Riddell> X2B: what does the patch do?
[19:57] <X2B> WEll, it adds some lines so that the dcop call also applies to the rear speakers
[20:03] <CheGuevara> X2B: have you tried submiting it upstream?
[20:04] <X2B> Well, lets say that I don't know so much about how that stuff usually works... I would do whatever you want with it...
[20:08] <Riddell> CheGuevara: upstream isn't maintained and we fork it quite a bit
[20:08] <Riddell> X2B: sure, put the patch on a web server somewhere
[20:09] <X2B> And where is somewhere? I don't even know if that is a kde-devel oder kubuntu-devel issue
[20:17] <CheGuevara> oh right sorry Riddell
[20:18] <CheGuevara> X2B: DCC it to me and i'll upload it on my server if u want
[20:19] <bddebian> Wow, murderous dicatators now work on Ubuntu, nice :-)
[20:19] <ScottK> bddebian: ??
[20:20] <ScottK> Oh, him?  Never made it to actual dictator.
[20:20] <bddebian> ScottK: Che Guevara
[20:20] <ScottK> Only wanted to be.
[20:20] <CheGuevara> i prefer freedom fighter :P
[20:21] <CheGuevara> ok i don't think my router is liking this
[20:21] <CheGuevara> X2B: che_guevara_3@bk.ru
[20:22] <bddebian> So Hitler was a Freedom fighter? (Godwin's law in record time) :-)
[20:23] <CheGuevara> lol comparing Che and Hitler is like comparing Bill and Linus :P
[20:23] <bddebian> Ah right, Che only locked up the gays, not gassed/burned them eh?
[20:25] <ScottK> bddebian: It's totally different.  One was successful and one wasn't.
[20:25] <CheGuevara> bddebian, we're talking about 60s here
[20:26] <CheGuevara> may be you should remember what was happening to blacks in ur own country
[20:26] <CheGuevara> :P
[20:27] <bddebian> And that makes it right?
[20:27] <CheGuevara> no
[20:27] <CheGuevara> its times
[20:27] <CheGuevara> times change
[20:27] <CheGuevara> what wasn't right once is right now
[20:27] <CheGuevara> for better or for worse
[20:28] <ScottK> Yes, but not really relevant to this case.
[20:28] <bddebian> I don't see too many people "hero worshipping" many KKK leaders
[20:28] <ScottK> IMO, Che was wrong then fighting to move things from bad to worse, but probably enough about that.
[20:28] <CheGuevara> neither is comparing a socialist revolutionary with a nazi
[20:29] <Tm_T> hmmm
[20:29] <Tm_T> CheGuevara: thanks for hilighting
[20:29] <CheGuevara> hmm?
[20:30] <Tm_T> "nazi" is in my hilight list ;)
[20:30] <CheGuevara> lol
[20:30] <stdin> yeah, and mine :p
[20:31] <CheGuevara> X2B: ur patch just arrived
[20:31] <Tm_T> that reminds me, I'm sort of collecting old DDR stuff :p
[20:33] <CheGuevara> Riddell or anyone else http://tvu.org.ru/kmilo.patch
[20:38] <ScottK> CheGuevara: Che wasn't a socialist, he was a dedicated Communist and the practical distinction between that and the other group I won't say because so many people highlight on the word is really just a matter of detail.
[20:41] <Riddell> CheGuevara: that's X2B's patch?
[20:41] <CheGuevara> true, he's a marxist
[20:41] <CheGuevara> Riddell, aye
[20:42] <CheGuevara> too bad communism is not possible in the corrent world though :P
[20:42] <CheGuevara> *current
[20:42] <stdin> Riddell: I still don't see a new -runtime, still on -1ubuntu3
[20:45] <Riddell> X2B: does this work with 2 speaker systems?
[20:45] <Riddell> stdin: no new -runtime
[20:45] <stdin> Riddell: ah, thought you said there was a new one along with -workspace
[20:47] <Riddell> stdin: I did, but I was wrong :)
[20:48] <stdin> heh, ok :) it's a good job you don't get build failure messages from ppa, because you'd be about to get a flood
[20:49] <Riddell> stdin: why?
[20:50] <stdin> just because I forgot to change one of the build-deps to use backport release
[20:50] <_StefanS_> hi..
[20:51] <_StefanS_> anyone tried that konqueror looses its association with folders ?
[20:51] <stdin> "libsoprano-dev (>= 1.98.0~rc1-1)" and it has 1.98.0~rc1-1~gutsy1~ppa1
[20:51] <_StefanS_> and I'm kinda lost at restoring it.. dpkg-reconfigure doesnt do it..
[20:52] <_StefanS_> thats on gutsy after upgrading from feisty
[20:55] <_StefanS_> really odd..
[20:56] <stdin> shouldn't dolphin be associated with directories when you upgrade > gutsy?
[20:59] <_StefanS_> well yes, but I removed it, and konqueror takes over
[20:59] <_StefanS_> it works fine on my 4 machines
[20:59] <_StefanS_> stdin: however this is a friends machine, and I dont know what  he did
[20:59] <stdin> try setting it manually, from konqueror's settings
[20:59] <stdin> !dolphin
[20:59] <ubotu> Dolphin, or more properly D3lphin, is the new default file manager for Kubuntu 7.10 Gutsy Gibbon. If you would like to make Konqueror your default file manager again, go to Konqueror - Settings menu - Configure Konqueror - File Associations and change the association for inode/directory and inode/system_directory to Konqueror at the top rather than Dolphin.
[20:59] <stdin> using those instructions it should work
[21:00] <_StefanS_> ah cool
[21:00] <_StefanS_> thanks
[21:03] <_StefanS_> stdin: somehow k3b had taken over all those associations.. dont ask me how ;)
[21:03] <stdin> well, that's not right :p
[21:06] <_StefanS_> stdin: well I wont break my head with it ;) - it works now
[21:09] <allee> Lure: about kdepim: add event to calendar.  RMB and 'sent icalender'.  When you look at the e-mail in kmail start/end time are both 1 hour off  (that's my GMT offset).  I consider this a bug. At least I've don't added event times as UTC in korganizer
[21:11] <Lure> allee: that really looks strange...
[21:12] <Lure> allee: best to ask people in #kontact
[21:12] <allee> Lure: I'll try your latest pkg before going to #kontact ...
[21:13] <Lure> allee: I just reproduced with latest package
[21:13] <Lure> ;-)
[21:13] <allee> k
[22:06] <asc> hello :)
[22:07] <CheGuevara> hi
[22:09] <asc> ee. i forgot that i am not ubuntu user, becouse i have debian sid installed now :D but maybe it will be useful for me to come in Developer meeting at wednesday?
[22:11] <stdin> it's not a developer meeting as such, but you're welcome to join us :)
[22:11] <Tm_T> sure
[22:11] <asc> ok, thanks :)
[22:11] <asc> i thinks bug catching and packaging is interesting :)
[22:11] <asc> bye!
[22:11] <jpatrick> asc: later
[22:33] <TheFluffyOne> I've raised a bug for a small issue with System Settings on Gutsy (https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/175383) -- would anyone be kind enough to verify I'm not just being an idiot? :)
[22:33] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 175383 in kde-systemsettings "System Settings app doesn't honour icon launch settings" [Undecided,New]
[22:39] <stdin> TheFluffyOne: this has always been, I'm not 100% sure it's a bug but I guess I can confirm the behaviour
[22:56] <TheFluffyOne> stdin: Thanks. It's different behaviour to the rest of the KDE interface IMO so I'd class it as a bug, but I guess that's a matter of opinion :)
[22:57] <stdin> it's just that it's always been that way, so I'm not sure. but that behaviour is definitely there
[23:00] <TheFluffyOne> Understood. We'll see what response I get to the bug, if any :)